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BANKSY GWB, by silvermyn on May 17, 2011 9:13:31 GMT 1, Wasnt Hugh Grant framed by a Pro?.
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BANKSY GWB, by silvermyn on May 17, 2011 9:28:07 GMT 1, I was offered one at ยฃ3k last year. That was framed by a pro and in very good condition. I would suggest that a cash deal for ยฃ3k to ยฃ3.5k for the U/S print with a COA would be a reasonable estimate as to the going market rate. How are prices a year ago even relevant? About 6 months ago I was offered a CYW for a few hundred pounds...  In any case, Banksy has seen an obvious bump in popularity and if you're an art 'collector' (not necessarily a Banksy/Urban Art) and want to have ONE Banksy piece in your collection - it's going to be GWB. About a year ago you could buy a NBG for ~ยฃ1500. But now they sell for ยฃ3000-3500. Does that mean they are inflated or could it be the simple fact that the market is on the up n up? Bottom line... Supply is far outweighed by demand. A print like GWB is only gonna change hands if A) the seller is desperate / uneducated or B) asking prices are met or C) you buy from someone who's business it is to move art (gallery). -M
Sorry mate but this is just hype IMO and I ain't buying it. I don't think prices have moved that much.
The one sold on this year on eBay for ยฃ4.5k was probably bought by a gallery looking to sell it on with a tidy ยฃ1k to ยฃ1.5k mark up in some swanky London gallery. There was only a single bid... hardly a stampede for this "ONE" to have print. When you take in to account the auction fees your also looking at sub-ยฃ4.5k to the seller.
I've got a few signed Banksy's hanging on the walls of my pad and believe me I'm not going to complain about an increase in their value.
I don't find hype of this kind (if indeed that what it is) agreeable but each to their own.
I was offered one at ยฃ3k last year. That was framed by a pro and in very good condition. I would suggest that a cash deal for ยฃ3k to ยฃ3.5k for the U/S print with a COA would be a reasonable estimate as to the going market rate. How are prices a year ago even relevant? About 6 months ago I was offered a CYW for a few hundred pounds... In any case, Banksy has seen an obvious bump in popularity and if you're an art 'collector' (not necessarily a Banksy/Urban Art) and want to have ONE Banksy piece in your collection - it's going to be GWB. About a year ago you could buy a NBG for ~ยฃ1500. But now they sell for ยฃ3000-3500. Does that mean they are inflated or could it be the simple fact that the market is on the up n up? Bottom line... Supply is far outweighed by demand. A print like GWB is only gonna change hands if A) the seller is desperate / uneducated or B) asking prices are met or C) you buy from someone who's business it is to move art (gallery). -M Sorry mate but this is just hype IMO and I ain't buying it. I don't think prices have moved that much. The one sold on this year on eBay for ยฃ4.5k was probably bought by a gallery looking to sell it on with a tidy ยฃ1k to ยฃ1.5k mark up in some swanky London gallery. There was only a single bid... hardly a stampede for this "ONE" to have print. When you take in to account the auction fees your also looking at sub-ยฃ4.5k to the seller. I've got a few signed Banksy's hanging on the walls of my pad and believe me I'm not going to complain about an increase in their value. I don't find hype of this kind (if indeed that what it is) agreeable but each to their own. |
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BANKSY GWB, by sashaz on May 17, 2011 13:46:38 GMT 1, I am gutted i didnt buy one that i had agreed on here for ยฃ2k last xmas. What a fool i am.
I am gutted i didnt buy one that i had agreed on here for ยฃ2k last xmas. What a fool i am.
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BANKSY GWB, by redfred on May 17, 2011 13:53:09 GMT 1, Your gutted - A few years ago I was offered a Signed for ยฃ800 and I wouldnt go higher than ยฃ750 so it went to somebody else!! I bet there are loads of stories like this, hindsight eh!
Your gutted - A few years ago I was offered a Signed for ยฃ800 and I wouldnt go higher than ยฃ750 so it went to somebody else!! I bet there are loads of stories like this, hindsight eh!
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BANKSY GWB, by mattgold on May 17, 2011 13:59:31 GMT 1, Sorry mate but this is just hype IMO and I ain't buying it. I don't think prices have moved that much. The one sold on this year on eBay for ยฃ4.5k was probably bought by a gallery looking to sell it on with a tidy ยฃ1k to ยฃ1.5k mark up in some swanky London gallery. There was only a single bid... hardly a stampede for this "ONE" to have print. When you take in to account the auction fees your also looking at sub-ยฃ4.5k to the seller. I've got a few signed Banksy's hanging on the walls of my pad and believe me I'm not going to complain about an increase in their value. I don't find hype of this kind (if indeed that what it is) agreeable but each to their own.
LoL - which statement is hype? I'll take the point that I was projecting a bit on the GWB being the quintessential Banksy print to own... but I really don't think I'm too far off. Just look at what the market has to say. Not too many other unsigned prints with runs of 500 are pulling close to ยฃ4500 (ok, maybe Happy Chopper and Laugh Now). But surely no Rats are as someone else suggested (Radar Rat excluded).
If anything you making the assumption a gallery bought the print to resell is an absolute fairy tale - tell me ANYTHING that indicated this?
As for your 'one bid' claim - look mate, if something hits you in the head on your walk to the pub - it doesn't mean gravity stopped working. My NBG just sold with 'one bid' (gasp!) - should I now assume Rufus in Australia is a gallery?
My point is this... Last year (in March/April) you could purchase a Green NBG for around ยฃ1200. One just sold for ยฃ3400 and another for ยฃ3100. Is that hype?
Bottom line, the tide is rising again. The movie and recent MOCA show isn't hurting things. More people are coming into a market that was already suffering from exceedingly high demand to get their paws on 'a Banksy'.
Pieces that are rare will only get rarer - and images in demand (GWB being one of them) will only continue to increase in demand. Both those factors will lead to higher prices.
Savvy (aka cheap... look around ) buyers will hunt down on the forum, eBay, Craigslist, etc, etc to find the best deal around and accept the risk (fake, damage, buying something for ยฃ4000 sight unseen). Others will simply walk into a gallery and pay (within 20%) asking price and be very confident the piece they got is what they expected.
I wish I could buy key Bansky pieces for less. But I accept the fact that I will frankly have to pay more to get my hands on prints that have eluded me (Laugh Now in particular).
If all that was still hype... so be it. It doesn't mean it's not true.
-M
Sorry mate but this is just hype IMO and I ain't buying it. I don't think prices have moved that much. The one sold on this year on eBay for ยฃ4.5k was probably bought by a gallery looking to sell it on with a tidy ยฃ1k to ยฃ1.5k mark up in some swanky London gallery. There was only a single bid... hardly a stampede for this "ONE" to have print. When you take in to account the auction fees your also looking at sub-ยฃ4.5k to the seller. I've got a few signed Banksy's hanging on the walls of my pad and believe me I'm not going to complain about an increase in their value. I don't find hype of this kind (if indeed that what it is) agreeable but each to their own. LoL - which statement is hype? I'll take the point that I was projecting a bit on the GWB being the quintessential Banksy print to own... but I really don't think I'm too far off. Just look at what the market has to say. Not too many other unsigned prints with runs of 500 are pulling close to ยฃ4500 (ok, maybe Happy Chopper and Laugh Now). But surely no Rats are as someone else suggested (Radar Rat excluded). If anything you making the assumption a gallery bought the print to resell is an absolute fairy tale - tell me ANYTHING that indicated this? As for your 'one bid' claim - look mate, if something hits you in the head on your walk to the pub - it doesn't mean gravity stopped working. My NBG just sold with 'one bid' (gasp!) - should I now assume Rufus in Australia is a gallery? My point is this... Last year (in March/April) you could purchase a Green NBG for around ยฃ1200. One just sold for ยฃ3400 and another for ยฃ3100. Is that hype? Bottom line, the tide is rising again. The movie and recent MOCA show isn't hurting things. More people are coming into a market that was already suffering from exceedingly high demand to get their paws on 'a Banksy'. Pieces that are rare will only get rarer - and images in demand (GWB being one of them) will only continue to increase in demand. Both those factors will lead to higher prices. Savvy (aka cheap... look around ) buyers will hunt down on the forum, eBay, Craigslist, etc, etc to find the best deal around and accept the risk (fake, damage, buying something for ยฃ4000 sight unseen). Others will simply walk into a gallery and pay (within 20%) asking price and be very confident the piece they got is what they expected. I wish I could buy key Bansky pieces for less. But I accept the fact that I will frankly have to pay more to get my hands on prints that have eluded me (Laugh Now in particular). If all that was still hype... so be it. It doesn't mean it's not true. -M |
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BANKSY GWB, by Hubble Bubble on May 17, 2011 14:15:43 GMT 1, Why is GWB THE one Banksy print. His most iconic image is that of a rat, his most sought after and valuable print/image is Kate. GWB is perhaps the most twee image , Kids on Guns (or whatever it's called!!) is far more impactful in taking a twee image (the kids) and shoving them on a stack of guns, whereas GWB takes a twee image (kid) and adds another twee image (balloon). End result is double TWEE...
Might be twee but IMHO it's the one image of B's that transcends national boundaries, political situations and language. It has broken free from the wall and become a part of everyday culture, endlessly reworked on xmas cards, TV ads, music videos and the like, from Shanghai to Sydney, Rio to Riyadh.
Like much great art it relies on what it doesn't say to make its point. You don't always need a screaming, napalmed, naked child running along with Ronald McDonald and Micky Mouse to tell the world it has lost its way and that as a global society we have little to hope for. Sometimes a true artist can use the simplest of images to speak via an iron hand within a velvet glove. Banksy's skill is he can do both and GWB remains the greatest example of his ability to appeal on a global scale rather than a simpler, parochial level of, say, a British copper flicking the finger, or kids saluting a Tesco flag.
True; original, die-hard graffiti lovers may not consider it his best work. But, like it or not; original, die-hard graffiti lovers are now a tiny minority of Banksy's following.
And history has shown us that what is perceived to be an artist's best work is rarely their most popular.
I'm guessing that this print, more than most, will endure the tests of time.
That's why it sells for a lot of money and, I feel, will continue to do so.
And my wife loves it.
Why is GWB THE one Banksy print. His most iconic image is that of a rat, his most sought after and valuable print/image is Kate. GWB is perhaps the most twee image , Kids on Guns (or whatever it's called!!) is far more impactful in taking a twee image (the kids) and shoving them on a stack of guns, whereas GWB takes a twee image (kid) and adds another twee image (balloon). End result is double TWEE... Might be twee but IMHO it's the one image of B's that transcends national boundaries, political situations and language. It has broken free from the wall and become a part of everyday culture, endlessly reworked on xmas cards, TV ads, music videos and the like, from Shanghai to Sydney, Rio to Riyadh. Like much great art it relies on what it doesn't say to make its point. You don't always need a screaming, napalmed, naked child running along with Ronald McDonald and Micky Mouse to tell the world it has lost its way and that as a global society we have little to hope for. Sometimes a true artist can use the simplest of images to speak via an iron hand within a velvet glove. Banksy's skill is he can do both and GWB remains the greatest example of his ability to appeal on a global scale rather than a simpler, parochial level of, say, a British copper flicking the finger, or kids saluting a Tesco flag. True; original, die-hard graffiti lovers may not consider it his best work. But, like it or not; original, die-hard graffiti lovers are now a tiny minority of Banksy's following. And history has shown us that what is perceived to be an artist's best work is rarely their most popular. I'm guessing that this print, more than most, will endure the tests of time. That's why it sells for a lot of money and, I feel, will continue to do so. And my wife loves it. |
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BANKSY GWB, by recycle on May 17, 2011 15:17:29 GMT 1, And my wife loves it. And thats why it is one of the most sought after prints, it is girlfriend/wife friendly..... Try hanging a CWSB above your bed at home and see what happens ;D
And my wife loves it. And thats why it is one of the most sought after prints, it is girlfriend/wife friendly..... Try hanging a CWSB above your bed at home and see what happens ;D |
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BANKSY GWB, by balibob on May 17, 2011 15:59:42 GMT 1, Agreed, GWB does appeal to the ladies a lot more than most of his prints.
Agreed, GWB does appeal to the ladies a lot more than most of his prints.
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BANKSY GWB, by nacional on May 17, 2011 16:46:21 GMT 1, Oh Christ....I think you may be correct...the definition of what will emerge as "best" art is subject to the whim of our girlfriends and wives...
Oh Christ....I think you may be correct...the definition of what will emerge as "best" art is subject to the whim of our girlfriends and wives...
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BANKSY GWB, by silvermyn on May 17, 2011 17:01:08 GMT 1, Sorry mate but this is just hype IMO and I ain't buying it. I don't think prices have moved that much. The one sold on this year on eBay for ยฃ4.5k was probably bought by a gallery looking to sell it on with a tidy ยฃ1k to ยฃ1.5k mark up in some swanky London gallery. There was only a single bid... hardly a stampede for this "ONE" to have print. When you take in to account the auction fees your also looking at sub-ยฃ4.5k to the seller. I've got a few signed Banksy's hanging on the walls of my pad and believe me I'm not going to complain about an increase in their value. I don't find hype of this kind (if indeed that what it is) agreeable but each to their own. LoL - which statement is hype? I'll take the point that I was projecting a bit on the GWB being the quintessential Banksy print to own... but I really don't think I'm too far off. Just look at what the market has to say. Not too many other unsigned prints with runs of 500 are pulling close to ยฃ4500 (ok, maybe Happy Chopper and Laugh Now). But surely no Rats are as someone else suggested (Radar Rat excluded). If anything you making the assumption a gallery bought the print to resell is an absolute fairy tale - tell me ANYTHING that indicated this? As for your 'one bid' claim - look mate, if something hits you in the head on your walk to the pub - it doesn't mean gravity stopped working. My NBG just sold with 'one bid' (gasp!) - should I now assume Rufus in Australia is a gallery? My point is this... Last year (in March/April) you could purchase a Green NBG for around ยฃ1200. One just sold for ยฃ3400 and another for ยฃ3100. Is that hype? Bottom line, the tide is rising again. The movie and recent MOCA show isn't hurting things. More people are coming into a market that was already suffering from exceedingly high demand to get their paws on 'a Banksy'. Pieces that are rare will only get rarer - and images in demand (GWB being one of them) will only continue to increase in demand. Both those factors will lead to higher prices. Savvy (aka cheap... look around ) buyers will hunt down on the forum, eBay, Craigslist, etc, etc to find the best deal around and accept the risk (fake, damage, buying something for ยฃ4000 sight unseen). Others will simply walk into a gallery and pay (within 20%) asking price and be very confident the piece they got is what they expected. I wish I could buy key Bansky pieces for less. But I accept the fact that I will frankly have to pay more to get my hands on prints that have eluded me (Laugh Now in particular). If all that was still hype... so be it. It doesn't mean it's not true. -M
You're way more hype than substance. 
Firstly, if you're after an unsigned Laugh Now then you can snap this one up on the bay for a mere ยฃ2.2k (nowhere near the ยฃ4.5k your suggesting). Go for it; it's a steal at that price right?
Item number:180668167399
Secondly, an US Rude Copper will fetch around ยฃ5k to ยฃ6k but I am aware of few other US Banksy prints going past that level outside of galleries.
Thirdly, the Green NBG was new out and all new Banksy prints have to find their level after a year or two because generally they are released at well below market rates. IMO NBG is at it's level now but who knows, maybe in 10 years it will be fetching ยฃ50k. That is of assuming that year on year increases stay strong, which of course they don't.
Yes, years ago when Banksy was unknow you could pick up a signed GWB for ยฃ800 blah blah blah. But Banksy has been huge for years and there has not been a sudden surge in popularity recently which would justify prices jumping to that extent in the last 12 months.
You just sold your NBG with one bid? Well done! Keep on dealing but you might want to either get your facts straight on pricing or go hype prices somewhere else 
Sorry mate but this is just hype IMO and I ain't buying it. I don't think prices have moved that much. The one sold on this year on eBay for ยฃ4.5k was probably bought by a gallery looking to sell it on with a tidy ยฃ1k to ยฃ1.5k mark up in some swanky London gallery. There was only a single bid... hardly a stampede for this "ONE" to have print. When you take in to account the auction fees your also looking at sub-ยฃ4.5k to the seller. I've got a few signed Banksy's hanging on the walls of my pad and believe me I'm not going to complain about an increase in their value. I don't find hype of this kind (if indeed that what it is) agreeable but each to their own. LoL - which statement is hype? I'll take the point that I was projecting a bit on the GWB being the quintessential Banksy print to own... but I really don't think I'm too far off. Just look at what the market has to say. Not too many other unsigned prints with runs of 500 are pulling close to ยฃ4500 (ok, maybe Happy Chopper and Laugh Now). But surely no Rats are as someone else suggested (Radar Rat excluded). If anything you making the assumption a gallery bought the print to resell is an absolute fairy tale - tell me ANYTHING that indicated this? As for your 'one bid' claim - look mate, if something hits you in the head on your walk to the pub - it doesn't mean gravity stopped working. My NBG just sold with 'one bid' (gasp!) - should I now assume Rufus in Australia is a gallery? My point is this... Last year (in March/April) you could purchase a Green NBG for around ยฃ1200. One just sold for ยฃ3400 and another for ยฃ3100. Is that hype? Bottom line, the tide is rising again. The movie and recent MOCA show isn't hurting things. More people are coming into a market that was already suffering from exceedingly high demand to get their paws on 'a Banksy'. Pieces that are rare will only get rarer - and images in demand (GWB being one of them) will only continue to increase in demand. Both those factors will lead to higher prices. Savvy (aka cheap... look around ) buyers will hunt down on the forum, eBay, Craigslist, etc, etc to find the best deal around and accept the risk (fake, damage, buying something for ยฃ4000 sight unseen). Others will simply walk into a gallery and pay (within 20%) asking price and be very confident the piece they got is what they expected. I wish I could buy key Bansky pieces for less. But I accept the fact that I will frankly have to pay more to get my hands on prints that have eluded me (Laugh Now in particular). If all that was still hype... so be it. It doesn't mean it's not true. -M You're way more hype than substance. Firstly, if you're after an unsigned Laugh Now then you can snap this one up on the bay for a mere ยฃ2.2k (nowhere near the ยฃ4.5k your suggesting). Go for it; it's a steal at that price right? Item number:180668167399 Secondly, an US Rude Copper will fetch around ยฃ5k to ยฃ6k but I am aware of few other US Banksy prints going past that level outside of galleries. Thirdly, the Green NBG was new out and all new Banksy prints have to find their level after a year or two because generally they are released at well below market rates. IMO NBG is at it's level now but who knows, maybe in 10 years it will be fetching ยฃ50k. That is of assuming that year on year increases stay strong, which of course they don't. Yes, years ago when Banksy was unknow you could pick up a signed GWB for ยฃ800 blah blah blah. But Banksy has been huge for years and there has not been a sudden surge in popularity recently which would justify prices jumping to that extent in the last 12 months. You just sold your NBG with one bid? Well done! Keep on dealing but you might want to either get your facts straight on pricing or go hype prices somewhere else |
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BANKSY GWB, by mattgold on May 17, 2011 18:00:32 GMT 1, You're way more hype than substance.
You're way better at making my argument for me then your own.
Firstly, if you're after an unsigned Laugh Now then you can snap this one up on the bay for a mere ยฃ2.2k (nowhere near the ยฃ4.5k your suggesting). Go for it; it's a steal at that price right? Item number:180668167399
Sooo... Laugh Now was the same print run of 500 - and released during the same time period. Yet GWB is selling for double. I think that's pretty heavy evidence that GWB is much more sought after. As for the link, thanks mate - I may have to have a crack at this.
Secondly, an US Rude Copper will fetch around ยฃ5k to ยฃ6k but I am aware of few other US Banksy prints going past that level outside of galleries.
Rude Copper was a run of 250 - HALF that of GWB. Sure, other unsigned prints may pull more then an US Girl With Balloon - but they're lower runs and instantly the supply vs demand shifts. Half the run and only ยฃ500 more? That doesn't bode well for the copper.
Thirdly, the Green NBG was new out and all new Banksy prints have to find their level after a year or two because generally they are released at well below market rates. IMO NBG is at it's level now but who knows, maybe in 10 years it will be fetching ยฃ50k. That is of assuming that year on year increases stay strong, which of course they don't.
NBG was released in December of 2009, about a year and a half ago. So by your estimates it's just hitting it's proper price range (ยฃ3000-ยฃ3500)?
Taking your logic further, CYW is currently "well below market rates"? I think not.
In any case I don't really understand your point, no prints have year after year improvements. It's very gradual.
Yes, years ago when Banksy was unknow you could pick up a signed GWB for ยฃ800 blah blah blah. But Banksy has been huge for years and there has not been a sudden surge in popularity recently which would justify prices jumping to that extent in the last 12 months.
Yeah, everyone's got their 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' stories...
But there has been a HUGE surge in popularity in the past year. Exit Through the Gift Shop? Simpsons? Grammy Nomination? Recent MOCA Show?
Maybe the UK hasn't felt the surge, but the rest of the world has...
Just look at Google Trends:
www.google.com/trends?q=Banksy
Make sure you compare UK vs US vs Australia, etc, etc and you'll see where the popularity surge has been.
More people know who Banksy is and are now in the market. The demand has increased and the supply hasn't. Prices go up. Period.
You just sold your NBG with one bid? Well done! Keep on dealing but you might want to either get your facts straight on pricing or go hype prices somewhere else
One bid - but that doesn't tell the story of the interest as you tried to make as a point earlier. One bid only means someone accepted a BIN or Offer. I had scores of bids (most over ยฃ2800) here and on eBay - the eventual buyer was just the highest.
As for 'dealing' - far from it. Had to pay for a Thailand honeymoon and something had to go.
Bottom line - this isn't a bubble, the market is on the rise. Key Banksy pieces have already emerged as staples and GWB is frankly one of them. For all the reasons I listed and all the reasons others have listed much more eloquently.
But hey, don't believe me if you don't want to.
-M
You're way more hype than substance. You're way better at making my argument for me then your own. Firstly, if you're after an unsigned Laugh Now then you can snap this one up on the bay for a mere ยฃ2.2k (nowhere near the ยฃ4.5k your suggesting). Go for it; it's a steal at that price right? Item number:180668167399 Sooo... Laugh Now was the same print run of 500 - and released during the same time period. Yet GWB is selling for double. I think that's pretty heavy evidence that GWB is much more sought after. As for the link, thanks mate - I may have to have a crack at this. Secondly, an US Rude Copper will fetch around ยฃ5k to ยฃ6k but I am aware of few other US Banksy prints going past that level outside of galleries. Rude Copper was a run of 250 - HALF that of GWB. Sure, other unsigned prints may pull more then an US Girl With Balloon - but they're lower runs and instantly the supply vs demand shifts. Half the run and only ยฃ500 more? That doesn't bode well for the copper. Thirdly, the Green NBG was new out and all new Banksy prints have to find their level after a year or two because generally they are released at well below market rates. IMO NBG is at it's level now but who knows, maybe in 10 years it will be fetching ยฃ50k. That is of assuming that year on year increases stay strong, which of course they don't. NBG was released in December of 2009, about a year and a half ago. So by your estimates it's just hitting it's proper price range (ยฃ3000-ยฃ3500)? Taking your logic further, CYW is currently "well below market rates"? I think not. In any case I don't really understand your point, no prints have year after year improvements. It's very gradual. Yes, years ago when Banksy was unknow you could pick up a signed GWB for ยฃ800 blah blah blah. But Banksy has been huge for years and there has not been a sudden surge in popularity recently which would justify prices jumping to that extent in the last 12 months. Yeah, everyone's got their 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' stories... But there has been a HUGE surge in popularity in the past year. Exit Through the Gift Shop? Simpsons? Grammy Nomination? Recent MOCA Show? Maybe the UK hasn't felt the surge, but the rest of the world has... Just look at Google Trends: www.google.com/trends?q=BanksyMake sure you compare UK vs US vs Australia, etc, etc and you'll see where the popularity surge has been. More people know who Banksy is and are now in the market. The demand has increased and the supply hasn't. Prices go up. Period. You just sold your NBG with one bid? Well done! Keep on dealing but you might want to either get your facts straight on pricing or go hype prices somewhere else One bid - but that doesn't tell the story of the interest as you tried to make as a point earlier. One bid only means someone accepted a BIN or Offer. I had scores of bids (most over ยฃ2800) here and on eBay - the eventual buyer was just the highest. As for 'dealing' - far from it. Had to pay for a Thailand honeymoon and something had to go. Bottom line - this isn't a bubble, the market is on the rise. Key Banksy pieces have already emerged as staples and GWB is frankly one of them. For all the reasons I listed and all the reasons others have listed much more eloquently. But hey, don't believe me if you don't want to. -M |
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BANKSY GWB, by mattgold on May 17, 2011 18:16:49 GMT 1, I think I should also throw this out there... The only reason I jumped into this thread is because someone with 16 posts came in with a valuable piece inquiring about it's value. Immediately people are telling him 'there's a bubble but I'll be more then happy to relieve you of it'. DIRTY tactics right there.
If hype is the other side of that coin - then so be it. I call it optimism backed by trends and facts.
As a bonus...
More fun with Google Trends:
trends.google.com/trends?q=banksy%2C+hirst%2C+fairey&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0
Banksy vs Hirst vs Fairey...
I could play with this all day.
-M
I think I should also throw this out there... The only reason I jumped into this thread is because someone with 16 posts came in with a valuable piece inquiring about it's value. Immediately people are telling him 'there's a bubble but I'll be more then happy to relieve you of it'. DIRTY tactics right there. If hype is the other side of that coin - then so be it. I call it optimism backed by trends and facts. As a bonus... More fun with Google Trends: trends.google.com/trends?q=banksy%2C+hirst%2C+fairey&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0Banksy vs Hirst vs Fairey... I could play with this all day. -M |
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BANKSY GWB, by curiousgeorge on May 17, 2011 18:25:26 GMT 1, Good looking out Mattgold! I've seen people using those tactics before and it ain't pretty (not saying that's the case here)
To the OP, History tells us this is most sought after in terms of Banksy prints.In my opinion get a COA for it and then approach auction houses, I'm guessing you could play them off against each other in terms of selling fee's and easily pay 50% less than they suggest
Good luck and hope the proceeds help you, must be very hard to sell this
Good looking out Mattgold! I've seen people using those tactics before and it ain't pretty (not saying that's the case here)
To the OP, History tells us this is most sought after in terms of Banksy prints.In my opinion get a COA for it and then approach auction houses, I'm guessing you could play them off against each other in terms of selling fee's and easily pay 50% less than they suggest
Good luck and hope the proceeds help you, must be very hard to sell this
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BANKSY GWB, by nacional on May 17, 2011 18:30:34 GMT 1, So let me get this right, Justin Timberlake is Banksy? ?
So let me get this right, Justin Timberlake is Banksy? ? |
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mattgold
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BANKSY GWB, by mattgold on May 17, 2011 18:32:10 GMT 1, So let me get this right, Justin Timberlake is Banksy? ?
LoL... If its on the Internet, it must be true.
-M
So let me get this right, Justin Timberlake is Banksy? ? LoL... If its on the Internet, it must be true. -M |
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lifeonwalls
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BANKSY GWB, by lifeonwalls on May 17, 2011 18:34:23 GMT 1, mattgold - I really appreciate reading your posts. They are thought out, well written, and backed up by facts when needed and opinions are noted. OP should be thankin' ya as well!
Never knew about google trends. Certainly something I will be using more of. :-)
mattgold - I really appreciate reading your posts. They are thought out, well written, and backed up by facts when needed and opinions are noted. OP should be thankin' ya as well!
Never knew about google trends. Certainly something I will be using more of. :-)
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BANKSY GWB, by Hubble Bubble on May 17, 2011 19:07:52 GMT 1, sky... sorry for my part in hijacking the thread... it's become much more than your original query...
HB
sky... sorry for my part in hijacking the thread... it's become much more than your original query...
HB
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BANKSY GWB, by gogolbordello on May 17, 2011 20:19:10 GMT 1, I think I should also throw this out there... The only reason I jumped into this thread is because someone with 16 posts came in with a valuable piece inquiring about it's value. Immediately people are telling him 'there's a bubble but I'll be more then happy to relieve you of it'. DIRTY tactics right there. If hype is the other side of that coin - then so be it. I call it optimism backed by trends and facts. Nice one!! whooop's there it is As a bonus... More fun with Google Trends: trends.google.com/trends?q=banksy%2C+hirst%2C+fairey&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0Banksy vs Hirst vs Fairey... I could play with this all day. NICE one WHoooPS There it is aint TRUTH A PAIN in the BUTT!! -M
I think I should also throw this out there... The only reason I jumped into this thread is because someone with 16 posts came in with a valuable piece inquiring about it's value. Immediately people are telling him 'there's a bubble but I'll be more then happy to relieve you of it'. DIRTY tactics right there. If hype is the other side of that coin - then so be it. I call it optimism backed by trends and facts. Nice one!! whooop's there it is As a bonus... More fun with Google Trends: trends.google.com/trends?q=banksy%2C+hirst%2C+fairey&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0Banksy vs Hirst vs Fairey... I could play with this all day. NICE one WHoooPS There it is aint TRUTH A PAIN in the BUTT!! -M |
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BANKSY GWB, by Deleted on May 17, 2011 20:26:14 GMT 1, Google trends eh? Thanks for that, no idea it existed....live and learn.
I used to own GWB and sold it yonks ago for ยฃ3K which at that time was a sum of money that I couldn't turn down. I do sometimes think that the overall market is distorted by this forum and that this isn't necessarily restricted to Banksy.
POW release, all in baskets, check the forum thoughts and buy / release accordingly.
Fair value now? Not sure but can't see how 5K is 'realistic' given most commentators would've put this around ยฃ3K (ish) last year, my guess is around ยฃ4K but as was said earlier they're hard to source so to some extent the value is dictated by any seller....
I'd only be interested in print number 23.
Google trends eh? Thanks for that, no idea it existed....live and learn.
I used to own GWB and sold it yonks ago for ยฃ3K which at that time was a sum of money that I couldn't turn down. I do sometimes think that the overall market is distorted by this forum and that this isn't necessarily restricted to Banksy.
POW release, all in baskets, check the forum thoughts and buy / release accordingly.
Fair value now? Not sure but can't see how 5K is 'realistic' given most commentators would've put this around ยฃ3K (ish) last year, my guess is around ยฃ4K but as was said earlier they're hard to source so to some extent the value is dictated by any seller....
I'd only be interested in print number 23.
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BANKSY GWB, by gogolbordello on May 17, 2011 20:37:37 GMT 1, Imo.. Put it on ebay it will find its true price level.
Imo.. Put it on ebay it will find its true price level.
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BANKSY GWB, by Deleted on May 17, 2011 20:41:41 GMT 1, Imo.. Put it on ebay it will find its true price level.
Never a truer word, 99p start, no reserve.
Imo.. Put it on ebay it will find its true price level. Never a truer word, 99p start, no reserve. |
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BANKSY GWB, by Ruggs on May 17, 2011 20:54:05 GMT 1, I wonder how many of the 600 actually still exist!
I wonder how many of the 600 actually still exist!
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BANKSY GWB, by gogolbordello on May 17, 2011 21:02:28 GMT 1, I reckon that this thread as been going on for that long in time
That the guy as probably already sold it!!
I reckon that this thread as been going on for that long in time
That the guy as probably already sold it!!
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BANKSY GWB, by brut on May 18, 2011 9:12:05 GMT 1, I think a good question to ask is how many people on this forum have a signed or unsigned GWB.
I don't think you will track them all down but i do think that the majority of these prits still exist.
By the way i have an unsigned one which i paid ยฃ85 for from POW in 2005.
I think a good question to ask is how many people on this forum have a signed or unsigned GWB. I don't think you will track them all down but i do think that the majority of these prits still exist. By the way i have an unsigned one which i paid ยฃ85 for from POW in 2005. |
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BANKSY GWB, by wizzy on May 18, 2011 10:06:28 GMT 1, I think a good question to ask is how many people on this forum have a signed or unsigned GWB. I don't think you will track them all down but i do think that the majority of these prits still exist. By the way i have an unsigned one which i paid ยฃ85 for from POW in 2005.
Could be, but that only tells you how many on here have one (or more), not everyone who buys or likes Banksy is on this forum. Know what you mean though.
I think a good question to ask is how many people on this forum have a signed or unsigned GWB. I don't think you will track them all down but i do think that the majority of these prits still exist. By the way i have an unsigned one which i paid ยฃ85 for from POW in 2005. Could be, but that only tells you how many on here have one (or more), not everyone who buys or likes Banksy is on this forum. Know what you mean though. |
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BANKSY GWB, by achtungbono on May 18, 2011 11:58:55 GMT 1, As prints go, its a bit of a mess - to me anyway.
I dont think theres any great depth of meaning to it, but as has been mentioned, this is a more accepetable image than others of the same era - less masculine - and we all know how the street art culture is very male dominated
The rats have wit, Golf sales have a bit of socio economic political satire, and so on.This print does nothing for me but I can see why they would be more in demand as a bit of decorative wall covering rather any any great statement - and thats the key here
Ebay does seem to be the great leveller nowadays,a s much as we may not like it - bang it on with a high BIN & accept offers - see how it goes - Im sure you will have lots of interest
As prints go, its a bit of a mess - to me anyway.
I dont think theres any great depth of meaning to it, but as has been mentioned, this is a more accepetable image than others of the same era - less masculine - and we all know how the street art culture is very male dominated
The rats have wit, Golf sales have a bit of socio economic political satire, and so on.This print does nothing for me but I can see why they would be more in demand as a bit of decorative wall covering rather any any great statement - and thats the key here
Ebay does seem to be the great leveller nowadays,a s much as we may not like it - bang it on with a high BIN & accept offers - see how it goes - Im sure you will have lots of interest
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BANKSY GWB, by silvermyn on May 18, 2011 12:32:49 GMT 1, I think I should also throw this out there... The only reason I jumped into this thread is because someone with 16 posts came in with a valuable piece inquiring about it's value. Immediately people are telling him 'there's a bubble but I'll be more then happy to relieve you of it'. DIRTY tactics right there. If hype is the other side of that coin - then so be it. I call it optimism backed by trends and facts. As a bonus... More fun with Google Trends: trends.google.com/trends?q=banksy%2C+hirst%2C+fairey&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0Banksy vs Hirst vs Fairey... I could play with this all day. -M
Me too but it's boring and I've got other things to do.
I appreciate your views and as long as you're not trying to big up prices with a view to shifting some stock then I'm a cool bunny.
Have a nice day and best of luck with that US Laugh Now.
I think I should also throw this out there... The only reason I jumped into this thread is because someone with 16 posts came in with a valuable piece inquiring about it's value. Immediately people are telling him 'there's a bubble but I'll be more then happy to relieve you of it'. DIRTY tactics right there. If hype is the other side of that coin - then so be it. I call it optimism backed by trends and facts. As a bonus... More fun with Google Trends: trends.google.com/trends?q=banksy%2C+hirst%2C+fairey&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0Banksy vs Hirst vs Fairey... I could play with this all day. -M Me too but it's boring and I've got other things to do. I appreciate your views and as long as you're not trying to big up prices with a view to shifting some stock then I'm a cool bunny. Have a nice day and best of luck with that US Laugh Now. |
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BANKSY GWB, by imkloot on May 18, 2011 21:43:46 GMT 1, I started the thread originally and have been inundated with PM's enquiring about my GWB. I have had some ridiculous offers but hey ho. I'm not a Banksy expert (clearly) but I'm also no fool and wouldn't let this piece go for silly money like I've been offered. I bought this in 2005 for ยฃ85 before the hype took hold so I must have a little bit of nouse...or luck.
Thanks for the sensible posts from genuinely friendly and helpful folk, especially MATTGOLD. You have been a big help. The print is still for sale and will be sold once the C.O.A arrives. It's being sold because I WANT to sell it not because I HAVE to sell it. If you are interested then give me a shout.
Cheers.
I started the thread originally and have been inundated with PM's enquiring about my GWB. I have had some ridiculous offers but hey ho. I'm not a Banksy expert (clearly) but I'm also no fool and wouldn't let this piece go for silly money like I've been offered. I bought this in 2005 for ยฃ85 before the hype took hold so I must have a little bit of nouse...or luck.
Thanks for the sensible posts from genuinely friendly and helpful folk, especially MATTGOLD. You have been a big help. The print is still for sale and will be sold once the C.O.A arrives. It's being sold because I WANT to sell it not because I HAVE to sell it. If you are interested then give me a shout.
Cheers.
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