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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by seidbereit on Jan 15, 2008 17:09:56 GMT 1, So you started this thread knowing that he'd get bashed as a well-planned stunt based upon the "any publicity is good publicity" idea? How much do you charge to set up a forum for someone like him and put it in the link-box above? How much "free" art did you get out of it? Or have you taken absolutely nothing except the good feeling you get from helping a "nice kid"? If anyone has a stake in his rep, it would be you, right?
Steady on!  
So you started this thread knowing that he'd get bashed as a well-planned stunt based upon the "any publicity is good publicity" idea? How much do you charge to set up a forum for someone like him and put it in the link-box above? How much "free" art did you get out of it? Or have you taken absolutely nothing except the good feeling you get from helping a "nice kid"? If anyone has a stake in his rep, it would be you, right? Steady on! |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Jan 15, 2008 17:12:18 GMT 1, So you started this thread knowing that he'd get bashed as a well-planned stunt based upon the "any publicity is good publicity" idea? How much do you charge to set up a forum for someone like him and put it in the link-box above? How much "free" art did you get out of it? Or have you taken absolutely nothing except the good feeling you get from helping a "nice kid"? If anyone has a stake in his rep, it would be you, right? I know many people would like to believe that  but I get paid nothing, and I actually bought two pieces from Cartrain (might have been the first ever pieces he has sold) and I paid him over three times the amount he asked for ;D
Ya see, its whats called helping people out  doing something positive for the graffiti/street art scene ;D
So you started this thread knowing that he'd get bashed as a well-planned stunt based upon the "any publicity is good publicity" idea? How much do you charge to set up a forum for someone like him and put it in the link-box above? How much "free" art did you get out of it? Or have you taken absolutely nothing except the good feeling you get from helping a "nice kid"? If anyone has a stake in his rep, it would be you, right? I know many people would like to believe that but I get paid nothing, and I actually bought two pieces from Cartrain (might have been the first ever pieces he has sold) and I paid him over three times the amount he asked for ;D Ya see, its whats called helping people out doing something positive for the graffiti/street art scene ;D |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by wimpy on Jan 15, 2008 17:25:24 GMT 1, So you started this thread knowing that he'd get bashed as a well-planned stunt based upon the "any publicity is good publicity" idea? How much do you charge to set up a forum for someone like him and put it in the link-box above? How much "free" art did you get out of it? Or have you taken absolutely nothing except the good feeling you get from helping a "nice kid"? If anyone has a stake in his rep, it would be you, right? I know many people would like to believe that but I get paid nothing, and I actually bought two pieces from Cartrain (might have been the first ever pieces he has sold) and I paid him over three times the amount he asked for ;D
That is why I asked instead of making blind accusations or assumptions like "You all would have probably dissed Banksy before he got hyped". 
So you started this thread knowing that he'd get bashed as a well-planned stunt based upon the "any publicity is good publicity" idea? How much do you charge to set up a forum for someone like him and put it in the link-box above? How much "free" art did you get out of it? Or have you taken absolutely nothing except the good feeling you get from helping a "nice kid"? If anyone has a stake in his rep, it would be you, right? I know many people would like to believe that but I get paid nothing, and I actually bought two pieces from Cartrain (might have been the first ever pieces he has sold) and I paid him over three times the amount he asked for ;D That is why I asked instead of making blind accusations or assumptions like "You all would have probably dissed Banksy before he got hyped". |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by kiki on Jan 15, 2008 17:40:48 GMT 1, some Query whether he would dare do the same with an unsigned Banksy piece such as 'Ratapult', especially if it had not yet been added to Banksy's website. It was added to Banksys website about the same time the artist painting the knob was!!! eddiedangerous - I was aware of this. I was using 'Ratapult' as an example, but also saying it would be even more interesting with pieces that Banksy had not already claimed as his (i.e. in cases where knowledgeable Banksy fans knew untagged work was nevertheless by Banksy, but where the general public might be fooled and misled into believing it was executed by Cartrain if Cartrain added his tag to it).
some Query whether he would dare do the same with an unsigned Banksy piece such as 'Ratapult', especially if it had not yet been added to Banksy's website. It was added to Banksys website about the same time the artist painting the knob was!!! eddiedangerous - I was aware of this. I was using 'Ratapult' as an example, but also saying it would be even more interesting with pieces that Banksy had not already claimed as his (i.e. in cases where knowledgeable Banksy fans knew untagged work was nevertheless by Banksy, but where the general public might be fooled and misled into believing it was executed by Cartrain if Cartrain added his tag to it). |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by daveanthony28 on Jan 15, 2008 17:43:08 GMT 1, Don't want to get into it too much but isn't this lad still only 15 years of age ? How many of us were brave enough to have a go at this age ?? & tagging next to the banksy work i do not agree but again at 15 years of age surely the lad can be given support from this forum for his effort, or is that to much to ask these day's  ??
Don't want to get into it too much but isn't this lad still only 15 years of age ? How many of us were brave enough to have a go at this age ?? & tagging next to the banksy work i do not agree but again at 15 years of age surely the lad can be given support from this forum for his effort, or is that to much to ask these day's ?? |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by kiki on Jan 15, 2008 17:52:25 GMT 1, Yep! We are talking about him and thats all that matters. If you looked at 100% of the things that get written about Banksy, Im sure a good chunk of them would be saying he's a vandal, and should be arrested  Cartrain is making a name for himself  and good on him! ;D
If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking.
Is that really "all that matters" to you?
Yep! We are talking about him and thats all that matters. If you looked at 100% of the things that get written about Banksy, Im sure a good chunk of them would be saying he's a vandal, and should be arrested Cartrain is making a name for himself and good on him! ;D If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you? |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by buffin on Jan 15, 2008 17:53:26 GMT 1, Don't want to get into it too much but isn't this lad still only 15 years of age ? How many of us were brave enough to have a go at this age ?? & tagging next to the banksy work i do not agree but again at 15 years of age surely the lad can be given support from this forum for his effort, or is that to much to ask these day's ??
Quite agree Dave. Some of his work is very good and he has bags of potential imo. Just don't stray too close to the master!
Silky would love to see pictures of your purchases.
Don't want to get into it too much but isn't this lad still only 15 years of age ? How many of us were brave enough to have a go at this age ?? & tagging next to the banksy work i do not agree but again at 15 years of age surely the lad can be given support from this forum for his effort, or is that to much to ask these day's ?? Quite agree Dave. Some of his work is very good and he has bags of potential imo. Just don't stray too close to the master! Silky would love to see pictures of your purchases. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by daveanthony28 on Jan 15, 2008 18:00:11 GMT 1, Agreed Buffin, Pics would be cool. I remember a post a while back from Jeff Aerosol who had one of his sitting boy images slightly changed by an artist abroad. Jeff embraced the guy's love of stenciling & even went to lengths of giving him tip's too. that'sa big part of what it's all about in my book - not just the next big print release !
Agreed Buffin, Pics would be cool. I remember a post a while back from Jeff Aerosol who had one of his sitting boy images slightly changed by an artist abroad. Jeff embraced the guy's love of stenciling & even went to lengths of giving him tip's too. that'sa big part of what it's all about in my book - not just the next big print release !
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by BK83 on Jan 15, 2008 18:09:34 GMT 1, Agreed Buffin, Pics would be cool. I remember a post a while back from Jeff Aerosol who had one of his sitting boy images slightly changed by an artist abroad. Jeff embraced the guy's love of stenciling & even went to lengths of giving him tip's too. that'sa big part of what it's all about in my book - not just the next big print release !
Don't make me laugh! are you also writing the next Hugh Grant movie, what a sappy load of shit.
Agreed Buffin, Pics would be cool. I remember a post a while back from Jeff Aerosol who had one of his sitting boy images slightly changed by an artist abroad. Jeff embraced the guy's love of stenciling & even went to lengths of giving him tip's too. that'sa big part of what it's all about in my book - not just the next big print release ! Don't make me laugh! are you also writing the next Hugh Grant movie, what a sappy load of shit. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by BK83 on Jan 15, 2008 18:10:55 GMT 1, Yep! We are talking about him and thats all that matters. If you looked at 100% of the things that get written about Banksy, Im sure a good chunk of them would be saying he's a vandal, and should be arrested Cartrain is making a name for himself and good on him! ;D If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you?
+1 Kiki, that's what I've been trying to get across, but you've done it in a much better way!
Yep! We are talking about him and thats all that matters. If you looked at 100% of the things that get written about Banksy, Im sure a good chunk of them would be saying he's a vandal, and should be arrested Cartrain is making a name for himself and good on him! ;D If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you? +1 Kiki, that's what I've been trying to get across, but you've done it in a much better way! |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Jan 15, 2008 18:11:15 GMT 1, ;D Here ya go Dave an Buffin -
Photo taken by Cartrain
I wanted a typical piece from Cartrain, and I felt his Bush Bombs were such a well known image to be seen around London ;D Well pleased with them.
;D Here ya go Dave an Buffin - Photo taken by Cartrain I wanted a typical piece from Cartrain, and I felt his Bush Bombs were such a well known image to be seen around London ;D Well pleased with them. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by daveanthony28 on Jan 15, 2008 18:12:53 GMT 1, Agreed Buffin, Pics would be cool. I remember a post a while back from Jeff Aerosol who had one of his sitting boy images slightly changed by an artist abroad. Jeff embraced the guy's love of stenciling & even went to lengths of giving him tip's too. that'sa big part of what it's all about in my book - not just the next big print release ! Don't make me laugh! are you also writing the next Hugh Grant movie, what a sappy load of s**t.
No, but i remember being 15 & having a passion for something & trying my dammed hardest to make it happen.
Agreed Buffin, Pics would be cool. I remember a post a while back from Jeff Aerosol who had one of his sitting boy images slightly changed by an artist abroad. Jeff embraced the guy's love of stenciling & even went to lengths of giving him tip's too. that'sa big part of what it's all about in my book - not just the next big print release ! Don't make me laugh! are you also writing the next Hugh Grant movie, what a sappy load of s**t. No, but i remember being 15 & having a passion for something & trying my dammed hardest to make it happen. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Jan 15, 2008 18:15:30 GMT 1, Yep! We are talking about him and thats all that matters. If you looked at 100% of the things that get written about Banksy, Im sure a good chunk of them would be saying he's a vandal, and should be arrested Cartrain is making a name for himself and good on him! ;D If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you?
No but I like to praise and help people for doing things that I like ;D I not see much point in just looking around for things I dont like and telling everyone about how I think its crap
Yep! We are talking about him and thats all that matters. If you looked at 100% of the things that get written about Banksy, Im sure a good chunk of them would be saying he's a vandal, and should be arrested Cartrain is making a name for himself and good on him! ;D If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you? No but I like to praise and help people for doing things that I like ;D I not see much point in just looking around for things I dont like and telling everyone about how I think its crap |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by BK83 on Jan 15, 2008 18:16:01 GMT 1, ;D Here ya go Dave an Buffin - Photo taken by Cartrain I wanted a typical piece from Cartrain, and I felt his Bush Bombs were such a well known image to be seen around London ;D Well pleased with them.
Whilst I respect your generosity and eagerness to help aspiring artists, Silky (it has and always will be a nice attribute to the forums and your character) I find this work unoriginal and entirely poorly executed. Look at his tag/name stencil. what is going on there? and, does George Bush have a cold sore? what is that dripping from his lip on the right side in the stencil? Surely someone with an eye for detail would know to cut remove that from the stencil. That's the problem. he is just a copier he has no artistic vision.
;D Here ya go Dave an Buffin - Photo taken by Cartrain I wanted a typical piece from Cartrain, and I felt his Bush Bombs were such a well known image to be seen around London ;D Well pleased with them. Whilst I respect your generosity and eagerness to help aspiring artists, Silky (it has and always will be a nice attribute to the forums and your character) I find this work unoriginal and entirely poorly executed. Look at his tag/name stencil. what is going on there? and, does George Bush have a cold sore? what is that dripping from his lip on the right side in the stencil? Surely someone with an eye for detail would know to cut remove that from the stencil. That's the problem. he is just a copier he has no artistic vision. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by buffin on Jan 15, 2008 18:23:06 GMT 1, JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art.
JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art.
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by kiki on Jan 15, 2008 18:24:19 GMT 1, If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you? No but I like to praise and help people for doing things that I like ;D I not see much point in just looking around for things I dont like and telling everyone about how I think its crap
Do you mean that, when all the townspeople are wildly praising the magnificent new clothes of the emperor, you don't see much point in the child saying "But he has nothing on!"?
If I made crap art and put it all over the place, people would be talking about me as well. I could fart loudly in the tube every day during rush hour. No doubt this would also get people talking. Is that really "all that matters" to you? No but I like to praise and help people for doing things that I like ;D I not see much point in just looking around for things I dont like and telling everyone about how I think its crap Do you mean that, when all the townspeople are wildly praising the magnificent new clothes of the emperor, you don't see much point in the child saying " But he has nothing on!"? |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by BK83 on Jan 15, 2008 18:25:45 GMT 1, JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art.
The more I think about it, you're right. I think I have been a bit harsh given his age. I am retiring from this thread. I don't like when I get like this.
Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting.
JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art. The more I think about it, you're right. I think I have been a bit harsh given his age. I am retiring from this thread. I don't like when I get like this. Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Jan 15, 2008 18:25:54 GMT 1,
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by BK83 on Jan 15, 2008 18:27:47 GMT 1, +1 silky.
+1 silky.
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by wimpy on Jan 15, 2008 18:31:07 GMT 1, Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting.
Cheers to that.
Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting. Cheers to that. |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by buffin on Jan 15, 2008 18:38:50 GMT 1, JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art. The more I think about it, you're right. I think I have been a bit harsh given his age. I am retiring from this thread. I don't like when I get like this. Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting.
You sir are a gent. +1 coming your way
JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art. The more I think about it, you're right. I think I have been a bit harsh given his age. I am retiring from this thread. I don't like when I get like this. Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting. You sir are a gent. +1 coming your way |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Harveyn on Jan 15, 2008 19:54:06 GMT 1, Wow a half reasonable debate +1 Cartrain. You keep doing it I know at 15 I would not have had the b*lls.
+1 Silky for the vid.
Wow a half reasonable debate +1 Cartrain. You keep doing it I know at 15 I would not have had the b*lls.
+1 Silky for the vid.
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Simococo on Jan 16, 2008 20:42:22 GMT 1, JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art. The more I think about it, you're right. I think I have been a bit harsh given his age. I am retiring from this thread. I don't like when I get like this. Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting.
+1
JayPaav I understand what you are saying but doesn't the fact that he's only 15 come into the equation? It might not be to everyone's taste and yes its raw around the edges but hey its street art. The more I think about it, you're right. I think I have been a bit harsh given his age. I am retiring from this thread. I don't like when I get like this. Big ups to all for quality thread. finally some disagreement that did not get vicious. albeit a little witty and biting. +1 |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by streetgirl on Jan 25, 2008 18:46:56 GMT 1, Carlito - you been busy tagging some construction boards on Leonard St? Walked past there on the way to work and couldn't help but notice.
CARTRAIN, saw one of your paste ups too.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carlito - you been busy tagging some construction boards on Leonard St? Walked past there on the way to work and couldn't help but notice.
CARTRAIN, saw one of your paste ups too.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by Curley on Jan 25, 2008 20:37:27 GMT 1, Carlito - you been busy tagging some construction boards on Leonard St? Walked past there on the way to work and couldn't help but notice. CARTRAIN, saw one of your paste ups too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carlito - you been busy tagging some construction boards on Leonard St? Walked past there on the way to work and couldn't help but notice. CARTRAIN, saw one of your paste ups too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by andrewd on Jan 25, 2008 20:56:39 GMT 1, there are always new CARTRAINS around. As for the Carlitto I might have expected a stencilled trademark pink shirt alongside the tag!
there are always new CARTRAINS around. As for the Carlitto I might have expected a stencilled trademark pink shirt alongside the tag!
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by a4mnt on Jan 25, 2008 22:30:58 GMT 1, i don't think he's going to live that pink shirt down
has anyone got pics?
i don't think he's going to live that pink shirt down
has anyone got pics?
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by streetgirl on Jan 28, 2008 11:06:34 GMT 1, I'll get some later Cracka, Carlito has ensured there are a plethora to choose from.
I'll get some later Cracka, Carlito has ensured there are a plethora to choose from.
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Cartrain ๐ฌ๐ง Tate Gallery โข Damien Hirst โข Gilbert & George, by a4mnt on Jan 28, 2008 23:16:32 GMT 1, Any luck StreetGirl?
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but I get paid nothing, and I actually bought two pieces from Cartrain (might have been the first ever pieces he has sold) and I paid him over three times the amount he asked for ;D
doing something positive for the graffiti/street art scene ;D
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and good on him! ;D
