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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Curley on May 17, 2007 16:57:15 GMT 1, Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems That would certainly go a long way to resolving the issue of fakes in the market. Though, I have issues with somebody exploiting an artist's work for commercial advantage without the permission of that artist. Call me an old fashioned supporter of the notion of copyright.
i completely agree with copyright protection but i just wanted to point out that Repros are nothing new to the artworld.
i think repro's should be treated the same a band doing a cover version of a track where by the original composer receives a royalty. Problem is how to police it.
Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems That would certainly go a long way to resolving the issue of fakes in the market. Though, I have issues with somebody exploiting an artist's work for commercial advantage without the permission of that artist. Call me an old fashioned supporter of the notion of copyright. i completely agree with copyright protection but i just wanted to point out that Repros are nothing new to the artworld. i think repro's should be treated the same a band doing a cover version of a track where by the original composer receives a royalty. Problem is how to police it. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by dave313perry on May 17, 2007 17:00:12 GMT 1, yeah, im a fan so would insist on a tribute embossed stamp, i woudnt want to jepodise my own investments either! but mr china man would not be so bothered, think this may be a growing feature of concern though as the world is awakened!!! 
yeah, im a fan so would insist on a tribute embossed stamp, i woudnt want to jepodise my own investments either! but mr china man would not be so bothered, think this may be a growing feature of concern though as the world is awakened!!! |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 22:00:06 GMT 1, Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't.
I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission.
Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object.
Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't.
I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission.
Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Curley on May 17, 2007 22:42:33 GMT 1, Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't. I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission. Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object.
Completely agree it should be with the artists permission however in the case of music if a band covers another bands song im fairly certain permission is not required in order to make and sell a recording. The copyright is in the lyrics not the recording itself
All the song writing royalties however do go to to writer of the original music and are collected by the artists music publisher, they will also be credited on the label along with the publishers credit.
dont get me wrong im not in favour mass marketing of these repros at £400 i would rather buy an original print ;D
Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't. I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission. Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object. Completely agree it should be with the artists permission however in the case of music if a band covers another bands song im fairly certain permission is not required in order to make and sell a recording. The copyright is in the lyrics not the recording itself All the song writing royalties however do go to to writer of the original music and are collected by the artists music publisher, they will also be credited on the label along with the publishers credit. dont get me wrong im not in favour mass marketing of these repros at £400 i would rather buy an original print ;D |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 23:31:55 GMT 1, We're kind of getting off the point, but every recorded piece of music has 2 sets of rights:
1. (c) in the composition of the music and of the lyrics; and
2. (c) in the sound-recording.
It's true that if a band records a direct cover of a track, they don't have to approach the owner of the original copyright directly for permission. However, permission is required. If you don't approach the owner of the (c), you must obtain a mechanical license from the relevant collecting society. In the UK this is the MCPS-PRS. The MCPS has set rates and will collect the royalties on behalf of the (c) owner. Though, people often prefer approaching the artist directly, as it may well be possible to negotiate a better royalty rate in that way.
Interestingly, if the cover version in any way deviates from the original - e.g. the arrangement is changed or the composition is adapted - you can only seek permission from the owner of the (c).
Anyway as we both seem to agree in principle, enough on music (c) and back to the visual arts.
We're kind of getting off the point, but every recorded piece of music has 2 sets of rights:
1. (c) in the composition of the music and of the lyrics; and
2. (c) in the sound-recording.
It's true that if a band records a direct cover of a track, they don't have to approach the owner of the original copyright directly for permission. However, permission is required. If you don't approach the owner of the (c), you must obtain a mechanical license from the relevant collecting society. In the UK this is the MCPS-PRS. The MCPS has set rates and will collect the royalties on behalf of the (c) owner. Though, people often prefer approaching the artist directly, as it may well be possible to negotiate a better royalty rate in that way.
Interestingly, if the cover version in any way deviates from the original - e.g. the arrangement is changed or the composition is adapted - you can only seek permission from the owner of the (c).
Anyway as we both seem to agree in principle, enough on music (c) and back to the visual arts.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Curley on May 18, 2007 8:23:48 GMT 1, We're kind of getting off the point, but every recorded piece of music has 2 sets of rights: 1. (c) in the composition of the music and of the lyrics; and 2. (c) in the sound-recording. It's true that if a band records a direct cover of a track, they don't have to approach the owner of the original copyright directly for permission. However, permission is required. If you don't approach the owner of the (c), you must obtain a mechanical license from the relevant collecting society. In the UK this is the MCPS-PRS. The MCPS has set rates and will collect the royalties on behalf of the (c) owner. Though, people often prefer approaching the artist directly, as it may well be possible to negotiate a better royalty rate in that way. Interestingly, if the cover version in any way deviates from the original - e.g. the arrangement is changed or the composition is adapted - you can only seek permission from the owner of the (c). Anyway as we both seem to agree in principle, enough on music (c) and back to the visual arts.
thats spot on. i was going check my facts when i got into the office this morning but i think you have hit the nail on the head there ;D ;D ;D ;D
We're kind of getting off the point, but every recorded piece of music has 2 sets of rights: 1. (c) in the composition of the music and of the lyrics; and 2. (c) in the sound-recording. It's true that if a band records a direct cover of a track, they don't have to approach the owner of the original copyright directly for permission. However, permission is required. If you don't approach the owner of the (c), you must obtain a mechanical license from the relevant collecting society. In the UK this is the MCPS-PRS. The MCPS has set rates and will collect the royalties on behalf of the (c) owner. Though, people often prefer approaching the artist directly, as it may well be possible to negotiate a better royalty rate in that way. Interestingly, if the cover version in any way deviates from the original - e.g. the arrangement is changed or the composition is adapted - you can only seek permission from the owner of the (c). Anyway as we both seem to agree in principle, enough on music (c) and back to the visual arts. thats spot on. i was going check my facts when i got into the office this morning but i think you have hit the nail on the head there ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by weeble on May 18, 2007 9:46:35 GMT 1, looks awesome verbal! your mate is very talented
looks awesome verbal! your mate is very talented |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by daniel3886 on Mar 3, 2007 12:33:46 GMT 1, i'd like to buy one of these seen the one on the bay for £5250
if anyone is thinking of selling please let me know
regards
danny
pm me offers
i'd like to buy one of these seen the one on the bay for £5250
if anyone is thinking of selling please let me know
regards
danny
pm me offers
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Jamesy Wamesy on Mar 3, 2007 18:53:11 GMT 1, Hi
i have sent you a PM.
Thanks
James
Hi
i have sent you a PM.
Thanks
James
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 27, 2007 18:13:08 GMT 1, Are there any about?
At all?
Please...
Are there any about?
At all?
Please...
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by ABC on May 27, 2007 19:17:14 GMT 1, yes, 95 I believe
yes, 95 I believe
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 27, 2007 19:18:53 GMT 1, Thanks Ant... ;D
Thanks Ant... ;D
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by ABC on May 27, 2007 19:21:06 GMT 1, Sorry Mike, had too. The one Mr Tort sold on the bay for 3.3k seemed a resonable price.
Sorry Mike, had too. The one Mr Tort sold on the bay for 3.3k seemed a resonable price.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 27, 2007 19:27:41 GMT 1, Sorry Mike, had too. The one Mr Tort sold on the bay for 3.3k seemed a resonable price.
I know, I got caught up at work and missed the end of that auction 
Sorry Mike, had too. The one Mr Tort sold on the bay for 3.3k seemed a resonable price. I know, I got caught up at work and missed the end of that auction |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by ABC on May 27, 2007 19:31:41 GMT 1, I was tempted but im sure the wife would have removed my limbs in a slow process if I had have.
I was tempted but im sure the wife would have removed my limbs in a slow process if I had have.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 27, 2007 19:39:44 GMT 1, ;D
I'm going to get that fate if I don't get one!
;D
I'm going to get that fate if I don't get one!
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by ABC on May 27, 2007 19:51:02 GMT 1, Lucky you, take a couple of paracetamol before she begins and you should be fine.
Lucky you, take a couple of paracetamol before she begins and you should be fine.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 28, 2007 12:42:04 GMT 1, BUMP
Still in danger of being killed for not getting one... tried to suggest a Matt Small original instead but it's not happening... Can anyone help....
BUMP
Still in danger of being killed for not getting one... tried to suggest a Matt Small original instead but it's not happening... Can anyone help....
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by verbalkint on May 28, 2007 15:14:56 GMT 1, opus has one i reckon, wont be cheap though
opus has one i reckon, wont be cheap though
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by verbalkint on May 28, 2007 15:17:27 GMT 1, actually, do you remember the one on ebay a month or so ago and the seller had 0 feedback, there was a debate if it was real or not, i vouched for the guy as i knew he was a collector. well he said he had 2, he sold one off of ebay for £4k, i still have his email address somewhere in my 5463 undeleted messages, do you want me to find it for you mike?
actually, do you remember the one on ebay a month or so ago and the seller had 0 feedback, there was a debate if it was real or not, i vouched for the guy as i knew he was a collector. well he said he had 2, he sold one off of ebay for £4k, i still have his email address somewhere in my 5463 undeleted messages, do you want me to find it for you mike?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 28, 2007 16:38:07 GMT 1, Yes please verbal... that would be great
Thanks buddy...
Yes please verbal... that would be great
Thanks buddy...
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by stuey09 on May 28, 2007 16:46:47 GMT 1, No real need to mention avoiding Opus. Their prices for Micallef are outragous at the moment. Have you tried Frankie? don't know if he's got one but he may know someone who does.
No real need to mention avoiding Opus. Their prices for Micallef are outragous at the moment. Have you tried Frankie? don't know if he's got one but he may know someone who does.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by slowmo on May 28, 2007 17:10:57 GMT 1, Depending on money here, Eyestorm Exeter definitely have one, but it will cost you £5.5K
Depending on money here, Eyestorm Exeter definitely have one, but it will cost you £5.5K
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on May 28, 2007 17:26:15 GMT 1, I'll give Frankie a shout... I missed that one at £3,300 and am gutted... I will pay a bit more than that, but not go mad
I'll give Frankie a shout... I missed that one at £3,300 and am gutted... I will pay a bit more than that, but not go mad
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by justinkase on Jul 3, 2007 17:59:11 GMT 1, I'm selling my 21st Century Love full prov from Eyestorm. Serious offers only.
Thanks
I'm selling my 21st Century Love full prov from Eyestorm. Serious offers only.
Thanks
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by justinkase on Jul 3, 2007 23:54:01 GMT 1, Thanks for all the interest guys. Unfortunately, I can't do any trades right now. Need the cash.
Thanks for all the interest guys. Unfortunately, I can't do any trades right now. Need the cash.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by peggysue on Jul 4, 2007 16:21:00 GMT 1, Sent you a PM Just. Is this still available?
Sent you a PM Just. Is this still available?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Jamesy Wamesy on Jun 26, 2007 23:48:19 GMT 1, This guy bought it for around £5k on ebay around the start of the year... Had it up for £20K but didn't sell...
This guy bought it for around £5k on ebay around the start of the year... Had it up for £20K but didn't sell...
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by ©hief' on Jun 27, 2007 0:11:00 GMT 1, Oh, that one again. Still not sold? A little overpriced maybe?..........
Oh, that one again. Still not sold? A little overpriced maybe?..........
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