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thoughts on edition numbers, by slinkink on Mar 2, 2007 14:36:00 GMT 1, hi
firstly apologies for posting this on here after i posted the same question in the micallef forum but i need some advice fairly quickly and it is so very quiet over there a lot of the time lol
just wondered what everyone thinks about how much low edition numbers (say 1-3/95) affect the prices they are happy to pay for prints. i am aware they are 'nicer' to have but how does that translate into how much more you would be willing to pay for a piece. any help and advice gratefully accepted.
thanks!!
hi
firstly apologies for posting this on here after i posted the same question in the micallef forum but i need some advice fairly quickly and it is so very quiet over there a lot of the time lol
just wondered what everyone thinks about how much low edition numbers (say 1-3/95) affect the prices they are happy to pay for prints. i am aware they are 'nicer' to have but how does that translate into how much more you would be willing to pay for a piece. any help and advice gratefully accepted.
thanks!!
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thoughts on edition numbers, by mcmcmc on Mar 2, 2007 14:36:45 GMT 1, Not for me they wouldn't!
Not for me they wouldn't!
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thoughts on edition numbers, by slowmo on Mar 2, 2007 14:41:29 GMT 1, If the run is a real print run, lower numbers are more valuable as they are the first to be made, the plates wear etc on reproductions so slowly throught the edition you will lose an element of quality.
In the case of POW they mean absolutely nothing as they are just numbered to show it is an edition. If you are thinking of the eyestorm Micallefs, check with eyestorm that there were only 95 made (no back ups for damage in transit like POW). If so lower editions are marginally more valuable.
If the run is a real print run, lower numbers are more valuable as they are the first to be made, the plates wear etc on reproductions so slowly throught the edition you will lose an element of quality.
In the case of POW they mean absolutely nothing as they are just numbered to show it is an edition. If you are thinking of the eyestorm Micallefs, check with eyestorm that there were only 95 made (no back ups for damage in transit like POW). If so lower editions are marginally more valuable.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by romanywg on Mar 2, 2007 14:43:18 GMT 1, Has no affect with me. I have a number 1 of an edition and that is probably worth a tad more as the artist usually hangs onto those but I don't know about other numbers.
Has no affect with me. I have a number 1 of an edition and that is probably worth a tad more as the artist usually hangs onto those but I don't know about other numbers.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by saltandiron on Mar 2, 2007 14:51:57 GMT 1, Wouldn't make any difference to me. I suppose I'd prefer a really low number but I wouldn't pay any extra for it.
Wouldn't make any difference to me. I suppose I'd prefer a really low number but I wouldn't pay any extra for it.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by monochrome on Mar 2, 2007 14:54:12 GMT 1, hi firstly apologies for posting this on here after i posted the same question in the micallef forum but i need some advice fairly quickly and it is so very quiet over there a lot of the time lol just wondered what everyone thinks about how much low edition numbers (say 1-3/95) affect the prices they are happy to pay for prints. i am aware they are 'nicer' to have but how does that translate into how much more you would be willing to pay for a piece. any help and advice gratefully accepted. thanks!!
why would it affect the price of the print?
it doesn't mean they were printed in that particular order. you tend to number prints after they have dried etc. not midway through the process
it means nothing and should not mean the piece is worth anymore, however....... the Pokemon collectors on here may disagree
hi firstly apologies for posting this on here after i posted the same question in the micallef forum but i need some advice fairly quickly and it is so very quiet over there a lot of the time lol just wondered what everyone thinks about how much low edition numbers (say 1-3/95) affect the prices they are happy to pay for prints. i am aware they are 'nicer' to have but how does that translate into how much more you would be willing to pay for a piece. any help and advice gratefully accepted. thanks!! why would it affect the price of the print? it doesn't mean they were printed in that particular order. you tend to number prints after they have dried etc. not midway through the process it means nothing and should not mean the piece is worth anymore, however....... the Pokemon collectors on here may disagree |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by Curley on Mar 2, 2007 14:59:46 GMT 1, If the run is a real print run, lower numbers are more valuable as they are the first to be made, the plates wear etc on reproductions so slowly throught the edition you will lose an element of quality.
Who's to say they are numbered in the order they are printed ?
If the run is a real print run, lower numbers are more valuable as they are the first to be made, the plates wear etc on reproductions so slowly throught the edition you will lose an element of quality. Who's to say they are numbered in the order they are printed ? |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by monochrome on Mar 2, 2007 15:05:53 GMT 1, plates wear? ?
maybe on a 10,000 print run, not on limited runs using standard inks.
plates wear? ? maybe on a 10,000 print run, not on limited runs using standard inks. |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by pezlow on Mar 2, 2007 15:09:02 GMT 1, Numbers don't bother me at all. I think there may be some wear on drypoint etchings but not for any other type of printing process, although I am not an expert.
Numbers don't bother me at all. I think there may be some wear on drypoint etchings but not for any other type of printing process, although I am not an expert.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by slowmo on Mar 2, 2007 15:10:20 GMT 1, Used to be pretty standard on prints of fine art, the plates would wear down and images were not as good, so lower numbers were worth more to collectors.
They don't seem to apply to the modern stuff as there are more spares hanging around and they are often numbered as they are sold. Also the methods have changed, A giclee for example could go on forever.
Used to be pretty standard on prints of fine art, the plates would wear down and images were not as good, so lower numbers were worth more to collectors.
They don't seem to apply to the modern stuff as there are more spares hanging around and they are often numbered as they are sold. Also the methods have changed, A giclee for example could go on forever.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by monochrome on Mar 2, 2007 17:04:13 GMT 1, Used to be pretty standard on prints of fine art, the plates would wear down and images were not as good, so lower numbers were worth more to collectors. They don't seem to apply to the modern stuff as there are more spares hanging around and they are often numbered as they are sold. Also the methods have changed, A giclee for example could go on forever.
other than ebay though, i've never seen a professional gallery or auction house list an item with the words 'low number' against it.
it's purely a Pokemon reaction
Used to be pretty standard on prints of fine art, the plates would wear down and images were not as good, so lower numbers were worth more to collectors. They don't seem to apply to the modern stuff as there are more spares hanging around and they are often numbered as they are sold. Also the methods have changed, A giclee for example could go on forever. other than ebay though, i've never seen a professional gallery or auction house list an item with the words 'low number' against it. it's purely a Pokemon reaction |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by RBK on Mar 2, 2007 17:15:02 GMT 1, Generally first and last number in a given edition can command a bit more. Some people like numbers that end in 0 or 5. And some people just like having the same edition number through their various pieces.
Generally first and last number in a given edition can command a bit more. Some people like numbers that end in 0 or 5. And some people just like having the same edition number through their various pieces.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by slowmo on Mar 2, 2007 17:24:01 GMT 1, Fair enough
Fair enough
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thoughts on edition numbers, by irf2112 on Mar 2, 2007 17:47:53 GMT 1, Things that count for me - Whether its an AP etc
Things that count for me - Whether its an AP etc
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thoughts on edition numbers, by corblimeylimey on Mar 2, 2007 17:52:11 GMT 1, It's only worth paying more for an AP IMHO
It's only worth paying more for an AP IMHO
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thoughts on edition numbers, by romanywg on Mar 2, 2007 18:00:49 GMT 1, Why AP's?
Why AP's?
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thoughts on edition numbers, by numusic on Mar 2, 2007 18:10:22 GMT 1, Used to be pretty standard on prints of fine art, the plates would wear down and images were not as good, so lower numbers were worth more to collectors. They don't seem to apply to the modern stuff as there are more spares hanging around and they are often numbered as they are sold. Also the methods have changed, A giclee for example could go on forever.
Yep, it's a hangover from the 19th and early 20th century of stone lithos and such.. you'd have to wash and scrub the stone or plate between prints, plus general wear and tear from the pressure being applied.. so early numbers had a better definition and thus were more valuable.
It's just skanky dealers and agents trying to cling onto some extra dollar, and the argument about it being a customer preference is tosh, same as the theory that the customer desires perfect shiny toxic fruit and veg pushed by supermarkets as opposed to odd shaped and organic. It's the customer.. yeah right.
Used to be pretty standard on prints of fine art, the plates would wear down and images were not as good, so lower numbers were worth more to collectors. They don't seem to apply to the modern stuff as there are more spares hanging around and they are often numbered as they are sold. Also the methods have changed, A giclee for example could go on forever. Yep, it's a hangover from the 19th and early 20th century of stone lithos and such.. you'd have to wash and scrub the stone or plate between prints, plus general wear and tear from the pressure being applied.. so early numbers had a better definition and thus were more valuable. It's just skanky dealers and agents trying to cling onto some extra dollar, and the argument about it being a customer preference is tosh, same as the theory that the customer desires perfect shiny toxic fruit and veg pushed by supermarkets as opposed to odd shaped and organic. It's the customer.. yeah right. |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by numusic on Mar 2, 2007 18:15:29 GMT 1, It's only worth paying more for an AP IMHO
AP's are generally not viewed as more valuable in fine art print land. Better to have a unique number from the actual edition than a random AP. It's quite a new phenomenon that AP's have been numbered and seen as more desirable.
It's only worth paying more for an AP IMHO AP's are generally not viewed as more valuable in fine art print land. Better to have a unique number from the actual edition than a random AP. It's quite a new phenomenon that AP's have been numbered and seen as more desirable. |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by corblimeylimey on Mar 2, 2007 18:25:36 GMT 1,
Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery.
Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery. |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by monochrome on Mar 2, 2007 18:39:54 GMT 1, i always try to get print number 69
because basically i'm 13 and it makes me laugh
i always try to get print number 69
because basically i'm 13 and it makes me laugh
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thoughts on edition numbers, by tomhills1 on Mar 2, 2007 18:53:34 GMT 1, Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery.
definetly a more recent trend, in photography they're actually worth a lot less than the actual edition though not quite rejects. with banksy in particular the Ap's tend to incorporate different colours or the colours used in opposing areas to the main edition. also i don't think you're allowed to exceed 30 Ap's on any edition, no idea why. or sell 30 anyway.
Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery. definetly a more recent trend, in photography they're actually worth a lot less than the actual edition though not quite rejects. with banksy in particular the Ap's tend to incorporate different colours or the colours used in opposing areas to the main edition. also i don't think you're allowed to exceed 30 Ap's on any edition, no idea why. or sell 30 anyway. |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by corblimeylimey on Mar 2, 2007 19:06:03 GMT 1, Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery. definetly a more recent trend, in photography they're actually worth a lot less than the actual edition though not quite rejects. with banksy in particular the Ap's tend to incorporate different colours or the colours used in opposing areas to the main edition. also i don't think you're allowed to exceed 30 Ap's on any edition, no idea why. or sell 30 anyway.
APs are limited, not sure of the exact rules, I think there can be as many as 10% of the run.
Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery. definetly a more recent trend, in photography they're actually worth a lot less than the actual edition though not quite rejects. with banksy in particular the Ap's tend to incorporate different colours or the colours used in opposing areas to the main edition. also i don't think you're allowed to exceed 30 Ap's on any edition, no idea why. or sell 30 anyway. APs are limited, not sure of the exact rules, I think there can be as many as 10% of the run. |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by numusic on Mar 2, 2007 20:02:39 GMT 1, Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery. definetly a more recent trend, in photography they're actually worth a lot less than the actual edition though not quite rejects. with banksy in particular the Ap's tend to incorporate different colours or the colours used in opposing areas to the main edition. also i don't think you're allowed to exceed 30 Ap's on any edition, no idea why. or sell 30 anyway.
really ? 30.. probably why Banksy did 31 of Bomb Middle England (i think) ;D
Ap's are more valuable as they represent a small fraction of the print run, and usually are kept by the artist or other people closely associated like their dealer or printer. The rule of thumb is they would be worth 10-20% more than the standard run, at least that's what I've been told by the eyestorm gallery. definetly a more recent trend, in photography they're actually worth a lot less than the actual edition though not quite rejects. with banksy in particular the Ap's tend to incorporate different colours or the colours used in opposing areas to the main edition. also i don't think you're allowed to exceed 30 Ap's on any edition, no idea why. or sell 30 anyway. really ? 30.. probably why Banksy did 31 of Bomb Middle England (i think) ;D |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by slinkink on Mar 2, 2007 22:05:09 GMT 1, just wanted to say thanks so much for your opinions people. am so glad i joined these forums. a fantastic resource and a great community... reading the posts here has been so helpful to me as a newcomer to collecting.
thank you
(now if anyone wants to jump over to the micallef forum and offer me a HFUNG my weekend would be even better!)
just wanted to say thanks so much for your opinions people. am so glad i joined these forums. a fantastic resource and a great community... reading the posts here has been so helpful to me as a newcomer to collecting.
thank you
(now if anyone wants to jump over to the micallef forum and offer me a HFUNG my weekend would be even better!)
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thoughts on edition numbers, by romanywg on Mar 2, 2007 22:24:49 GMT 1, I remember when I was a kid and I would see 49/100 or whatever, I used to think it was the marks out of a hundred!
Could do better.
I remember when I was a kid and I would see 49/100 or whatever, I used to think it was the marks out of a hundred!
Could do better.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by numusic on Mar 2, 2007 22:28:07 GMT 1, I remember when I was a kid and I would see 49/100 or whatever, I used to think it was the marks out of a hundred! Could do better.
LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D classic ! Higher the number better the print.. I like it !
I remember when I was a kid and I would see 49/100 or whatever, I used to think it was the marks out of a hundred! Could do better. LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D classic ! Higher the number better the print.. I like it ! |
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thoughts on edition numbers, by tomhills1 on Mar 3, 2007 0:41:53 GMT 1, please help me out here: i bought my grin reaper off a chap who had an AP of the kate moss print. now i understand that there were 12 of these, each one had a different arrangement of the various colours thus making each a one off? the edition of 50 that comprised the kate print are now being offered at £35,000 on both ebay and @andipa gallery. my question is, based on the formula for valuing AP's, what price, essentially, a one off kate AP?
cheers.
please help me out here: i bought my grin reaper off a chap who had an AP of the kate moss print. now i understand that there were 12 of these, each one had a different arrangement of the various colours thus making each a one off? the edition of 50 that comprised the kate print are now being offered at £35,000 on both ebay and @andipa gallery. my question is, based on the formula for valuing AP's, what price, essentially, a one off kate AP?
cheers.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by corblimeylimey on Mar 3, 2007 1:45:09 GMT 1, Throw the formula away for this one, I think the answer will be a lot, but maybe the £35000 you're talking about might not realise.
Throw the formula away for this one, I think the answer will be a lot, but maybe the £35000 you're talking about might not realise.
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thoughts on edition numbers, by tomhills1 on Mar 3, 2007 11:31:14 GMT 1, is it just an anomoly CBL because the main edition is so iconic and also very rare? it's wierd because i've seen the bloke's AP and although it is very nice indeed it doesn't quite have that instant impact you do with the original. yet in a sense it is totally unique and that must put a massive premium on it.
out of interest, if the two original ones sold for £35,000 how far off that would you expect the AP in question?
is it just an anomoly CBL because the main edition is so iconic and also very rare? it's wierd because i've seen the bloke's AP and although it is very nice indeed it doesn't quite have that instant impact you do with the original. yet in a sense it is totally unique and that must put a massive premium on it.
out of interest, if the two original ones sold for £35,000 how far off that would you expect the AP in question?
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thoughts on edition numbers, by corblimeylimey on Mar 3, 2007 11:38:29 GMT 1, I couldn't say I'd be in pure guess land.
Do you think they'll get £35,000? seems like too much to me, time will tell.
I couldn't say I'd be in pure guess land.
Do you think they'll get £35,000? seems like too much to me, time will tell.
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