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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Zippy on Jul 24, 2007 21:25:51 GMT 1, berillo, i'm worried that some are in perspex. Am I correct or is it just the photo?
From a conservations angle, I have been told to get anything framed in perspex out of it and into a glass frame!
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berillo, i'm worried that some are in perspex. Am I correct or is it just the photo?
From a conservations angle, I have been told to get anything framed in perspex out of it and into a glass frame!
Z
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on Jul 24, 2007 21:28:44 GMT 1, Is that just prints Z?
Is that just prints Z?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jonpud on Jul 24, 2007 21:28:59 GMT 1, berillo, i'm worried that some are in perspex. Am I correct or is it just the photo? From a conservations angle, I have been told to get anything framed in perspex out of it and into a glass frame! Z
One of the plastics contains petroleum and other oils which could eff up your prints if in contact over a long period (so I am lead to beleive) But there are other plastics which can be used but don't know what they are! Anyone??
berillo, i'm worried that some are in perspex. Am I correct or is it just the photo? From a conservations angle, I have been told to get anything framed in perspex out of it and into a glass frame! Z One of the plastics contains petroleum and other oils which could eff up your prints if in contact over a long period (so I am lead to beleive) But there are other plastics which can be used but don't know what they are! Anyone?? |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by rillo on Jul 24, 2007 21:39:23 GMT 1, berillo, i'm worried that some are in perspex. Am I correct or is it just the photo? From a conservations angle, I have been told to get anything framed in perspex out of it and into a glass frame! Z One of the plastics contains petroleum and other oils which could eff up your prints if in contact over a long period (so I am lead to beleive) But there are other plastics which can be used but don't know what they are! Anyone??
Yes some were professionally framed in purpose built moulded perspex boxes. the perspex used is the type that blocks a high % of UV etc. and there is a gap between print and the perspex.
berillo, i'm worried that some are in perspex. Am I correct or is it just the photo? From a conservations angle, I have been told to get anything framed in perspex out of it and into a glass frame! Z One of the plastics contains petroleum and other oils which could eff up your prints if in contact over a long period (so I am lead to beleive) But there are other plastics which can be used but don't know what they are! Anyone?? Yes some were professionally framed in purpose built moulded perspex boxes. the perspex used is the type that blocks a high % of UV etc. and there is a gap between print and the perspex. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by rillo on Jul 24, 2007 21:40:29 GMT 1, these are behind glass though
these are behind glass though |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by rillo on Jul 24, 2007 21:41:41 GMT 1, 
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by rillo on Jul 24, 2007 21:43:24 GMT 1, as are the other mics bar SOS
as are the other mics bar SOS
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by benya on Jul 24, 2007 22:17:56 GMT 1, I think the prices have gone early in anticipation of the show however there is still plenty of room for increase
- particularly with the small number of prints that have been produced and the fact they will soon start to find permanent places of residency decreasing supply.................
I think the prices have gone early in anticipation of the show however there is still plenty of room for increase
- particularly with the small number of prints that have been produced and the fact they will soon start to find permanent places of residency decreasing supply.................
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by graeme501 on Jul 24, 2007 22:22:20 GMT 1, the thing to remember that there is only signed prints from micallef, this increases the exclusivity and will attarct the type of people with a lot of cash to splash
the thing to remember that there is only signed prints from micallef, this increases the exclusivity and will attarct the type of people with a lot of cash to splash
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by scavos on Jul 24, 2007 22:40:23 GMT 1, Rillo. +1. Chuffin' A. What a collection.
Rillo. +1. Chuffin' A. What a collection.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by motor on Jul 24, 2007 22:44:18 GMT 1, I think the prices have gone early in anticipation of the show however there is still plenty of room for increase - particularly with the small number of prints that have been produced and the fact they will soon start to find permanent places of residency decreasing supply.................
In this instance I have to agree: The only way is up...
I know I am only contributing to the hype but I really think this is going to be Micallef year (with Banksy taking some time off)
I think the prices have gone early in anticipation of the show however there is still plenty of room for increase - particularly with the small number of prints that have been produced and the fact they will soon start to find permanent places of residency decreasing supply................. In this instance I have to agree: The only way is up... I know I am only contributing to the hype but I really think this is going to be Micallef year (with Banksy taking some time off) |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by finsburyparkranger on Jul 24, 2007 23:11:38 GMT 1, I think the prices have gone early in anticipation of the show however there is still plenty of room for increase - particularly with the small number of prints that have been produced and the fact they will soon start to find permanent places of residency decreasing supply................. In this instance I have to agree: The only way is up... I know I am only contributing to the hype but I really think this is going to be Micallef year (with Banksy taking some time off)
Whats this about Banksy taking some time off? Tell all !
I think the prices have gone early in anticipation of the show however there is still plenty of room for increase - particularly with the small number of prints that have been produced and the fact they will soon start to find permanent places of residency decreasing supply................. In this instance I have to agree: The only way is up... I know I am only contributing to the hype but I really think this is going to be Micallef year (with Banksy taking some time off) Whats this about Banksy taking some time off? Tell all ! |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by uglyiq on Jul 25, 2007 0:33:37 GMT 1, Interesting thread so thought I'd contribute my ha'penny worth...while I agree that overall Mic's are as safe a bet as you're ever gonna get in this business to appreciate, although far more important is the fact that they are just so F888ING beautiful, especially the £4K Lazincs, there are exceptions....
My friend was desperate to get a JD & then it BIN'd at £2.5K and suddenly that was a "benchmark" price... he was still adament he wanted it so I offered a bunch of people £2.2K cash and got turned down flat...right now I wouldn't pay more than £1.8K.
The sooner people - especially people like us who really are 'collectors' of art & not just transit rooms for unopened tubes - the sooner people start accepting reasonable bids for pieces instead of thinking that every single print is always gonna sell for the highest price that's ever been paid for it, then the sooner we can stabilise prices and actually afford to buy the pieces we want through Forums....otherwise we might just as well go back to paying Gallery mark-ups....
OK rant over, sorry, and yes sometimes we're gonna "lose" out financially on the odd piece (and having sold 4 signed Banksy's for the princely sum of £350 each in 2005 just before it all blew up I'm speaking from experience) but without giving stuff away I think a little bit of give and take is gonna benefit us all in the end....when & if we do want to 'cash-in' there will still be plenty of "Portfolio Collectors" out there who we can bust for the top dollar....
Interesting thread so thought I'd contribute my ha'penny worth...while I agree that overall Mic's are as safe a bet as you're ever gonna get in this business to appreciate, although far more important is the fact that they are just so F888ING beautiful, especially the £4K Lazincs, there are exceptions....
My friend was desperate to get a JD & then it BIN'd at £2.5K and suddenly that was a "benchmark" price... he was still adament he wanted it so I offered a bunch of people £2.2K cash and got turned down flat...right now I wouldn't pay more than £1.8K.
The sooner people - especially people like us who really are 'collectors' of art & not just transit rooms for unopened tubes - the sooner people start accepting reasonable bids for pieces instead of thinking that every single print is always gonna sell for the highest price that's ever been paid for it, then the sooner we can stabilise prices and actually afford to buy the pieces we want through Forums....otherwise we might just as well go back to paying Gallery mark-ups....
OK rant over, sorry, and yes sometimes we're gonna "lose" out financially on the odd piece (and having sold 4 signed Banksy's for the princely sum of £350 each in 2005 just before it all blew up I'm speaking from experience) but without giving stuff away I think a little bit of give and take is gonna benefit us all in the end....when & if we do want to 'cash-in' there will still be plenty of "Portfolio Collectors" out there who we can bust for the top dollar....
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by carlito on Jul 25, 2007 0:38:31 GMT 1, In this instance I have to agree: The only way is up... I know I am only contributing to the hype but I really think this is going to be Micallef year (with Banksy taking some time off) Whats this about Banksy taking some time off? Tell all !
well he hasn't been doing much that we've seen for a good year...I'd have thought his time away is coming to end rather than likely to continue..
In this instance I have to agree: The only way is up... I know I am only contributing to the hype but I really think this is going to be Micallef year (with Banksy taking some time off) Whats this about Banksy taking some time off? Tell all ! well he hasn't been doing much that we've seen for a good year...I'd have thought his time away is coming to end rather than likely to continue.. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by carlito on Jul 25, 2007 0:43:53 GMT 1, i think the prices are crazy - i know the only way is up, but the speed at which they jumped and the way Laz prints suddenly became 'reasonable' still smacks of absolute craziness to me..or perhaps i'm just really poor lol
i think the prices are crazy - i know the only way is up, but the speed at which they jumped and the way Laz prints suddenly became 'reasonable' still smacks of absolute craziness to me..or perhaps i'm just really poor lol
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by mp on Jul 25, 2007 3:01:30 GMT 1, I'm with you Carlito. The price jump has been unbelievable. I hope POW keeps the prices moderate on future releases. It's going to be the only way for fans to acquire work from their favorite artists for affordable prices. That's why I respect SOS so much. They could charge much more for their releases, but keep it in check.
I'm lucky enough to own a JD and SMS myself, but I see my dreams of getting an FF and 21C rapidly slipping away by the day. That is, until I win the lottery...
I'm with you Carlito. The price jump has been unbelievable. I hope POW keeps the prices moderate on future releases. It's going to be the only way for fans to acquire work from their favorite artists for affordable prices. That's why I respect SOS so much. They could charge much more for their releases, but keep it in check.
I'm lucky enough to own a JD and SMS myself, but I see my dreams of getting an FF and 21C rapidly slipping away by the day. That is, until I win the lottery...
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by gilbaron on Jul 25, 2007 5:29:33 GMT 1, If you got those two prints from POW you already did win the lottery.
gil
If you got those two prints from POW you already did win the lottery.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by mp on Jul 25, 2007 7:37:12 GMT 1, Got SMS off POW, but got JD on the secondary market. Still a very fair deal, as I purchased it back in January. Like I said, I feel very lucky to have both of them.
Got SMS off POW, but got JD on the secondary market. Still a very fair deal, as I purchased it back in January. Like I said, I feel very lucky to have both of them.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jipsy on Jul 25, 2007 8:00:13 GMT 1, I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available.
I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price.
He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist.
So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself?
I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available.
I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price.
He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist.
So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jipsy on Jul 25, 2007 8:03:51 GMT 1, It's only a question to discuss not a statement!!!
It's only a question to discuss not a statement!!!
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by stuey09 on Jul 25, 2007 8:21:21 GMT 1, I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself?
Only out of reach if they didn't sell and on the premise that they've sold out... 
I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself? Only out of reach if they didn't sell and on the premise that they've sold out... |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jonpud on Jul 25, 2007 8:21:46 GMT 1, I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself?
Not doubting what you have been told mate but doubting that its the truth! Its a well known fact that Laz HATES the secondary market, he likes to be in control and doesn't like to see all these possible profits being made by others, that is probably the reason for the high price, he wants what he knows they will sell for at a later date. Having said that I assume that the artist will benefit from the higher selling price and also I know that Laz does his best to ensure that its only one print per person which gives all true collectors the slim chance of obtaining a print for themselves. Again having said that you could have bought as many of the 4.7k prints as you liked! So that kind of proves my point about the secondary market!!!?
Just my opinion of course!
I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself? Not doubting what you have been told mate but doubting that its the truth! Its a well known fact that Laz HATES the secondary market, he likes to be in control and doesn't like to see all these possible profits being made by others, that is probably the reason for the high price, he wants what he knows they will sell for at a later date. Having said that I assume that the artist will benefit from the higher selling price and also I know that Laz does his best to ensure that its only one print per person which gives all true collectors the slim chance of obtaining a print for themselves. Again having said that you could have bought as many of the 4.7k prints as you liked! So that kind of proves my point about the secondary market!!!? Just my opinion of course! |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Strange Al on Jul 25, 2007 8:43:20 GMT 1, Its a well known fact that Laz HATES the secondary market!
That kind of surprises me. Firstly, because in many respects Laz is the secondary market. Moreover, the prices in the secondary market very much determine what price he can sell his artists' prints/works for, as well as increasing the value of his own vast collection. I don't think for one second that Laz has any problems with Mic's works selling for £10,000s at auction for example. My feeling is the prices of the Laz Mic's were very much determined by the prices 21st CL was reaching on Ebay at the time of release. In fact, I would go as far as saying without the Secondary Market I don't think Laz would sell many prints at this price. If people didn't believe they'd be able to sell their Laz Mics for at least as much as they paid for them (preferably much more), I don't think many would spend almost £5K on a giclee. The fact that the prints didn't sell out until the recent increased hype, proves this point. Therefore, no secondary market very few sales IMO. Laz is a shrewd businessman, who is well aware of this.
Its a well known fact that Laz HATES the secondary market! That kind of surprises me. Firstly, because in many respects Laz is the secondary market. Moreover, the prices in the secondary market very much determine what price he can sell his artists' prints/works for, as well as increasing the value of his own vast collection. I don't think for one second that Laz has any problems with Mic's works selling for £10,000s at auction for example. My feeling is the prices of the Laz Mic's were very much determined by the prices 21st CL was reaching on Ebay at the time of release. In fact, I would go as far as saying without the Secondary Market I don't think Laz would sell many prints at this price. If people didn't believe they'd be able to sell their Laz Mics for at least as much as they paid for them (preferably much more), I don't think many would spend almost £5K on a giclee. The fact that the prints didn't sell out until the recent increased hype, proves this point. Therefore, no secondary market very few sales IMO. Laz is a shrewd businessman, who is well aware of this. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jonpud on Jul 25, 2007 9:04:36 GMT 1, Its a well known fact that Laz HATES the secondary market! That kind of surprises me. Firstly, because in many respects Laz is the secondary market. Moreover, the prices in the secondary market very much determine what price he can sell his artists' prints/works for, as well as increasing the value of his own vast collection. I don't think for one second that Laz has any problems with Mic's works selling for £10,000s at auction for example. My feeling is the prices of the Laz Mic's were very much determined by the prices 21st CL was reaching on Ebay at the time of release. In fact, I would go as far as saying without the Secondary Market I don't think Laz would sell many prints at this price. If people didn't believe they'd be able to sell their Laz Mics for at least as much as they paid for them (preferably much more), I don't think many would spend almost £5K on a giclee. The fact that the prints didn't sell out until the recent increased hype, proves this point. Therefore, no secondary market very few sales IMO. Laz is a shrewd businessman, who is well aware of this.
It is only an opinion and one that I have heard many times by people in the know! And you are spot on when you say that the secondary market is what helps make his artists the success that they are today. I think when I say the secondary market I am not talking about you or me buying a face value print, finding out a year later that you could sell it for 10x the price and cashing in. I think its the people that buy up what they can, who don't care for the art but buy just for the chance to make a quick buck!
And how can you explain their reluctance to authenticate Banksy artwork outside of the registered print runs? Not talking about street art (which we all know is where it should stay) I am talking about the gifts that Banksy has done for other artists, DJ's, etc etc and these people have then sold on. I know of one particular piece, its 100% genuine, hand sprayed as a thankyou and given by Laz himself to someone for a job well done, this is now with someone else and whilst Laz agrees verbally that this is genuine he will not put anything in writing to say so!!
Another rumour for you, Christies are apparently fed up with the reluctance of someone to authenticate work and so are considering appointing an expert to research and authenticate art from Banksy in a similar way to the Warhol society!? Should be interesting!!
Nothing against Laz here by the way, he represents Banksy and as his commodity I guess he can do what he wants with it!
Its a well known fact that Laz HATES the secondary market! That kind of surprises me. Firstly, because in many respects Laz is the secondary market. Moreover, the prices in the secondary market very much determine what price he can sell his artists' prints/works for, as well as increasing the value of his own vast collection. I don't think for one second that Laz has any problems with Mic's works selling for £10,000s at auction for example. My feeling is the prices of the Laz Mic's were very much determined by the prices 21st CL was reaching on Ebay at the time of release. In fact, I would go as far as saying without the Secondary Market I don't think Laz would sell many prints at this price. If people didn't believe they'd be able to sell their Laz Mics for at least as much as they paid for them (preferably much more), I don't think many would spend almost £5K on a giclee. The fact that the prints didn't sell out until the recent increased hype, proves this point. Therefore, no secondary market very few sales IMO. Laz is a shrewd businessman, who is well aware of this. It is only an opinion and one that I have heard many times by people in the know! And you are spot on when you say that the secondary market is what helps make his artists the success that they are today. I think when I say the secondary market I am not talking about you or me buying a face value print, finding out a year later that you could sell it for 10x the price and cashing in. I think its the people that buy up what they can, who don't care for the art but buy just for the chance to make a quick buck! And how can you explain their reluctance to authenticate Banksy artwork outside of the registered print runs? Not talking about street art (which we all know is where it should stay) I am talking about the gifts that Banksy has done for other artists, DJ's, etc etc and these people have then sold on. I know of one particular piece, its 100% genuine, hand sprayed as a thankyou and given by Laz himself to someone for a job well done, this is now with someone else and whilst Laz agrees verbally that this is genuine he will not put anything in writing to say so!! Another rumour for you, Christies are apparently fed up with the reluctance of someone to authenticate work and so are considering appointing an expert to research and authenticate art from Banksy in a similar way to the Warhol society!? Should be interesting!! Nothing against Laz here by the way, he represents Banksy and as his commodity I guess he can do what he wants with it! |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Danger Mouse on Jul 25, 2007 9:58:21 GMT 1, Hey Rillo
What are the 2 prints at the bottom that we can't see? Any chance of posting pics of those too?
Hey Rillo
What are the 2 prints at the bottom that we can't see? Any chance of posting pics of those too?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by rillo on Jul 25, 2007 11:05:16 GMT 1, Hey Rillo What are the 2 prints at the bottom that we can't see? Any chance of posting pics of those too?
They are not prints. Logan Hicks; spraypaint on board.
Hey Rillo What are the 2 prints at the bottom that we can't see? Any chance of posting pics of those too? They are not prints. Logan Hicks; spraypaint on board. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jipsy on Jul 25, 2007 11:11:04 GMT 1, Amazing collection rillo, thanks for sharing +1.
Amazing collection rillo, thanks for sharing +1.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by headphonesex on Jul 25, 2007 11:26:21 GMT 1, Hey Rillo What are the 2 prints at the bottom that we can't see? Any chance of posting pics of those too? They are not prints. Logan Hicks; spraypaint on board.
I really like that barbed wire Logan Hicks...the only thing of his i've ever remotely liked.
Hey Rillo What are the 2 prints at the bottom that we can't see? Any chance of posting pics of those too? They are not prints. Logan Hicks; spraypaint on board. I really like that barbed wire Logan Hicks...the only thing of his i've ever remotely liked. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by cashman on Jul 25, 2007 12:23:52 GMT 1, I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself?
I spoke to eyestorm around the time of the micallef show and was quoted £7,500 for the original heads and apparently AM thought that he was charging too much at that price, so id say its got more to do with laz
I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself? I spoke to eyestorm around the time of the micallef show and was quoted £7,500 for the original heads and apparently AM thought that he was charging too much at that price, so id say its got more to do with laz |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jonpud on Jul 25, 2007 13:13:59 GMT 1, I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself? I spoke to eyestorm around the time of the micallef show and was quoted £7,500 for the original heads and apparently AM thought that he was charging too much at that price, so id say its got more to do with laz
From what I've heard I would tend to agree with you!
I called Remy at Laz when the 3 Mic prints became available. I was after some kind of deal, any kind of deal regarding the 4k+vat price. He wouldn't budge and informed that he (Laz) was selling the prints at a price instructed by the artist. So if anyones to blame for the crazy out of reach prices is it Anthony Micallef himself? I spoke to eyestorm around the time of the micallef show and was quoted £7,500 for the original heads and apparently AM thought that he was charging too much at that price, so id say its got more to do with laz From what I've heard I would tend to agree with you! |
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