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Is this the end of banksy?, by fingerz on Jul 29, 2012 20:39:02 GMT 1, and this time next week £1200 ...
and this time next week £1200 ...
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 20:49:53 GMT 1, those was selling for 5k now you can have those for lest than 3700.
If Banksy prints are losing £300 a week my CYW I just bought has lost £900. Should of float mounted the money instead.
those was selling for 5k now you can have those for lest than 3700. If Banksy prints are losing £300 a week my CYW I just bought has lost £900. Should of float mounted the money instead.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by love on Jul 29, 2012 20:52:42 GMT 1, those was selling for 5k now you can have those for lest than 3700. If Banksy prints are losing £300 a week my CYW I just bought has lost £900. Should of float mounted the money instead.
Please pm me, if you got a coloured CYW for less than £3700 for sale. Really interested for that price.
those was selling for 5k now you can have those for lest than 3700. If Banksy prints are losing £300 a week my CYW I just bought has lost £900. Should of float mounted the money instead. Please pm me, if you got a coloured CYW for less than £3700 for sale. Really interested for that price.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nah on Jul 29, 2012 20:53:30 GMT 1, Like I was saying about the other week, the longer Banksy goes without releasing a print, the more people switch away from his work onto other Artists. I think we are just seeing a change in the scene as other Artists take up the slack that Banksy is leaving for them. Bad for him but good for them, I would say.
i think banksy's popularity revolves around more than just his print release schedule... would be cool to see another show of some sort from him before the year's up, feels like its been a while
Like I was saying about the other week, the longer Banksy goes without releasing a print, the more people switch away from his work onto other Artists. I think we are just seeing a change in the scene as other Artists take up the slack that Banksy is leaving for them. Bad for him but good for them, I would say. i think banksy's popularity revolves around more than just his print release schedule... would be cool to see another show of some sort from him before the year's up, feels like its been a while
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 20:53:36 GMT 1, Damn you beat me to it suppose I will have to be second in the queue!
Damn you beat me to it suppose I will have to be second in the queue!
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 20:55:24 GMT 1, and this time next week £1200 ...
and the week after £1500
and this time next week £1200 ... and the week after £1500
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Is this the end of banksy?, by rottenredrooster on Jul 29, 2012 21:12:00 GMT 1,
You're presuming someone bid on their own print.
Prices are up and down in this market constantly. This is because art is a commodity.
Also the prices people put prints up for sale at are rarely the price it sells for.
You're presuming someone bid on their own print. Prices are up and down in this market constantly. This is because art is a commodity. Also the prices people put prints up for sale at are rarely the price it sells for.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Sundowner on Jul 29, 2012 21:27:26 GMT 1, those was selling for 5k now you can have those for lest than 3700. If Banksy prints are losing £300 a week my CYW I just bought has lost £900. Should of float mounted the money instead.
Better shift your over priced stock quickly then.....
those was selling for 5k now you can have those for lest than 3700. If Banksy prints are losing £300 a week my CYW I just bought has lost £900. Should of float mounted the money instead. Better shift your over priced stock quickly then.....
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 29, 2012 22:48:39 GMT 1, Look at sales prices of signed banksy prints since they were first released, add together results for each month, work out the median price for each month, place in a graph and connect.
Come back here and discuss movement, now that would be an interesting discussion.
Look at sales prices of signed banksy prints since they were first released, add together results for each month, work out the median price for each month, place in a graph and connect.
Come back here and discuss movement, now that would be an interesting discussion.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 30, 2012 0:15:46 GMT 1, Like I was saying about the other week, the longer Banksy goes without releasing a print, the more people switch away from his work onto other Artists. I think we are just seeing a change in the scene as other Artists take up the slack that Banksy is leaving for them. Bad for him but good for them, I would say.
Who? Taking up the slack, how do you define that?
I see a scene that's weakening, of artists doing well on the secondary I see Jeremy Geddes (part of the scene?) who's prices have stalled after a surge and Dolk who again seems to have stalled. Anybody else?
Banksy he goes up and down. Where was this mythical cyw that was 5k and what was its colour? Where was the vlhs selling over 4k? I've seen strong results and poor results, depending on as much the image and edition as anything else.
We're in the middle of a double dip recession, credit has been tight for a number of years, redundancies continue to occur, anyone below the highest earners is not as well off as they were in 2007 - these are the facts - the market is sensitive and tight.
Take all these factors into account, look over a number of years and then tell me if banksy truly is over?
Like I was saying about the other week, the longer Banksy goes without releasing a print, the more people switch away from his work onto other Artists. I think we are just seeing a change in the scene as other Artists take up the slack that Banksy is leaving for them. Bad for him but good for them, I would say. Who? Taking up the slack, how do you define that? I see a scene that's weakening, of artists doing well on the secondary I see Jeremy Geddes (part of the scene?) who's prices have stalled after a surge and Dolk who again seems to have stalled. Anybody else? Banksy he goes up and down. Where was this mythical cyw that was 5k and what was its colour? Where was the vlhs selling over 4k? I've seen strong results and poor results, depending on as much the image and edition as anything else. We're in the middle of a double dip recession, credit has been tight for a number of years, redundancies continue to occur, anyone below the highest earners is not as well off as they were in 2007 - these are the facts - the market is sensitive and tight. Take all these factors into account, look over a number of years and then tell me if banksy truly is over?
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 30, 2012 0:43:24 GMT 1, I wrote this last week on another thread..
"Are prices falling gradually?? apart from signed GWB/Nola and the more sought after prints.. seems to be some good deals floating around compared to 12 months ago.. Just wish I had the spare $ "
Part of the reason could be that he hasn't released anything, but as said by a few I think mainly it's because of the state of the economy and things don't look good for a few years to come, people are being more cautious/saving more than ever and paying off thier credit cards. Art is no different to any other market. Be interesting to see next auction results, any coming up??
I wrote this last week on another thread..
"Are prices falling gradually?? apart from signed GWB/Nola and the more sought after prints.. seems to be some good deals floating around compared to 12 months ago.. Just wish I had the spare $ "
Part of the reason could be that he hasn't released anything, but as said by a few I think mainly it's because of the state of the economy and things don't look good for a few years to come, people are being more cautious/saving more than ever and paying off thier credit cards. Art is no different to any other market. Be interesting to see next auction results, any coming up??
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 30, 2012 0:51:34 GMT 1, Back in 08/09 as the recession bit prices fell alot more than now, taking a longer term view shows what a mistake it is to look at one year in isolation. Jj your points valid tho.
Back in 08/09 as the recession bit prices fell alot more than now, taking a longer term view shows what a mistake it is to look at one year in isolation. Jj your points valid tho.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Gentle Mental on Jul 30, 2012 4:47:34 GMT 1, more worryingly, is the work getting better?
glitter ape/walking haring's dog... less biting, too refined and considered i think.
plus there isn't a solid number 2 to help prop/boost the scene.
and the presence of MBW and money people of Opera flooding and milking the market's not helping to add any cred...
founded mostly on hype and greedy flipping, and very little history (comparatively) it's easy to forget how fragile and unstable this "market" really is.
more worryingly, is the work getting better?
glitter ape/walking haring's dog... less biting, too refined and considered i think.
plus there isn't a solid number 2 to help prop/boost the scene.
and the presence of MBW and money people of Opera flooding and milking the market's not helping to add any cred...
founded mostly on hype and greedy flipping, and very little history (comparatively) it's easy to forget how fragile and unstable this "market" really is.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Harveyn on Jul 30, 2012 8:56:38 GMT 1, His prices go up and down every year but its pretty much an upward trend IMO.
Not that I think he is slipping at all but IMO there are countless quality artists associated with the modern form of this genre who also appear to be going from strength to strength. OS Gemeos, KAWS, Shepard Fairey and Barry McGee are just a few that come to mind.
Of course if you want to look at just a few of the big hitters from the graffiti scene from a few decades back then you have all the history/success you need for reference, Keith Haring and Jean Michel Basquiat etc.
more worryingly, is the work getting better? glitter ape/walking haring's dog... less biting, too refined and considered i think. plus there isn't a solid number 2 to help prop/boost the scene. and the presence of MBW and money people of Opera flooding and milking the market's not helping to add any cred... founded mostly on hype and greedy flipping, and very little history (comparatively) it's easy to forget how fragile and unstable this "market" really is.
His prices go up and down every year but its pretty much an upward trend IMO. Not that I think he is slipping at all but IMO there are countless quality artists associated with the modern form of this genre who also appear to be going from strength to strength. OS Gemeos, KAWS, Shepard Fairey and Barry McGee are just a few that come to mind. Of course if you want to look at just a few of the big hitters from the graffiti scene from a few decades back then you have all the history/success you need for reference, Keith Haring and Jean Michel Basquiat etc. more worryingly, is the work getting better? glitter ape/walking haring's dog... less biting, too refined and considered i think. plus there isn't a solid number 2 to help prop/boost the scene. and the presence of MBW and money people of Opera flooding and milking the market's not helping to add any cred... founded mostly on hype and greedy flipping, and very little history (comparatively) it's easy to forget how fragile and unstable this "market" really is.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 30, 2012 9:16:07 GMT 1, Not that I think he is slipping at all but IMO there are countless quality artists associated with the modern form of this genre who also appear to be going from strength to strength. OS Gemeos, KAWS, Shepard Fairey and Barry McGee are just a few that come to mind.
Apart from OG I don't necessarily see the others going from strength to strength but that's pretty subjective. The bigger point would be what connection do any of these have to street/urban art generally these days? Apart from the odd mural and of course the factory of Shep producing prints created by a million monkeys, they're hardly enticing the lower eschelons of this game anymore? Okay Shep is, but it's not exactly creating much love or passion. No idea what my point is really! Just that there's creatively a lack of talent down in the print collectors world these days.
Not that I think he is slipping at all but IMO there are countless quality artists associated with the modern form of this genre who also appear to be going from strength to strength. OS Gemeos, KAWS, Shepard Fairey and Barry McGee are just a few that come to mind. Apart from OG I don't necessarily see the others going from strength to strength but that's pretty subjective. The bigger point would be what connection do any of these have to street/urban art generally these days? Apart from the odd mural and of course the factory of Shep producing prints created by a million monkeys, they're hardly enticing the lower eschelons of this game anymore? Okay Shep is, but it's not exactly creating much love or passion. No idea what my point is really! Just that there's creatively a lack of talent down in the print collectors world these days.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by eschiff on Jul 30, 2012 9:27:14 GMT 1, I wrote this last week on another thread.. "Are prices falling gradually?? apart from signed GWB/Nola and the more sought after prints.. seems to be some good deals floating around compared to 12 months ago.. Just wish I had the spare $ " Part of the reason could be that he hasn't released anything, but as said by a few I think mainly it's because of the state of the economy and things don't look good for a few years to come, people are being more cautious/saving more than ever and paying off thier credit cards. Art is no different to any other market. Be interesting to see next auction results, any coming up??
massive urban art auction at bonhams in LA in october...they have loads of banksy on consignment already.
I wrote this last week on another thread.. "Are prices falling gradually?? apart from signed GWB/Nola and the more sought after prints.. seems to be some good deals floating around compared to 12 months ago.. Just wish I had the spare $ " Part of the reason could be that he hasn't released anything, but as said by a few I think mainly it's because of the state of the economy and things don't look good for a few years to come, people are being more cautious/saving more than ever and paying off thier credit cards. Art is no different to any other market. Be interesting to see next auction results, any coming up?? massive urban art auction at bonhams in LA in october...they have loads of banksy on consignment already.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by johnnyh on Jul 30, 2012 10:38:01 GMT 1, Eschiff spends the night with all the high rollers Beckham, Federer and Kobi then comes back here biggin up the Bonhams LA auction.
Disgrace we knew you before the Olympics mate ;D By the way how are Victoria and the kids ?
Seriously look at CYW and it's growth plus the recent auction prices for his canvas's and all is fine. Less art bound to sell at the moment for reasons stated but there is no difference in my book?
Even though would damage my print collection hope he becomes a lot cheaper as would love to improve by getting a couple of originals
Eschiff spends the night with all the high rollers Beckham, Federer and Kobi then comes back here biggin up the Bonhams LA auction.
Disgrace we knew you before the Olympics mate ;D By the way how are Victoria and the kids ?
Seriously look at CYW and it's growth plus the recent auction prices for his canvas's and all is fine. Less art bound to sell at the moment for reasons stated but there is no difference in my book?
Even though would damage my print collection hope he becomes a lot cheaper as would love to improve by getting a couple of originals
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 30, 2012 10:55:11 GMT 1, Who? Taking up the slack, how do you define that?
Who's taking up the slack?
You mentioned Dolk, and I would say he's a great example! When did banksy last release a print? Can you tell me how many prints Dolk has released in total since then? I would guess we are talking 1,000+ prints sold, between £175 and £200 each? That sounds pretty positive results to me
I think Dolk is just one of many Artists who are doing very very well you don't have to look far for long threads on the forum about other Artist print releases that have sold out easily!
I think things are going great for this scene! lots of quality Artists around that are doing fine.
Who? Taking up the slack, how do you define that? Who's taking up the slack? You mentioned Dolk, and I would say he's a great example! When did banksy last release a print? Can you tell me how many prints Dolk has released in total since then? I would guess we are talking 1,000+ prints sold, between £175 and £200 each? That sounds pretty positive results to me I think Dolk is just one of many Artists who are doing very very well you don't have to look far for long threads on the forum about other Artist print releases that have sold out easily! I think things are going great for this scene! lots of quality Artists around that are doing fine.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 30, 2012 11:04:12 GMT 1, No offence but the likelihood of you admitting to this scene not being in the shape it once was, is as likely as osborne admitting to anything wrong in his stewardship of the uk economy
No offence but the likelihood of you admitting to this scene not being in the shape it once was, is as likely as osborne admitting to anything wrong in his stewardship of the uk economy
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 30, 2012 11:12:23 GMT 1, No offence but the likelihood of you admitting to this scene not being in the shape it once was, is as likely as osborne admitting to anything wrong in his stewardship of the uk economy
If we had good print releases from the popular Artists not selling out, then I would be concerned. But! thats not happening
Artists are releasing 1,000s of prints and they are selling out easily!
No offence but the likelihood of you admitting to this scene not being in the shape it once was, is as likely as osborne admitting to anything wrong in his stewardship of the uk economy If we had good print releases from the popular Artists not selling out, then I would be concerned. But! thats not happening Artists are releasing 1,000s of prints and they are selling out easily!
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Is this the end of banksy?, by rottenredrooster on Jul 30, 2012 11:17:48 GMT 1, No offence but the likelihood of you admitting to this scene not being in the shape it once was, is as likely as osborne admitting to anything wrong in his stewardship of the uk economy If we had good print releases from the popular Artists not selling out, then I would be concerned. But! thats not happening Artists are releasing 1,000s of prints and they are selling out easily!
That is true... however there is a definite increase in people selling straight after at near cost prices, and in most cases being stuck with the print. Which in turn leads to them dropping the price every 5 minutes in an effort to salvage 50 quid.
No offence but the likelihood of you admitting to this scene not being in the shape it once was, is as likely as osborne admitting to anything wrong in his stewardship of the uk economy If we had good print releases from the popular Artists not selling out, then I would be concerned. But! thats not happening Artists are releasing 1,000s of prints and they are selling out easily! That is true... however there is a definite increase in people selling straight after at near cost prices, and in most cases being stuck with the print. Which in turn leads to them dropping the price every 5 minutes in an effort to salvage 50 quid.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 30, 2012 11:21:09 GMT 1, And the uk still has its triple A rating
And the uk still has its triple A rating
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 30, 2012 11:23:02 GMT 1, I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long
Everything else is going just fine!
Think about how Artists a few years ago were selling pieces for prices like £75 each, and now they are selling larger editions for around £200, and they sell out easily! I can only see positive things in that.
I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long Everything else is going just fine! Think about how Artists a few years ago were selling pieces for prices like £75 each, and now they are selling larger editions for around £200, and they sell out easily! I can only see positive things in that.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by nex on Jul 30, 2012 11:27:42 GMT 1, I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long .
You mistake unhappy for worry/concern from a position of long term interest.
I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long . You mistake unhappy for worry/concern from a position of long term interest.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 30, 2012 11:28:46 GMT 1, If we had good print releases from the popular Artists not selling out, then I would be concerned. But! thats not happening Artists are releasing 1,000s of prints and they are selling out easily! That is true... however there is a definite increase in people selling straight after at near cost prices, and in most cases being stuck with the print. Which in turn leads to them dropping the price every 5 minutes in an effort to salvage 50 quid.
Why are they selling straight after?
If we had good print releases from the popular Artists not selling out, then I would be concerned. But! thats not happening Artists are releasing 1,000s of prints and they are selling out easily! That is true... however there is a definite increase in people selling straight after at near cost prices, and in most cases being stuck with the print. Which in turn leads to them dropping the price every 5 minutes in an effort to salvage 50 quid. Why are they selling straight after?
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Is this the end of banksy?, by rottenredrooster on Jul 30, 2012 11:31:46 GMT 1, I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long Everything else is going just fine! Think about how Artists a few years ago were selling pieces for prices like £75 each, and now they are selling larger editions for around £200, and they sell out easily! I can only see positive things in that.
If someone is only interested in one artist and it happens to be Banksy, it's pretty clear why they are.
It's up to the artist how/when/where the print is released. It would suit me to wait a couple of years to wait for a print if he was to do more street pieces and installations. Perhaps a new show.
Hopefully the new Banksy print will be priced accordingly, the current market value.
I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long Everything else is going just fine! Think about how Artists a few years ago were selling pieces for prices like £75 each, and now they are selling larger editions for around £200, and they sell out easily! I can only see positive things in that. If someone is only interested in one artist and it happens to be Banksy, it's pretty clear why they are. It's up to the artist how/when/where the print is released. It would suit me to wait a couple of years to wait for a print if he was to do more street pieces and installations. Perhaps a new show. Hopefully the new Banksy print will be priced accordingly, the current market value.
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Is this the end of banksy?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 30, 2012 11:33:04 GMT 1, I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long . You mistake unhappy for worry/concern from a position of long term interest.
I don't understand what your worried or concerned about? Can you give some sort of example.
I think the only people who are unhappy with the scene at the moment are the ones only interested in Banksy, coz they haven't had a print release for so long . You mistake unhappy for worry/concern from a position of long term interest. I don't understand what your worried or concerned about? Can you give some sort of example.
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