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banksy street art shop, by gozgoz on Apr 23, 2008 0:08:24 GMT 1, yeah im loving a liittle bird's ever changing avatr
yeah im loving a liittle bird's ever changing avatr
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banksy street art shop, by alsbabar on Apr 23, 2008 0:10:41 GMT 1, felix let me make myself clear on this, I do not condone the removal of any streetpiece, i find it totally despicable act and the worst kind of vandalism to do so. I have and never will buy a street or even considered removing one myself, it saddens me today, when walking along Southbank, not to see the rat or the coke sniffing copper or the other pieces of art that have been buffed by the council (i did however see a space invader piece), so with that said, I am totally with you all on the sense of disgust these people profiteer from. However, i will not go ever lower then them to resort to mob mentality
Lord Roham isnt the first person to have his details made public, it was only the other day two others were regarding selling Nick Walker pieces on ebay. I just think while some want to name and shame, others want a discussion without resorting to such measures
felix let me make myself clear on this, I do not condone the removal of any streetpiece, i find it totally despicable act and the worst kind of vandalism to do so. I have and never will buy a street or even considered removing one myself, it saddens me today, when walking along Southbank, not to see the rat or the coke sniffing copper or the other pieces of art that have been buffed by the council (i did however see a space invader piece), so with that said, I am totally with you all on the sense of disgust these people profiteer from. However, i will not go ever lower then them to resort to mob mentality
Lord Roham isnt the first person to have his details made public, it was only the other day two others were regarding selling Nick Walker pieces on ebay. I just think while some want to name and shame, others want a discussion without resorting to such measures
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banksy street art shop, by spirit on Apr 23, 2008 0:18:31 GMT 1, Problem is Alsbaber - if everyone had your attitude, this guy would have free reign to steal every Banksy street piece in existence. What would you suggest should be done about it? I know you said earlier that Banksy's people could take it up with them but in a way Banksy is the last person that is affected by it. When Banksy puts up a piece - he puts it up for the people - in effect he is giving it to everybody - It's not him that suffers the loss, it's us.
Problem is Alsbaber - if everyone had your attitude, this guy would have free reign to steal every Banksy street piece in existence. What would you suggest should be done about it? I know you said earlier that Banksy's people could take it up with them but in a way Banksy is the last person that is affected by it. When Banksy puts up a piece - he puts it up for the people - in effect he is giving it to everybody - It's not him that suffers the loss, it's us.
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banksy street art shop, by alsbabar on Apr 23, 2008 0:26:21 GMT 1, spirit - that is one of the purposes of pestcontrol, so my suggestion would be to email holly@pestcontroloffice.com informing her of the culprits and let them deal with it.
spirit - that is one of the purposes of pestcontrol, so my suggestion would be to email holly@pestcontroloffice.com informing her of the culprits and let them deal with it.
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banksy street art shop, by felix on Apr 23, 2008 0:26:53 GMT 1, I do agree alsbabar and I think this comment summed it up
There's a difference between publishing the details of someone selling a print, and publishing the details of someone angle grinding every Banksy in London to fill their fat wallet. I absolutely disagree with the former, and absolutely agree with the latter.
Saying that though, Lord Roham only had his name put on this forum and no other details, which in hindsight is pretty harmless. At least POW are doing something to try and deter flippers, which is all good in my book, its like when you did something wrong at school and the teacher has to make an example of someone.
Anyway to sum up - this 'banksy street foundation' website in discussion is a complete sham and I hope it gets sorted out, and if 'the family' can help, then we should do all we can.
I do agree alsbabar and I think this comment summed it up There's a difference between publishing the details of someone selling a print, and publishing the details of someone angle grinding every Banksy in London to fill their fat wallet. I absolutely disagree with the former, and absolutely agree with the latter. Saying that though, Lord Roham only had his name put on this forum and no other details, which in hindsight is pretty harmless. At least POW are doing something to try and deter flippers, which is all good in my book, its like when you did something wrong at school and the teacher has to make an example of someone. Anyway to sum up - this 'banksy street foundation' website in discussion is a complete sham and I hope it gets sorted out, and if 'the family' can help, then we should do all we can. |
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banksy street art shop, by alsbabar on Apr 23, 2008 0:29:51 GMT 1, felix i do not disagree with your comments and again I am just as annoyed as the next person about removal of pieces and not just Banksy's!!
felix i do not disagree with your comments and again I am just as annoyed as the next person about removal of pieces and not just Banksy's!!
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banksy street art shop, by felix on Apr 23, 2008 0:30:55 GMT 1, felix i do not disagree with your comments and again I am just as annoyed as the next person about removal of pieces and not just Banksy's!!
Peace in the middle east
felix i do not disagree with your comments and again I am just as annoyed as the next person about removal of pieces and not just Banksy's!! Peace in the middle east |
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banksy street art shop, by Prescription Art on Apr 23, 2008 0:34:00 GMT 1, Haiste International has always attracted a fair amount of parliamentary attention with regards to large engineering contracts it won during the reign of Saddam Hussein
I just found a photo
Haiste International has always attracted a fair amount of parliamentary attention with regards to large engineering contracts it won during the reign of Saddam Hussein I just found a photo |
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banksy street art shop, by alsbabar on Apr 23, 2008 0:45:36 GMT 1, then job done i'd say
then job done i'd say
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banksy street art shop, by felix on Apr 23, 2008 0:53:04 GMT 1, 
No need for us to worry then
No need for us to worry then |
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 0:58:08 GMT 1, I think vandalism is an appropriate solution.
I think vandalism is an appropriate solution.
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 1:16:13 GMT 1, The morally right thing to do would be to just whitewash over all the 'under negotiation' pieces. Take everything out of circulation then.
The morally right thing to do would be to just whitewash over all the 'under negotiation' pieces. Take everything out of circulation then.
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banksy street art shop, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 1:20:41 GMT 1, ramraider, most of those pieces do not exist anymore, and are not for sale anyway, its another scam. As for whitewashing over any that do exist, crap idea.
ramraider, most of those pieces do not exist anymore, and are not for sale anyway, its another scam. As for whitewashing over any that do exist, crap idea.
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banksy street art shop, by felix on Apr 23, 2008 1:21:57 GMT 1, Sorry, I apologise and see that now.
I am very thankful that there are people like you on this forum to filter through the shit, its very reassuring and am grateful, as i'm sure many others are.
Sorry, I apologise and see that now.
I am very thankful that there are people like you on this forum to filter through the shit, its very reassuring and am grateful, as i'm sure many others are.
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 1:32:36 GMT 1, ramraider, most of those pieces do not exist anymore, and are not for sale anyway, its another scam. As for whitewashing over any that do exist, crap idea.
Why? Since when has preservation, especially by the authorities, ever been part of the whole philosophy of this thing?
Local councils 'protecting Banksy's art' is the worst thing that's ever happened to this scene IMHO.
ramraider, most of those pieces do not exist anymore, and are not for sale anyway, its another scam. As for whitewashing over any that do exist, crap idea. Why? Since when has preservation, especially by the authorities, ever been part of the whole philosophy of this thing? Local councils 'protecting Banksy's art' is the worst thing that's ever happened to this scene IMHO. |
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banksy street art shop, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 1:39:25 GMT 1, fair enough, imo pieces should be preserved, and your statement of whitewashing over existing pieces leaves no work on the street where it should be.
fair enough, imo pieces should be preserved, and your statement of whitewashing over existing pieces leaves no work on the street where it should be.
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banksy street art shop, by spirit on Apr 23, 2008 1:45:03 GMT 1, fair enough, imo pieces should be preserved, and your statement of whitewashing over existing pieces leaves no work on the street where it should be.
What he said.
fair enough, imo pieces should be preserved, and your statement of whitewashing over existing pieces leaves no work on the street where it should be. What he said. |
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 1:50:05 GMT 1, Clearly work isn't being 'left on the street where it should be', hence cowboys like Oliver Haiste and his cronies making big bucks.
Street art used to be disposable because it was anti-establishment and 'anti-social'. Now it NEEDS to be disposable to make it anti-commercial and un-exploitable.
Clearly work isn't being 'left on the street where it should be', hence cowboys like Oliver Haiste and his cronies making big bucks.
Street art used to be disposable because it was anti-establishment and 'anti-social'. Now it NEEDS to be disposable to make it anti-commercial and un-exploitable.
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banksy street art shop, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 1:53:29 GMT 1, you have lost me? in that case burn all your prints now!!
you have lost me? in that case burn all your prints now!!
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 1:56:34 GMT 1, I didn't rip my prints and canvases off any public walls, so that would be pointless.
Come on ronhill, think on.
I didn't rip my prints and canvases off any public walls, so that would be pointless.
Come on ronhill, think on.
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banksy street art shop, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 2:00:58 GMT 1, if you want to be anti establishment and anti commercial, why would you want to remove any work that was there and could be viewed for free?
think ramraider
if you want to be anti establishment and anti commercial, why would you want to remove any work that was there and could be viewed for free?
think ramraider
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 2:06:38 GMT 1, Because it's a reaction to the recent commercialisation and establishment-acceptance of the work. Preventing any of it being exploited further. Saving it from being commercialised by destroying it.
Is it really that difficult to understand?
Because it's a reaction to the recent commercialisation and establishment-acceptance of the work. Preventing any of it being exploited further. Saving it from being commercialised by destroying it.
Is it really that difficult to understand?
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banksy street art shop, by spirit on Apr 23, 2008 2:09:41 GMT 1, Because it's a reaction to the recent commercialisation and establishment-acceptance of the work. Preventing any of it being exploited further. Saving it from being commercialised by destroying it. Is it really that difficult to understand?
How long should a piece be left before it is destroyed do you think?. It seems if you follow your logic through to it's conclusion then the pieces should not be done in the first place at all for the same reason.
I couldn't disagree more with you I'm afraid.
Because it's a reaction to the recent commercialisation and establishment-acceptance of the work. Preventing any of it being exploited further. Saving it from being commercialised by destroying it. Is it really that difficult to understand? How long should a piece be left before it is destroyed do you think?. It seems if you follow your logic through to it's conclusion then the pieces should not be done in the first place at all for the same reason. I couldn't disagree more with you I'm afraid. |
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banksy street art shop, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 2:11:39 GMT 1, i really think your confusing the whole point of street art, in one hand your saying we should destroy whats left, thus making it unavailable for other people to view and enjoy. Which is what happens with people who own fine art collections.
i really think your confusing the whole point of street art, in one hand your saying we should destroy whats left, thus making it unavailable for other people to view and enjoy. Which is what happens with people who own fine art collections.
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 2:31:27 GMT 1, No I think, with all due respect, you're both confusing my point.
How on earth is the work being ripped off walls by fat, money-grabbing pricks to be sold on to wealthy collectors allowing it to be 'viewed and enjoyed by people'?
I agree, it's a difficult situation to determine. What you're saying is that, fine, let the people get to see it for a bit before it gets ripped off and sold on. That's the price we pay for public art perhaps.
What I'm saying is that there's an alternative solution. Perhaps the 'whitewashing' is a bit primal but I'm sure we could come up with something between us. The timescale? I don't know. No one can tell when the latest Banksy will be jacked from it's rightful place and end up in the grubby hands of a Haiste or whoever. Prevention maybe? What's the likelihood of that Newman Street piece getting lifted? Was that intentional to make it big - to stop it being lifted?
As far as I remember the 'point of street art' was never about profiting a crony of Saddam Hussein. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned...
No I think, with all due respect, you're both confusing my point.
How on earth is the work being ripped off walls by fat, money-grabbing pricks to be sold on to wealthy collectors allowing it to be 'viewed and enjoyed by people'?
I agree, it's a difficult situation to determine. What you're saying is that, fine, let the people get to see it for a bit before it gets ripped off and sold on. That's the price we pay for public art perhaps.
What I'm saying is that there's an alternative solution. Perhaps the 'whitewashing' is a bit primal but I'm sure we could come up with something between us. The timescale? I don't know. No one can tell when the latest Banksy will be jacked from it's rightful place and end up in the grubby hands of a Haiste or whoever. Prevention maybe? What's the likelihood of that Newman Street piece getting lifted? Was that intentional to make it big - to stop it being lifted?
As far as I remember the 'point of street art' was never about profiting a crony of Saddam Hussein. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned...
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banksy street art shop, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 2:38:47 GMT 1, I agree with your views, but not your view on removing anything thats left. Maybe pieces are becoming bigger to stop the scumbags from removing them for profit.
I agree with your views, but not your view on removing anything thats left. Maybe pieces are becoming bigger to stop the scumbags from removing them for profit.
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banksy street art shop, by ramraiders on Apr 23, 2008 2:46:34 GMT 1, Well most art used to have a short shelf-life anyway. Either the authorities would remove it or other artists would rag all over it. The recent mainstreaming of the scene means that it's now up for much longer.
I mean when was the last time a Banksy piece got bombed to fuck? Am I imagining things or wasn't there the case recently of council workers doing 'touch ups' on his stuff?
Would he be happy about that? Doesn't that just put it in perfect condition to get jacked by the money men at a later date?
Well most art used to have a short shelf-life anyway. Either the authorities would remove it or other artists would rag all over it. The recent mainstreaming of the scene means that it's now up for much longer.
I mean when was the last time a Banksy piece got bombed to fuck? Am I imagining things or wasn't there the case recently of council workers doing 'touch ups' on his stuff?
Would he be happy about that? Doesn't that just put it in perfect condition to get jacked by the money men at a later date?
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