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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Oct 3, 2014 15:30:50 GMT 1, And while you're crunching those numbers let us know what Basquiat was selling his work for in the first 5 years of his career? You can add the inflation rate to your figure.
Hint: I heard he was selling works for about $100. 
And while you're crunching those numbers let us know what Basquiat was selling his work for in the first 5 years of his career? You can add the inflation rate to your figure. Hint: I heard he was selling works for about $100. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 15:59:52 GMT 1, I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.
I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 16:19:15 GMT 1, This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no?
There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today.
This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no? There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by nrgball on Oct 3, 2014 16:23:15 GMT 1, I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast.
RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both.
I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention
I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast.
RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both.
I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 16:35:15 GMT 1, This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant.
I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either.
As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style.
There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown.
As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle.
This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant. I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either. As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style. There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Oct 3, 2014 16:42:49 GMT 1, Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no? There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today.
I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework.
Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no? There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today. Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 16:48:32 GMT 1, I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast. RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both. I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention
I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original.
If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped.
I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast. RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both. I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original. If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 16:53:30 GMT 1, There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today. Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework.
From the New York Times.
While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said.
www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.html
There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today. Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. From the New York Times. While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said. www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.html |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 16:59:08 GMT 1, So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant. I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either. As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style. There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle.
PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist.
So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant. I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either. As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style. There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle. I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 17:09:05 GMT 1, I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either. As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style. There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle. I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist.
The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure.
I've seen both of their work in person if that's what you're asking. I don't own either. As for as the similarities between their styles, it goes far beyond being childlike and primitive. RAE uses similar color palettes in most of his work, he uses similar compositions, he paints similar subject matter, and most importantly, he draws his figures in an almost identical style. There are nearly limitless ways you could draw a human figure primitively. It defies logic and reason to think that it's merely coincidence RAE draws his figures in a nearly identical way. Especially when you consider Basquiat was a world-renowned artist in RAE's hometown. As for the difference between RAE and Basquiat, the differences in their lifestyles is irrelevant. It's Basquiat's artistic style that RAE has borrowed, not his lifestyle. I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Oct 3, 2014 17:11:32 GMT 1, Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. From the New York Times. While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said. www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.html
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But what radically changed the art world by the time Basquiat entered the scene was money. In the early 1980s, Wall Street's bull market engendered an interesting offspring: SoHo's bull market. The new money of the eighties was increasingly invested into art. By 1983, the art market in New York alone, was estimated at $2 billion. Gallery dealers became power players, barely distinguishable in lingo and lifestyle from their Wall Street clientele. Banks began accepting art as collateral for loans. Corporations began stockpiling important contemporary-art collections. Every weekend, SoHo was clogged with a parade of art lovers slumming at openings. At auction houses, packed rooms applauded as records were set for everything from van Gogh's "Irises"--$53.9 million--to $17 million for "False Start" by Jasper Johns.
Where are you getting your facts? A simple google search will reveal Basquait could sell anything his first 3 years of painting. He was considered to have a poor graffiti hand-style in the scene and only after the stock market started to boom in the 80's and he met Warhol did his career start to take off. I'm open to having an educated debate as you keep claiming to do, but you haven't done your homework. From the New York Times. While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said. www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.htmlAlso from the Ny Times: www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/hoban-basquiat.htmlBut what radically changed the art world by the time Basquiat entered the scene was money. In the early 1980s, Wall Street's bull market engendered an interesting offspring: SoHo's bull market. The new money of the eighties was increasingly invested into art. By 1983, the art market in New York alone, was estimated at $2 billion. Gallery dealers became power players, barely distinguishable in lingo and lifestyle from their Wall Street clientele. Banks began accepting art as collateral for loans. Corporations began stockpiling important contemporary-art collections. Every weekend, SoHo was clogged with a parade of art lovers slumming at openings. At auction houses, packed rooms applauded as records were set for everything from van Gogh's "Irises"--$53.9 million--to $17 million for "False Start" by Jasper Johns. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 17:18:48 GMT 1, From the New York Times. While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said. www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.htmlAlso from the Ny Times: www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/hoban-basquiat.htmlBut what radically changed the art world by the time Basquiat entered the scene was money. In the early 1980s, Wall Street's bull market engendered an interesting offspring: SoHo's bull market. The new money of the eighties was increasingly invested into art. By 1983, the art market in New York alone, was estimated at $2 billion. Gallery dealers became power players, barely distinguishable in lingo and lifestyle from their Wall Street clientele. Banks began accepting art as collateral for loans. Corporations began stockpiling important contemporary-art collections. Every weekend, SoHo was clogged with a parade of art lovers slumming at openings. At auction houses, packed rooms applauded as records were set for everything from van Gogh's "Irises"--$53.9 million--to $17 million for "False Start" by Jasper Johns.
So? You claimed he was selling work for $100. In reality, he was selling paintings for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. There's no lack of money in the art world today to suppress the value of RAE's work. The exact opposite is true.
From the New York Times. While still in his early 20's, his work was shown at leading SoHo galleries, including the Annina Nosei Gallery and the Mary Boone Gallery, and his work was exhibited in galleries from SoHo to Paris, Tokyo and Dusseldorf. His paintings sold for $25,000 to $50,000, Mr. Baghoomian said. www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/specials/basquiat-obit.htmlAlso from the Ny Times: www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/hoban-basquiat.htmlBut what radically changed the art world by the time Basquiat entered the scene was money. In the early 1980s, Wall Street's bull market engendered an interesting offspring: SoHo's bull market. The new money of the eighties was increasingly invested into art. By 1983, the art market in New York alone, was estimated at $2 billion. Gallery dealers became power players, barely distinguishable in lingo and lifestyle from their Wall Street clientele. Banks began accepting art as collateral for loans. Corporations began stockpiling important contemporary-art collections. Every weekend, SoHo was clogged with a parade of art lovers slumming at openings. At auction houses, packed rooms applauded as records were set for everything from van Gogh's "Irises"--$53.9 million--to $17 million for "False Start" by Jasper Johns. So? You claimed he was selling work for $100. In reality, he was selling paintings for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. There's no lack of money in the art world today to suppress the value of RAE's work. The exact opposite is true. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 17:22:29 GMT 1, I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure.
I'm not saying that Rae is better than basquiat, obvious that he is still a young artist who will grow and who is developing his own style. (we want to give him a few years of time, or claim that do millions of euro after 5 years?) Basquiat and rae are totally different, surely he will be inspired to basquiat, as well as basquiat was inspired by Dubuffet and Cy Twombly. I hope you know what I'm talking about;) PS The lifestyle is very important and significant in order to understand the work of an artist. The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 17:32:44 GMT 1, The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents
Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head.
The lifestyle is important to understanding an artist's work. But I think you see other artists' lives reflected more in RAE's work than his own. Maybe he will develop a more unique style. I hope he does. But for now that lack of originality is limiting the market for his work in my opinion. I don't think it's for any lack of exposure. Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 17:51:38 GMT 1, Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head. 
Originality?Have you seen the last two Rae's Show? Bodega show And Ferengi fresh? You think rae lack originality? In my opinion, the originality is the only thing that is not lacking, especially when compared to many other artists considered much more .....my two cents Yes, I saw them. And I saw the same influences in his work. In my opinion, the comparisons to Basquiat are valid and unless he goes in a very different direction, he'll always have that hanging over his head. Piero Manzoni (italian artist ) has always had the weight of Yves Klein on the head ... and does anyway million euro at auctions! |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by mpow on Oct 3, 2014 22:01:27 GMT 1, Agree...Stunning piece in person on display in Brooklyn alongside another killer work by Dain.
Agree...Stunning piece in person on display in Brooklyn alongside another killer work by Dain.
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by nrgball on Oct 3, 2014 23:48:39 GMT 1, I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast. RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both. I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original. If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped.Β
I get what you're saying about RAE not innovating the style. That's fair.
But your logic in saying that $1000 originals would remain unsold if he had fewer similarities with other artists makes little sense. Folks might just not like those works. And just because an artist makes something original does not equate to a certain value.
I think RAE is just starting to develop a fan base. I also think his fan base would grow much faster were he able to skip the hooligans of the EB and UAA crowds. His work would translate much better in a contemporary scene. His work doesn't translate so well in the street art community. All my opinion of course.
RAE has sold works up to $4k which is fairly solid for any emerging artist. The fact that a couple of works on paper means little in the scheme of a career. Time will tell where he ends up. You or I will have little to do with it and the squabbles of this thread will dissipate.
I do think RAEs sculpture work is quite progressive and adds an element to his work that is very different from basquiat. If you're unable to see it, fair enough.
I also think that there is a wonderful exercise in developing skills by mirroring another's work. Eventually RAEs own stories and voice will shine through as he moves through the work of those who have influenced him.
Must we forget that Shakespeare borrowed and stole from many playwrites before him. His legacy remains while history holds the others who fed his voice in the dusty corners of history books. There was a time when artists were flattered and respected for borrowing from another. It leads to refinement and mastery under the right circumstances. In other words, don't be so quick to lay judgement on a single point of time.
I hope for RAEs sake that this is all still beginning. I have a strong belief and a sneaking feeling that it just may be.
I will give it to you that there are similarities between Basquiat and RAE. Rae was certAinly influenced by others as well, including Bast. RAE has lived a very different life than Basquiat. And his subject matter is reflected as such. They come from completely different mind states. RAE is coherent and has a family whereas Basquiat was often wandering the streets and not exactly in his right mind. Basquiat had a raw stream of consciousness who, were it not for Warhol, many would have never known that he existed. Like Basquiat, RAE was influenced by the streets of NY but they lived in very different times and with very different life experiences. I think both wove that life experience through their work, the asthetic is similar but the subject matter is personal to both. I have watched RAE evoke over the last 4 years and though his pieces are very hit and miss for me. I can see that his skills have gotten stronger. I have always felt that his real strength is in sculpture. After the bodega show, I was blown away by his ability to cohesively transform that space. It was definitively one of the most incredible installations I've seen in person. I see him pushing himself constantly and though is voice may sometimes be clouded by the influence of Basquiat, there is massive talent that goes beyond stencils and screen printing. RAE understands composition and has clearly honed his craft in the past 5 years. I for one am paying attention I don't disagree with you that he has other influences, or that he has artistic talent. I'm simply saying that those influences are perhaps a bit too pronounced for his work to be perceived as overly original. If there were fewer similarities between his work and other artists (primarily Basquiat), I think there would be a larger market for his work. And I don't think you'd see $1,000 originals hanging around for sale a week after they dropped.Β I get what you're saying about RAE not innovating the style. That's fair. But your logic in saying that $1000 originals would remain unsold if he had fewer similarities with other artists makes little sense. Folks might just not like those works. And just because an artist makes something original does not equate to a certain value. I think RAE is just starting to develop a fan base. I also think his fan base would grow much faster were he able to skip the hooligans of the EB and UAA crowds. His work would translate much better in a contemporary scene. His work doesn't translate so well in the street art community. All my opinion of course. RAE has sold works up to $4k which is fairly solid for any emerging artist. The fact that a couple of works on paper means little in the scheme of a career. Time will tell where he ends up. You or I will have little to do with it and the squabbles of this thread will dissipate. I do think RAEs sculpture work is quite progressive and adds an element to his work that is very different from basquiat. If you're unable to see it, fair enough. I also think that there is a wonderful exercise in developing skills by mirroring another's work. Eventually RAEs own stories and voice will shine through as he moves through the work of those who have influenced him. Must we forget that Shakespeare borrowed and stole from many playwrites before him. His legacy remains while history holds the others who fed his voice in the dusty corners of history books. There was a time when artists were flattered and respected for borrowing from another. It leads to refinement and mastery under the right circumstances. In other words, don't be so quick to lay judgement on a single point of time. I hope for RAEs sake that this is all still beginning. I have a strong belief and a sneaking feeling that it just may be. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by mega on Oct 4, 2014 4:44:17 GMT 1, I love RAE...I have some originals on thick paper and a couple of prints...the quality is excellent, I love his use of colors and the overall appearance of his work...I am no art expert for sure but obviously to my untrained eye - I can see the influence of Basquait - That being said - I also know even with my limited knowledge that Basquait was influenced by others that came before him. I find RAE refreshing, thought provoking, simple and complicated...I always look forward to seeing what his next work will be and watching his progress...that is enough for me to want to buy his work....While I don't necessarily agree with Randomname's opinions - I am enjoying watching the discussion and learning- so thank you...
I love RAE...I have some originals on thick paper and a couple of prints...the quality is excellent, I love his use of colors and the overall appearance of his work...I am no art expert for sure but obviously to my untrained eye - I can see the influence of Basquait - That being said - I also know even with my limited knowledge that Basquait was influenced by others that came before him. I find RAE refreshing, thought provoking, simple and complicated...I always look forward to seeing what his next work will be and watching his progress...that is enough for me to want to buy his work....While I don't necessarily agree with Randomname's opinions - I am enjoying watching the discussion and learning- so thank you...
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 4, 2014 9:43:27 GMT 1, Really like the blue, thanks for posting.. What price are these?
Really like the blue, thanks for posting.. What price are these?
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by .dappy on Oct 4, 2014 9:51:24 GMT 1,
I really like the red ...
I really like the red ... |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Martin DK on Oct 4, 2014 10:02:20 GMT 1, Really like the blue, thanks for posting.. What price are these?
Liking that Blue color
Really like the blue, thanks for posting.. What price are these? Sorry. No idea on price, just found the photos Liking that Blue color |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by LAZAKY on Oct 4, 2014 10:15:19 GMT 1, Definitely like those! Gonna have a look at this release!
Thanks for the head up guys!
Definitely like those! Gonna have a look at this release! Thanks for the head up guys! |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 4, 2014 10:22:02 GMT 1, The blue in awesone. Really want it!
The blue in awesone. Really want it!
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by thriftypix on Oct 4, 2014 16:25:24 GMT 1, Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done?
Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done?
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Momo on Oct 4, 2014 16:31:01 GMT 1, I don't really like the aesthetics of RAEs pieces. What is he going for, expressing or representing with his work.. Would love to understand what it is you all see..
I don't really like the aesthetics of RAEs pieces. What is he going for, expressing or representing with his work.. Would love to understand what it is you all see..
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by petro on Oct 4, 2014 18:26:08 GMT 1, Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done?
Looking at the IG photos of the new "prints", and the way they're lying on the floor - completely flat, with no bowing - I wonder whether these might have been printed and painted on some kind of art board, rather than paper. A new approach, perhaps, for Mister RAE? Or is that the way, say, Jug was done? I was wondering the same thing. Either it's a new, thicker paper, or possibly art board. Really excited for this one. Would love to pick up both. |
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RAE BK πΊπΈ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by thriftypix on Oct 4, 2014 18:40:37 GMT 1, Agreed. If only I had the money for both! At first I was drawn more to ANYTOWN, USA. Now I'm really liking the simpler, but maybe more striking composition (and blue) of YOU. Decisions decisions...
Agreed. If only I had the money for both! At first I was drawn more to ANYTOWN, USA. Now I'm really liking the simpler, but maybe more striking composition (and blue) of YOU. Decisions decisions...
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