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Man City V Man Utd, by Finsbury on May 1, 2012 14:16:09 GMT 1, Same here would be even more worrying if city won it, the shiek would have more of a taste and through even more cash at it. Bad enough as it is.
Same here would be even more worrying if city won it, the shiek would have more of a taste and through even more cash at it. Bad enough as it is.
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Man City V Man Utd, by elwheel on May 1, 2012 14:52:23 GMT 1, It is probably only worrying to the fans and owners of what were the top four and other clubs that usually perform well in the premiership because it , imo, might represent the start of a period whereby City win trophies and competitions fairly regularly. Nothing more. It's only sport - it's definately not worth getting worried about 
UEFA financial fairplay regulations will temper every clubs spending to levels compatable with sustainability. I think HRH Sheikh Mansour and the Chairman have made their feelings clear in that the Club will operate on a policy of selling before buying and nurturing talent through what is arguably one the best football academies in the UK. The accelerated investment over the past three seasons helped City catch up with other clubs decades of investment. From the owners point of view, when the Oil runs out MCFC will be one of the global brands and star performers for Abu Dhabi PLC. From the fans point of view, all our dreams are coming true.
It is probably only worrying to the fans and owners of what were the top four and other clubs that usually perform well in the premiership because it , imo, might represent the start of a period whereby City win trophies and competitions fairly regularly. Nothing more. It's only sport - it's definately not worth getting worried about UEFA financial fairplay regulations will temper every clubs spending to levels compatable with sustainability. I think HRH Sheikh Mansour and the Chairman have made their feelings clear in that the Club will operate on a policy of selling before buying and nurturing talent through what is arguably one the best football academies in the UK. The accelerated investment over the past three seasons helped City catch up with other clubs decades of investment. From the owners point of view, when the Oil runs out MCFC will be one of the global brands and star performers for Abu Dhabi PLC. From the fans point of view, all our dreams are coming true. |
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Man City V Man Utd, by connecta1 on May 1, 2012 15:06:57 GMT 1, ...mate, if you are a city fan, no-one would deny you enjoying your 'Top Trumps' squad of players, your unparalleled spending power, and leapfrogging your neighbours to the title in the process
but I'm sorry, anyone that thinks this is 'good for the whole of football' is deluded
...mate, if you are a city fan, no-one would deny you enjoying your 'Top Trumps' squad of players, your unparalleled spending power, and leapfrogging your neighbours to the title in the process
but I'm sorry, anyone that thinks this is 'good for the whole of football' is deluded
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Man City V Man Utd, by Daniel Silk on May 1, 2012 17:06:15 GMT 1, Some clubs will always have more money than others, that's just the way of the world. It's good to see different clubs winning things rather than the same one every year.
It's the same for teams at all levels, if you don't invest in bringing in quality players then you can't really expect to win much.
I'm a Wycombe fan, and look what's happened to us this season  three or four of our squad from a few years ago are now playing for clubs in the Prem. If you sell your best assets, then it's the ones with the money that will benefit.
Some clubs will always have more money than others, that's just the way of the world. It's good to see different clubs winning things rather than the same one every year. It's the same for teams at all levels, if you don't invest in bringing in quality players then you can't really expect to win much. I'm a Wycombe fan, and look what's happened to us this season three or four of our squad from a few years ago are now playing for clubs in the Prem. If you sell your best assets, then it's the ones with the money that will benefit. |
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Man City V Man Utd, by Finsbury on May 1, 2012 17:48:37 GMT 1, What does financial fair play mean when you can run up a £400m sponsership deal with mansour's half brother?
What does financial fair play mean when you can run up a £400m sponsership deal with mansour's half brother?
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Man City V Man Utd, by bigtlt on May 1, 2012 20:01:21 GMT 1, I've got a friend that works as an agent and has a few dealings with some of the Manchester City youth team.
He seems to think City are totally disregarding the Fair Play rules.
According to him, they believe the rules can't apply to them because the backers are non-European.
If a company want to spend money to expand and make themselves more successful, there is nothing a European court can do to stop it.
Any attempt to prevent someone doing it, is in fact, against EU law.
I'm a Red and see City's spending as nothing more than Financial Steroids.
I've got a friend that works as an agent and has a few dealings with some of the Manchester City youth team.
He seems to think City are totally disregarding the Fair Play rules.
According to him, they believe the rules can't apply to them because the backers are non-European.
If a company want to spend money to expand and make themselves more successful, there is nothing a European court can do to stop it.
Any attempt to prevent someone doing it, is in fact, against EU law.
I'm a Red and see City's spending as nothing more than Financial Steroids.
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Man City V Man Utd, by johnnyh on May 1, 2012 20:17:21 GMT 1, They cannot stop them spending that is probably against European law regardless of nationality however what they are talking about is not letting them into the Champions League or restricting their squad for Champions League which I think they can do.
This could be a rule of entry or qualification rather than a trade restriction. If it came to a vote of the clubs and members of uefa only probably city, chelsea would vote against. Utd are probably or right so the English member on UEFA would be in a minority poss Spain could vote with but that's it.
So think it could happen.
They cannot stop them spending that is probably against European law regardless of nationality however what they are talking about is not letting them into the Champions League or restricting their squad for Champions League which I think they can do.
This could be a rule of entry or qualification rather than a trade restriction. If it came to a vote of the clubs and members of uefa only probably city, chelsea would vote against. Utd are probably or right so the English member on UEFA would be in a minority poss Spain could vote with but that's it.
So think it could happen.
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Man City V Man Utd, by bigtlt on May 1, 2012 21:29:26 GMT 1,
I hope your right, I hope they have the power to back themselves up.
Just get the feeling City will try to tie them in legal knots.
They certainly have the financial backing to make it a real problem for UEFA 
I hope your right, I hope they have the power to back themselves up. Just get the feeling City will try to tie them in legal knots. They certainly have the financial backing to make it a real problem for UEFA |
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Man City V Man Utd, by johnnyh on May 1, 2012 21:46:07 GMT 1, The odd argument though is the Etihad company. To a certain extent state owned but they can also claim it is a company sponsorship so they do not fall foul of the rules. Sothey could still get away with it
The odd argument though is the Etihad company. To a certain extent state owned but they can also claim it is a company sponsorship so they do not fall foul of the rules. Sothey could still get away with it
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Man City V Man Utd, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on May 1, 2012 23:31:17 GMT 1, Yeah i am torn - I want City to win it just to make a change, but I wouldn't want them winning it every year. On paper (with their billion pound squad) they should have won this leaugue by 15 points. But their fans will quickly turn into the same type as Utd fans and expect to win everything. I just read Fergie is after our top Midfielder Sigurdson FFS!!! (he's on loan with us at the mo) This is what winds me up, why the f*ck does he need to buy more?? Our transfer record so far is 3.5m pounds we will have to spend 7m (which is way more than we can afford) for Sigurdson, Fergie will probably offer 10m. The Sigurdson will go there and make Cameo appearances and will be on the bench. I hope he stays but it's all about the $$$$ it's the same as any job, suppose we'd all leave for double the pay!!.... I think it will go down to last game as Newcastle got smashed by Wigan, they will want to make amends for that and push for 4th spot.. 2 cracking weekends coming up
Yeah i am torn - I want City to win it just to make a change, but I wouldn't want them winning it every year. On paper (with their billion pound squad) they should have won this leaugue by 15 points. But their fans will quickly turn into the same type as Utd fans and expect to win everything. I just read Fergie is after our top Midfielder Sigurdson FFS!!! (he's on loan with us at the mo) This is what winds me up, why the f*ck does he need to buy more?? Our transfer record so far is 3.5m pounds we will have to spend 7m (which is way more than we can afford) for Sigurdson, Fergie will probably offer 10m. The Sigurdson will go there and make Cameo appearances and will be on the bench. I hope he stays but it's all about the $$$$ it's the same as any job, suppose we'd all leave for double the pay!!.... I think it will go down to last game as Newcastle got smashed by Wigan, they will want to make amends for that and push for 4th spot.. 2 cracking weekends coming up |
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Man City V Man Utd, by Finsbury on May 2, 2012 7:21:52 GMT 1, Spot on Jeezuz, this run in is buzzing, even though we're out of it (again ). It would be even more interesting if it comes down to goal difference with city on top, due to the utd losing at home to them 1-6. Tbh we all know sir red nose has been a brilliant manager but i reckon he'll end up retiring while city start to dominate.
Spot on Jeezuz, this run in is buzzing, even though we're out of it (again ). It would be even more interesting if it comes down to goal difference with city on top, due to the utd losing at home to them 1-6. Tbh we all know sir red nose has been a brilliant manager but i reckon he'll end up retiring while city start to dominate. |
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Man City V Man Utd, by eschiff on May 2, 2012 12:33:37 GMT 1, as a yank living in england for the last 5 years i've really gotten into football and have been a season ticket holder for fulham for 3 years (that boy clint dempsey...)
but the monetary situation in the sport is disgusting. All major american sports (save MLB) have a salary cap. This means every year fans of each team have a realistic shot of winning the title. Obviously there are some teams that are terrible at evaluating their players and they are continually bad, or vice versa.
but here, unless you root for one of the major corporations of a football team, you're just hoping not to get relegated, it's such a fatal flaw in the sport and shocking it's been allowed to develop this way.
as a yank living in england for the last 5 years i've really gotten into football and have been a season ticket holder for fulham for 3 years (that boy clint dempsey...)
but the monetary situation in the sport is disgusting. All major american sports (save MLB) have a salary cap. This means every year fans of each team have a realistic shot of winning the title. Obviously there are some teams that are terrible at evaluating their players and they are continually bad, or vice versa.
but here, unless you root for one of the major corporations of a football team, you're just hoping not to get relegated, it's such a fatal flaw in the sport and shocking it's been allowed to develop this way.
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Man City V Man Utd, by bigtlt on May 2, 2012 13:16:45 GMT 1, If you think its bad here, you should check the Spanish League where it is basically impossible for anyone other than Barca or Real Madrid to win that league.
In the EPL all the money from TV rights are split fairly evenly where Half of the domestic income was distributed equally, giving each club a guaranteed payment of just short of £xx million. Overseas TV revenue, worth £xxx million last year, is also split evenly, giving clubs another £xx million.
The remaining 50 per cent of the domestic money is split on the basis of performance – merit payments based on position in the table – and facility fees for appearing in live games.
In Spain the first 50% of all the money is split between Barca and Madrid and the next 50% split between the remaining 18 teams.
Why the remaining Spanish teams don't just go on strike I will never understand
If you think its bad here, you should check the Spanish League where it is basically impossible for anyone other than Barca or Real Madrid to win that league.
In the EPL all the money from TV rights are split fairly evenly where Half of the domestic income was distributed equally, giving each club a guaranteed payment of just short of £xx million. Overseas TV revenue, worth £xxx million last year, is also split evenly, giving clubs another £xx million.
The remaining 50 per cent of the domestic money is split on the basis of performance – merit payments based on position in the table – and facility fees for appearing in live games.
In Spain the first 50% of all the money is split between Barca and Madrid and the next 50% split between the remaining 18 teams.
Why the remaining Spanish teams don't just go on strike I will never understand
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Man City V Man Utd, by My Name is Frank on May 2, 2012 15:01:11 GMT 1, All the points made point to an imminent super euro league. All the rich clubs in, fcuk the rest. Eufa wouldn't have any jurisdiction and they could negotiate much larger pay deals from networks. Seems inevitable really. Shame.
All the points made point to an imminent super euro league. All the rich clubs in, fcuk the rest. Eufa wouldn't have any jurisdiction and they could negotiate much larger pay deals from networks. Seems inevitable really. Shame.
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Man City V Man Utd, by kel on May 2, 2012 16:53:56 GMT 1, Having followed City for 27years I can agree that we have never had it so good. What always seems strange to me is how so many people have a short memory. I have listed the published purchase values of both starting teams on Monday nights football
Manchester City
25 Hart - £600,000
04 Kompany - £6M
05 Zabaleta - £6.45M
06 Lescott – £22M
22 Clichy - £7M
18 Barry - £12M
19 Nasri - £25M
21 Silva - £23M
42 Y Toure - £24M
16 Aguero - £38M
32 Tevez - £25M
Total £189M
Manchester United
01 De Gea - £17M
03 Evra - £5.5M
04 Jones - £16.5M
05 Ferdinand - £29M
12 Smalling - £10M
11 Giggs Free
13 Park Ji-sung - £4M
16 Carrick - £14M
17 Nani - £18M
22 Scholes Free
10 Rooney - £25.5M
Total £139M
As you can see there was only £50M difference in both teams thats how much it now costs to be near the top of the premiership. Dont forget Liverpools wasted £100M in the last 12months to try and get there. What people do not realize is although Manchester City have broken the transfer record on numerous occasions it is forgotten that Manchester United were spending large amounts of money a lot long before anybody else was.
I always find it confusing that United are okay to spend £29M on a defender in 2002, which in todays market would be equivalent to £80M but any other club spending £30M in the current market are ruining football.
Suppose we could all argue about this all day and the old story of United being self sufficient (£450M in debt) and the financial fair play league (not worth the paper it is written on) will come into discussion.
All I will say is yes I have been lucky for many reasons I have seen the shit the diabolical and the ridiculous being a City fan but I have enjoyed every minute.
Having followed City for 27years I can agree that we have never had it so good. What always seems strange to me is how so many people have a short memory. I have listed the published purchase values of both starting teams on Monday nights football
Manchester City
25 Hart - £600,000
04 Kompany - £6M
05 Zabaleta - £6.45M
06 Lescott – £22M
22 Clichy - £7M
18 Barry - £12M
19 Nasri - £25M
21 Silva - £23M
42 Y Toure - £24M
16 Aguero - £38M
32 Tevez - £25M
Total £189M
Manchester United
01 De Gea - £17M
03 Evra - £5.5M
04 Jones - £16.5M
05 Ferdinand - £29M
12 Smalling - £10M
11 Giggs Free
13 Park Ji-sung - £4M
16 Carrick - £14M
17 Nani - £18M
22 Scholes Free
10 Rooney - £25.5M
Total £139M
As you can see there was only £50M difference in both teams thats how much it now costs to be near the top of the premiership. Dont forget Liverpools wasted £100M in the last 12months to try and get there. What people do not realize is although Manchester City have broken the transfer record on numerous occasions it is forgotten that Manchester United were spending large amounts of money a lot long before anybody else was.
I always find it confusing that United are okay to spend £29M on a defender in 2002, which in todays market would be equivalent to £80M but any other club spending £30M in the current market are ruining football.
Suppose we could all argue about this all day and the old story of United being self sufficient (£450M in debt) and the financial fair play league (not worth the paper it is written on) will come into discussion.
All I will say is yes I have been lucky for many reasons I have seen the shit the diabolical and the ridiculous being a City fan but I have enjoyed every minute.
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Man City V Man Utd, by Coach on May 2, 2012 17:00:32 GMT 1, Hart was a bargain!
Hart was a bargain!
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Man City V Man Utd, by bigtlt on May 2, 2012 17:01:33 GMT 1, But the money United spent is money they made themselves through good business, good management and investing in youth.
City are basically a billionaires toy..
What they have done is no better than typing in a cheat code on football manager so that you have unlimited funds.
But the money United spent is money they made themselves through good business, good management and investing in youth.
City are basically a billionaires toy..
What they have done is no better than typing in a cheat code on football manager so that you have unlimited funds.
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Man City V Man Utd, by kel on May 2, 2012 17:18:42 GMT 1, But the money United spent is money they made themselves through good business, good management and investing in youth. City are basically a billionaires toy.. What they have done is no better than typing in a cheat code on football manager so that you have unlimited funds.
That is a fair view however to have a balance sheet of £450M in debt is not classed as sound practice. They were either over valuating the company for the stock market or they never really did have a sound business practice and all was a gamble on success.
Anyway I would not want to grace this Art Forum with football talk just wanted to put through a point of view that tends to get forgotten. Such as Huddersfield have more league titles than City. So one step at a time.
But the money United spent is money they made themselves through good business, good management and investing in youth. City are basically a billionaires toy.. What they have done is no better than typing in a cheat code on football manager so that you have unlimited funds. That is a fair view however to have a balance sheet of £450M in debt is not classed as sound practice. They were either over valuating the company for the stock market or they never really did have a sound business practice and all was a gamble on success. Anyway I would not want to grace this Art Forum with football talk just wanted to put through a point of view that tends to get forgotten. Such as Huddersfield have more league titles than City. So one step at a time. |
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Man City V Man Utd, by warsaw project on May 2, 2012 18:08:26 GMT 1, Having followed City for 27years I can agree that we have never had it so good. What always seems strange to me is how so many people have a short memory. I have listed the published purchase values of both starting teams on Monday nights football Manchester City 25 Hart - £600,000 04 Kompany - £6M 05 Zabaleta - £6.45M 06 Lescott – £22M 22 Clichy - £7M 18 Barry - £12M 19 Nasri - £25M 21 Silva - £23M 42 Y Toure - £24M 16 Aguero - £38M 32 Tevez - £25M Total £189M Manchester United 01 De Gea - £17M 03 Evra - £5.5M 04 Jones - £16.5M 05 Ferdinand - £29M 12 Smalling - £10M 11 Giggs Free 13 Park Ji-sung - £4M 16 Carrick - £14M 17 Nani - £18M 22 Scholes Free 10 Rooney - £25.5M Total £139M As you can see there was only £50M difference in both teams thats how much it now costs to be near the top of the premiership. Dont forget Liverpools wasted £100M in the last 12months to try and get there. What people do not realize is although Manchester City have broken the transfer record on numerous occasions it is forgotten that Manchester United were spending large amounts of money a lot long before anybody else was. I always find it confusing that United are okay to spend £29M on a defender in 2002, which in todays market would be equivalent to £80M but any other club spending £30M in the current market are ruining football. Suppose we could all argue about this all day and the old story of United being self sufficient (£450M in debt) and the financial fair play league (not worth the paper it is written on) will come into discussion. All I will say is yes I have been lucky for many reasons I have seen the s**t the diabolical and the ridiculous being a City fan but I have enjoyed every minute.
Sure if you did the Wage bill's though Citys would be double that of Uniteds!
That's the question mark for me over big money owners coming into the league, the Fee isn't necessarily the be all and end all...... I know we at Arsenal wouldn't be able to come close to pay these wage bills as a company trying to keep the books balanced rather pumping endless streams of cash into the club.... Do agree with some of your points though And its going to be a thrilling end to the season! Good Luck
Having followed City for 27years I can agree that we have never had it so good. What always seems strange to me is how so many people have a short memory. I have listed the published purchase values of both starting teams on Monday nights football Manchester City 25 Hart - £600,000 04 Kompany - £6M 05 Zabaleta - £6.45M 06 Lescott – £22M 22 Clichy - £7M 18 Barry - £12M 19 Nasri - £25M 21 Silva - £23M 42 Y Toure - £24M 16 Aguero - £38M 32 Tevez - £25M Total £189M Manchester United 01 De Gea - £17M 03 Evra - £5.5M 04 Jones - £16.5M 05 Ferdinand - £29M 12 Smalling - £10M 11 Giggs Free 13 Park Ji-sung - £4M 16 Carrick - £14M 17 Nani - £18M 22 Scholes Free 10 Rooney - £25.5M Total £139M As you can see there was only £50M difference in both teams thats how much it now costs to be near the top of the premiership. Dont forget Liverpools wasted £100M in the last 12months to try and get there. What people do not realize is although Manchester City have broken the transfer record on numerous occasions it is forgotten that Manchester United were spending large amounts of money a lot long before anybody else was. I always find it confusing that United are okay to spend £29M on a defender in 2002, which in todays market would be equivalent to £80M but any other club spending £30M in the current market are ruining football. Suppose we could all argue about this all day and the old story of United being self sufficient (£450M in debt) and the financial fair play league (not worth the paper it is written on) will come into discussion. All I will say is yes I have been lucky for many reasons I have seen the s**t the diabolical and the ridiculous being a City fan but I have enjoyed every minute. Sure if you did the Wage bill's though Citys would be double that of Uniteds! That's the question mark for me over big money owners coming into the league, the Fee isn't necessarily the be all and end all...... I know we at Arsenal wouldn't be able to come close to pay these wage bills as a company trying to keep the books balanced rather pumping endless streams of cash into the club.... Do agree with some of your points though And its going to be a thrilling end to the season! Good Luck |
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Man City V Man Utd, by eschiff on May 2, 2012 22:29:03 GMT 1, really interesting article
espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7850531/espn-magazine-sportingintelligence-global-salary-survey-espn-magazine
top 10 spending sports team across all sports
Rank Last
year Team League Avg. annual
pay $ Avg. weekly pay % change in avg. weekly Total
payroll $ (rank)
1 1 Barcelona La Liga $8,680,569 $166,934 10 $217,014,221 (1)
2 2 Real Madrid La Liga $7,796,637 $149,935 6 $194,915,932 (3)
3 10 Manchester City EPL $7,403,754 $142,380 26 $185,093,858 (4)
4 6 Chelsea EPL $6,795,899 $130,690 13 $169,897,463 (8)
5 4 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $6,278,088 $120,732 -4 $87,893,233 (63)
6 3 New York
Yankees MLB $6,186,322 $118,968 -8 $197,962,289 (2)
7 14 AC Milan Serie A $6,104,769 $117,399 8 $152,619,219 (10)
8 12 Bayern Munich Bundes. $5,907,652 $113,609 2 $170,231,332 (7)
9 13 Philadelphia Phillies MLB $5,817,965 $111,884 1 $174,538,938 (5)
10 7 Internazionale Serie A $5,700,915 $109,633 -5 $142,522,871 (12)
really interesting article espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7850531/espn-magazine-sportingintelligence-global-salary-survey-espn-magazinetop 10 spending sports team across all sports Rank Last year Team League Avg. annual pay $ Avg. weekly pay % change in avg. weekly Total payroll $ (rank) 1 1 Barcelona La Liga $8,680,569 $166,934 10 $217,014,221 (1) 2 2 Real Madrid La Liga $7,796,637 $149,935 6 $194,915,932 (3) 3 10 Manchester City EPL $7,403,754 $142,380 26 $185,093,858 (4) 4 6 Chelsea EPL $6,795,899 $130,690 13 $169,897,463 (8) 5 4 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $6,278,088 $120,732 -4 $87,893,233 (63) 6 3 New York Yankees MLB $6,186,322 $118,968 -8 $197,962,289 (2) 7 14 AC Milan Serie A $6,104,769 $117,399 8 $152,619,219 (10) 8 12 Bayern Munich Bundes. $5,907,652 $113,609 2 $170,231,332 (7) 9 13 Philadelphia Phillies MLB $5,817,965 $111,884 1 $174,538,938 (5) 10 7 Internazionale Serie A $5,700,915 $109,633 -5 $142,522,871 (12) |
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Man City V Man Utd, by eschiff on May 2, 2012 22:29:28 GMT 1, wow that formatted horribly, check the link to see the table
wow that formatted horribly, check the link to see the table
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Man City V Man Utd, by Warm Gun on May 2, 2012 23:04:06 GMT 1, But the money United spent is money they made themselves through good business, good management and investing in youth. City are basically a billionaires toy.. What they have done is no better than typing in a cheat code on football manager so that you have unlimited funds.
This was United's financial situation this time last year.........
Latest figures show that United have debts of £478million on their books, while a further £369m has been spent in that period on loan interest and fees - from the club's coffers......
This doesn't exactly sound like fair play either and you've been doing it for years. It's a shame that UEFA don't have the balls or the power to implement the wage caps and transfer caps that they'd like to. A tiny selection of European teams have all the power and United is one of them. I think United fans are just a little bit jealous that City have cash to burn and are starting to force their way into the g14 group. For a United fan to criticise City's finances is all a bit rich in my opinion. You've been muscling in and buying everyone's best players on borrowed money for decades now.
But the money United spent is money they made themselves through good business, good management and investing in youth. City are basically a billionaires toy.. What they have done is no better than typing in a cheat code on football manager so that you have unlimited funds. This was United's financial situation this time last year......... Latest figures show that United have debts of £478million on their books, while a further £369m has been spent in that period on loan interest and fees - from the club's coffers...... This doesn't exactly sound like fair play either and you've been doing it for years. It's a shame that UEFA don't have the balls or the power to implement the wage caps and transfer caps that they'd like to. A tiny selection of European teams have all the power and United is one of them. I think United fans are just a little bit jealous that City have cash to burn and are starting to force their way into the g14 group. For a United fan to criticise City's finances is all a bit rich in my opinion. You've been muscling in and buying everyone's best players on borrowed money for decades now. |
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Man City V Man Utd, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on May 2, 2012 23:42:33 GMT 1, Gutted Bolton lost, I want to see QPR go down.. still 2 games to plat though.
Gutted Bolton lost, I want to see QPR go down.. still 2 games to plat though.
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Man City V Man Utd, by connecta1 on May 3, 2012 10:14:27 GMT 1, ...today I'll mostly be watching this on repeat:
...today I'll mostly be watching this on repeat:
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Man City V Man Utd, by eschiff on May 3, 2012 10:19:09 GMT 1, what a goal!
what a goal!
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Man City V Man Utd, by eschiff on May 3, 2012 10:36:05 GMT 1, what a signing
what a signing
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three or four of our squad from a few years ago are now playing for clubs in the Prem. If you sell your best assets, then it's the ones with the money that will benefit.
