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Top Secret?, by Daniel Silk on Dec 6, 2007 19:45:30 GMT 1, Before I start I just want to say that Im not talking about anyone in particular, its just a feeling I have built up over the last year or so
I guess many of you like me get the odd email or two from Galleries and Artists that sometimes have information in that they tell you they want to keep secret for the moment, and they ask you not to tell anyone and I never would tell anyone Its just not my style But! I have started to wonder that actually they might be deliberately telling me hoping that I would leak the information out to people As you know on these forums, loads of rumors fly around about things such as the Ghetto, or print release dates.
So, I was wondering if you think this goes on? Do Artists and Galleries sometimes try to leak information as a sort of PR? ;D
NOTE to Artists and Galleries - If you want me to leak information that you tell me is secret you will need to tell me thats what you want me to do ;D
Before I start I just want to say that Im not talking about anyone in particular, its just a feeling I have built up over the last year or so I guess many of you like me get the odd email or two from Galleries and Artists that sometimes have information in that they tell you they want to keep secret for the moment, and they ask you not to tell anyone and I never would tell anyone Its just not my style But! I have started to wonder that actually they might be deliberately telling me hoping that I would leak the information out to people As you know on these forums, loads of rumors fly around about things such as the Ghetto, or print release dates. So, I was wondering if you think this goes on? Do Artists and Galleries sometimes try to leak information as a sort of PR? ;D NOTE to Artists and Galleries - If you want me to leak information that you tell me is secret you will need to tell me thats what you want me to do ;D
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Top Secret?, by slowmo on Dec 6, 2007 19:50:14 GMT 1, I'm clearly far too insignificant! No one tells me anything ;D
I'm clearly far too insignificant! No one tells me anything ;D
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Nuno
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Top Secret?, by Nuno on Dec 6, 2007 19:53:03 GMT 1, Just wondering whether you could have squeezed a couple more smilies into that post?
Just wondering whether you could have squeezed a couple more smilies into that post?
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frank11
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Top Secret?, by frank11 on Dec 6, 2007 19:53:40 GMT 1, I'm clearly far too insignificant! No one tells me anything ;D
same here never had one of theese mystery pm,s
i am hurt
I'm clearly far too insignificant! No one tells me anything ;D same here never had one of theese mystery pm,s i am hurt
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bombshelter
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Top Secret?, by bombshelter on Dec 6, 2007 19:55:14 GMT 1, I hope thats not the case , Ive been told abit in the last month or so , and always told not to say no more . So i don't , if Ive been told this in the hope that I would leak the information out to people , its not work ;D
I hope thats not the case , Ive been told abit in the last month or so , and always told not to say no more . So i don't , if Ive been told this in the hope that I would leak the information out to people , its not work ;D
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Top Secret?, by buster on Dec 6, 2007 19:55:42 GMT 1, Before I start I just want to say that Im not talking about anyone in particular, its just a feeling I have built up over the last year or so I guess many of you like me get the odd email or two from Galleries and Artists that sometimes have information in that they tell you they want to keep secret for the moment, and they ask you not to tell anyone and I never would tell anyone Its just not my style But! I have started to wonder that actually they might be deliberately telling me hoping that I would leak the information out to people As you know on these forums, loads of rumors fly around about things such as the Ghetto, or print release dates. So, I was wondering if you think this goes on? Do Artists and Galleries sometimes try to leak information as a sort of PR? ;D NOTE to Artists and Galleries - If you want me to leak information that you tell me is secret you will need to tell me thats what you want me to do ;D Indeed they do, its generally to a trusted few who will spread the word through other trusted people, to allow fans to get pieces before the flippers pitch in with both feet, and as a system I think it works pretty well, its not always sucessfull, but it can help. Its similar to your comment on the Dolk thread where you mentioned you wanted to keep the dolk release quite for a while to allow fans to get some of the prints. It works for the galleries as they get a wee bit of cudos, it works for the fans to a certain extent, as if they get a heads up with a certain time and date, they can at least be waiting. How galleries choose who to tell is always interesting, alot of the time it goes on previous sales, ammount ( both physical and finacial) of sales and general interest, some times its just mates letting mates know. I really dont think the galleries are wanting you to leak ( ahem) info to the 10,000 members here, as there isnt any real problem for most print sales, they may be giving you a nod, for the forum thing. One way to see is leek the next 5 heads ups you get and if you never get another one again, then maybe they didnt want things leeked Or keep things as they are, where the fans still have some chance..... Just my thought on the subject.
Before I start I just want to say that Im not talking about anyone in particular, its just a feeling I have built up over the last year or so I guess many of you like me get the odd email or two from Galleries and Artists that sometimes have information in that they tell you they want to keep secret for the moment, and they ask you not to tell anyone and I never would tell anyone Its just not my style But! I have started to wonder that actually they might be deliberately telling me hoping that I would leak the information out to people As you know on these forums, loads of rumors fly around about things such as the Ghetto, or print release dates. So, I was wondering if you think this goes on? Do Artists and Galleries sometimes try to leak information as a sort of PR? ;D NOTE to Artists and Galleries - If you want me to leak information that you tell me is secret you will need to tell me thats what you want me to do ;D Indeed they do, its generally to a trusted few who will spread the word through other trusted people, to allow fans to get pieces before the flippers pitch in with both feet, and as a system I think it works pretty well, its not always sucessfull, but it can help. Its similar to your comment on the Dolk thread where you mentioned you wanted to keep the dolk release quite for a while to allow fans to get some of the prints. It works for the galleries as they get a wee bit of cudos, it works for the fans to a certain extent, as if they get a heads up with a certain time and date, they can at least be waiting. How galleries choose who to tell is always interesting, alot of the time it goes on previous sales, ammount ( both physical and finacial) of sales and general interest, some times its just mates letting mates know. I really dont think the galleries are wanting you to leak ( ahem) info to the 10,000 members here, as there isnt any real problem for most print sales, they may be giving you a nod, for the forum thing. One way to see is leek the next 5 heads ups you get and if you never get another one again, then maybe they didnt want things leeked Or keep things as they are, where the fans still have some chance..... Just my thought on the subject.
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Top Secret?, by stradled on Dec 6, 2007 20:00:30 GMT 1, There is no such thing as bad publicity, by you leaking it the galleries will be loving it.
I love a hyped release, makes the heart start pumping! Trolleys I nearly fainted, if my work collegeues had got in the way asking for a bit of help, I could have killed a man.
There is no such thing as bad publicity, by you leaking it the galleries will be loving it.
I love a hyped release, makes the heart start pumping! Trolleys I nearly fainted, if my work collegeues had got in the way asking for a bit of help, I could have killed a man.
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robinbanks
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Top Secret?, by robinbanks on Dec 6, 2007 20:01:17 GMT 1, POW haven't told you when the Ghetto shop is opening by any chance have they?
Pray tell - I won't tell a soul, honest
POW haven't told you when the Ghetto shop is opening by any chance have they? Pray tell - I won't tell a soul, honest
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Top Secret?, by arcam on Dec 6, 2007 20:05:27 GMT 1, I'm clearly far too insignificant! No one tells me anything ;D You and me both. ;D
I'm clearly far too insignificant! No one tells me anything ;D You and me both. ;D
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spirit
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Top Secret?, by spirit on Dec 6, 2007 20:09:45 GMT 1, I get emails from galleries telling me about releases but I don't think I've had any "don't tell anyone else" ones. From my experience, the more "secret" a release is, the more it gets flipped - See Ian Francis 2nd BMG release and Choe's Driving Home for examples...
IMO its best to either tell everyone or tell no-one. That way everyone gets a fair chance.
I get emails from galleries telling me about releases but I don't think I've had any "don't tell anyone else" ones. From my experience, the more "secret" a release is, the more it gets flipped - See Ian Francis 2nd BMG release and Choe's Driving Home for examples...
IMO its best to either tell everyone or tell no-one. That way everyone gets a fair chance.
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Top Secret?, by stuey09 on Dec 6, 2007 20:10:13 GMT 1, It's well known that a huge amount of info is passed on via pms and emails. For obvious reasons, this is a reasonable way of passing on significant information to genuine fans, which may ensure that a picture ends up on a wall rather than ebay.
It's well known that a huge amount of info is passed on via pms and emails. For obvious reasons, this is a reasonable way of passing on significant information to genuine fans, which may ensure that a picture ends up on a wall rather than ebay.
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Top Secret?, by gerry on Dec 6, 2007 20:10:51 GMT 1, I've been told that this is definitely going on, and to be honest, i'm seeing it all the time in my day job in the internet too, viral and buzz marketing is where it's at. Facebook may have just screwed up with their 'beacon' application, but they were going along the right lines.
Annoying though, cos i've now decided to start writing a blog on bristol graf, and am having to ask people each and every time if they mind me mentioning what's going on. Generally they say yes, but there have already been a couple of no's that have slightly surprised me, not relating to illegal street graf (which would be understandable) but just straight gallery shows. Fair enough though, their choice, but know i'm accidentally going to put my foot it in someday in an unwitting way.
I've been told that this is definitely going on, and to be honest, i'm seeing it all the time in my day job in the internet too, viral and buzz marketing is where it's at. Facebook may have just screwed up with their 'beacon' application, but they were going along the right lines.
Annoying though, cos i've now decided to start writing a blog on bristol graf, and am having to ask people each and every time if they mind me mentioning what's going on. Generally they say yes, but there have already been a couple of no's that have slightly surprised me, not relating to illegal street graf (which would be understandable) but just straight gallery shows. Fair enough though, their choice, but know i'm accidentally going to put my foot it in someday in an unwitting way.
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bombshelter
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Top Secret?, by bombshelter on Dec 6, 2007 20:13:12 GMT 1, It's well known that a huge amount of info is passed on via pms and emails. For obvious reasons, this is a reasonable way of passing on significant information to genuine fans, which may ensure that a picture ends up on a wall rather than ebay.
Wise Words stu Thats how i see it if i can pass that info on to true fans i will.
It's well known that a huge amount of info is passed on via pms and emails. For obvious reasons, this is a reasonable way of passing on significant information to genuine fans, which may ensure that a picture ends up on a wall rather than ebay. Wise Words stu Thats how i see it if i can pass that info on to true fans i will.
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Nuno
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Top Secret?, by Nuno on Dec 6, 2007 20:16:51 GMT 1, i just hope i get involved in this little knowledge loop at some stage! Can't afford to keep buying stuff off ebay second time out!
i just hope i get involved in this little knowledge loop at some stage! Can't afford to keep buying stuff off ebay second time out!
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Top Secret?, by buster on Dec 6, 2007 20:37:16 GMT 1, i just hope i get involved in this little knowledge loop at some stage! Can't afford to keep buying stuff off ebay second time out! There isnt a knowledge loop as such fran, if someone is told about a release, they will pass on the info to a friend who they know will also appreciate the heads up. I have been fairly unlucky with alot of info I havn't been given, but the folk I have passed it onto have been lucky ( generally). In the big scheme of things they make little difference, I have never had a POW heads up but managed to get the last 15 prints through POW ( admittedly it only got tricky with the 4 LA prints, but 15 sounds better).
i just hope i get involved in this little knowledge loop at some stage! Can't afford to keep buying stuff off ebay second time out! There isnt a knowledge loop as such fran, if someone is told about a release, they will pass on the info to a friend who they know will also appreciate the heads up. I have been fairly unlucky with alot of info I havn't been given, but the folk I have passed it onto have been lucky ( generally). In the big scheme of things they make little difference, I have never had a POW heads up but managed to get the last 15 prints through POW ( admittedly it only got tricky with the 4 LA prints, but 15 sounds better).
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Nuno
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Top Secret?, by Nuno on Dec 6, 2007 20:43:38 GMT 1, thje comment was made slightly tongue in cheek, i am aware that some people will get preferential treatment, its just the way the world is!
thje comment was made slightly tongue in cheek, i am aware that some people will get preferential treatment, its just the way the world is!
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Top Secret?, by stereoface on Dec 6, 2007 21:10:34 GMT 1, Huh, thats funny because I get emails from galleries asking me to let them know if Silky happens to mention anything about their gallery that I am supposed to keep secret. If so I am supposed to let them know.
Huh, thats funny because I get emails from galleries asking me to let them know if Silky happens to mention anything about their gallery that I am supposed to keep secret. If so I am supposed to let them know.
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Top Secret?, by danvnuk on Dec 6, 2007 21:33:02 GMT 1, I got an email annonymously saying that if Silky gets an email, I should say to him "Simon Le Bon weeps like an untuned violin" Then he should tell me the secret.
Then someone will approach me saying "Hollyoaks can not be compared to Tolstoy"
And then I'll pass it on to them.
I got an email annonymously saying that if Silky gets an email, I should say to him "Simon Le Bon weeps like an untuned violin" Then he should tell me the secret.
Then someone will approach me saying "Hollyoaks can not be compared to Tolstoy"
And then I'll pass it on to them.
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Top Secret?, by mocksy on Dec 6, 2007 21:47:31 GMT 1, I got an email today saying the POW shop is open at 9.30pm tonight so it gives most people around the world to get a fair shot at getting what they want. They said Banksy prints will be available next Wednesday and announcements will appear on site soon.
Dont know how genuine this is but i will be hovering over the ghetto shop with credit cards at the ready.
Hope Kelsey Brooks is available as i dont think i have a chance of getting a Banksy.
I got an email today saying the POW shop is open at 9.30pm tonight so it gives most people around the world to get a fair shot at getting what they want. They said Banksy prints will be available next Wednesday and announcements will appear on site soon.
Dont know how genuine this is but i will be hovering over the ghetto shop with credit cards at the ready.
Hope Kelsey Brooks is available as i dont think i have a chance of getting a Banksy.
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Top Secret?, by arcam on Dec 6, 2007 21:53:31 GMT 1, I got an email today saying the POW shop is open at 9.30pm tonight so it gives most people around the world to get a fair shot at getting what they want. They said Banksy prints will be available next Wednesday and announcements will appear on site soon. Dont know how genuine this is but i will be hovering over the ghetto shop with credit cards at the ready. Hope Kelsey Brooks is available as i dont think i have a chance of getting a Banksy. E-mail from POW?
I got an email today saying the POW shop is open at 9.30pm tonight so it gives most people around the world to get a fair shot at getting what they want. They said Banksy prints will be available next Wednesday and announcements will appear on site soon. Dont know how genuine this is but i will be hovering over the ghetto shop with credit cards at the ready. Hope Kelsey Brooks is available as i dont think i have a chance of getting a Banksy. E-mail from POW?
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Top Secret?, by giiiant on Dec 6, 2007 21:57:20 GMT 1, I got an email today saying the POW shop is open at 9.30pm tonight so it gives most people around the world to get a fair shot at getting what they want. They said Banksy prints will be available next Wednesday and announcements will appear on site soon. Dont know how genuine this is but i will be hovering over the ghetto shop with credit cards at the ready. Hope Kelsey Brooks is available as i dont think i have a chance of getting a Banksy.
This is either the best or worst first post in the world
Guess I'll find out at 9:30
I got an email today saying the POW shop is open at 9.30pm tonight so it gives most people around the world to get a fair shot at getting what they want. They said Banksy prints will be available next Wednesday and announcements will appear on site soon. Dont know how genuine this is but i will be hovering over the ghetto shop with credit cards at the ready. Hope Kelsey Brooks is available as i dont think i have a chance of getting a Banksy. This is either the best or worst first post in the world Guess I'll find out at 9:30
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funster
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Top Secret?, by funster on Dec 6, 2007 22:02:21 GMT 1, Silky mate you've told me zilch Whats worse is that you were maybe meant to be telling people!! ;D ;D Oh, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this as I'd been asked to keep it a secret, but Christmas Day is set for the 25th this year
Silky mate you've told me zilch Whats worse is that you were maybe meant to be telling people!! ;D ;D Oh, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this as I'd been asked to keep it a secret, but Christmas Day is set for the 25th this year
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Top Secret?, by mocksy on Dec 6, 2007 22:04:49 GMT 1, It wasn't from POW so dont know if this is genuine but you never know,
Hope so.
It wasn't from POW so dont know if this is genuine but you never know,
Hope so.
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Top Secret?, by ABC on Dec 6, 2007 22:08:19 GMT 1, As Stuey stated, most collectors get emails, PM, Calls etc etc when something is going to be released at a gallery, I also presume most get preview invites on the back of purchases made from the inviting galleries. As far as I'm concerned the procedure is kept like that for a good reason.
As Stuey stated, most collectors get emails, PM, Calls etc etc when something is going to be released at a gallery, I also presume most get preview invites on the back of purchases made from the inviting galleries. As far as I'm concerned the procedure is kept like that for a good reason.
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Top Secret?, by ABC on Dec 6, 2007 22:10:36 GMT 1, Silky mate you've told me zilch Whats worse is that you were maybe meant to be telling people!! ;D ;D Oh, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this as I'd been asked to keep it a secret, but Christmas Day is set for the 25th this year
Who told you about Christmas day being on the 25th? your so lucky to find out and share that with us.
Silky mate you've told me zilch Whats worse is that you were maybe meant to be telling people!! ;D ;D Oh, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this as I'd been asked to keep it a secret, but Christmas Day is set for the 25th this year Who told you about Christmas day being on the 25th? your so lucky to find out and share that with us.
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funster
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Top Secret?, by funster on Dec 6, 2007 22:12:29 GMT 1, Can't say, it was a secret from the secret people who do all the secret pm'ing
Can't say, it was a secret from the secret people who do all the secret pm'ing
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funster
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Top Secret?, by funster on Dec 6, 2007 22:14:32 GMT 1, As Stuey stated, most collectors get emails, PM, Calls etc etc when something is going to be released at a gallery, I also presume most get preview invites on the back of purchases made from the inviting galleries. As far as I'm concerned the procedure is kept like that for a good reason.
I see the reason and don't totally disagree with it, but it makes it fecking difficult when you're first trying to start a serious collection!
As Stuey stated, most collectors get emails, PM, Calls etc etc when something is going to be released at a gallery, I also presume most get preview invites on the back of purchases made from the inviting galleries. As far as I'm concerned the procedure is kept like that for a good reason. I see the reason and don't totally disagree with it, but it makes it fecking difficult when you're first trying to start a serious collection!
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Top Secret?, by giiiant on Dec 6, 2007 22:15:43 GMT 1, It wasn't from POW so dont know if this is genuine but you never know, Hope so.
Have a + anyway, welcome to the forum
It wasn't from POW so dont know if this is genuine but you never know, Hope so. Have a + anyway, welcome to the forum
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Top Secret?, by mocksy on Dec 6, 2007 22:17:57 GMT 1, Thanks G
Thanks G
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Nuno
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Top Secret?, by Nuno on Dec 6, 2007 22:34:24 GMT 1, is it too early to write this one off as a hoax?
is it too early to write this one off as a hoax?
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