Martin Whatson
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Martin Whatson on Aug 8, 2007 23:31:58 GMT 1, Got this from Stencilrevolution.
artichokeltd.bigcartel.com/
That is a link to the website of a guy that sells photos of streetart.
What an idiot.
The photos is even in an edition an signed and numbered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER.
Some fucking people.
Got this from Stencilrevolution. artichokeltd.bigcartel.com/That is a link to the website of a guy that sells photos of streetart. What an idiot. The photos is even in an edition an signed and numbered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER. Some fucking people. |
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Existencil
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Existencil on Aug 8, 2007 23:47:44 GMT 1, Wow.
Wow.
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by runningdog on Aug 8, 2007 23:50:41 GMT 1, Got this from Stencilrevolution. artichokeltd.bigcartel.com/That is a link to the website of a guy that sells photos of streetart. What an idiot. The photos is even in an edition an signed and numbered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER. Some f**king people.
Could you articulate what your problem is with this, exactly?
Got this from Stencilrevolution. artichokeltd.bigcartel.com/That is a link to the website of a guy that sells photos of streetart. What an idiot. The photos is even in an edition an signed and numbered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER. Some f**king people. Could you articulate what your problem is with this, exactly? |
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Martin Whatson
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Martin Whatson on Aug 9, 2007 0:06:18 GMT 1, I think its a bit strange that some people take photos of other artists work (also seems like there is BAD photos). Sell them of a website earning money on other peoples work AND sign it as his own without even give the original artist some credit for the piece.
How would you think of a guy selling Banksy, Neate or Micallef prints, just that it was a photocopy of the screenprint.
This is not photographic art, just a documentation of other artists work and he earn money on this.
That is my problem.
I think its a bit strange that some people take photos of other artists work (also seems like there is BAD photos). Sell them of a website earning money on other peoples work AND sign it as his own without even give the original artist some credit for the piece.
How would you think of a guy selling Banksy, Neate or Micallef prints, just that it was a photocopy of the screenprint.
This is not photographic art, just a documentation of other artists work and he earn money on this.
That is my problem.
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by ricosg11 on Aug 9, 2007 0:09:50 GMT 1, Not that I dont like it myself, but isnt that what stenciling is?
Not that I dont like it myself, but isnt that what stenciling is?
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by runningdog on Aug 9, 2007 3:19:51 GMT 1, Artists have been copying off each other forever, this isn't so different.
I can understand your problem if they're just shit photos, but there are a couple of Ebay sellers who do proper hand printed b&w stuff on Ilford paper, and go to a lot of trouble to find good pieces. It's better than taking part of the wall away with a big drill, isn't it?
Have a look at this guy's website, he just likes taking photos of graffiti and putting it in his magazine at cost/loss. www.verynearlyalmost.com
Artists have been copying off each other forever, this isn't so different. I can understand your problem if they're just shit photos, but there are a couple of Ebay sellers who do proper hand printed b&w stuff on Ilford paper, and go to a lot of trouble to find good pieces. It's better than taking part of the wall away with a big drill, isn't it? Have a look at this guy's website, he just likes taking photos of graffiti and putting it in his magazine at cost/loss. www.verynearlyalmost.com |
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goffy
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by goffy on Aug 9, 2007 3:26:40 GMT 1, If they were for a book I could see their worth. To sell as signed, limited edition photographic prints, they would have to be something special.
If they were for a book I could see their worth. To sell as signed, limited edition photographic prints, they would have to be something special.
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meatbag
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by meatbag on Aug 9, 2007 4:19:22 GMT 1, I know it goes on but it's still pretty lame IMO.
I know it goes on but it's still pretty lame IMO.
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Curley
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Curley on Aug 9, 2007 7:58:09 GMT 1, Got this from Stencilrevolution. artichokeltd.bigcartel.com/That is a link to the website of a guy that sells photos of streetart. What an idiot. The photos is even in an edition an signed and numbered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER. Some f**king people. Could you articulate what your problem is with this, exactly?
Theft of intellectual property and making money of some one else's talent are my first issues.
Got this from Stencilrevolution. artichokeltd.bigcartel.com/That is a link to the website of a guy that sells photos of streetart. What an idiot. The photos is even in an edition an signed and numbered BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER. Some f**king people. Could you articulate what your problem is with this, exactly? Theft of intellectual property and making money of some one else's talent are my first issues. |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by stillborncrisps on Aug 9, 2007 8:05:58 GMT 1, Theft of intellectual property and making money of some one else's talent are my first issues.
Isn't this what Banksy was doing when he admitting to bootlegging band posters (Blur being one of them) in the early 90s?
Theft of intellectual property and making money of some one else's talent are my first issues. Isn't this what Banksy was doing when he admitting to bootlegging band posters (Blur being one of them) in the early 90s? |
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Curley
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Curley on Aug 9, 2007 8:25:13 GMT 1, Theft of intellectual property and making money of some one else's talent are my first issues. Isn't this what Banksy was doing when he admitting to bootlegging band posters (Blur being one of them) in the early 90s?
But he did not set up a shop to sell on a mass scale which is what is going on here.
(im referring to the shop in Spitalfields Market)
i believe that he is copyrighting his images to put a stop to this.
i agree there are other photographers that do hand pulled Blk & white etc which are much more artistic but these are just plain copies of streetwork - zero talent involved just leeching of some one else's talent.
Theft of intellectual property and making money of some one else's talent are my first issues. Isn't this what Banksy was doing when he admitting to bootlegging band posters (Blur being one of them) in the early 90s? But he did not set up a shop to sell on a mass scale which is what is going on here. (im referring to the shop in Spitalfields Market) i believe that he is copyrighting his images to put a stop to this. i agree there are other photographers that do hand pulled Blk & white etc which are much more artistic but these are just plain copies of streetwork - zero talent involved just leeching of some one else's talent. |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by dave313perry on Aug 9, 2007 8:57:47 GMT 1, I dont have a problem with this, its a total different end of the market, its pays homage to the artwork, although i do believe its pretty lame at best and doesnt interest me personally!
I dont have a problem with this, its a total different end of the market, its pays homage to the artwork, although i do believe its pretty lame at best and doesnt interest me personally!
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by corblimeylimey on Aug 9, 2007 13:36:36 GMT 1, I've got no problem with Martin Bull (shellshock photo's & banksy guide book) doing this, check out his ebay listings...
stores.ebay.co.uk/shellshockphotos
but for artichokeltd.bigcartel.com to price them at ยฃ45+ and sell them as limited editions is pretty crap IMO
I've got no problem with Martin Bull (shellshock photo's & banksy guide book) doing this, check out his ebay listings... stores.ebay.co.uk/shellshockphotosbut for artichokeltd.bigcartel.com to price them at ยฃ45+ and sell them as limited editions is pretty crap IMO |
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moonstomp
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by moonstomp on Aug 9, 2007 13:45:32 GMT 1, Itโs a simple case of supply and demand, if there is no market for them itโll fold and if there is I think I might start selling limited edition sh1ts on sticks!
Itโs a simple case of supply and demand, if there is no market for them itโll fold and if there is I think I might start selling limited edition sh1ts on sticks!
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Curley
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Curley on Aug 10, 2007 12:36:47 GMT 1, This is the kind of thing i was referring to:-
This was one street away from the Warhol V Banksy exhibtion.
This is the kind of thing i was referring to:- This was one street away from the Warhol V Banksy exhibtion. |
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moonstomp
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by moonstomp on Aug 10, 2007 13:06:44 GMT 1, This is the kind of thing i was referring to:- This was one street away from the Warhol V Banksy exhibtion.
I wonder if he's selling that Eelus as "a Banksy"?
This is the kind of thing i was referring to:- This was one street away from the Warhol V Banksy exhibtion. I wonder if he's selling that Eelus as "a Banksy"? |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by corblimeylimey on Aug 10, 2007 13:22:54 GMT 1, I wonder if he's selling that Eelus as "a Banksy"?
That Eelus is in fact DOLK ;D
I wonder if he's selling that Eelus as "a Banksy"? That Eelus is in fact DOLK ;D |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by jonpud on Aug 10, 2007 13:52:07 GMT 1, This is the kind of thing i was referring to:- This was one street away from the Warhol V Banksy exhibtion.
Does anyone really have a problem with this street seller making a few quid for selling some photographs transferred to canvas?
I totally agree with whatson when he calls the bloke selling 'limited edition' photo's a prat, its the limited edition bit that makes it pathetic but this guy on the street who has taken photo's of 'public property' and is then selling them on, can't see a problem with it myself! Bet Banksy wouldn't either, if anything I bet he would be right behind him for making a living, the guy aint exactly driving a ferrari!!
And how can any artist copyright street art? It was done in the name of art and due to the locations used you would have to deem it a gift to the public, therefore let them use it as they see fit! If I wasn't lucky enough to own official Banksy works then perhaps I would be tempted to buy something like this? The true arseholes are those who buy art who don't give 2 fucks about it apart from lining their pockets with the hard earned of those who really do like it!!
Only an opinion!! 
This is the kind of thing i was referring to:- This was one street away from the Warhol V Banksy exhibtion. Does anyone really have a problem with this street seller making a few quid for selling some photographs transferred to canvas? I totally agree with whatson when he calls the bloke selling 'limited edition' photo's a prat, its the limited edition bit that makes it pathetic but this guy on the street who has taken photo's of 'public property' and is then selling them on, can't see a problem with it myself! Bet Banksy wouldn't either, if anything I bet he would be right behind him for making a living, the guy aint exactly driving a ferrari!! And how can any artist copyright street art? It was done in the name of art and due to the locations used you would have to deem it a gift to the public, therefore let them use it as they see fit! If I wasn't lucky enough to own official Banksy works then perhaps I would be tempted to buy something like this? The true arseholes are those who buy art who don't give 2 fucks about it apart from lining their pockets with the hard earned of those who really do like it!! Only an opinion!! |
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moonstomp
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by moonstomp on Aug 10, 2007 13:55:55 GMT 1, I wonder if he's selling that Eelus as "a Banksy"? That Eelus is in fact DOLK ;D
I bow down to your superior knowledge 
I wonder if he's selling that Eelus as "a Banksy"? That Eelus is in fact DOLK ;D I bow down to your superior knowledge |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by Daniel Silk on Aug 10, 2007 13:57:54 GMT 1, I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition 
I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by jonpud on Aug 10, 2007 14:04:55 GMT 1, I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition
Spot on sir!! 
I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition Spot on sir!! |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by corblimeylimey on Aug 10, 2007 14:05:13 GMT 1, I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition
Yeah, like Martin stores.ebay.co.uk/shellshockphotos
jonpud, I'm sure you're right about the copyright issues, it's like any photo taken in a public space, you don't need the permission (or signed release) of any person in the photograph to publish it, and the photographer will then own the copyright on the photograph.
I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition Yeah, like Martin stores.ebay.co.uk/shellshockphotosjonpud, I'm sure you're right about the copyright issues, it's like any photo taken in a public space, you don't need the permission (or signed release) of any person in the photograph to publish it, and the photographer will then own the copyright on the photograph. |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by jonpud on Aug 10, 2007 14:17:17 GMT 1, At least anyone buying one of these would be buying it because they liked it, not because it might be worth a few quid in a couple of years!
On the copyright issue, if Banksy did copyright the flower thrower image from his prints/canvas work then surely this would cover the same images painted in public places, then taking photo's and selling on would become an indirect breach of the copyright?!
Hmmm my brain hurts!!
At least anyone buying one of these would be buying it because they liked it, not because it might be worth a few quid in a couple of years!
On the copyright issue, if Banksy did copyright the flower thrower image from his prints/canvas work then surely this would cover the same images painted in public places, then taking photo's and selling on would become an indirect breach of the copyright?!
Hmmm my brain hurts!!
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marshman
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by marshman on Aug 10, 2007 14:25:25 GMT 1, I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition Yeah, like Martin stores.ebay.co.uk/shellshockphotosjonpud, I'm sure you're right about the copyright issues, it's like any photo taken in a public space, you don't need the permission (or signed release) of any person in the photograph to publish it, and the photographer will then own the copyright on the photograph.
Copyright is an interesting thing that I don't profess to know that much about, however my firm has a LOT of art all over the world, it commissions plenty of pieces for our offices and we even have a division which deals with it!
www.artatswissre.com/flash/index.cfm
However they advise me that they are not able to publish on the internet all the original pieces we have as they do not have copyright to do so (we have a selection of Hirsts from 1982 some of which were borrowed by him for the recent exhibition which are not on the site but are in the Gherkin meeting rooms and there is a rumour we have a complete set of Kates!)
I mean I have the facilities to make mugs and coasters and all sorts of stuff with images on and had planned to do a set of 6 Kate mugs and coasters as I kinda think they would be nice, but I might be alone as I often am If someone wants to buy it then they will, if they dont then they wont. Pure supply and demand as someone has already said here.
I think selling photos of Graffiti is fine, as long as they are at a reasonable price and the seller is not trying make a name for themselves by saying they are Limited Edition Yeah, like Martin stores.ebay.co.uk/shellshockphotosjonpud, I'm sure you're right about the copyright issues, it's like any photo taken in a public space, you don't need the permission (or signed release) of any person in the photograph to publish it, and the photographer will then own the copyright on the photograph. Copyright is an interesting thing that I don't profess to know that much about, however my firm has a LOT of art all over the world, it commissions plenty of pieces for our offices and we even have a division which deals with it! www.artatswissre.com/flash/index.cfmHowever they advise me that they are not able to publish on the internet all the original pieces we have as they do not have copyright to do so (we have a selection of Hirsts from 1982 some of which were borrowed by him for the recent exhibition which are not on the site but are in the Gherkin meeting rooms and there is a rumour we have a complete set of Kates!) I mean I have the facilities to make mugs and coasters and all sorts of stuff with images on and had planned to do a set of 6 Kate mugs and coasters as I kinda think they would be nice, but I might be alone as I often am If someone wants to buy it then they will, if they dont then they wont. Pure supply and demand as someone has already said here. |
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saltandiron
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by saltandiron on Aug 10, 2007 14:34:28 GMT 1, On the copyright issue, if Banksy did copyright the flower thrower image from his prints/canvas work then surely this would cover the same images painted in public places, then taking photo's and selling on would become an indirect breach of the copyright?!
Copyright is automatic
www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htm
www.ipo.gov.uk/copy.htm
Banksy (and anyone else for that matter) owns the copyright on every image he or she creates. I'm not sure how it applys to photographs of a copyrighted material though.
The charging bull on wall Street in NY is an interesting case, kinda similar to this.....
www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060921-1411-chargingbulllawsuit.html
On the copyright issue, if Banksy did copyright the flower thrower image from his prints/canvas work then surely this would cover the same images painted in public places, then taking photo's and selling on would become an indirect breach of the copyright?! Copyright is automatic www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htmwww.ipo.gov.uk/copy.htmBanksy (and anyone else for that matter) owns the copyright on every image he or she creates. I'm not sure how it applys to photographs of a copyrighted material though. The charging bull on wall Street in NY is an interesting case, kinda similar to this..... www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060921-1411-chargingbulllawsuit.html |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by corblimeylimey on Aug 10, 2007 14:47:35 GMT 1, On the copyright issue, if Banksy did copyright the flower thrower image from his prints/canvas work then surely this would cover the same images painted in public places, then taking photo's and selling on would become an indirect breach of the copyright?! Copyright is automatic www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htmwww.ipo.gov.uk/copy.htmBanksy (and anyone else for that matter) owns the copyright on every image he or she creates. I'm not sure how it applys to photographs of a copyrighted material though. The charging bull on wall Street in NY is an interesting case, kinda similar to this..... www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060921-1411-chargingbulllawsuit.html
It's not quite the same for public art in public spaces and photographs of it, the photographer becomes the artist and automatically owns the copyright on their own photographs.
Check my flikr account out, I've taken quite a few shots of the new Banksy piece in Glastonbury, I now own the copyright on my photos of it, someone else can take their own pics, but no one can legally publish my photo's of it without my permission.
On the copyright issue, if Banksy did copyright the flower thrower image from his prints/canvas work then surely this would cover the same images painted in public places, then taking photo's and selling on would become an indirect breach of the copyright?! Copyright is automatic www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htmwww.ipo.gov.uk/copy.htmBanksy (and anyone else for that matter) owns the copyright on every image he or she creates. I'm not sure how it applys to photographs of a copyrighted material though. The charging bull on wall Street in NY is an interesting case, kinda similar to this..... www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060921-1411-chargingbulllawsuit.htmlIt's not quite the same for public art in public spaces and photographs of it, the photographer becomes the artist and automatically owns the copyright on their own photographs. Check my flikr account out, I've taken quite a few shots of the new Banksy piece in Glastonbury, I now own the copyright on my photos of it, someone else can take their own pics, but no one can legally publish my photo's of it without my permission. |
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saltandiron
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by saltandiron on Aug 10, 2007 14:53:30 GMT 1, It's not quite the same for public art in public spaces and photographs of it, the photographer becomes the artist and automatically owns the copyright on their own photographs. Check my flikr account out, I've taken quite a few shots of the new Banksy piece in Glastonbury, I now own the copyright on my photos of it, someone else can take their own pics, but no one can legally publish my photo's of it without my permission.
I'm no expert so sure you're right. My main point really was that there isn't an issue of 'if banksy copyrights one of his images' becuase copyright is automatic.
If anyone fancies some light Friday afternoon reading there's some here
www.wipo.int/sme/en/documents/ip_photography.htm
It's not quite the same for public art in public spaces and photographs of it, the photographer becomes the artist and automatically owns the copyright on their own photographs. Check my flikr account out, I've taken quite a few shots of the new Banksy piece in Glastonbury, I now own the copyright on my photos of it, someone else can take their own pics, but no one can legally publish my photo's of it without my permission. I'm no expert so sure you're right. My main point really was that there isn't an issue of 'if banksy copyrights one of his images' becuase copyright is automatic. If anyone fancies some light Friday afternoon reading there's some here www.wipo.int/sme/en/documents/ip_photography.htm |
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Selling photos of Streetart pieces, by goffy on Aug 10, 2007 15:43:09 GMT 1, What does Copyright have to say about this?
What does Copyright have to say about this?
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