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roll up roll up!!, by verbalkint on Oct 7, 2007 2:43:10 GMT 1, October 18th @ 2.12pm 300 - Signed B&W 500 - U/S B&W 150 - coloured Cheers Verbal. If I win I shall donate the diamond to 'global witness'. www.globalwitness.org/pages/en/conflict_diamonds.htmlvery admirable. however most diamonds that are OK by the standards of the kimberly process are sold through exchanges in Isreal. The Israili government makes billions in taxes from this, they spend vast sums of that money on killing innocent palestinians in a one size fits all camaign againsed what they see as terrorism. They go to palestinian homes and force them out, bulldoze their houses to the ground and send the owners to camps. The list of atrocities againsed the palestinian people is as bad as what has happened to alot of african people. The list of UN violations by isreal is greater than any other country in the world, and the vast majority of diamonds in this countries high streets are traded through israel So pardon me for saying this, but the kimberly process is a load of bollocks and its sole intention is to further cripple african economies so de beers can force those countries to sell their diamonds for next to nothing. That website gives a very zionistic, one sided veiw of the argument im afraid. The western world wants africa to destroy itself, its in their best intrests, then they can go and mine all the natural resources there, so much of which is untapped. AIDS is wiping them out, we do nothing, zimbabwe (an african country which was doing fantasticly well) gets a nob head ruler who ruins the country completely and gives it an inflation rate of 20,000%, we do nothing. We personally champion nelson mandellas release from prison (a terrorist) and force open elections and the result? an idiotic government who refuse to accept that AIDS even exists! We do nothing. A few african governments use some of the proceeds from their largest export to fund their army and we get up in arms about it. It is us that colonised africa in the first place, it is us that split lands up unfairly and set tribes up againsed each other. It is our fault that parts of africa are still at war after all these years. The only reason the kimberly process was put in place was so de beers and the isreali government could get richer, that is it. I can think of much much better causes to donate the money to but if you feel really strongly about it then i respect your decision. But try to find websites that give the other side of the argument. Most people in the diamond industry see the kimberly process as a load of bollocks, but its a good PR tool 'i only sell conflict free diamonds', that way you get more customers. My diamonds are conflict free, but only because they happen to be conflict free, i did not source them with that stipulation. It is not an argument i agree with and i am extremely well informed on the subject. But fair play if you think its a good cause EDIT. Just re read my post, im not againsed the end of apartheid, but the SA government are a bunch of tossers. I am not anti-semetic either, that is an allegation made about anyone who says that anything the israelis do is wrong 'oh you are as bad as hitler because you dont think we have the right to shoot palestinian children'. Anyway, polotics is a subject best not mentioned on an art forum, i just wanted to make the above clear.
October 18th @ 2.12pm 300 - Signed B&W 500 - U/S B&W 150 - coloured Cheers Verbal. If I win I shall donate the diamond to 'global witness'. www.globalwitness.org/pages/en/conflict_diamonds.htmlvery admirable. however most diamonds that are OK by the standards of the kimberly process are sold through exchanges in Isreal. The Israili government makes billions in taxes from this, they spend vast sums of that money on killing innocent palestinians in a one size fits all camaign againsed what they see as terrorism. They go to palestinian homes and force them out, bulldoze their houses to the ground and send the owners to camps. The list of atrocities againsed the palestinian people is as bad as what has happened to alot of african people. The list of UN violations by isreal is greater than any other country in the world, and the vast majority of diamonds in this countries high streets are traded through israel So pardon me for saying this, but the kimberly process is a load of bollocks and its sole intention is to further cripple african economies so de beers can force those countries to sell their diamonds for next to nothing. That website gives a very zionistic, one sided veiw of the argument im afraid. The western world wants africa to destroy itself, its in their best intrests, then they can go and mine all the natural resources there, so much of which is untapped. AIDS is wiping them out, we do nothing, zimbabwe (an african country which was doing fantasticly well) gets a nob head ruler who ruins the country completely and gives it an inflation rate of 20,000%, we do nothing. We personally champion nelson mandellas release from prison (a terrorist) and force open elections and the result? an idiotic government who refuse to accept that AIDS even exists! We do nothing. A few african governments use some of the proceeds from their largest export to fund their army and we get up in arms about it. It is us that colonised africa in the first place, it is us that split lands up unfairly and set tribes up againsed each other. It is our fault that parts of africa are still at war after all these years. The only reason the kimberly process was put in place was so de beers and the isreali government could get richer, that is it. I can think of much much better causes to donate the money to but if you feel really strongly about it then i respect your decision. But try to find websites that give the other side of the argument. Most people in the diamond industry see the kimberly process as a load of bollocks, but its a good PR tool 'i only sell conflict free diamonds', that way you get more customers. My diamonds are conflict free, but only because they happen to be conflict free, i did not source them with that stipulation. It is not an argument i agree with and i am extremely well informed on the subject. But fair play if you think its a good cause EDIT. Just re read my post, im not againsed the end of apartheid, but the SA government are a bunch of tossers. I am not anti-semetic either, that is an allegation made about anyone who says that anything the israelis do is wrong 'oh you are as bad as hitler because you dont think we have the right to shoot palestinian children'. Anyway, polotics is a subject best not mentioned on an art forum, i just wanted to make the above clear. |
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roll up roll up!!, by mcnuts on Oct 7, 2007 11:28:27 GMT 1, shouldnt u close the voting soon? just a thought as a number of ppl picked this week.
shouldnt u close the voting soon? just a thought as a number of ppl picked this week.
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roll up roll up!!, by romanywg on Oct 7, 2007 11:33:13 GMT 1, My guess would be 11.45am on 25th October. The unsigned edition will be of 1000, the signed of 300.
My guess would be 11.45am on 25th October. The unsigned edition will be of 1000, the signed of 300.
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roll up roll up!!, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 7, 2007 12:10:02 GMT 1, Verbals, as you know, very simply the Kimberley process is a way of trying to guarantee the buyer that their money will not be used to uphold a regime that commits crimes like genocide. Israel does have a very poor human rights record in relation to their treatment of the people of Palestine and organisations like global witness and amnesty international have been arguing that the Kimberly process at the moment is too 'weak' and needs to place tougher restrictions on respective governments for them to qualify. However in my mind this is a welcome reminder how important the Kimberley process is and how it should be supported and strengthened.
Also I don't think its fair to see the process as a creation of the west. Rather an international effort to stop big business from being able to support tyranny in countries in pursuit of profit.
Can you think of a better solution to try to prevent the horrors like that which happened in Sierra Leone?
Verbals, as you know, very simply the Kimberley process is a way of trying to guarantee the buyer that their money will not be used to uphold a regime that commits crimes like genocide. Israel does have a very poor human rights record in relation to their treatment of the people of Palestine and organisations like global witness and amnesty international have been arguing that the Kimberly process at the moment is too 'weak' and needs to place tougher restrictions on respective governments for them to qualify. However in my mind this is a welcome reminder how important the Kimberley process is and how it should be supported and strengthened.
Also I don't think its fair to see the process as a creation of the west. Rather an international effort to stop big business from being able to support tyranny in countries in pursuit of profit.
Can you think of a better solution to try to prevent the horrors like that which happened in Sierra Leone?
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roll up roll up!!, by stuey09 on Oct 7, 2007 12:26:59 GMT 1, I agree with your point FPR. Verbal, I was interested in your condemnation of the West in relation to the situation in Africa. Loads of caveats in your assertion. North Africa has always been expoited by Arabs, who were trading in slaves long before the European colonial nations. Also Islam was put upon North African nations way before the goons were trying to peddle Christianity over there. As for exploitation of minerals, Cuba and the USSR were trying to exploit Africa during the Cold War and you will find that China is currently partway through a huge investment programme in Africa. None of this for altruistic reasons, but quite simply to continue the exploitation of minerals. As for 'us' doing nothing to help some of these nations that isn't true. Military intervention in Sierra Leone has been extremely successful, but it is such a sensitive issue that deployment of post colonial troops into these nations is fraught with problems. As for sanctions, they have been tried and usually fail because other countries will supply and exploit the sanctions for their own trade gains. Millions of pounds in aid is handed out, but government and tribal corruption usually erodes the benefits of this financial help. The west isn't blameless, but the reasons for the situation in this beautiful continent stretches way beyond our governments.
I agree with your point FPR. Verbal, I was interested in your condemnation of the West in relation to the situation in Africa. Loads of caveats in your assertion. North Africa has always been expoited by Arabs, who were trading in slaves long before the European colonial nations. Also Islam was put upon North African nations way before the goons were trying to peddle Christianity over there. As for exploitation of minerals, Cuba and the USSR were trying to exploit Africa during the Cold War and you will find that China is currently partway through a huge investment programme in Africa. None of this for altruistic reasons, but quite simply to continue the exploitation of minerals. As for 'us' doing nothing to help some of these nations that isn't true. Military intervention in Sierra Leone has been extremely successful, but it is such a sensitive issue that deployment of post colonial troops into these nations is fraught with problems. As for sanctions, they have been tried and usually fail because other countries will supply and exploit the sanctions for their own trade gains. Millions of pounds in aid is handed out, but government and tribal corruption usually erodes the benefits of this financial help. The west isn't blameless, but the reasons for the situation in this beautiful continent stretches way beyond our governments.
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roll up roll up!!, by markrobbo on Oct 7, 2007 13:17:04 GMT 1, Wow! Great comp, good luck everyone. Here's my guess:-
22nd October @ 11am
300 Coloured (Signed)
150 Black & White (Signed)
600 Black & White (Un-Signed)
Wow! Great comp, good luck everyone. Here's my guess:-
22nd October @ 11am
300 Coloured (Signed)
150 Black & White (Signed)
600 Black & White (Un-Signed)
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roll up roll up!!, by Richard on Oct 7, 2007 13:27:42 GMT 1, Right: I'm going for...
Wednesday 24th at 1:10pm.
I reckon they will do 300 signed. 1000 unsigned.
Right: I'm going for...
Wednesday 24th at 1:10pm.
I reckon they will do 300 signed. 1000 unsigned.
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roll up roll up!!, by carlito on Oct 7, 2007 14:33:26 GMT 1, Verbal lad..did u get lucky on Thursday night?  of course i did. it was never in doubt really!
respectttttt good work fella 
Verbal lad..did u get lucky on Thursday night? of course i did. it was never in doubt really! respectttttt good work fella |
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roll up roll up!!, by raniator on Oct 8, 2007 10:10:41 GMT 1, Nice one!
Wednesday 17th, 3pm.
250 signed
500 unsigned
Nice one! Wednesday 17th, 3pm. 250 signed 500 unsigned |
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roll up roll up!!, by daddycool on Oct 8, 2007 15:46:20 GMT 1, nice one
28th 09:00am
300 Coloured (Signed)
150 Black & White (Signed)
600 Black & White (Un-Signed)
nice one
28th 09:00am
300 Coloured (Signed)
150 Black & White (Signed)
600 Black & White (Un-Signed)
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roll up roll up!!, by headphonesex on Oct 8, 2007 15:56:09 GMT 1, Why have so many people said that there will be somethng other than 500 unsigned?? Surely we've known the edition size will be 500 unsigned since the LA show??!!
Why have so many people said that there will be somethng other than 500 unsigned?? Surely we've known the edition size will be 500 unsigned since the LA show??!!
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roll up roll up!!, by wildbill on Oct 8, 2007 19:23:55 GMT 1, November 1st - 11:15 am UK time
November 1st - 11:15 am UK time
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roll up roll up!!, by wildbill on Oct 8, 2007 19:26:10 GMT 1, 150 signed
500 unsigned
and possibly 300 color signed
150 signed
500 unsigned
and possibly 300 color signed
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roll up roll up!!, by foreman on Oct 8, 2007 19:31:19 GMT 1, thursday oct 25th @ 2:45pm
150 signed b&w
500 unsigned
thursday oct 25th @ 2:45pm
150 signed b&w
500 unsigned
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roll up roll up!!, by verbalkint on Oct 8, 2007 23:42:32 GMT 1, Verbals, as you know, very simply the Kimberley process is a way of trying to guarantee the buyer that their money will not be used to uphold a regime that commits crimes like genocide. Israel does have a very poor human rights record in relation to their treatment of the people of Palestine and organisations like global witness and amnesty international have been arguing that the Kimberly process at the moment is too 'weak' and needs to place tougher restrictions on respective governments for them to qualify. However in my mind this is a welcome reminder how important the Kimberley process is and how it should be supported and strengthened. Also I don't think its fair to see the process as a creation of the west. Rather an international effort to stop big business from being able to support tyranny in countries in pursuit of profit. Can you think of a better solution to try to prevent the horrors like that which happened in Sierra Leone?
I just dont believe that if you take away diamond profits from a country, you take away their ability to commit genocide. Look at rwanda in 1994, knives and blades caused over a million deaths, you dont need huge funds to commit huge amounts of murder.
I agree to a certain degree what you are saying, but the other fact is that it is almost impossible to know where diamonds come from. If you took every diamond that has ever been cut in the whole world they would not fill up a double decker london bus. That is a fact. But that bus full of carbon would be worth hundreds of billions of pounds. You can smuggle a ridiculously small parcel of diamonds and it could be worth millions. How difficult is it to buy a few million pounds worth of so called conflict diamonds and put them with non conflict stones?
Diamonds do not need to be certificated, so there is no way of knowing where they come from. My supplier guarantees that their diamonds are conflict free, so i guarantee that mine are. My suppliers supplier guarantees that theirs are, but all it takes is one liar at the top of that chain and it all means nothing. My guarantees are based on other peoples guarantees. Other than ask, what else can i do? they are half way around the world.
The diamond industry is like the masons. You go out and try and find yourself a supplier. Its almost impossible. Its like an old boys club and the reason they are so secrative and selective about who they deal with is they know that its such a high profit industry, they dont want to let people in who might de value their product (like i do) Because its so difficult to get your foot in the door this makes it easier for sellers of conflict diamonds to get rid of them. In a way the industry creates the problems in the first place.
All i am saying matey, if you win why not sell the diamond and give it to a childrens hospice, or go to one and ask if there are any kids in there with no family and be their secret santa and make sure they have something to open on christmas morning. It will probably be their last one and you could make it special for them
Verbals, as you know, very simply the Kimberley process is a way of trying to guarantee the buyer that their money will not be used to uphold a regime that commits crimes like genocide. Israel does have a very poor human rights record in relation to their treatment of the people of Palestine and organisations like global witness and amnesty international have been arguing that the Kimberly process at the moment is too 'weak' and needs to place tougher restrictions on respective governments for them to qualify. However in my mind this is a welcome reminder how important the Kimberley process is and how it should be supported and strengthened. Also I don't think its fair to see the process as a creation of the west. Rather an international effort to stop big business from being able to support tyranny in countries in pursuit of profit. Can you think of a better solution to try to prevent the horrors like that which happened in Sierra Leone? I just dont believe that if you take away diamond profits from a country, you take away their ability to commit genocide. Look at rwanda in 1994, knives and blades caused over a million deaths, you dont need huge funds to commit huge amounts of murder. I agree to a certain degree what you are saying, but the other fact is that it is almost impossible to know where diamonds come from. If you took every diamond that has ever been cut in the whole world they would not fill up a double decker london bus. That is a fact. But that bus full of carbon would be worth hundreds of billions of pounds. You can smuggle a ridiculously small parcel of diamonds and it could be worth millions. How difficult is it to buy a few million pounds worth of so called conflict diamonds and put them with non conflict stones? Diamonds do not need to be certificated, so there is no way of knowing where they come from. My supplier guarantees that their diamonds are conflict free, so i guarantee that mine are. My suppliers supplier guarantees that theirs are, but all it takes is one liar at the top of that chain and it all means nothing. My guarantees are based on other peoples guarantees. Other than ask, what else can i do? they are half way around the world. The diamond industry is like the masons. You go out and try and find yourself a supplier. Its almost impossible. Its like an old boys club and the reason they are so secrative and selective about who they deal with is they know that its such a high profit industry, they dont want to let people in who might de value their product (like i do) Because its so difficult to get your foot in the door this makes it easier for sellers of conflict diamonds to get rid of them. In a way the industry creates the problems in the first place. All i am saying matey, if you win why not sell the diamond and give it to a childrens hospice, or go to one and ask if there are any kids in there with no family and be their secret santa and make sure they have something to open on christmas morning. It will probably be their last one and you could make it special for them |
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roll up roll up!!, by manty on Oct 9, 2007 0:00:19 GMT 1, Gosh, I am guessing I have to do a date and time and edition
umm ok, (and wish me luck, here goes)Tuesday 18th at 9.45 am with 150 signed
600 unsigned
when I win, I will donate the proceeds of the prize to a charity TBC (need to check with the wife) :-)
Gosh, I am guessing I have to do a date and time and edition
umm ok, (and wish me luck, here goes)Tuesday 18th at 9.45 am with 150 signed
600 unsigned
when I win, I will donate the proceeds of the prize to a charity TBC (need to check with the wife) :-)
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roll up roll up!!, by raniator on Oct 9, 2007 9:33:16 GMT 1, Why have so many people said that there will be somethng other than 500 unsigned?? Surely we've known the edition size will be 500 unsigned since the LA show??!!
True 
Why have so many people said that there will be somethng other than 500 unsigned?? Surely we've known the edition size will be 500 unsigned since the LA show??!! True |
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roll up roll up!!, by iloveart on Oct 10, 2007 13:34:39 GMT 1, Definitely 24th October at 12.30pm
Definitely 24th October at 12.30pm
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roll up roll up!!, by melmoth on Oct 10, 2007 16:28:54 GMT 1, October 31st, 10am GMT
150 signed B&W
150 color
500 unsigned B&W
October 31st, 10am GMT
150 signed B&W
150 color
500 unsigned B&W
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roll up roll up!!, by senna on Oct 10, 2007 17:42:41 GMT 1, 150 signed 500 unsigned and possibly 300 color signed
24th 12.15pm
150 signed 500 unsigned and possibly 300 color signed 24th 12.15pm |
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roll up roll up!!, by mcnuts on Oct 10, 2007 18:02:05 GMT 1, 150 signed 500 unsigned and possibly 300 color signed 24th 12.15pm
shouldnt bids on this be closed soon as a number of ppl picked this week and tomorrow ?
150 signed 500 unsigned and possibly 300 color signed 24th 12.15pm shouldnt bids on this be closed soon as a number of ppl picked this week and tomorrow ? |
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roll up roll up!!, by Daniel Silk on Oct 10, 2007 18:04:52 GMT 1, Yeah  This thread is now LOCKED
Yeah This thread is now LOCKED |
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This thread is now LOCKED
