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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 20:35:31 GMT 1, I'd def put it on the wall for a bit.
Then I'd auction it and buy more walls.
I'd def put it on the wall for a bit.
Then I'd auction it and buy more walls.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 20:32:37 GMT 1, How did you find that out? Housing Works. There aren't that many of them. (It's a 'chain' of thrift stores) Haha - yeah just re-looked and saw that. Was gonna delete my post before someone said "duh!....yellowpages.com"
thanks for not being so harsh.
How did you find that out? Housing Works. There aren't that many of them. (It's a 'chain' of thrift stores) Haha - yeah just re-looked and saw that. Was gonna delete my post before someone said "duh!....yellowpages.com" thanks for not being so harsh.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 20:28:52 GMT 1, 157 E 23rd St New York (212) 529-5955 GOGOGOGOG How did you find that out?
157 E 23rd St New York (212) 529-5955 GOGOGOGOG How did you find that out?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 20:28:11 GMT 1, I work 5 minutes away. I already took lunch break :/ I doubt its for sale Yeah your right, its probably not worth a 5 min walk is it.
I work 5 minutes away. I already took lunch break :/ I doubt its for sale Yeah your right, its probably not worth a 5 min walk is it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 20:26:48 GMT 1, Uh... is that painting buyable?! Go Kyle Go!
Find that damn thrift store!
Uh... is that painting buyable?! Go Kyle Go! Find that damn thrift store!
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Art Wanted, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 16:09:51 GMT 1, Although I can certainly see the reasons as to why people may want to buy this (affordability) .... it is pretty much the same as downloading illegal MP3s .... or using counterfeit software ..... I think its a morality thing .... but ultimately you are not helping the artist .... as the artist is the person who loses out .... instead someone else makes a good profit. I am neutral on the subject. I would personally not buy it, but I believe we all have a right to decide what our morals are. Can't really see how the artist is losing out here.
Not like one could go and buy a gold Kate (or any other) from the artist, and even if one could, then the cost would doubtless prove prohibitive.
Banksy is losing no sales because of this. He has no work available from source. On the rare occasion he does make some available it is gone in seconds. I agree that the printer is profiting off Banksy's work, but disagree that he is making Banksy lose out.
Anytime Banksy wants to sell more stuff, all he has to do is put some stuff up for sale.
Although I can certainly see the reasons as to why people may want to buy this (affordability) .... it is pretty much the same as downloading illegal MP3s .... or using counterfeit software ..... I think its a morality thing .... but ultimately you are not helping the artist .... as the artist is the person who loses out .... instead someone else makes a good profit. I am neutral on the subject. I would personally not buy it, but I believe we all have a right to decide what our morals are. Can't really see how the artist is losing out here. Not like one could go and buy a gold Kate (or any other) from the artist, and even if one could, then the cost would doubtless prove prohibitive. Banksy is losing no sales because of this. He has no work available from source. On the rare occasion he does make some available it is gone in seconds. I agree that the printer is profiting off Banksy's work, but disagree that he is making Banksy lose out. Anytime Banksy wants to sell more stuff, all he has to do is put some stuff up for sale.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 15:55:07 GMT 1, I just can't believe that was the piece- some elaborate article to prove that he can't get printed in the ny gutter press..... Just seems all quite excessive, even for banksy I'm with naughty.
He clearly wanted this article to be published. They didn't publish it. He then had a dig at them for not publishing it.
The original "piece" was about the new WTC building, not about press censorship.
I'm not sure why someone's article not being published is that surprising. The press don't publish everything they are sent. Its not the presses job to be a publishing platform for any old git that wants to write an article about something.
That's what the internet is for.
I just can't believe that was the piece- some elaborate article to prove that he can't get printed in the ny gutter press..... Just seems all quite excessive, even for banksy I'm with naughty. He clearly wanted this article to be published. They didn't publish it. He then had a dig at them for not publishing it. The original "piece" was about the new WTC building, not about press censorship. I'm not sure why someone's article not being published is that surprising. The press don't publish everything they are sent. Its not the presses job to be a publishing platform for any old git that wants to write an article about something. That's what the internet is for.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 10:52:52 GMT 1, While it's clear Banksy LOVES New York (he could have chosen any other city in the world for this month long residence, but he chose NY) and also clear that there was nothing in his article that "trashed" New Yorkers or 911 victims (for anyone that read it properly), I do think that he could have chosen his words more carefully and got his point across better.
What he said was: โข This new tower sends the message that the terrorists won โข This new tower sends the message that New Yorkers have lost their nerve โข This new tower could be seen as an insult to the memory of 911 victims
Unfortunately, what some people will inevitably comprehend is: โข Banksy says the terrorists won โข Banksy says New yorkers have lost their nerve โข Banksy insults 911 victims
Especially when headlines like that appear on Newspapers, which people will see on Newsstands, without ever reading the whole article in the Newspaper let alone Banksy's original article.
I'm just a little surprised that someone who is a such master of media manipulation and getting his points across with razor sharpness did this in what I can't help feel is a somewhat amateur and not-particularly-well-thought-through fashion.
While it's clear Banksy LOVES New York (he could have chosen any other city in the world for this month long residence, but he chose NY) and also clear that there was nothing in his article that "trashed" New Yorkers or 911 victims (for anyone that read it properly), I do think that he could have chosen his words more carefully and got his point across better.
What he said was: โข This new tower sends the message that the terrorists won โข This new tower sends the message that New Yorkers have lost their nerve โข This new tower could be seen as an insult to the memory of 911 victims
Unfortunately, what some people will inevitably comprehend is: โข Banksy says the terrorists won โข Banksy says New yorkers have lost their nerve โข Banksy insults 911 victims
Especially when headlines like that appear on Newspapers, which people will see on Newsstands, without ever reading the whole article in the Newspaper let alone Banksy's original article.
I'm just a little surprised that someone who is a such master of media manipulation and getting his points across with razor sharpness did this in what I can't help feel is a somewhat amateur and not-particularly-well-thought-through fashion.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 1:23:51 GMT 1, Wow stunned to see so many people unable to realise that nowhere in that text does he say anything disrespectful!... Apart from to the Canadians...
Wow stunned to see so many people unable to realise that nowhere in that text does he say anything disrespectful!... Apart from to the Canadians...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 28, 2013 23:20:50 GMT 1, Banksy made a rookie mistake with that NY Times mock Op Ed stunt. We know he was trying to be creative, confrontational and humorous - but the rest of the world thinks he sounds like a complete pompous douche. He also just lit a fire under any cop in NY looking to make a name for themselves by arresting the guy who mocked 9/11. He didn't mock 9/11. He called it "An attack on all of us". His mocking comments were about the new building and the message it sends.
Banksy made a rookie mistake with that NY Times mock Op Ed stunt. We know he was trying to be creative, confrontational and humorous - but the rest of the world thinks he sounds like a complete pompous douche. He also just lit a fire under any cop in NY looking to make a name for themselves by arresting the guy who mocked 9/11. He didn't mock 9/11. He called it "An attack on all of us". His mocking comments were about the new building and the message it sends.
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Dot Dot Dot โข Napoleon, by spirit on Oct 27, 2013 17:51:21 GMT 1, So we've decided that this artists is a GREAT artist and that this image will be an instant sell out and impossible to get.....but why is a Norwegian making fun of a Frenchman that's been dead for nearly 200 years? What does it mean? Don't ask awkward questions warmgun
It's Napolean in a party hat. What more do you want?
So we've decided that this artists is a GREAT artist and that this image will be an instant sell out and impossible to get.....but why is a Norwegian making fun of a Frenchman that's been dead for nearly 200 years? What does it mean? Don't ask awkward questions warmgun It's Napolean in a party hat. What more do you want?
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The ยฃ50 Art Thread, by spirit on Oct 27, 2013 0:55:13 GMT 1, Thanks Sean appreciated your comments, the tapes are new so yes they can be recorded, they are only painted one side, about the vinyl on frames just thought they would look good mounted as such for wall display, English is not my first language and i didn't meant to patronize, if you like the art you probably display it as you like, suggesting edit out and now I feel like I'm promoting a food product cheers. How about this for an idea? You produce a certain number of these cassettes, which are purchased by members. They then fill it with their music of choice and send it to another purchaser. That way everyone gets a cassette, with potential new music to listen to. Stuff PRS/copyright etc. Slight flaw in the plan potentially... I bet less than 50% of forum members have the ability to play cassettes these days...
Thanks Sean appreciated your comments, the tapes are new so yes they can be recorded, they are only painted one side, about the vinyl on frames just thought they would look good mounted as such for wall display, English is not my first language and i didn't meant to patronize, if you like the art you probably display it as you like, suggesting edit out and now I feel like I'm promoting a food product cheers. How about this for an idea? You produce a certain number of these cassettes, which are purchased by members. They then fill it with their music of choice and send it to another purchaser. That way everyone gets a cassette, with potential new music to listen to. Stuff PRS/copyright etc. Slight flaw in the plan potentially... I bet less than 50% of forum members have the ability to play cassettes these days...
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ARTPARTMENT PEOPLES FRESH GALLERY, by spirit on Oct 26, 2013 15:38:23 GMT 1, Reassuringly insane as ever Artpartment!
I love that you post this stuff here. Its so totally weird, bizarre, uncomfortable, odd, strange, scary, obscene, and mad. Off the scale and quite unlike anything else I have ever seen.
The invader screen print (from earlier in the thread) looked a bit out of place I thought... You know, being like a normal screen print, that normal people might have on their wall...
Everything else goes together perfectly though, and I can't imagine it being anywhere else than in your artpartment.
Reassuringly insane as ever Artpartment!
I love that you post this stuff here. Its so totally weird, bizarre, uncomfortable, odd, strange, scary, obscene, and mad. Off the scale and quite unlike anything else I have ever seen.
The invader screen print (from earlier in the thread) looked a bit out of place I thought... You know, being like a normal screen print, that normal people might have on their wall...
Everything else goes together perfectly though, and I can't imagine it being anywhere else than in your artpartment.
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Banksy โข Festival, Destroy Capitalism, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 20:55:16 GMT 1, The more i think about this the more i reckon it would piss past ยฃ13k why wouldnt it? compared to other Banksys, this is the real deal, good message, small edition, very cool print, not sold before on secondary that anyone has shown yet etc etc I think this would fly if it was on ebay. This one looks like its under ยฃ8k... www.artbrokerage.com/Banksy/Destroy-Capitalism-56250 Shhhh Silvermyn
Castle - did you say you would happily pay ยฃ12k for one?
Let me just sort this one out then you got a deal!
The more i think about this the more i reckon it would piss past ยฃ13k why wouldnt it? compared to other Banksys, this is the real deal, good message, small edition, very cool print, not sold before on secondary that anyone has shown yet etc etc I think this would fly if it was on ebay. This one looks like its under ยฃ8k... www.artbrokerage.com/Banksy/Destroy-Capitalism-56250Shhhh Silvermyn Castle - did you say you would happily pay ยฃ12k for one? Let me just sort this one out then you got a deal!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 17:23:54 GMT 1, A real life Grim Reaper Grin Reaper image sits on a clock. Wonder if that is relevant to the 5pm bit.
A real life Grim Reaper Grin Reaper image sits on a clock. Wonder if that is relevant to the 5pm bit.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 13:59:39 GMT 1, no offense to that article, or their points...but that was the best photo of graffiti they could find? it was from 3 years ago? and to a couple of their points? grow the f**k up. Agree... funny that they say in their conclusion that it's not jealousy that drives writers to go over him but most of their points make clear that they are totally jealous!
1. The Double Standard ie. Jealous that the police leave him alone (not sure thats quite true). Could also be seen as jealous that the public like his work (and therefore the police make less effort to apprehend him... they are public servants after all)
2. The work sucks At best a subjective "What we think is good art" position of which they are clearly in the minority. Also a bit jealous that Banksy produces better pieces in 10 mins than they do in 2 hours
3. Press Overload Jealous of the media attention he gets while they get none.
4. Doesn't even do the work himself Jealous of his ability to organise and pay for a team that helps to avoid him getting caught
5. Straight Beef Jealous of his ability to paint what he wants, where he wants, and ignore their "rules"?? OK, maybe just a straight beef...
6. The millionaire factor Jealous of his financial success.
No, clearly not jealous at all.
no offense to that article, or their points...but that was the best photo of graffiti they could find? it was from 3 years ago? and to a couple of their points? grow the f**k up. Agree... funny that they say in their conclusion that it's not jealousy that drives writers to go over him but most of their points make clear that they are totally jealous! 1. The Double Standard ie. Jealous that the police leave him alone (not sure thats quite true). Could also be seen as jealous that the public like his work (and therefore the police make less effort to apprehend him... they are public servants after all) 2. The work sucks At best a subjective "What we think is good art" position of which they are clearly in the minority. Also a bit jealous that Banksy produces better pieces in 10 mins than they do in 2 hours 3. Press Overload Jealous of the media attention he gets while they get none. 4. Doesn't even do the work himself Jealous of his ability to organise and pay for a team that helps to avoid him getting caught 5. Straight Beef Jealous of his ability to paint what he wants, where he wants, and ignore their "rules"?? OK, maybe just a straight beef... 6. The millionaire factor Jealous of his financial success. No, clearly not jealous at all.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 13:21:43 GMT 1, Women seems like an idiot to me... Viewing times, security guards, responsibilty, roller shutters... yawn yawn..... Whats wrong with it getting tagged and painted over, whether its today tomorrow, next week...... Its part of the process! Yea it would be nice for it to be around for people to see for a while, but if it were the artists intention then im sure he would have got permission from building owners and had the plexi slapped straight on it.... Im not sure I agree with this let the streets decide thing
I mean all it takes is one idiot with a grudge to ruin it for everyone. Who gives him the right to make the decision on behalf of "the streets"? If 100 people want it left alone, how do they show that? Why should one person's wish to destroy be more valid than 100 people's wish to preserve?
Id be up for the "streets" deciding if there was some democratic way of deciding it. But the idea that being a) Jealous and b) armed with a spray can, somehow gives you the right to speak on behalf of "the street" doesn't wash with me.
If Banksy painted on my building I know I'd want to preserve it, and if some idiot came along and dogged it, I'd shove his can where the sun don't shine.
Women seems like an idiot to me... Viewing times, security guards, responsibilty, roller shutters... yawn yawn..... Whats wrong with it getting tagged and painted over, whether its today tomorrow, next week...... Its part of the process! Yea it would be nice for it to be around for people to see for a while, but if it were the artists intention then im sure he would have got permission from building owners and had the plexi slapped straight on it.... Im not sure I agree with this let the streets decide thing I mean all it takes is one idiot with a grudge to ruin it for everyone. Who gives him the right to make the decision on behalf of "the streets"? If 100 people want it left alone, how do they show that? Why should one person's wish to destroy be more valid than 100 people's wish to preserve? Id be up for the "streets" deciding if there was some democratic way of deciding it. But the idea that being a) Jealous and b) armed with a spray can, somehow gives you the right to speak on behalf of "the street" doesn't wash with me. If Banksy painted on my building I know I'd want to preserve it, and if some idiot came along and dogged it, I'd shove his can where the sun don't shine.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 12:11:10 GMT 1, On another note
Banksy has done more to get these taggers "out there" in the last few weeks than they probably ever hoped to achieve in their lifetimes!
They may say they hate him but secretly they must love him...
On another note
Banksy has done more to get these taggers "out there" in the last few weeks than they probably ever hoped to achieve in their lifetimes!
They may say they hate him but secretly they must love him...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 12:07:12 GMT 1, Museum in the streets! LOL Bless.... it certainly looks a bit overkill but she's trying to do the right thing as she sees it - preserve the image but keep it in public view. Interesting article that she wrote about it - The initial rush of "Oh my god I've got a Banksy" followed by the reality setting in - Vandals, security guards, expenses, responsibility, hassle...
Museum in the streets! LOL Bless.... it certainly looks a bit overkill but she's trying to do the right thing as she sees it - preserve the image but keep it in public view. Interesting article that she wrote about it - The initial rush of "Oh my god I've got a Banksy" followed by the reality setting in - Vandals, security guards, expenses, responsibility, hassle...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 25, 2013 12:04:00 GMT 1, So what's happened to Omar?
He's been very "quiet" lately...
So what's happened to Omar?
He's been very "quiet" lately...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 24, 2013 16:37:45 GMT 1, This has got to be one of the best Banksy stencils ever. Unusually three dimensional and realistic.
This has got to be one of the best Banksy stencils ever. Unusually three dimensional and realistic.
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Banksy โข Flower Thrower โข Love is in the Air, by spirit on Oct 24, 2013 0:56:02 GMT 1, The notion of time is relative......Procrastination is key to life. I'll have a think about that later.
The notion of time is relative......Procrastination is key to life. I'll have a think about that later.
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FS: Random Artifacts from the NYC Crazy Horse Piece, by spirit on Oct 23, 2013 23:39:29 GMT 1, Only one barrel from the "Double Barrel" piece?
Isn't that missing the point a bit?
If its only one barrel I guess Id prefer the one that says "Barrel" on it as at least that would make some sense... if a statement of the blindingly obvious.
Those 2 really should have been kept together - an artwork on their own - if and only if they are a pair.
Only one barrel from the "Double Barrel" piece?
Isn't that missing the point a bit?
If its only one barrel I guess Id prefer the one that says "Barrel" on it as at least that would make some sense... if a statement of the blindingly obvious.
Those 2 really should have been kept together - an artwork on their own - if and only if they are a pair.
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Banksy โข Flower Thrower โข Love is in the Air, by spirit on Oct 23, 2013 17:26:55 GMT 1, stare hard at the dot below for 60 seconds, focus on it completely, then turn your head to the side quickly and look at something on the wall - see what happens!
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stare hard at the dot below for 60 seconds, focus on it completely, then turn your head to the side quickly and look at something on the wall - see what happens!
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Banksy โข Flower Thrower โข Love is in the Air, by spirit on Oct 23, 2013 17:20:45 GMT 1, um...er
I was going to say that...
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Robert Del Naja 3D - print advice, by spirit on Oct 23, 2013 15:55:09 GMT 1, Depending on what you paid, and whether you ever intended to sell it, Id say go for it. Judging by the crop marks etc it looks like that was the artists intention for how the piece should look. What you have at the moment is an unfinished printers sheet. (And I've never stuck pins through a Banksy... I just paste them straight to the wall) Sorry chap, bad advice! Like I said, that depends on what he wants from this print and what his intentions are.
If the OPs primary concern is monetary value/investment, then he absolutely should not touch it. That is certainly the sensible approach and I understand why you and others take that view.
However, if the OPs primary concern is purely aesthetic personal enjoyment of the art, then I suspect he thinks it would look better cut out, and I would agree with him.
I don't agree with people who are saying it looks great as it is - particularly as his version does not have the doodles etc and is not signed. To me it looks like what it is, an visually unbalanced, unfinished printers proof. Cutting it out would make it look like a finished piece.
The only similar situation I've had was the Matt Small Exhibition booklet that had the hand finished prints (or more like editioned originals) on the back cover a few years back. To chop out or not....? I decided to chop it out and frame it and have had no regrets about it at all.
Another example might be invasion kits. If you want to sell them later then best keep them in their packet. But... you will enjoy them much more if you open them.
Plus it will cost much less to frame lol
Depending on what you paid, and whether you ever intended to sell it, Id say go for it. Judging by the crop marks etc it looks like that was the artists intention for how the piece should look. What you have at the moment is an unfinished printers sheet. (And I've never stuck pins through a Banksy... I just paste them straight to the wall) Sorry chap, bad advice! Like I said, that depends on what he wants from this print and what his intentions are. If the OPs primary concern is monetary value/investment, then he absolutely should not touch it. That is certainly the sensible approach and I understand why you and others take that view. However, if the OPs primary concern is purely aesthetic personal enjoyment of the art, then I suspect he thinks it would look better cut out, and I would agree with him. I don't agree with people who are saying it looks great as it is - particularly as his version does not have the doodles etc and is not signed. To me it looks like what it is, an visually unbalanced, unfinished printers proof. Cutting it out would make it look like a finished piece. The only similar situation I've had was the Matt Small Exhibition booklet that had the hand finished prints (or more like editioned originals) on the back cover a few years back. To chop out or not....? I decided to chop it out and frame it and have had no regrets about it at all. Another example might be invasion kits. If you want to sell them later then best keep them in their packet. But... you will enjoy them much more if you open them. Plus it will cost much less to frame lol
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Robert Del Naja 3D - print advice, by spirit on Oct 23, 2013 14:07:31 GMT 1, Depending on what you paid, and whether you ever intended to sell it, Id say go for it.
Judging by the crop marks etc it looks like that was the artists intention for how the piece should look.
What you have at the moment is an unfinished printers sheet.
(And I've never stuck pins through a Banksy... I just paste them straight to the wall)
Depending on what you paid, and whether you ever intended to sell it, Id say go for it.
Judging by the crop marks etc it looks like that was the artists intention for how the piece should look.
What you have at the moment is an unfinished printers sheet.
(And I've never stuck pins through a Banksy... I just paste them straight to the wall)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 22, 2013 13:51:24 GMT 1, Anyone listen to Grayson Perry's 2nd Reith Lecture this morning? All about what is and what isn't art.
He talked about Duchamp's urinal and the concept of anything being art simply by an artist declaring it so. My favourite example was the guy who set up an upside-down plinth and declared the entire world his work of art...Brilliant!
He then went on to say that he wished he had the power to declare things as "not art" - like Banksy does for example!
He talked about Banksy's Jubilee image of the sweat shop boy stitching union jack bunting - and that someone cut it out of the wall to sell. Banksy doesn't like this so he essentially says "this is no longer a Banksy" (ie refuses to authenticate it as a work of art).
Another great lecture that I would recommend anyone to listen to. Informative and entertaining in equal measure.
Anyone listen to Grayson Perry's 2nd Reith Lecture this morning? All about what is and what isn't art.
He talked about Duchamp's urinal and the concept of anything being art simply by an artist declaring it so. My favourite example was the guy who set up an upside-down plinth and declared the entire world his work of art...Brilliant!
He then went on to say that he wished he had the power to declare things as "not art" - like Banksy does for example!
He talked about Banksy's Jubilee image of the sweat shop boy stitching union jack bunting - and that someone cut it out of the wall to sell. Banksy doesn't like this so he essentially says "this is no longer a Banksy" (ie refuses to authenticate it as a work of art).
Another great lecture that I would recommend anyone to listen to. Informative and entertaining in equal measure.
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