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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by highly framable on Sept 5, 2014 1:27:14 GMT 1, What's that got to do with censorship of the Arts in Singapore??? If we want to know about Ai Wei Wei we google, yahoo or Bing him But Singapore closes down Art events and you don't bother....why is that??? Because of his courage, art and actions. His influence and inspiration.
(sorry it's on Youtube, you'll need VPN)
Ai Weiwei Challenges Chinaโs Government Over Earthquake News BY Katherine Grube from Jul/Aug 2009 China
The Chinese government rarely makes concessions to its citizens, especially when it involves allegations of governmental mismanagement and the actions of artist Ai Weiwei. However, the governmentโs unexpected announcement on May 5 that 5,335 students died in last yearโs Sichuan earthquake appears to have been in response to efforts by Ai Weiwei and other Chinese activists to call the government into account for the deaths. This was the first official figure released in what has become a politically sensitive issue following accusations from parents that substandard construction caused the collapse of more than 7,000 classrooms in the region.
Chinaโs release of the number, without any names attached, was a major concession to activists whose escalating calls for official statistics fueled an international media frenzy during the one-year anniversary. The official toll of the earthquake is 68,712 dead with 18,500 listed as missing and presumed dead. Following the May 12, 2008, earthquake, the Chinese government pledged to publicly investigate the schoolsโ collapse, but subsequently reneged on that promise, even suggesting that the student deaths were the result of natural causes rather than faulty construction.
On May 29, at shortly after midnight in Beijing, Aiโs personal blog [blog.sina.com.cn/aiweiwei] was shut down by authorities in the middle of the two-day Duanwu (โMid-Summerโ) Festival holiday, when many businesses and government offices in greater China were closed. Aiโs posts on May 26, 27 and 28 recounted several incidents of police surveillance, including the tapping of his phone and his being followed by police.
Aiโs 76-year-old mother recently became a target of police attention as well. On May 26, four plainclothes policemen entered her home in eastern Beijing and interrogated her about Aiโs residence near the airport. She then phoned her son, who was attending a reception at the American Embassy for United States congresswoman Nancy Pelosi. After receiving her call, Ai rushed home. When the officers in his motherโs house refused to present identification, Ai dialed the emergency number 110. Additional police officers soon arrived and all parties went to the local police station to file a report, a copy of which was never provided to the artist.
Ai vented his frustrations with the opaque proceedings of the police in a short statement posted on his Google Group โCitzensโ Surveyโโwhich he uses to post articles deleted from his personal blogโon May 27. Ai writes: โCitizens arenโt soft persimmons, and who you offend today may not be so easy to push around tomorrow. Donโt take and eat, and then turn around and feign ignorance.โ
As previously reported in ArtAsiaPacific 63 (May/June), Aiโs blog served as an online platform for the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project, an effort conducted by more than 50 researchers and volunteers to collect the names of the deceased students in towns across Sichuan province. Affiliated researchers traveled extensively within the affected region, recording their findings on Aiโs blog. Ai had originally planned to use this documentation in an artwork or an event to commemorate the earthquake.
While no specific event was held on May 12, as of May 23, the project has recorded the names of 5,190 students. Ai notes that the majority of those deathsโaround 3,500โoccurred in just 18 of the 14,000 damaged schools. He is quick to point out the discrepancy between his figure and the governmentโs, and he openly questions the veracity of the governmentโs numbers in light of their reluctance to release a list of names. A May 23 entry on Aiโs blog, which details the projectโs methodology and findings to date, was meant to contrast with the governmentโs silence about its methodology. The artist believes his current figure represents 80 percent of those killed.
Foreign and Chinese journalists, initially allowed into the affected regions in the weeks after the 2008 earthquake, have since been subject to heavy restrictions. In the weeks surrounding the one-year anniversary, reporters from The Economist, The New York Times and other media outlets were repeatedly denied entry to affected areas. Researchers, including volunteers affiliated with the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project, became targets of police harassment, or were arrested and detained. One researcher in Sichuan reported being arrested 15 times. The significant international coverage of the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project may have contributed to volunteersโ difficulties.
For nearly four months after Ai began reporting his findings, the artistโs blog remained uncensoredโa remarkable feat given his harsh criticism of the regimeโs handling of the disaster. However, in the week leading up to and following the May 12 anniversary, his blog entries were systemically censored or deleted. Access to the blog remained open until May 28, but posts related to Sichuan were removed within hours. All internet portals in China, whether Chinese-owned or international, are required to remove or block web content deemed illicit by the government. Censorship had been uneven and blog content related to the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project remains accessible in English language translation on numerous news aggregators. Beginning May 21, Ai circumvented censors by creating a public Google Group forum where he posted previously deleted blog entries. The forum was accessible via a hyperlink in the sidebar of Aiโs sina.com blog.
The blogโs content changed to reflect the experiences of Aiโs researchers, and the increasingly strident editorial tone of his posts leading up to and since May 12 might have triggered recent censorship. Throughout April, Aiโs posts assumed a more journalistic and increasingly frustrated tone.
On May 16, in a post that was deleted within hours, Ai accused Chinese authorities of widespread negligence and malfeasance in Sichuan. Speaking to the victims and about the government, he wrote: โYour suffering and despair are yours alone . . . Their main task is to corruptly squander your wealth while sternly ordering you to keep secrets, misleading you to preserve your unhappiness. Because your misfortune is their great fortune.โ Like earlier user-replies that included letters of thanks and stories of hardship, Aiโs May 16 outcry elicited sympathetic responses from readers. One commenter writes: โI support you, you are my single thread of hope in the darkness.โ
A post on May 17, which was removed within hours, records researcher Zhao Yingโs efforts to recover two laptops, a camera and other personal effects confiscated by the Qingyang District police office in Sichuanโs capital city, Chengdu. Identifying the policemen by name and badge number, Zhao details the hours he spent at the station, which concluded with the police chief asking: โAre you still investigating the official statistics?โ and โWho do you work for?โ before summarily dismissing him. On two separate occasions, researchers by the last name of Lu and Yang were beaten in the towns of Qingchuan and Jiangyou. Victimโs families and foreign correspondents unrelated to Aiโs project have reported similar treatment when investigating the aftermath of the quake.
Aiโs studio is discussing how best to memorialize the student deaths. Currently, the Museum of Contemporary Art, Shanghai, is exhibiting a memorial work, entitled Snake Bag, which consists of 360 grey and black backpacks that create a 15 meter-long snake. In its upcoming solo show, โAccording to What?โ which will open on July 25 at Tokyoโs Mori Art Museum, will include a materially similar work, Snake Ceiling (2009), in which coiled snake bodies will hang from a gallery ceiling. Munichโs Haus der Kunst also has plans to unveil an artwork related to the research project at Aiโs solo show, โIs There Going to be a Title?โ which will open on October 12.
On the morning of May 26, a post on Aiโs blog called for volunteers with engineering and technical expertise to aid in a โconstruction standards investigation,โ a future Sichuan earthquake-related initiative. The post suggests that the privately conducted, state-sponsored investigations have been deeply flawed. Volunteers are asked to contact FAKE Design Studio to assist with their ongoing inquiry into the collapsed schoolsโ structural integrity.
What's that got to do with censorship of the Arts in Singapore??? If we want to know about Ai Wei Wei we google, yahoo or Bing him But Singapore closes down Art events and you don't bother....why is that??? Because of his courage, art and actions. His influence and inspiration. (sorry it's on Youtube, you'll need VPN) Ai Weiwei Challenges Chinaโs Government Over Earthquake News BY Katherine Grube from Jul/Aug 2009 China The Chinese government rarely makes concessions to its citizens, especially when it involves allegations of governmental mismanagement and the actions of artist Ai Weiwei. However, the governmentโs unexpected announcement on May 5 that 5,335 students died in last yearโs Sichuan earthquake appears to have been in response to efforts by Ai Weiwei and other Chinese activists to call the government into account for the deaths. This was the first official figure released in what has become a politically sensitive issue following accusations from parents that substandard construction caused the collapse of more than 7,000 classrooms in the region. Chinaโs release of the number, without any names attached, was a major concession to activists whose escalating calls for official statistics fueled an international media frenzy during the one-year anniversary. The official toll of the earthquake is 68,712 dead with 18,500 listed as missing and presumed dead. Following the May 12, 2008, earthquake, the Chinese government pledged to publicly investigate the schoolsโ collapse, but subsequently reneged on that promise, even suggesting that the student deaths were the result of natural causes rather than faulty construction. On May 29, at shortly after midnight in Beijing, Aiโs personal blog [blog.sina.com.cn/aiweiwei] was shut down by authorities in the middle of the two-day Duanwu (โMid-Summerโ) Festival holiday, when many businesses and government offices in greater China were closed. Aiโs posts on May 26, 27 and 28 recounted several incidents of police surveillance, including the tapping of his phone and his being followed by police. Aiโs 76-year-old mother recently became a target of police attention as well. On May 26, four plainclothes policemen entered her home in eastern Beijing and interrogated her about Aiโs residence near the airport. She then phoned her son, who was attending a reception at the American Embassy for United States congresswoman Nancy Pelosi. After receiving her call, Ai rushed home. When the officers in his motherโs house refused to present identification, Ai dialed the emergency number 110. Additional police officers soon arrived and all parties went to the local police station to file a report, a copy of which was never provided to the artist. Ai vented his frustrations with the opaque proceedings of the police in a short statement posted on his Google Group โCitzensโ Surveyโโwhich he uses to post articles deleted from his personal blogโon May 27. Ai writes: โCitizens arenโt soft persimmons, and who you offend today may not be so easy to push around tomorrow. Donโt take and eat, and then turn around and feign ignorance.โ As previously reported in ArtAsiaPacific 63 (May/June), Aiโs blog served as an online platform for the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project, an effort conducted by more than 50 researchers and volunteers to collect the names of the deceased students in towns across Sichuan province. Affiliated researchers traveled extensively within the affected region, recording their findings on Aiโs blog. Ai had originally planned to use this documentation in an artwork or an event to commemorate the earthquake. While no specific event was held on May 12, as of May 23, the project has recorded the names of 5,190 students. Ai notes that the majority of those deathsโaround 3,500โoccurred in just 18 of the 14,000 damaged schools. He is quick to point out the discrepancy between his figure and the governmentโs, and he openly questions the veracity of the governmentโs numbers in light of their reluctance to release a list of names. A May 23 entry on Aiโs blog, which details the projectโs methodology and findings to date, was meant to contrast with the governmentโs silence about its methodology. The artist believes his current figure represents 80 percent of those killed. Foreign and Chinese journalists, initially allowed into the affected regions in the weeks after the 2008 earthquake, have since been subject to heavy restrictions. In the weeks surrounding the one-year anniversary, reporters from The Economist, The New York Times and other media outlets were repeatedly denied entry to affected areas. Researchers, including volunteers affiliated with the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project, became targets of police harassment, or were arrested and detained. One researcher in Sichuan reported being arrested 15 times. The significant international coverage of the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project may have contributed to volunteersโ difficulties. For nearly four months after Ai began reporting his findings, the artistโs blog remained uncensoredโa remarkable feat given his harsh criticism of the regimeโs handling of the disaster. However, in the week leading up to and following the May 12 anniversary, his blog entries were systemically censored or deleted. Access to the blog remained open until May 28, but posts related to Sichuan were removed within hours. All internet portals in China, whether Chinese-owned or international, are required to remove or block web content deemed illicit by the government. Censorship had been uneven and blog content related to the Sichuan Earthquake Names Project remains accessible in English language translation on numerous news aggregators. Beginning May 21, Ai circumvented censors by creating a public Google Group forum where he posted previously deleted blog entries. The forum was accessible via a hyperlink in the sidebar of Aiโs sina.com blog. The blogโs content changed to reflect the experiences of Aiโs researchers, and the increasingly strident editorial tone of his posts leading up to and since May 12 might have triggered recent censorship. Throughout April, Aiโs posts assumed a more journalistic and increasingly frustrated tone. On May 16, in a post that was deleted within hours, Ai accused Chinese authorities of widespread negligence and malfeasance in Sichuan. Speaking to the victims and about the government, he wrote: โYour suffering and despair are yours alone . . . Their main task is to corruptly squander your wealth while sternly ordering you to keep secrets, misleading you to preserve your unhappiness. Because your misfortune is their great fortune.โ Like earlier user-replies that included letters of thanks and stories of hardship, Aiโs May 16 outcry elicited sympathetic responses from readers. One commenter writes: โI support you, you are my single thread of hope in the darkness.โ A post on May 17, which was removed within hours, records researcher Zhao Yingโs efforts to recover two laptops, a camera and other personal effects confiscated by the Qingyang District police office in Sichuanโs capital city, Chengdu. Identifying the policemen by name and badge number, Zhao details the hours he spent at the station, which concluded with the police chief asking: โAre you still investigating the official statistics?โ and โWho do you work for?โ before summarily dismissing him. On two separate occasions, researchers by the last name of Lu and Yang were beaten in the towns of Qingchuan and Jiangyou. Victimโs families and foreign correspondents unrelated to Aiโs project have reported similar treatment when investigating the aftermath of the quake. Aiโs studio is discussing how best to memorialize the student deaths. Currently, the Museum of Contemporary Art, Shanghai, is exhibiting a memorial work, entitled Snake Bag, which consists of 360 grey and black backpacks that create a 15 meter-long snake. In its upcoming solo show, โAccording to What?โ which will open on July 25 at Tokyoโs Mori Art Museum, will include a materially similar work, Snake Ceiling (2009), in which coiled snake bodies will hang from a gallery ceiling. Munichโs Haus der Kunst also has plans to unveil an artwork related to the research project at Aiโs solo show, โIs There Going to be a Title?โ which will open on October 12. On the morning of May 26, a post on Aiโs blog called for volunteers with engineering and technical expertise to aid in a โconstruction standards investigation,โ a future Sichuan earthquake-related initiative. The post suggests that the privately conducted, state-sponsored investigations have been deeply flawed. Volunteers are asked to contact FAKE Design Studio to assist with their ongoing inquiry into the collapsed schoolsโ structural integrity.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 5, 2014 1:53:06 GMT 1, But this is just old old news.
We know this and we all know he was treated badly etc etc no one is denying this etc etc. We all know about the earthquake etc we all know lots of school children died. The terrible tragedy that it was etc etc
However now he is raking in millions from his shows around the world and living easily in Beijing.
There are no police outside his studio, he is not followed etc he eats in fancy restaurants and posts video's doing the ALS challenge.
Sorry but that the way it is. Go up read his interview in Timeout. I notice you have not made one comment on what he says in it. Or the fact that after saying he was disappearing from the internet you can easily look him up here. The bing search says it's censored.
It strikes me you would rather see him persecuted so that you would have a cause to shout about!!
Which just seems wrong to me
But this is just old old news.
We know this and we all know he was treated badly etc etc no one is denying this etc etc. We all know about the earthquake etc we all know lots of school children died. The terrible tragedy that it was etc etc
However now he is raking in millions from his shows around the world and living easily in Beijing.
There are no police outside his studio, he is not followed etc he eats in fancy restaurants and posts video's doing the ALS challenge.
Sorry but that the way it is. Go up read his interview in Timeout. I notice you have not made one comment on what he says in it. Or the fact that after saying he was disappearing from the internet you can easily look him up here. The bing search says it's censored.
It strikes me you would rather see him persecuted so that you would have a cause to shout about!!
Which just seems wrong to me
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Gentle Mental on Sept 5, 2014 3:40:15 GMT 1, This one? Great interview. Widely available in China via bing, China's google, TIMEOUT Beijing/Shanghai. Yay. Now, dear artists and art lovers, let's all help this guy get his passport back, shall we? He really missed the UK.
Ai Weiwei interview: 'I don't think I'm that important'
Since his release from detention in 2011, artist Ai Weiwei has been barred from leaving China. But that hasnโt stopped him from becoming one of the most famous artists in the world. On the eve of a London show, Time Out visits him to discuss surveillance, success and staying visible
By Aaron Fox-Lerner Fri May 16 2014 0
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ยฉ Ai Weiwei; portrait: Gao Yuan
There are no police officers outside Ai Weiwei's grey brick studio when Time Out visits him on a chilly Beijing morning. This is a noticeable change. Until recently, the plainclothes officers parked continuously outside Ai's studio on the outskirts of the city were as constant a presence as the cats roaming his compound and the flowers he places in the basket on a bicycle out front every day, a subtle form of protest on Ai's part that represents his lack of freedom to travel abroad or show work in China. He still does not have his passport. Yet, while the authorities have tried to make Ai invisible inside China, the artist has responded by maintaining a high profile on the international scene. He's currently the subject of a major retrospective at the Brooklyn Museum. He's also managed to keep up a non-stop social-media presence, even popping up recently in a selfie with US lifestyle guru Martha Stewart. This week, a show of his new works opens at the Lisson Gallery. We asked Ai about how he squares his roles as dissident and art star, and how this paradoxical situation has informed his latest output.
Your new show focuses on objects such as gas masks, handcuffs and bicycles. What's the connection between them? 'These are mostly objects that relate to my small world. For example, the "Forever" bicycles [pictured, right] were a brand from when I was growing up. In our village there were no real roads and we always had to ride bikes to carry things. I thought they would be good for a public sculpture because people relate to bikes. They're designed for the body and operated with your body. There are few things today that are like that.' โI may not be the best artist but I really am the best remote-control artistโ
Do you miss being able to visit London? 'I miss London. London is what we can really call a civil society, which is a term you cannot even mention in China - they think that's some kind of dirty word. British culture today is very sophisticated. I enjoyed every minute when I was there and hopefully one day I can visit again. Especially after I was released from detention, I was so touched and shocked to see people in London and in the art community giving such support. They openly confronted my condition and really supported freedom of speech. I think sensing that made my personal condition become acceptable.'
How do you manage the installation of your work when you can't be there? 'I may not be the best artist, but I really am the best remote-control artist. I use the internet, Skype and communication of all kinds. I've done dozens of shows without being there because I still communicate with the organiser and the viewers.'
Do you think the Chinese authorities' attitude toward you has changed? 'They're much more open towards me and much more relaxed. Nobody follows me if I go out - there's no car outside. I can travel within China quite freely and nobody says: "Where are you going?" They've given me maximum freedom, I should say, to do my work and even talk to you. So I consider that a very friendly attitude toward me.'
ยฉ Ai Weiwei
Have they tried to restrict your art? 'No. They've been very clear in that sense. Although I don't think they're really satisfied with the result. They think there must be some kind of meaning there or some kind of conspiracy behind it.'
Do you see your art and activism as separate? 'No. My activism is actually only for my art, for my essential rights. To protect those rights, I became a so-called activist. It's inseparable from my art. Art needs protection; freedom of speech needs protection. Through art I make the argument and through my argument I may make art.'
Do you worry that by being such a high-profile artist and activist you might overshadow those who don't have the kind of voice you do? 'I think this is a world with competition. Even for freedom, there's still competition. I don't think you can really overshadow a voice if that voice has an idea behind it. I didn't even know I was an international celebrity [for a long time], because in the years I became famous, I wasn't out in the world - I was here [in my studio]. I told the authorities that they've made me much more popular in the past few years.' โPeople have too many fantasies about what art is aboutโ
Do you think you've become more popular in China as well? 'Much more. Mainly with people who can get information from outside and who can get on the internet. I think it's more with young people. They just don't understand why I have to be punished like this. A lot of people think there's no possibility [of change] here, but I'm a little bit naive. In the evening I become so desperate and disappointed, but in the morning I'm refreshed again.'
You can now buy Ai Weiwei mobile phone covers, umbrellas, and any number of other products. How do you feel about this commercialisation of your image? 'I have no problem with people using my image as long as it carries symbolic meaning. Of course I hate things that aren't done well, that are trash or crap, but in my position I can't really control that, even if I wanted to.'
You run a large studio and much of your work is outsourced to craftspeople. Do you worry about your art becoming impersonal? 'No. I hope my work can be as impersonal as possible because I don't think I'm that important. I'm the one who initiates it, who guides it, and is controlling the idea, but I don't care if it's mine or not. People have too many fantasies about what art is about. Art is about ideas, about decisions, about expression and about communication. I'm really good at expression and communication. Andy Warhol is a perfect model for me.'
If your work's about communication, then do you see your internet presence as an extension of your art or a possible replacement for it? 'Actually, the internet is not an extension of my art; my art is an extension of the internet. If there's no internet, there's no Ai Weiwei of today. I'm a pure product of the internet.'
This one? Great interview. Widely available in China via bing, China's google, TIMEOUT Beijing/Shanghai. Yay. Now, dear artists and art lovers, let's all help this guy get his passport back, shall we? He really missed the UK.
Ai Weiwei interview: 'I don't think I'm that important'
Since his release from detention in 2011, artist Ai Weiwei has been barred from leaving China. But that hasnโt stopped him from becoming one of the most famous artists in the world. On the eve of a London show, Time Out visits him to discuss surveillance, success and staying visible
By Aaron Fox-Lerner Fri May 16 2014 0
Comments Add +
ยฉ Ai Weiwei; portrait: Gao Yuan
There are no police officers outside Ai Weiwei's grey brick studio when Time Out visits him on a chilly Beijing morning. This is a noticeable change. Until recently, the plainclothes officers parked continuously outside Ai's studio on the outskirts of the city were as constant a presence as the cats roaming his compound and the flowers he places in the basket on a bicycle out front every day, a subtle form of protest on Ai's part that represents his lack of freedom to travel abroad or show work in China. He still does not have his passport. Yet, while the authorities have tried to make Ai invisible inside China, the artist has responded by maintaining a high profile on the international scene. He's currently the subject of a major retrospective at the Brooklyn Museum. He's also managed to keep up a non-stop social-media presence, even popping up recently in a selfie with US lifestyle guru Martha Stewart. This week, a show of his new works opens at the Lisson Gallery. We asked Ai about how he squares his roles as dissident and art star, and how this paradoxical situation has informed his latest output.
Your new show focuses on objects such as gas masks, handcuffs and bicycles. What's the connection between them? 'These are mostly objects that relate to my small world. For example, the "Forever" bicycles [pictured, right] were a brand from when I was growing up. In our village there were no real roads and we always had to ride bikes to carry things. I thought they would be good for a public sculpture because people relate to bikes. They're designed for the body and operated with your body. There are few things today that are like that.' โI may not be the best artist but I really am the best remote-control artistโ
Do you miss being able to visit London? 'I miss London. London is what we can really call a civil society, which is a term you cannot even mention in China - they think that's some kind of dirty word. British culture today is very sophisticated. I enjoyed every minute when I was there and hopefully one day I can visit again. Especially after I was released from detention, I was so touched and shocked to see people in London and in the art community giving such support. They openly confronted my condition and really supported freedom of speech. I think sensing that made my personal condition become acceptable.'
How do you manage the installation of your work when you can't be there? 'I may not be the best artist, but I really am the best remote-control artist. I use the internet, Skype and communication of all kinds. I've done dozens of shows without being there because I still communicate with the organiser and the viewers.'
Do you think the Chinese authorities' attitude toward you has changed? 'They're much more open towards me and much more relaxed. Nobody follows me if I go out - there's no car outside. I can travel within China quite freely and nobody says: "Where are you going?" They've given me maximum freedom, I should say, to do my work and even talk to you. So I consider that a very friendly attitude toward me.'
ยฉ Ai Weiwei
Have they tried to restrict your art? 'No. They've been very clear in that sense. Although I don't think they're really satisfied with the result. They think there must be some kind of meaning there or some kind of conspiracy behind it.'
Do you see your art and activism as separate? 'No. My activism is actually only for my art, for my essential rights. To protect those rights, I became a so-called activist. It's inseparable from my art. Art needs protection; freedom of speech needs protection. Through art I make the argument and through my argument I may make art.'
Do you worry that by being such a high-profile artist and activist you might overshadow those who don't have the kind of voice you do? 'I think this is a world with competition. Even for freedom, there's still competition. I don't think you can really overshadow a voice if that voice has an idea behind it. I didn't even know I was an international celebrity [for a long time], because in the years I became famous, I wasn't out in the world - I was here [in my studio]. I told the authorities that they've made me much more popular in the past few years.' โPeople have too many fantasies about what art is aboutโ
Do you think you've become more popular in China as well? 'Much more. Mainly with people who can get information from outside and who can get on the internet. I think it's more with young people. They just don't understand why I have to be punished like this. A lot of people think there's no possibility [of change] here, but I'm a little bit naive. In the evening I become so desperate and disappointed, but in the morning I'm refreshed again.'
You can now buy Ai Weiwei mobile phone covers, umbrellas, and any number of other products. How do you feel about this commercialisation of your image? 'I have no problem with people using my image as long as it carries symbolic meaning. Of course I hate things that aren't done well, that are trash or crap, but in my position I can't really control that, even if I wanted to.'
You run a large studio and much of your work is outsourced to craftspeople. Do you worry about your art becoming impersonal? 'No. I hope my work can be as impersonal as possible because I don't think I'm that important. I'm the one who initiates it, who guides it, and is controlling the idea, but I don't care if it's mine or not. People have too many fantasies about what art is about. Art is about ideas, about decisions, about expression and about communication. I'm really good at expression and communication. Andy Warhol is a perfect model for me.'
If your work's about communication, then do you see your internet presence as an extension of your art or a possible replacement for it? 'Actually, the internet is not an extension of my art; my art is an extension of the internet. If there's no internet, there's no Ai Weiwei of today. I'm a pure product of the internet.'
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 5, 2014 11:52:52 GMT 1, Mmmm strikes me Gental you had little interest in Ai Wei Wei while he was being arrested etc. your campaigns started when you started selling your own prints of his image. Then you started releasing other stuff with his picture on.
thats why this passport thing is done through Highlyframable because it's a bit disappointing he is not being hounded in China, no guards at his studio, not being followed on all the search engines, doing interviews for the press Timeout Shanghai, Beijing, laughing around doing the ALS challenge
its really bad for sales isn't it you have a load of canvases and a shit load of t shirts to sell that no one wants
thats why why you use the canvas picture and your face book page is all Ai and pictures of your products that you can buy on highlyframable
I know you work for an ad agency but it's just shit marketing rather than anything to do with Ai Wei Wei
Your disappointed he is doing ok!!!! No one will buy it anymore !!!
Mmmm strikes me Gental you had little interest in Ai Wei Wei while he was being arrested etc. your campaigns started when you started selling your own prints of his image. Then you started releasing other stuff with his picture on. thats why this passport thing is done through Highlyframable because it's a bit disappointing he is not being hounded in China, no guards at his studio, not being followed on all the search engines, doing interviews for the press Timeout Shanghai, Beijing, laughing around doing the ALS challenge its really bad for sales isn't it you have a load of canvases and a shit load of t shirts to sell that no one wants thats why why you use the canvas picture and your face book page is all Ai and pictures of your products that you can buy on highlyframable I know you work for an ad agency but it's just shit marketing rather than anything to do with Ai Wei Wei Your disappointed he is doing ok!!!! No one will buy it anymore !!!
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:06:15 GMT 1, But this is just old old news. We know this and we all know he was treated badly etc etc no one is denying this etc etc. We all know about the earthquake etc we all know lots of school children died. The terrible tragedy that it was etc etc However now he is raking in millions from his shows around the world and living easily in Beijing. There are no police outside his studio, he is not followed etc he eats in fancy restaurants and posts video's doing the ALS challenge. Sorry but that the way it is. Go up read his interview in Timeout. I notice you have not made one comment on what he says in it. Or the fact that after saying he was disappearing from the internet you can easily look him up here. The bing search says it's censored. It strikes me you would rather see him persecuted so that you would have a cause to shout about!! Which just seems wrong to me Ai Wei Wei is also a bit of a t**t who deliberately insults the police with photos and other media and tries to be controversial while insulting the state and using some events to promote his name.
I'm in France and if I did the same type of insults to the flics down here would also get arrested and probably fined heavily.
Wei Wei has very rich friends like Anish Kapoor and others in the Tate style clique.
He gets the lucrative design gigs in London and other parts of europe and is promoted as a symbol of freedom against opression.
If he likes to be portrayed as a symbol of freedom in the western media it's his choice but it's all an act.
But this is just old old news. We know this and we all know he was treated badly etc etc no one is denying this etc etc. We all know about the earthquake etc we all know lots of school children died. The terrible tragedy that it was etc etc However now he is raking in millions from his shows around the world and living easily in Beijing. There are no police outside his studio, he is not followed etc he eats in fancy restaurants and posts video's doing the ALS challenge. Sorry but that the way it is. Go up read his interview in Timeout. I notice you have not made one comment on what he says in it. Or the fact that after saying he was disappearing from the internet you can easily look him up here. The bing search says it's censored. It strikes me you would rather see him persecuted so that you would have a cause to shout about!! Which just seems wrong to me Ai Wei Wei is also a bit of a t**t who deliberately insults the police with photos and other media and tries to be controversial while insulting the state and using some events to promote his name.
I'm in France and if I did the same type of insults to the flics down here would also get arrested and probably fined heavily.
Wei Wei has very rich friends like Anish Kapoor and others in the Tate style clique.
He gets the lucrative design gigs in London and other parts of europe and is promoted as a symbol of freedom against opression.
If he likes to be portrayed as a symbol of freedom in the western media it's his choice but it's all an act.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Gentle Mental on Sept 5, 2014 14:27:33 GMT 1, Totally respect your views. Here's ours. He was already successful and rich when trouble started. He was building THE BIRDS NEST. He was already in the club. The money was coming in BIG TIME. He was already the most famous Chinese artist in the world and one of the richest. Like XIAOGANG,minjun and co. And... To give all that up? To have all that money influence connections taken away? To have his studio torn down? To be detained beaten? To come so close to losing everything forever? Just so you could use your influence to speak for village children who died innocently under corruptedly built schools or tainted milk๏ผ
Totally respect your views. Here's ours. He was already successful and rich when trouble started. He was building THE BIRDS NEST. He was already in the club. The money was coming in BIG TIME. He was already the most famous Chinese artist in the world and one of the richest. Like XIAOGANG,minjun and co. And... To give all that up? To have all that money influence connections taken away? To have his studio torn down? To be detained beaten? To come so close to losing everything forever? Just so you could use your influence to speak for village children who died innocently under corruptedly built schools or tainted milk๏ผ
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 5, 2014 14:34:52 GMT 1, All very well but......
I am not criticising Ai Wei Wei here. I am criticising you who is just spreading untruths so you can have your little campaign and sell your T shirts.
You should be celebrating that he is doing ok now. Not trying to keep it going.
You need to move on....it won't sell your shirts and you canvases but hey that's life.
All very well but......
I am not criticising Ai Wei Wei here. I am criticising you who is just spreading untruths so you can have your little campaign and sell your T shirts.
You should be celebrating that he is doing ok now. Not trying to keep it going.
You need to move on....it won't sell your shirts and you canvases but hey that's life.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 16:11:45 GMT 1, Totally respect your views. Here's ours. He was already successful and rich when trouble started. He was building THE BIRDS NEST. He was already in the club. The money was coming in BIG TIME. He was already the most famous Chinese artist in the world and one of the richest. Like XIAOGANG,minjun and co. And... To give all that up? To have all that money influence connections taken away? To have his studio torn down? To be detained beaten? To come so close to losing everything forever? Just so you could use your influence to speak for village children who died innocently under corruptedly built schools or tainted milk๏ผ
My favourite Chinese artist is Nยฐ 24 and I also like number 65.
Totally respect your views. Here's ours. He was already successful and rich when trouble started. He was building THE BIRDS NEST. He was already in the club. The money was coming in BIG TIME. He was already the most famous Chinese artist in the world and one of the richest. Like XIAOGANG,minjun and co. And... To give all that up? To have all that money influence connections taken away? To have his studio torn down? To be detained beaten? To come so close to losing everything forever? Just so you could use your influence to speak for village children who died innocently under corruptedly built schools or tainted milk๏ผ
My favourite Chinese artist is Nยฐ 24 and I also like number 65.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 16:21:02 GMT 1, The birds nest was based on a Chinese fish trap.
Corruption goes on all the time including the UK and the earthquake in China was a tragedy and so was the Earthquake in Turkey where buildings collapsed because of corruption and profiteering.
Did Ai Wei Wei use the childrens school bags etc as a work of art and protest or was it purely a protest?
The birds nest was based on a Chinese fish trap.
Corruption goes on all the time including the UK and the earthquake in China was a tragedy and so was the Earthquake in Turkey where buildings collapsed because of corruption and profiteering.
Did Ai Wei Wei use the childrens school bags etc as a work of art and protest or was it purely a protest?
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Gentle Mental on Sept 5, 2014 16:53:53 GMT 1, the school bag piece used bags similar to those used by the children. it says "she lived happily in this world for 7 years." it's my favourite piece of street art ever.
the school bag piece used bags similar to those used by the children. it says "she lived happily in this world for 7 years." it's my favourite piece of street art ever.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Gentle Mental on Sept 6, 2014 12:11:39 GMT 1, All very well but...... I am not criticising Ai Wei Wei here. I am criticising you who is just spreading untruths so you can have your little campaign and sell your T shirts. You should be celebrating that he is doing ok now. Not trying to keep it going. You need to move on....it won't sell your shirts and you canvases but hey that's life.
So happy to hear your mind's changed on weiwei. We have progress.
All very well but...... I am not criticising Ai Wei Wei here. I am criticising you who is just spreading untruths so you can have your little campaign and sell your T shirts. You should be celebrating that he is doing ok now. Not trying to keep it going. You need to move on....it won't sell your shirts and you canvases but hey that's life. So happy to hear your mind's changed on weiwei. We have progress.
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johnnyh
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 6, 2014 12:14:40 GMT 1, Ha ha couldn't leave it could you??
Nothing to do with my like or dislike of Ai Wei Wei. That's not be mentioned by me either way.
That's not being discussed. You just tried to use China, Ai Wei Wei to cover up your lies in your Tshirt and canvas selling sham
as say you took little interest in what was happening to Ai Wei Wei till it was pretty much all over your campaigns started with you trying to sell stuff with his head on it
Ha ha couldn't leave it could you??
Nothing to do with my like or dislike of Ai Wei Wei. That's not be mentioned by me either way.
That's not being discussed. You just tried to use China, Ai Wei Wei to cover up your lies in your Tshirt and canvas selling sham
as say you took little interest in what was happening to Ai Wei Wei till it was pretty much all over your campaigns started with you trying to sell stuff with his head on it
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by thomasmer on Sept 6, 2014 13:00:31 GMT 1, Funny old place China, not one for it myself, and there are plenty of better campaigns out there than supporting an incredibly wealthy artist.
He's hardly struggling!
Funny old place China, not one for it myself, and there are plenty of better campaigns out there than supporting an incredibly wealthy artist.
He's hardly struggling!
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Dr Plip on Sept 6, 2014 22:31:03 GMT 1, happy to report, the campaign has reached ALCATRAZ! Prison yeah?
happy to report, the campaign has reached ALCATRAZ! Prison yeah?
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by misterx on Sept 7, 2014 0:06:16 GMT 1, Hey Johnny, any reason why you seem to hate Highly Frameable?
They are offering free stuff. Post 20 pics.
Thats all.
No Sales trickery or money changing hands. No mention of selling T shirts or canvasses. In the thread. None. YOU brought that up, even posting pictures of items for sale...
Why the attitude?
Lately I have noticed you are becoming quite aggro towards some members here who, in my opinion, had done nowt to deserve your nasty snipes....your prerogative of course.
Right.
Its Fathers Day here in OZ so off to the beach we go.
Funny how I take my freedoms for granted...
Hey Johnny, any reason why you seem to hate Highly Frameable?
They are offering free stuff. Post 20 pics.
Thats all.
No Sales trickery or money changing hands. No mention of selling T shirts or canvasses. In the thread. None. YOU brought that up, even posting pictures of items for sale...
Why the attitude?
Lately I have noticed you are becoming quite aggro towards some members here who, in my opinion, had done nowt to deserve your nasty snipes....your prerogative of course.
Right.
Its Fathers Day here in OZ so off to the beach we go.
Funny how I take my freedoms for granted...
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 7, 2014 1:50:58 GMT 1, Mr X ....you might possibly want to put your glasses on!!
Never entered the thread till it became very factually in correct. Which you only have read to see.
Highlyframable and Gentalmental are one and the same. His sudo gallery really only sells his Ai Wei Wei stuff nothing by Ai Wei Wei.
He only really became interested and started all his support Ai Wei Wei when he started selling his Ai Wei Wei products. So he has always been selling Ai Wei Wei. Prior to that he had little interest.
Your wrong though as shown in the second post it includes a pic of the canvas that is forsale. Just because it has no price on does not mean it's not for sale.
Gental I assume from the way this is has all been laid out works for an ad agency or a media company. It's a crap bit of campaign marketing. Send in your pics get a free Tshirt etc etc I get your link and will sell you some rubbish later. That's why it's not done by Gental as no links to the products he's trying to flog you. It all follows The different personalities etc etc just crap copy really. In the early days he did posts in broken English.
Things are def better for Ai Wei Wei in China not perfect etc. highly/Gental have over time while selling stuff put up the bad things not once reported back to say doing better. Have a feeling this campaign probably started by his wife..."honey get those daft Ai Wei Wei tshirts and all those bloody crap moon pictures you made out of the spare bedroom" ....hence the campaign...I can not really see any other point to this.
I had left this debate awhile back till Gental and you invited me back. Re posts after the lies in corporates in Highly's post saying he could not talk, was disappearing from the search engines .....sorry just thought the truth should be put up...apologise if that upset you. Enjoy the beach
Mr X ....you might possibly want to put your glasses on!!
Never entered the thread till it became very factually in correct. Which you only have read to see.
Highlyframable and Gentalmental are one and the same. His sudo gallery really only sells his Ai Wei Wei stuff nothing by Ai Wei Wei.
He only really became interested and started all his support Ai Wei Wei when he started selling his Ai Wei Wei products. So he has always been selling Ai Wei Wei. Prior to that he had little interest.
Your wrong though as shown in the second post it includes a pic of the canvas that is forsale. Just because it has no price on does not mean it's not for sale.
Gental I assume from the way this is has all been laid out works for an ad agency or a media company. It's a crap bit of campaign marketing. Send in your pics get a free Tshirt etc etc I get your link and will sell you some rubbish later. That's why it's not done by Gental as no links to the products he's trying to flog you. It all follows The different personalities etc etc just crap copy really. In the early days he did posts in broken English.
Things are def better for Ai Wei Wei in China not perfect etc. highly/Gental have over time while selling stuff put up the bad things not once reported back to say doing better. Have a feeling this campaign probably started by his wife..."honey get those daft Ai Wei Wei tshirts and all those bloody crap moon pictures you made out of the spare bedroom" ....hence the campaign...I can not really see any other point to this.
I had left this debate awhile back till Gental and you invited me back. Re posts after the lies in corporates in Highly's post saying he could not talk, was disappearing from the search engines .....sorry just thought the truth should be put up...apologise if that upset you. Enjoy the beach
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by thomasmer on Sept 7, 2014 2:15:58 GMT 1, Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns.
And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around.
Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy.
Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns.
And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around.
Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Gentle Mental on Sept 7, 2014 18:07:47 GMT 1, Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns. And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around. Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy. you don't need to stick stuff up and risk getting arrested. the walls of instagram awaits your protest posts! go for it people!
Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns. And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around. Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy. you don't need to stick stuff up and risk getting arrested. the walls of instagram awaits your protest posts! go for it people!
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by thomasmer on Sept 8, 2014 3:04:22 GMT 1, Yawn, same ol same ol'
Yawn, same ol same ol'
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by stvro22 on Sept 8, 2014 9:10:55 GMT 1, Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns. And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around. Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy.
Exactly.
Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns. And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around. Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy. Exactly.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by thomasmer on Sept 8, 2014 10:58:51 GMT 1, ....... if you're not careful you'll find out that your own government isn't too disimilar to the Chinese one.
Doubt Wei Wei would repay the favour.
....... if you're not careful you'll find out that your own government isn't too disimilar to the Chinese one.
Doubt Wei Wei would repay the favour.
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Gentle Mental on Sept 8, 2014 12:08:29 GMT 1, Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns. And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around. Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy. Exactly. like this?
or this?
or...
But seriously, there is no need to break the law. The web is our new wall.
Take a roller and a bucket of Whitle Emulsion and go blaze it on some walls in Singapore, I'm bored of these pretendy street art and campaigns. And please don't give me that '' you can't '' you can, you just have to be clever, and not even that clever, if this really means something to you then get stuck in and don't mince around. Just what ever you do don't pretend that the TeeShirts by Banksy. Exactly. like this? or this? or... But seriously, there is no need to break the law. The web is our new wall.
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johnnyh
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 8, 2014 17:44:58 GMT 1, "Didn't realise Birmingham was in Singapore...that's the internet for you...must keep up with all this technology"
"More tea vicar??"
"Didn't realise Birmingham was in Singapore...that's the internet for you...must keep up with all this technology"
"More tea vicar??"
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johnnyh
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 8, 2014 17:52:45 GMT 1, But seriously, there is no need to break the law. The web is our new wall. May be you should tell Ai Wei Wei that!!
we could have been discussing the latest WCP fake!!
very odd
But seriously, there is no need to break the law. The web is our new wall. May be you should tell Ai Wei Wei that!! we could have been discussing the latest WCP fake!! very odd
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 9, 2014 12:50:16 GMT 1, Think your Sing pics just highlight how much normal freedoms are restricted and how severe the punishments are for breaking the law.
Possibly this would be a better campaign and more useful than this daft Ai Wei Wei one. He is a very rich artist.
ya probably won't sell as many Ai Wei products though!!
Think your Sing pics just highlight how much normal freedoms are restricted and how severe the punishments are for breaking the law.
Possibly this would be a better campaign and more useful than this daft Ai Wei Wei one. He is a very rich artist.
ya probably won't sell as many Ai Wei products though!!
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by erik on Sept 9, 2014 19:05:13 GMT 1, Please help me understand. Is it more ok to take away a rich persons passport than a poor persons?
Please help me understand. Is it more ok to take away a rich persons passport than a poor persons?
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Sept 9, 2014 19:21:02 GMT 1, Please help me understand. Is it more ok to take away a rich persons passport than a poor persons? Most poor people struggle to eat so don't apply for a passport let alone worry about which countries to travel to to see their multi million dollar installations.
So I am not that sure either way
Please help me understand. Is it more ok to take away a rich persons passport than a poor persons? Most poor people struggle to eat so don't apply for a passport let alone worry about which countries to travel to to see their multi million dollar installations. So I am not that sure either way
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Zhao ๐ธ๐ฌ Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 19:25:21 GMT 1, Please help me understand. Is it more ok to take away a rich persons passport than a poor persons? Rich person with no passport cant go anywhere but has loads of money, poor person with passport cant go anywhere cause theyve no money, if rich person gave poor person loadsa money for passport then poor person has loadsa money cant go anywhere and rich person has passport but no money to go anywhere so they effectively swap places, nothings changed.. On the other hand if you take away a poor mans passport he probably wont give a toss as hes no spending money anyway. So my answers no
Please help me understand. Is it more ok to take away a rich persons passport than a poor persons? Rich person with no passport cant go anywhere but has loads of money, poor person with passport cant go anywhere cause theyve no money, if rich person gave poor person loadsa money for passport then poor person has loadsa money cant go anywhere and rich person has passport but no money to go anywhere so they effectively swap places, nothings changed.. On the other hand if you take away a poor mans passport he probably wont give a toss as hes no spending money anyway. So my answers no
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