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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by BONZO on Mar 30, 2010 19:39:45 GMT 1, gash
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by manty on Mar 30, 2010 19:48:15 GMT 1, Really cool article for Cartrain. Whether you like it or not, the kid is nesting in the art world... :-) Art is no longer a question of artistic talent, it is a question of communication. And come on, one can often see real s**ts in galleries with 2 or 3 more zeroes on price tag than Cartrain's.
So can I ask what this is communicating to you?
Really cool article for Cartrain. Whether you like it or not, the kid is nesting in the art world... :-) Art is no longer a question of artistic talent, it is a question of communication. And come on, one can often see real s**ts in galleries with 2 or 3 more zeroes on price tag than Cartrain's. So can I ask what this is communicating to you? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by aspyhole on Mar 30, 2010 20:11:18 GMT 1, Do you think he will come across more problems with the reproduction of that dollar bill?!
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Do you think he will come across more problems with the reproduction of that dollar bill?!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 30, 2010 20:37:41 GMT 1, So can I ask what this is communicating to you?
What ? the article or Cartrain's art ? or the fact that there is worst shit in galleries ?
Not knowing what you wanted to know I'll tell youwhat Ithink about the three :
The article : as I said, it shows that Cartrain got a good media coverage through his theft of pencils. He got fame in national and even international media for that deed. Art journalists or art galleries might have an eye on him from now. So whether you like it or not, if some influent people decide Cartrain is "the hype of the moment" artist, he will be. His art could have not a big influence on that.
Cartrain's art : Well to me what he does is poor photoshop stuff. stencils are banksy copycatting. collages are mainly based on Hirst. So what is communicating that a punchy performance is enough to attract the media attention, especially with a polemic. Proof : Cartrain's threads are always active. Bad or good publicity is always publicity and artists need publicity.
Shit in galleries : The fact that what appears to be shit to most people will be considered gold by a population of self-proclaimed connoisseurs or specialists and collectors who make the market. If tomorrow, a François Pinault is appalled by Cartrain's daring thief deed, or a collage or two and put them in his contemporary art collection in Venice, believe me, Cartrain will suddenly become a new Hirst. Most of people might consider what he does is shit, it won't change anything to the fact his art will be worth several grands. What I'm saying is that people in forums are not the ones who decide whether art is good and worthy. It's collectors, galleries and art critics. That's my belief.
Just like on stock exchange, market is always right. Even when he's wrong. ;-)
Cartrain did win a point. But I guess he still has to prove he can do more and better.
PS : I'm not a Cartrain fan. I'm not a collector of his works, I only have a "RANSOM" print. I have no interest in pushing him up. It's just for the pleasure of debate :-)
So can I ask what this is communicating to you?
What ? the article or Cartrain's art ? or the fact that there is worst shit in galleries ?
Not knowing what you wanted to know I'll tell youwhat Ithink about the three :
The article : as I said, it shows that Cartrain got a good media coverage through his theft of pencils. He got fame in national and even international media for that deed. Art journalists or art galleries might have an eye on him from now. So whether you like it or not, if some influent people decide Cartrain is "the hype of the moment" artist, he will be. His art could have not a big influence on that.
Cartrain's art : Well to me what he does is poor photoshop stuff. stencils are banksy copycatting. collages are mainly based on Hirst. So what is communicating that a punchy performance is enough to attract the media attention, especially with a polemic. Proof : Cartrain's threads are always active. Bad or good publicity is always publicity and artists need publicity.
Shit in galleries : The fact that what appears to be shit to most people will be considered gold by a population of self-proclaimed connoisseurs or specialists and collectors who make the market. If tomorrow, a François Pinault is appalled by Cartrain's daring thief deed, or a collage or two and put them in his contemporary art collection in Venice, believe me, Cartrain will suddenly become a new Hirst. Most of people might consider what he does is shit, it won't change anything to the fact his art will be worth several grands. What I'm saying is that people in forums are not the ones who decide whether art is good and worthy. It's collectors, galleries and art critics. That's my belief.
Just like on stock exchange, market is always right. Even when he's wrong. ;-)
Cartrain did win a point. But I guess he still has to prove he can do more and better.
PS : I'm not a Cartrain fan. I'm not a collector of his works, I only have a "RANSOM" print. I have no interest in pushing him up. It's just for the pleasure of debate :-)
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Mar 30, 2010 22:03:16 GMT 1, Shocking
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by nigelbgg on Mar 30, 2010 23:51:22 GMT 1, That article is typical PR paid for art waffle, the writer should be ashamed, you can't polish a turd.
That article is typical PR paid for art waffle, the writer should be ashamed, you can't polish a turd.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by topper007 on Mar 31, 2010 10:44:07 GMT 1, So can I ask what this is communicating to you? What ? the article or Cartrain's art ? or the fact that there is worst s**t in galleries ? Not knowing what you wanted to know I'll tell youwhat Ithink about the three : The article : as I said, it shows that Cartrain got a good media coverage through his theft of pencils. He got fame in national and even international media for that deed. Art journalists or art galleries might have an eye on him from now. So whether you like it or not, if some influent people decide Cartrain is "the hype of the moment" artist, he will be. His art could have not a big influence on that. Cartrain's art : Well to me what he does is poor photoshop stuff. stencils are banksy copycatting. collages are mainly based on Hirst. So what is communicating that a punchy performance is enough to attract the media attention, especially with a polemic. Proof : Cartrain's threads are always active. Bad or good publicity is always publicity and artists need publicity. s**t in galleries : The fact that what appears to be s**t to most people will be considered gold by a population of self-proclaimed connoisseurs or specialists and collectors who make the market. If tomorrow, a FranΓ§ois Pinault is appalled by Cartrain's daring thief deed, or a collage or two and put them in his contemporary art collection in Venice, believe me, Cartrain will suddenly become a new Hirst. Most of people might consider what he does is s**t, it won't change anything to the fact his art will be worth several grands. What I'm saying is that people in forums are not the ones who decide whether art is good and worthy. It's collectors, galleries and art critics. That's my belief. Just like on stock exchange, market is always right. Even when he's wrong. ;-) Cartrain did win a point. But I guess he still has to prove he can do more and better. PS : I'm not a Cartrain fan. I'm not a collector of his works, I only have a "RANSOM" print. I have no interest in pushing him up. It's just for the pleasure of debate :-)
That's a very big "if" Cedric. At least you'd hope so.
So can I ask what this is communicating to you? What ? the article or Cartrain's art ? or the fact that there is worst s**t in galleries ? Not knowing what you wanted to know I'll tell youwhat Ithink about the three : The article : as I said, it shows that Cartrain got a good media coverage through his theft of pencils. He got fame in national and even international media for that deed. Art journalists or art galleries might have an eye on him from now. So whether you like it or not, if some influent people decide Cartrain is "the hype of the moment" artist, he will be. His art could have not a big influence on that. Cartrain's art : Well to me what he does is poor photoshop stuff. stencils are banksy copycatting. collages are mainly based on Hirst. So what is communicating that a punchy performance is enough to attract the media attention, especially with a polemic. Proof : Cartrain's threads are always active. Bad or good publicity is always publicity and artists need publicity. s**t in galleries : The fact that what appears to be s**t to most people will be considered gold by a population of self-proclaimed connoisseurs or specialists and collectors who make the market. If tomorrow, a François Pinault is appalled by Cartrain's daring thief deed, or a collage or two and put them in his contemporary art collection in Venice, believe me, Cartrain will suddenly become a new Hirst. Most of people might consider what he does is s**t, it won't change anything to the fact his art will be worth several grands. What I'm saying is that people in forums are not the ones who decide whether art is good and worthy. It's collectors, galleries and art critics. That's my belief. Just like on stock exchange, market is always right. Even when he's wrong. ;-) Cartrain did win a point. But I guess he still has to prove he can do more and better. PS : I'm not a Cartrain fan. I'm not a collector of his works, I only have a "RANSOM" print. I have no interest in pushing him up. It's just for the pleasure of debate :-) That's a very big "if" Cedric. At least you'd hope so. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 31, 2010 13:15:36 GMT 1, That's a very big "if", I totally agree :-) I'm not saying it will happen.
That's a very big "if", I totally agree :-) I'm not saying it will happen.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by alexnh123 on Mar 31, 2010 13:21:47 GMT 1, Give me a Cartrain piece over a Brainwash piece any day of the week.
why don't they colaborate? They can call themselves carwash! ;D
Give me a Cartrain piece over a Brainwash piece any day of the week. why don't they colaborate? They can call themselves carwash! ;D |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Prescription Art on Mar 31, 2010 13:25:28 GMT 1, why don't they colaborate? They can call themselves carwash! ;D
lol!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by walshy on Mar 31, 2010 13:26:14 GMT 1, What I'm saying is that people in forums are not the ones who decide whether art is good and worthy. It's collectors, galleries and art critics. That's my belief. Just like on stock exchange, market is always right. Even when he's wrong. ;-) Cartrain did win a point. But I guess he still has to prove he can do more and better.
I thought most people on forums were collectors ?
As for the stock exchange thing, how do we know his pieces even sell ? I mean ive never seen anyone admit to owning his Β£1000 works
What I'm saying is that people in forums are not the ones who decide whether art is good and worthy. It's collectors, galleries and art critics. That's my belief. Just like on stock exchange, market is always right. Even when he's wrong. ;-) Cartrain did win a point. But I guess he still has to prove he can do more and better. I thought most people on forums were collectors ? As for the stock exchange thing, how do we know his pieces even sell ? I mean ive never seen anyone admit to owning his Β£1000 works |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by BONZO on Mar 31, 2010 13:29:06 GMT 1, Give me a Cartrain piece over a Brainwash piece any day of the week. why don't they colaborate? They can call themselves carwash! ;D
or Mrs Braintrain!
Give me a Cartrain piece over a Brainwash piece any day of the week. why don't they colaborate? They can call themselves carwash! ;D or Mrs Braintrain! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 31, 2010 13:37:09 GMT 1, "I thought most people on forums were collectors ?
As for the stock exchange thing, how do we know his pieces even sell ? I mean ive never seen anyone admit to owning his Β£1000 works "
When saying collectors, I mean influential collectors who are more in the mainstream of arts. Who will show their collection to other rich collectors and influence them in their buyings. Not people buying a few prints a year (even if they are collectors too of course). I mean collectors who can buy original works in the 4-5+ zeros range. I doubt there are many here.
I don't know if his pieces do sell. From my I see on 100artworks he seems to sell not that bad. And I do have a collector contact who spent 2800 GBP on Cartrain's canvas. I think he bought 3 of them.
"I thought most people on forums were collectors ?
As for the stock exchange thing, how do we know his pieces even sell ? I mean ive never seen anyone admit to owning his Β£1000 works "
When saying collectors, I mean influential collectors who are more in the mainstream of arts. Who will show their collection to other rich collectors and influence them in their buyings. Not people buying a few prints a year (even if they are collectors too of course). I mean collectors who can buy original works in the 4-5+ zeros range. I doubt there are many here.
I don't know if his pieces do sell. From my I see on 100artworks he seems to sell not that bad. And I do have a collector contact who spent 2800 GBP on Cartrain's canvas. I think he bought 3 of them.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Ruggs on Mar 31, 2010 13:44:06 GMT 1, I purchased a piece from his recent show...
I purchased a piece from his recent show...
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by boaty on Mar 31, 2010 13:46:08 GMT 1, " When saying collectors, I mean influential collectors who are more in the mainstream of arts. Who will show their collection to other rich collectors and influence them in their buyings. Not people buying a few prints a year (even if they are collectors too of course). I mean collectors who can buy original works in the 4-5+ zeros range. I doubt there are many here. I don't know if his pieces do sell. From my I see on 100artworks he seems to sell not that bad. And I do have a collector contact who spent 2800 GBP on Cartrain's canvas. I think he bought 3 of them.
wouldn't be too sure about that - some of "them" and/or their minions are here watching - more than you would think, as of late..... 
" When saying collectors, I mean influential collectors who are more in the mainstream of arts. Who will show their collection to other rich collectors and influence them in their buyings. Not people buying a few prints a year (even if they are collectors too of course). I mean collectors who can buy original works in the 4-5+ zeros range. I doubt there are many here. I don't know if his pieces do sell. From my I see on 100artworks he seems to sell not that bad. And I do have a collector contact who spent 2800 GBP on Cartrain's canvas. I think he bought 3 of them. wouldn't be too sure about that - some of "them" and/or their minions are here watching - more than you would think, as of late..... |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 31, 2010 13:55:25 GMT 1, Well Ruggs it actually looks better than mine (Ransom). I bought the idea and buzz more than the art print in itself. (and I hope to flip it some time at a good price, it might take years !). It is the only art piece I bought for pure speculation. I bought my other pieces because I like them (Zeus, Gagnon, Jef Aerosol, Pahnl and soon an invader).
Well Ruggs it actually looks better than mine (Ransom). I bought the idea and buzz more than the art print in itself. (and I hope to flip it some time at a good price, it might take years !). It is the only art piece I bought for pure speculation. I bought my other pieces because I like them (Zeus, Gagnon, Jef Aerosol, Pahnl and soon an invader).
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by thegreatarchitect on Mar 31, 2010 14:34:04 GMT 1, That article is typical PR paid for art waffle, the writer should be ashamed, you can't polish a turd.
i have to disagree with you there Nigel I went to the show and though it was surprisingly stunning and marsterful with an intuitive artical to match
That article is typical PR paid for art waffle, the writer should be ashamed, you can't polish a turd. i have to disagree with you there Nigel I went to the show and though it was surprisingly stunning and marsterful with an intuitive artical to match |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by walshy on Mar 31, 2010 14:42:59 GMT 1,
Do you have a shot of it framed up and on the wall ?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Ruggs on Mar 31, 2010 15:10:26 GMT 1, Do you have a shot of it framed up and on the wall ?
No! Why? Should I.
Do you have a shot of it framed up and on the wall ? No! Why? Should I. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by walshy on Mar 31, 2010 15:16:34 GMT 1, Sorry, seemed to have hit a nerve. Its just you are the first person ive seen on here post shot of a Cartrain that they own and I thought it would be nice to see one in its full glory. Im glad you like it so much that you keep it stored nice and flat in a folder.
Sorry, seemed to have hit a nerve. Its just you are the first person ive seen on here post shot of a Cartrain that they own and I thought it would be nice to see one in its full glory. Im glad you like it so much that you keep it stored nice and flat in a folder.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Ruggs on Mar 31, 2010 15:23:35 GMT 1, No nerve struck, so don't apologise walshy. Firstly, I posted it on here because I DO like it. The pictures were taken approximately a fortnight ago, the very day I got it. It might get framed, I might not. We'll see. I don't give a flying f**k who likes or dislikes it. I've seen an awful lot of s**t art on here and this is not the worst by a long shot. I like it and that's what counts. Sorry to affend. Got ALL your art on the walls then?
No nerve struck, so don't apologise walshy. Firstly, I posted it on here because I DO like it. The pictures were taken approximately a fortnight ago, the very day I got it. It might get framed, I might not. We'll see. I don't give a flying f**k who likes or dislikes it. I've seen an awful lot of s**t art on here and this is not the worst by a long shot. I like it and that's what counts. Sorry to affend. Got ALL your art on the walls then?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by walshy on Mar 31, 2010 15:27:50 GMT 1, No nerve struck, so don't apologise walshy. Firstly, I posted it on here because I DO like it. The pictures were taken approximately a fortnight ago, the very day I got it. It might get framed, I might not. We'll see. I don't give a flying f**k who likes or dislikes it. I've seen an awful lot of s**t art on here and this is not the worst by a long shot. I like it and that's what counts. Sorry to affend. Got all your art on the walls then?
The good thing about taste is were all different.
As for my prints most are on the wall yes, but the ones I don't want are in the tubes. That way they stay mint
No nerve struck, so don't apologise walshy. Firstly, I posted it on here because I DO like it. The pictures were taken approximately a fortnight ago, the very day I got it. It might get framed, I might not. We'll see. I don't give a flying f**k who likes or dislikes it. I've seen an awful lot of s**t art on here and this is not the worst by a long shot. I like it and that's what counts. Sorry to affend. Got all your art on the walls then? The good thing about taste is were all different. As for my prints most are on the wall yes, but the ones I don't want are in the tubes. That way they stay mint |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Cedric Mnich on Mar 31, 2010 15:29:00 GMT 1, Keeping my RANSOM in the original package. Not framing it not worth the view in my home :-)
Keeping my RANSOM in the original package. Not framing it not worth the view in my home :-)
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by pingo on Mar 31, 2010 23:38:43 GMT 1, I also bought a Ransom print a while ago and I also framed it (in a 9Β£ frame) with the cardbord.
I bought the idea and the prank Cartrain pulled on Hirst, and I love it! And just face it, Cartrain is a master in communication trough the media. I belive that in a few years, my investment (I bought the print mostly for pure speculation) will pay of. The future collectors of Cartrains stuff are not members of this forum.. I belive it is the "art connoisseurs" who will be buying his stuff, and I have a ransom print to flip! ;D
I also bought a Ransom print a while ago and I also framed it (in a 9Β£ frame) with the cardbord.
I bought the idea and the prank Cartrain pulled on Hirst, and I love it! And just face it, Cartrain is a master in communication trough the media. I belive that in a few years, my investment (I bought the print mostly for pure speculation) will pay of. The future collectors of Cartrains stuff are not members of this forum.. I belive it is the "art connoisseurs" who will be buying his stuff, and I have a ransom print to flip! ;D
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Nico on Apr 1, 2010 7:46:29 GMT 1, I also bought a Ransom print a while ago and I also framed it (in a 9Β£ frame) with the cardbord. I bought the idea and the prank Cartrain pulled on Hirst, and I love it! And just face it, Cartrain is a master in communication trough the media. I belive that in a few years, my investment (I bought the print mostly for pure speculation) will pay of. The future collectors of Cartrains stuff are not members of this forum.. I belive it is the "art connoisseurs" who will be buying his stuff, and I have a ransom print to flip! ;D
WRONG!!!! 
Your so called art connoisseurs, the real ones, buy from artists...not people who know how to use the media. The media gets tired very quickly and move on to other things, only real talented artists remain.
If you bought in order to make money, being blind to the lack of talent, then you'll only get what you deserve...a bad investment!
Buy what you honestly like, that's keeeyyyyyy!!!! ;D
Peace
I also bought a Ransom print a while ago and I also framed it (in a 9Β£ frame) with the cardbord. I bought the idea and the prank Cartrain pulled on Hirst, and I love it! And just face it, Cartrain is a master in communication trough the media. I belive that in a few years, my investment (I bought the print mostly for pure speculation) will pay of. The future collectors of Cartrains stuff are not members of this forum.. I belive it is the "art connoisseurs" who will be buying his stuff, and I have a ransom print to flip! ;D WRONG!!!! Your so called art connoisseurs, the real ones, buy from artists...not people who know how to use the media. The media gets tired very quickly and move on to other things, only real talented artists remain. If you bought in order to make money, being blind to the lack of talent, then you'll only get what you deserve...a bad investment! Buy what you honestly like, that's keeeyyyyyy!!!! ;D Peace |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Cedric Mnich on Apr 1, 2010 11:56:17 GMT 1, WRONG ? Not so sure, it depends. Some collectors have no time to search for artists and trust auction houses. Finance people and traders for example.
Art connoisseurs certainly bought from Hirst but the guys buying in art auctions are late collectors paying the art price just because Hirst is "fashion" and a must have for them to impress friends, colleagues, clients, at home. Cartrain could fall in the same category.
"See that print ? It's from that kid in who stole Hirst's pens in Tate in 09..."
But you're right, only real talented artists remain, and from that point of view, Cartrain still has to prove any.
I made the same bet than pingo. And if I am wrong it's only 50 GBP down the drain. I will survive it :-)
But there won't be much quid to make on that print I guess, even if Cartrain becomes a famed artist. What would be the best price to expect ? If he became the new banksy ? 1500 or 2000 GBP ? Not bad but not a fortune either.
WRONG ? Not so sure, it depends. Some collectors have no time to search for artists and trust auction houses. Finance people and traders for example.
Art connoisseurs certainly bought from Hirst but the guys buying in art auctions are late collectors paying the art price just because Hirst is "fashion" and a must have for them to impress friends, colleagues, clients, at home. Cartrain could fall in the same category.
"See that print ? It's from that kid in who stole Hirst's pens in Tate in 09..."
But you're right, only real talented artists remain, and from that point of view, Cartrain still has to prove any.
I made the same bet than pingo. And if I am wrong it's only 50 GBP down the drain. I will survive it :-)
But there won't be much quid to make on that print I guess, even if Cartrain becomes a famed artist. What would be the best price to expect ? If he became the new banksy ? 1500 or 2000 GBP ? Not bad but not a fortune either.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by manchestermike on Apr 1, 2010 12:01:13 GMT 1, WRONG ? Not so sure, it depends. Some collectors have no time to search for artists and trust auction houses. Finance people and traders for example. Art connoisseurs certainly bought from Hirst but the guys buying in art auctions are late collectors paying the art price just because Hirst is "fashion" and a must have for them to impress friends, colleagues, clients, at home. Cartrain could fall in the same category. "See that print ? It's from that kid in who stole Hirst's pens in Tate in 09..." But you're right, only real talented artists remain, and from that point of view, Cartrain still has to prove any. I made the same bet than pingo. And if I am wrong it's only 50 GBP down the drain. I will survive it :-) But there won't be much quid to make on that print I guess, even if Cartrain becomes a famed artist. What would be the best price to expect ? If he became the new banksy ? 1500 or 2000 GBP ? Not bad but not a fortune either.
Like the way you got this in before midday!
WRONG ? Not so sure, it depends. Some collectors have no time to search for artists and trust auction houses. Finance people and traders for example. Art connoisseurs certainly bought from Hirst but the guys buying in art auctions are late collectors paying the art price just because Hirst is "fashion" and a must have for them to impress friends, colleagues, clients, at home. Cartrain could fall in the same category. "See that print ? It's from that kid in who stole Hirst's pens in Tate in 09..." But you're right, only real talented artists remain, and from that point of view, Cartrain still has to prove any. I made the same bet than pingo. And if I am wrong it's only 50 GBP down the drain. I will survive it :-) But there won't be much quid to make on that print I guess, even if Cartrain becomes a famed artist. What would be the best price to expect ? If he became the new banksy ? 1500 or 2000 GBP ? Not bad but not a fortune either. Like the way you got this in before midday! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by thegreatarchitect on Apr 1, 2010 12:12:04 GMT 1, I also bought a Ransom print a while ago and I also framed it (in a 9Β£ frame) with the cardbord. I bought the idea and the prank Cartrain pulled on Hirst, and I love it! And just face it, Cartrain is a master in communication trough the media. I belive that in a few years, my investment (I bought the print mostly for pure speculation) will pay of. The future collectors of Cartrains stuff are not members of this forum.. I belive it is the "art connoisseurs" who will be buying his stuff, and I have a ransom print to flip! ;D WRONG!!!! Your so called art connoisseurs, the real ones, buy from artists...not people who know how to use the media. The media gets tired very quickly and move on to other things, only real talented artists remain. If you bought in order to make money, being blind to the lack of talent, then you'll only get what you deserve...a bad investment! Buy what you honestly like, that's keeeyyyyyy!!!! ;D Peace
WRONG IF only real talented Artist remain Please explain POLLOCK The involvment of CIA and the rise of communisum in the east ?
I also bought a Ransom print a while ago and I also framed it (in a 9Β£ frame) with the cardbord. I bought the idea and the prank Cartrain pulled on Hirst, and I love it! And just face it, Cartrain is a master in communication trough the media. I belive that in a few years, my investment (I bought the print mostly for pure speculation) will pay of. The future collectors of Cartrains stuff are not members of this forum.. I belive it is the "art connoisseurs" who will be buying his stuff, and I have a ransom print to flip! ;D WRONG!!!! Your so called art connoisseurs, the real ones, buy from artists...not people who know how to use the media. The media gets tired very quickly and move on to other things, only real talented artists remain. If you bought in order to make money, being blind to the lack of talent, then you'll only get what you deserve...a bad investment! Buy what you honestly like, that's keeeyyyyyy!!!! ;D Peace WRONG IF only real talented Artist remain Please explain POLLOCK The involvment of CIA and the rise of communisum in the east ? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by peggy on Apr 1, 2010 12:14:29 GMT 1, And if I am wrong it's only 50 GBP down the drain. I will survive it :-)
SHOULD HAVE GIVEN PEGGY THE FIFTY POUNDS, I'D HAVE BURIED IT TO KEEP SAFE FOR YOU, AND DUG UP WHEN YOU WERE POOR AND REGRETTED HANDING OVER FOR PIECE OF WILDLY SPECULATIVE ART BUY.
And if I am wrong it's only 50 GBP down the drain. I will survive it :-) SHOULD HAVE GIVEN PEGGY THE FIFTY POUNDS, I'D HAVE BURIED IT TO KEEP SAFE FOR YOU, AND DUG UP WHEN YOU WERE POOR AND REGRETTED HANDING OVER FOR PIECE OF WILDLY SPECULATIVE ART BUY. |
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