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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by doublehelix on Dec 4, 2008 16:30:51 GMT 1, This gets a mention in today's popbitch email.
This gets a mention in today's popbitch email.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Michael Jacob on Dec 4, 2008 16:42:04 GMT 1, by far the most interesting series of threads this year!
by far the most interesting series of threads this year!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by linkd95 on Dec 4, 2008 16:51:04 GMT 1, If what you say is true Scottd007 then what Hirst is doing is out of order. Hirst is a big hard-back man who earns over a Β£100,000,000 a YEAR. Hes sued Cartrain a 16 year old for using his skull picture in a painting/collage and demands Β£200. OMG that is soo out of order, a million pound earning man cant even let a teenager off 200 quid.
If what you say is true Scottd007 then what Hirst is doing is out of order. Hirst is a big hard-back man who earns over a Β£100,000,000 a YEAR. Hes sued Cartrain a 16 year old for using his skull picture in a painting/collage and demands Β£200. OMG that is soo out of order, a million pound earning man cant even let a teenager off 200 quid.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by edcase on Dec 4, 2008 17:03:01 GMT 1, You couldn't make it up 
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by darrenrapley on Dec 4, 2008 17:07:53 GMT 1, I have a funny feeling that Cartrain's profile will be massively raised due to this.
Might be good for him in the long run....
I have a funny feeling that Cartrain's profile will be massively raised due to this.
Might be good for him in the long run....
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by giiiant on Dec 4, 2008 17:09:36 GMT 1, to be honest i doubt hirst himself has anything to do with it, probably doesnt know the collages exist
now its getting a bit of coverage i wouldnt be surprised if we get a statement direct from the man and cartrain gets a sketch or something
to be honest i doubt hirst himself has anything to do with it, probably doesnt know the collages exist
now its getting a bit of coverage i wouldnt be surprised if we get a statement direct from the man and cartrain gets a sketch or something
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by retardthebear on Dec 4, 2008 18:03:58 GMT 1, to be honest i doubt hirst himself has anything to do with it, probably doesnt know the collages exist now its getting a bit of coverage i wouldnt be surprised if we get a statement direct from the man and cartrain gets a sketch or something
Crikey, I might knock up a poo collage of Hirsts bejeweled skull!
Any pic he gives me can pay my mortgage off 
to be honest i doubt hirst himself has anything to do with it, probably doesnt know the collages exist now its getting a bit of coverage i wouldnt be surprised if we get a statement direct from the man and cartrain gets a sketch or something Crikey, I might knock up a poo collage of Hirsts bejeweled skull! Any pic he gives me can pay my mortgage off |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Tiki on Dec 4, 2008 19:31:28 GMT 1, Damien Hirst is a (removed) Especially given the amount of people he has stepped on to get where he is. And he takes a stab like this at a 16 year old boy. What has he ever done for anyone? Oh sorry yea he gave an undisclosed amount to charity. A fiver and asked for change no doubt! (removed)
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Damien Hirst is a (removed) Especially given the amount of people he has stepped on to get where he is. And he takes a stab like this at a 16 year old boy. What has he ever done for anyone? Oh sorry yea he gave an undisclosed amount to charity. A fiver and asked for change no doubt! (removed)
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by gozgoz on Dec 4, 2008 19:58:01 GMT 1, I thought the best part of this whole thing is that in 2008, of all the amateur artists on this board, Cartrain gets the most crrap thrown at him but yet has the most media coverage.
which other amateur artist on this board can lay claim to being mentioned in so many sources of media!
Its brilliant i think...! And the best part is.... Cartrain is STILL getting crraap slung at him!
I thought the best part of this whole thing is that in 2008, of all the amateur artists on this board, Cartrain gets the most crrap thrown at him but yet has the most media coverage.
which other amateur artist on this board can lay claim to being mentioned in so many sources of media!
Its brilliant i think...! And the best part is.... Cartrain is STILL getting crraap slung at him!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by manchestermike on Dec 4, 2008 20:03:05 GMT 1, I thought Cartrain was in his 20s now? :/
I thought Cartrain was in his 20s now? :/
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2008 21:11:29 GMT 1, This gets a mention in today's popb**ch email.
can anyone copy and paste it up here? ;D
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by timba82 on Dec 4, 2008 21:42:50 GMT 1, are we choosing to forget how cartrain was basically pulling the wool over peoples eyes, implying damien hirst was going to buy one of his pieces etc etc.
in my eyes he was trying to dupe unsuspecting people in to thinking his work was 'highly investable'. basically a really crafty and shnidee way of trying to make a quick buck.
i was never at any point fooled by him, i just feel pretty sorry for those that were.
i for one would never buy one of cartrains pieces. i simply dont like the guy.
i'm not questioning his appeal to ther people. i'm sure he does appeal to other people. however he doesnt for me.
i definitley wouldnt want to put my hard earned money in this schemers pockets.
rant over
are we choosing to forget how cartrain was basically pulling the wool over peoples eyes, implying damien hirst was going to buy one of his pieces etc etc.
in my eyes he was trying to dupe unsuspecting people in to thinking his work was 'highly investable'. basically a really crafty and shnidee way of trying to make a quick buck.
i was never at any point fooled by him, i just feel pretty sorry for those that were.
i for one would never buy one of cartrains pieces. i simply dont like the guy.
i'm not questioning his appeal to ther people. i'm sure he does appeal to other people. however he doesnt for me.
i definitley wouldnt want to put my hard earned money in this schemers pockets.
rant over
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by leephill on Dec 4, 2008 22:15:41 GMT 1,
Love him or hate him, he certainly gets some strong reactions from this board. I thought the Hirst collage was very amusing. But what I really want to know is....how old is he :-)
Love him or hate him, he certainly gets some strong reactions from this board. I thought the Hirst collage was very amusing. But what I really want to know is....how old is he :-)
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by hero on Dec 4, 2008 22:20:25 GMT 1, 40 years old but saw a gap in the market 
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Tiki on Dec 4, 2008 23:13:22 GMT 1, No one's defending Cartrain and if they are then there a tit. Im questioning Hirst, regardless of cartrains actions. Hirst is fully aware of what is and has happened and like G said i wouldn't be suprised if Hirst tryed to make it a minor mistake. Funny how it always happens after the press get involved. Im not a violent person but i would be quite happy to chin him!
No one's defending Cartrain and if they are then there a tit. Im questioning Hirst, regardless of cartrains actions. Hirst is fully aware of what is and has happened and like G said i wouldn't be suprised if Hirst tryed to make it a minor mistake. Funny how it always happens after the press get involved. Im not a violent person but i would be quite happy to chin him!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by nacional on Dec 4, 2008 23:25:33 GMT 1, No guarantee that Hirst knew what was happening (although he would most certainly have got to hear about it by now). He is a multi-national who would have "people" acting on his behalf and I am sure he does not get consulted over every decision made regarding his works. There simply isn't enough hours in the day for that.
Cartrain needs no defending. He's shown quite a few times he's adept at doing that himself. He is also a quite canny chap when it comes to marketing. Good on him. I find his work amusing at times and always fun to look at. I guess that makes me a tit..sorry Tiki...but as a friend of mine always said...if he had a pair of tits he would never have to go out at night and would just stay at home fondling them...so being a tit aint too bad after all....
No guarantee that Hirst knew what was happening (although he would most certainly have got to hear about it by now). He is a multi-national who would have "people" acting on his behalf and I am sure he does not get consulted over every decision made regarding his works. There simply isn't enough hours in the day for that.
Cartrain needs no defending. He's shown quite a few times he's adept at doing that himself. He is also a quite canny chap when it comes to marketing. Good on him. I find his work amusing at times and always fun to look at. I guess that makes me a tit..sorry Tiki...but as a friend of mine always said...if he had a pair of tits he would never have to go out at night and would just stay at home fondling them...so being a tit aint too bad after all....
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Guy Denning on Dec 4, 2008 23:42:50 GMT 1, I hope that it is Hirst's machine that have done this and not Hirst himself. If it was down to Hirst personally then he's being a right c0ck. There's a lengthy and well established tradition of people borrowing, stealing, copying or referencing other's work in the art world and Hirst is well aware of this as he's done it himself. John Le Kay, Marco Pierre White, Robert Dixon, Norman Emms and no doubt others have accused Hirst of plagiarism or uncredited appropriation in the past. For someone who's worth near $400 million to chase around over Β£200 on the issue of an image that is not even claiming to be independent of the 'original' is petty, pathetic and inevitably pointless.
As an asides somebody once told me that Hirst had bought one of my paintings - frankly I don't give a toss (assuming it's not a rumour - bearing in mind there have also been rumours that I was signing to Laz, selling paintings for Β£40K and joining the circus when I was 16). If somebody buys your work then I'm just content with that. It's a bit daft to try to engineer good publicity that isn't 100% proof - it's bound to go pear-shaped. There's a lot of buggers on these message boards with tentacles of truth in all sorts of pies and puddings.
I hope that it is Hirst's machine that have done this and not Hirst himself. If it was down to Hirst personally then he's being a right c0ck. There's a lengthy and well established tradition of people borrowing, stealing, copying or referencing other's work in the art world and Hirst is well aware of this as he's done it himself. John Le Kay, Marco Pierre White, Robert Dixon, Norman Emms and no doubt others have accused Hirst of plagiarism or uncredited appropriation in the past. For someone who's worth near $400 million to chase around over Β£200 on the issue of an image that is not even claiming to be independent of the 'original' is petty, pathetic and inevitably pointless.
As an asides somebody once told me that Hirst had bought one of my paintings - frankly I don't give a toss (assuming it's not a rumour - bearing in mind there have also been rumours that I was signing to Laz, selling paintings for Β£40K and joining the circus when I was 16). If somebody buys your work then I'm just content with that. It's a bit daft to try to engineer good publicity that isn't 100% proof - it's bound to go pear-shaped. There's a lot of buggers on these message boards with tentacles of truth in all sorts of pies and puddings.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by matbat on Dec 4, 2008 23:55:06 GMT 1, I think hirst is almost certainly a cock. You cant acquire an estate of 400 million and not be cock.
Better to be wealthy on the inside than in the pockets i always say beacsue it wont help you when your dead.
I think hirst is almost certainly a cock. You cant acquire an estate of 400 million and not be cock.
Better to be wealthy on the inside than in the pockets i always say beacsue it wont help you when your dead.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Guy Denning on Dec 5, 2008 0:02:10 GMT 1, I just hope Hirst has done this knowing that Cartrain will get a good amount of PR out of it, so in a way is helping him out But may well be wishful thinking 
I think it's clear Silky that Cartrain has already got a good deal of publicity out of it but in my opinion it was a bit daft sticking his bonce up and announcing that Hirst had acquired one of his pieces when that was clearly a bit of an application of Brasso to the turd of truth!
I wouldn't buy anyone's work on the basis that someone famous already had - as if that adds a weight of critical authority.
The bigger issue is though that an image of an artwork can be subjected to this kind litigious behaviour. Personally I like to think that I would have stood up to this sort of bullying (because that's basically what it is) and taken it further.
I've got all kinds of artist, musician and writer 'heroes' but I don't give a flying fart what they buy and I wouldn't buy the same on the basis of what they bought either. Perhaps some do - more bloody fool them for not having their own minds.
I just hope Hirst has done this knowing that Cartrain will get a good amount of PR out of it, so in a way is helping him out But may well be wishful thinking I think it's clear Silky that Cartrain has already got a good deal of publicity out of it but in my opinion it was a bit daft sticking his bonce up and announcing that Hirst had acquired one of his pieces when that was clearly a bit of an application of Brasso to the turd of truth! I wouldn't buy anyone's work on the basis that someone famous already had - as if that adds a weight of critical authority. The bigger issue is though that an image of an artwork can be subjected to this kind litigious behaviour. Personally I like to think that I would have stood up to this sort of bullying (because that's basically what it is) and taken it further. I've got all kinds of artist, musician and writer 'heroes' but I don't give a flying fart what they buy and I wouldn't buy the same on the basis of what they bought either. Perhaps some do - more bloody fool them for not having their own minds. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by retardthebear on Dec 5, 2008 1:35:46 GMT 1, it was a bit daft sticking his bonce up and announcing that Hirst had acquired one of his pieces when that was clearly a bit of an application of Brasso to the turd of truth!
You're clearly a poet as well sir ;D That bit made me laugh.
Cartrain making out he had done well by Hirst wanting his work was pushing the boundries a bit though. I cant decide if he was trying to do clever marketing or that he was just foolishly pleased to be linked to Hirst positively or negatively :S
it was a bit daft sticking his bonce up and announcing that Hirst had acquired one of his pieces when that was clearly a bit of an application of Brasso to the turd of truth! You're clearly a poet as well sir ;D That bit made me laugh. Cartrain making out he had done well by Hirst wanting his work was pushing the boundries a bit though. I cant decide if he was trying to do clever marketing or that he was just foolishly pleased to be linked to Hirst positively or negatively :S |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Heavyconsumer on Dec 5, 2008 4:23:44 GMT 1, "Recently talks have been going on with me, 100artworks, and Damien hirsts team. Damien has Requested interested in the artworks ( For the love of God ) personally and he has now obtained them though a deal made with me. The artworks as of today are now in his possession and not much more can be said. Well done to everyone that purchased one before Hirst got involved ;D ;D ;D"
I know at this stage that the above quote (Cartrain's original post on this matter) can't be taken seriously. I think in light of what's emerged since, it is worth considering that [erhaps Cartrain was ammused and wanted to share a bit of irony and a laugh with us. I hope that's what this was about at the start and not an attempt to dupe people into buying his work. This certainly brought a bit of entertainment though.
While I've not liked much of Cartrain's work in the past, I hope that he gets a good deal more than Β£200 in mileage out of the publicity this scenario has generated for him, as it would be no more than poetic justice when one looks at Hirst's (or his team's) role in all this. Petty is an understatement.
"Recently talks have been going on with me, 100artworks, and Damien hirsts team. Damien has Requested interested in the artworks ( For the love of God ) personally and he has now obtained them though a deal made with me. The artworks as of today are now in his possession and not much more can be said. Well done to everyone that purchased one before Hirst got involved ;D ;D ;D"
I know at this stage that the above quote (Cartrain's original post on this matter) can't be taken seriously. I think in light of what's emerged since, it is worth considering that [erhaps Cartrain was ammused and wanted to share a bit of irony and a laugh with us. I hope that's what this was about at the start and not an attempt to dupe people into buying his work. This certainly brought a bit of entertainment though.
While I've not liked much of Cartrain's work in the past, I hope that he gets a good deal more than Β£200 in mileage out of the publicity this scenario has generated for him, as it would be no more than poetic justice when one looks at Hirst's (or his team's) role in all this. Petty is an understatement.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by raiden on Dec 5, 2008 6:47:05 GMT 1, Wow, congratulations on being sued Cartrain. The best thing to ever happen to you. Hirst is such an asshole.
Please do something creative with the Β£200 pounds you have to pay him. PM you my suggestion.
Wow, congratulations on being sued Cartrain. The best thing to ever happen to you. Hirst is such an asshole.
Please do something creative with the Β£200 pounds you have to pay him. PM you my suggestion.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by angel41 on Dec 5, 2008 11:07:50 GMT 1, I want some of what Cartrain's taking. He seems to get a year younger each year.
Future article:
"Artwork left in womb by embryo" Possibly. ;D
I want some of what Cartrain's taking. He seems to get a year younger each year.
Future article:
"Artwork left in womb by embryo" Possibly. ;D
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by doublehelix on Dec 5, 2008 11:15:39 GMT 1, This gets a mention in today's popb**ch email. can anyone copy and paste it up here? ;D
>> Hard-headed Hirst <<
Cartrain owes artist all his money
If there's anyone out there who doesn't already
think Damien Hirst is a cock, try this story.
He sued a 16 year-old graffiti artist, Cartrain,
who featured images of Hirst's diamond skull in
his collages. In September Hirst made 95.7m
pounds from auctioning his wares. The money
Cartrain made that Hirst is demanding? 200 quid.
The whole story:
adammacqueen.blogspot.com/2008/11/eyelights.html
This gets a mention in today's popb**ch email. can anyone copy and paste it up here? ;D >> Hard-headed Hirst << Cartrain owes artist all his money If there's anyone out there who doesn't already think Damien Hirst is a cock, try this story. He sued a 16 year-old graffiti artist, Cartrain, who featured images of Hirst's diamond skull in his collages. In September Hirst made 95.7m pounds from auctioning his wares. The money Cartrain made that Hirst is demanding? 200 quid. The whole story: adammacqueen.blogspot.com/2008/11/eyelights.html |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Winter on Dec 5, 2008 11:25:20 GMT 1, I still can't work out how Hirst new about Cartrain's pieces. The exposure Cartrain is getting is worth a fortune so I wouldn't be too worried about paying a couple of hundred quid. I think the Cartrain pieces were weak in the first place and were only produced for a reaction. Hirst will continue to be the leading contemporary artist in the world today. Cartrain will probably dissapear into nothing following his '15 minutes'. Bored now.
I still can't work out how Hirst new about Cartrain's pieces. The exposure Cartrain is getting is worth a fortune so I wouldn't be too worried about paying a couple of hundred quid. I think the Cartrain pieces were weak in the first place and were only produced for a reaction. Hirst will continue to be the leading contemporary artist in the world today. Cartrain will probably dissapear into nothing following his '15 minutes'. Bored now.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 5, 2008 11:54:38 GMT 1, "Recently talks have been going on with me, 100artworks, and Damien hirsts team. Damien has Requested interested in the artworks ( For the love of God ) personally and he has now obtained them though a deal made with me. The artworks as of today are now in his possession and not much more can be said. Well done to everyone that purchased one before Hirst got involved ;D ;D ;D" Certain people have suggested that i have made attempts to misinform and trick over the hirst issue. 'Well done to everyone that purchased one before hirst got involved' I thought was a clear indication that Hirst had not purchased. AT the time i was in talks with his legal team as was 100artworks so not much could be said at the time As a i piece of street news i thought you would all like to know. i Have been as entertained by what unfolded as i hoped you were no more than that. I'm not here to con, trick or misinform just give something on the Tuesday that wasn't there on the Monday
"Recently talks have been going on with me, 100artworks, and Damien hirsts team. Damien has Requested interested in the artworks ( For the love of God ) personally and he has now obtained them though a deal made with me. The artworks as of today are now in his possession and not much more can be said. Well done to everyone that purchased one before Hirst got involved ;D ;D ;D" Certain people have suggested that i have made attempts to misinform and trick over the hirst issue. 'Well done to everyone that purchased one before hirst got involved' I thought was a clear indication that Hirst had not purchased. AT the time i was in talks with his legal team as was 100artworks so not much could be said at the time As a i piece of street news i thought you would all like to know. i Have been as entertained by what unfolded as i hoped you were no more than that. I'm not here to con, trick or misinform just give something on the Tuesday that wasn't there on the Monday |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by richy00 on Dec 5, 2008 12:36:44 GMT 1, pay the cunt in pennies... a massive bag of them...
pay the cunt in pennies... a massive bag of them...
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by funyoung on Dec 5, 2008 12:46:14 GMT 1, People seem to be trying to treat this like some sort of conspiracy.
If you read Cartrain's original post, in the light of more recent news, then he has not lied as far as I can tell.
If you mis-interpreted that then that is your problem.
Ambiguous posts are very common around here after all.
People seem to be trying to treat this like some sort of conspiracy.
If you read Cartrain's original post, in the light of more recent news, then he has not lied as far as I can tell.
If you mis-interpreted that then that is your problem.
Ambiguous posts are very common around here after all.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by retardthebear on Dec 5, 2008 12:54:58 GMT 1, Fair point Cartrain
This episode was entertaining and I would be lying if I said I wasnt intrigued to get to the bottom of it all.
Hope Hirst doesnt see your avatar though! He'll be in a right huff!! ;D
Fair point Cartrain This episode was entertaining and I would be lying if I said I wasnt intrigued to get to the bottom of it all. Hope Hirst doesnt see your avatar though! He'll be in a right huff!! ;D |
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