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New graffiti optical illusion, by spirit on Oct 21, 2013 21:39:27 GMT 1, Nice one Replete, always a breath of fresh air to see your work posted here - pure raw original talent.
Nice one Replete, always a breath of fresh air to see your work posted here - pure raw original talent.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 23:22:39 GMT 1, Glad someone knicked the doors off the car now...
Glad someone knicked the doors off the car now...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 22:58:24 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece? Have to say I disagree with everything you've said here.
Firstly - the stall did not show that people are not interested in the art. Of course there would have been plenty of people who walked past that stall who were not interested in the art - some might not be interested in any art, some might be interested in some art but not street art. Of the few who were interested in street art, most would not have bought anything because they assumed they were fakes. That was the idea. Not wanting to buy a fake of an artists work does not imply that you don't like the artists work or that the work is not good. More likely the opposite. Secondly, any art taken in isolation without reference to the artist, their history, and the environment the art is supposed to be viewed in, whether that be the street, a gallery or a museum, loses it's context. And it is all those contextual elements that we base our judgements on as to whether art is good or bad. In this instance the art has been put in a different context - that of fake knock offs on a tacky tourist stall - no wonder it lost it's perceived value and no one paid attention to it.
For a far better explanation of this than I can give I recommend that you (and everyone else) listens to Grayson perry's Reith lecture that he gave today. It's all about who decides what art is good and is called "Democracy has bad taste". He also talks about the context that art is seen in plays such an important part in its perceived value.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03969vt
Regarding the WTC piece, personally I think it is excellent. I would think it was excellent whoever did it. For me it works on both a visual and an intellectual level. The fact that the towers/skyline looks a bit rushed is irrelevant - that just adds context for the flower which is really what the work is all about (although the gap in the slabs forming the edge of the tower is a nice touch). The flower being both a memorial and a visually convincing three dimensional explosion at the same time is really rather clever I think. Classic Banksy.
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece? Have to say I disagree with everything you've said here. Firstly - the stall did not show that people are not interested in the art. Of course there would have been plenty of people who walked past that stall who were not interested in the art - some might not be interested in any art, some might be interested in some art but not street art. Of the few who were interested in street art, most would not have bought anything because they assumed they were fakes. That was the idea. Not wanting to buy a fake of an artists work does not imply that you don't like the artists work or that the work is not good. More likely the opposite. Secondly, any art taken in isolation without reference to the artist, their history, and the environment the art is supposed to be viewed in, whether that be the street, a gallery or a museum, loses it's context. And it is all those contextual elements that we base our judgements on as to whether art is good or bad. In this instance the art has been put in a different context - that of fake knock offs on a tacky tourist stall - no wonder it lost it's perceived value and no one paid attention to it. For a far better explanation of this than I can give I recommend that you (and everyone else) listens to Grayson perry's Reith lecture that he gave today. It's all about who decides what art is good and is called "Democracy has bad taste". He also talks about the context that art is seen in plays such an important part in its perceived value. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03969vtRegarding the WTC piece, personally I think it is excellent. I would think it was excellent whoever did it. For me it works on both a visual and an intellectual level. The fact that the towers/skyline looks a bit rushed is irrelevant - that just adds context for the flower which is really what the work is all about (although the gap in the slabs forming the edge of the tower is a nice touch). The flower being both a memorial and a visually convincing three dimensional explosion at the same time is really rather clever I think. Classic Banksy.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 21:29:32 GMT 1, So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR? json24 is apparently.
So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR? json24 is apparently.
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WTB Faile Falling Ecstasy, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 18:14:53 GMT 1, Have a look on the for sale threads - pretty sure i saw one for sale in the last few days
Edit: yep - here ya go: urbanartassociation.com/thread/110069/faile
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WTS Kaws drawing, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 18:10:01 GMT 1, Can we start this conversation all over again, I don't want to miss anything And no time wasters this time!
Can we start this conversation all over again, I don't want to miss anything And no time wasters this time!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 18:04:39 GMT 1, Love the way he has used the join in the wall slabs to create the corner of the tower and give it a 3d look.
Love the way he has used the join in the wall slabs to create the corner of the tower and give it a 3d look.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 17:34:19 GMT 1, I'm really not sure on this one; it’s gonna give a lot of people an excuse to have a go. Any positive symbolism for that event in this work is too well hidden for me to decipher. It’s just as easy to read it as the plane crashing into the tower was a beautiful thing and for it to be taken as anti-American. I’m very interested in our American and especially NYC board members views on this one. FWIW I thought the Horses piece on Lower East Side was brilliant. The positive symbolism is simply the flower. When people die, people leave flowers in their memory.
This is a flower left in memory of those who died when the planes hit the Twin Towers.
I have no doubt it was done out of respect and is not at all anti-American
I also have no doubt some people wont see it that way...
I'm really not sure on this one; it’s gonna give a lot of people an excuse to have a go. Any positive symbolism for that event in this work is too well hidden for me to decipher. It’s just as easy to read it as the plane crashing into the tower was a beautiful thing and for it to be taken as anti-American. I’m very interested in our American and especially NYC board members views on this one. FWIW I thought the Horses piece on Lower East Side was brilliant. The positive symbolism is simply the flower. When people die, people leave flowers in their memory. This is a flower left in memory of those who died when the planes hit the Twin Towers. I have no doubt it was done out of respect and is not at all anti-American I also have no doubt some people wont see it that way...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 16:43:12 GMT 1, Tribeca getting the love today Controversial!
be interesting to see how this one goes down...
Tribeca getting the love today Controversial! be interesting to see how this one goes down...
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What a week of groceries looks like around the world!, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 16:02:36 GMT 1, Wow people eat a lot!
Great project - thanks for posting
Wow people eat a lot!
Great project - thanks for posting
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The Reith Lecture tonight radio 4, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 12:34:31 GMT 1, The first of Grayson Perry's talks (Democracy Has Bad Taste) is now available to listen to (might be UK only). It can be found here ----> This is a link And utterly brilliant and funny it is too. Well worth a listen.
The first of Grayson Perry's talks (Democracy Has Bad Taste) is now available to listen to (might be UK only). It can be found here ----> This is a linkAnd utterly brilliant and funny it is too. Well worth a listen.
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WTS Kaws drawing, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 12:32:37 GMT 1, What is this wasting time thing?. Please don't waste our time with questions like that!
What is this wasting time thing?. Please don't waste our time with questions like that!
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Artists You Might Not Know, by spirit on Oct 14, 2013 12:34:55 GMT 1, These are delightful - thanks for posting.
These are delightful - thanks for posting.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 14, 2013 10:55:35 GMT 1, Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge.
Love GP - he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning - he is giving a series of lectures on; What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good etc...
It seemed like incredible timing after Mr Bs piece yesterday which was about exactly that - given that it is all over the news today I was very surprised it wasn't brought up in the interview. I hope he uses it as an example in his lectures.
Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge. Love GP - he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning - he is giving a series of lectures on; What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good etc... It seemed like incredible timing after Mr Bs piece yesterday which was about exactly that - given that it is all over the news today I was very surprised it wasn't brought up in the interview. I hope he uses it as an example in his lectures.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 14, 2013 9:30:29 GMT 1, Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits..
I think it's almost certain that Pest Control WILL authenticate them. They are not street pieces - they are original signed canvases that have been created for the purpose of legitimate sale.
And the people who bought them paid real money for them direct from source - doesn't matter that it was only $60. I think Pest Control would find itself in all sorts of legal trouble if they attempted to go down the non-authentication route in this instance. And I'm sure they have no intention of doing so.
It would also take something away from it if the pieces could not be authenticated. A big part of the concept here is that a few lucky people walked away with canvases worth tens of thousands for $60.
Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits.. I think it's almost certain that Pest Control WILL authenticate them. They are not street pieces - they are original signed canvases that have been created for the purpose of legitimate sale. And the people who bought them paid real money for them direct from source - doesn't matter that it was only $60. I think Pest Control would find itself in all sorts of legal trouble if they attempted to go down the non-authentication route in this instance. And I'm sure they have no intention of doing so. It would also take something away from it if the pieces could not be authenticated. A big part of the concept here is that a few lucky people walked away with canvases worth tens of thousands for $60.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 14, 2013 1:08:05 GMT 1, Hmmmm, only got 60 bucks...
Gotta be the LIITA
or the BME
or Monkey Detonator
or a Rat
hmmmm
Hmmmm, only got 60 bucks...
Gotta be the LIITA
or the BME
or Monkey Detonator
or a Rat
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 13, 2013 23:28:47 GMT 1, I'm just completely blown away and trying to articulate why...
I think it's the fact that the art on display on the stall is not the art at all.
The art here has nothing to do with canvasses - it's is purely a conceptual idea which tackles some of the most fundamental artistic questions there are...
What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good? Who can spot "good" art if it's in front of their nose? To what extent is art hype?
But it's actually more daring than that - he's actually asking "What is the true value of MY art?" - to which the answer seems to be no more than the canvas it's sprayed on lol
Critics of Banksy often accuse him of not being a "real" artist - that his work is just visual "one liners" and puns. Yes, great placement and all that but not "art" in the high brow sense.
I think this is on a completely different level from anything he has done before and is conceptually as high brow as it gets.
He has answered those critics in incredible style and made a few lucky folk very happy in the process.
I'm just completely blown away and trying to articulate why...
I think it's the fact that the art on display on the stall is not the art at all.
The art here has nothing to do with canvasses - it's is purely a conceptual idea which tackles some of the most fundamental artistic questions there are...
What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good? Who can spot "good" art if it's in front of their nose? To what extent is art hype?
But it's actually more daring than that - he's actually asking "What is the true value of MY art?" - to which the answer seems to be no more than the canvas it's sprayed on lol
Critics of Banksy often accuse him of not being a "real" artist - that his work is just visual "one liners" and puns. Yes, great placement and all that but not "art" in the high brow sense.
I think this is on a completely different level from anything he has done before and is conceptually as high brow as it gets.
He has answered those critics in incredible style and made a few lucky folk very happy in the process.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 13, 2013 22:50:54 GMT 1, OMFG!!!
This just takes the biscuit as possibly the best piece of conceptual art ever. Pretending to be your own rip offs and selling original canvases worth hundreds of thousands for 60 bucks...Total and utter unquestionable genius!
What an incredible statement on the nature/value of art. Here were Banksy original canvasses on sale all day at $60 and they only sold 7 lol.
For me this is the best thing he has ever done by a mile.
I hope those lucky buggers get to find out what they actually have.
but I thought he said there would be nothing for sale lol.
I wish I was "that" guy...
OMFG!!!
This just takes the biscuit as possibly the best piece of conceptual art ever. Pretending to be your own rip offs and selling original canvases worth hundreds of thousands for 60 bucks...Total and utter unquestionable genius!
What an incredible statement on the nature/value of art. Here were Banksy original canvasses on sale all day at $60 and they only sold 7 lol.
For me this is the best thing he has ever done by a mile.
I hope those lucky buggers get to find out what they actually have.
but I thought he said there would be nothing for sale lol.
I wish I was "that" guy...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 13, 2013 18:54:29 GMT 1, That second image doesn't look like a Banksy to me. Even when rushed (like it looks the priest was), his stencils still have a certain style which seems to be distinctly lacking in the second image (although haven't seen it close up yet).
I agree with ganeshpuri that it looks like this is an adaption by someone else.
That second image doesn't look like a Banksy to me. Even when rushed (like it looks the priest was), his stencils still have a certain style which seems to be distinctly lacking in the second image (although haven't seen it close up yet).
I agree with ganeshpuri that it looks like this is an adaption by someone else.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 11, 2013 17:04:22 GMT 1, Does anyone else think the Sirens of the Lambs truck is too cute?
It reminds me of the fried chicken places with logos that include a smiling chicken, winking or something. That doesn't even make sense! Why would the chicken be happy?
Why is it smiling??? Those are probably its own legs!! It just doesn't make sense!!! There's a couple of issues here. The cuteness of the animals in the truck is contrasted with the distressed sounds they are making. Together it's an uncomfortable combination that first makes you smile, then makes you question... they are cute but definitely not happy.
I think the timing of this vehicle installation after the "Crazy Horse" one is also important. There is certainly nothing cute about Crazy Horse... and this makes for a good contrast.
I'm just loving all the variety here - shaping up to be the best thing Banksy has ever done I reckon.
Does anyone else think the Sirens of the Lambs truck is too cute?
It reminds me of the fried chicken places with logos that include a smiling chicken, winking or something. That doesn't even make sense! Why would the chicken be happy?
Why is it smiling??? Those are probably its own legs!! It just doesn't make sense!!! There's a couple of issues here. The cuteness of the animals in the truck is contrasted with the distressed sounds they are making. Together it's an uncomfortable combination that first makes you smile, then makes you question... they are cute but definitely not happy. I think the timing of this vehicle installation after the "Crazy Horse" one is also important. There is certainly nothing cute about Crazy Horse... and this makes for a good contrast. I'm just loving all the variety here - shaping up to be the best thing Banksy has ever done I reckon.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 10, 2013 22:19:46 GMT 1, Respect may have been a bit of a disaster for people walking beside the bus?
Thanks
"Luckily" it was a winding mountain road in the middle of nowhere at night - no pedestrians or closely following vehicles behind - and as I was sitting at the back of the bus I could use that window without worrying about "side splatter"...
Respect may have been a bit of a disaster for people walking beside the bus? Thanks "Luckily" it was a winding mountain road in the middle of nowhere at night - no pedestrians or closely following vehicles behind - and as I was sitting at the back of the bus I could use that window without worrying about "side splatter"...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 10, 2013 21:28:24 GMT 1, I can't pee on the bike. Does that count?
I've never peed from a bike - but I have shat out a bus window in India!
(I had Delhi belly and the driver refused to stop... it was at least dark and none of the Indians so much as batted an eyelid - obviously it wasn't a first for them!)
Not my proudest moment though.
I can't pee on the bike. Does that count? I've never peed from a bike - but I have shat out a bus window in India! (I had Delhi belly and the driver refused to stop... it was at least dark and none of the Indians so much as batted an eyelid - obviously it wasn't a first for them!) Not my proudest moment though.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 10, 2013 19:05:58 GMT 1,
Hang on.... Isn't that an audio phone number under the "Farm Fresh Meats" logo on the van?
If so then it confirms it's a Banksy I guess.
Edit: yes it is - zooming in Photoshop shows 1 800 656 4271 #6 - same number that appears on the Banksyny.com site
hereby confirm it's a Banksy! did someone mention $20?
Hang on.... Isn't that an audio phone number under the "Farm Fresh Meats" logo on the van? If so then it confirms it's a Banksy I guess. Edit: yes it is - zooming in Photoshop shows 1 800 656 4271 #6 - same number that appears on the Banksyny.com site hereby confirm it's a Banksy! did someone mention $20?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 10, 2013 18:56:29 GMT 1, That's just gotta be Banksy.
That's just gotta be Banksy.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 10, 2013 16:33:21 GMT 1, Nice beaver! - classic Banksy placement
Nice beaver! - classic Banksy placement
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 9, 2013 23:56:43 GMT 1, This piece is incredible in person an I really think here in a bit they are going to hit it with black light to expose more to it. I think this will go down as a piece that people reference when they talk about his legacy as an artist. Very happy I was able to hang out for about an hour and take it in. How long till it gets dark over there AFR1KA?
This piece is incredible in person an I really think here in a bit they are going to hit it with black light to expose more to it. I think this will go down as a piece that people reference when they talk about his legacy as an artist. Very happy I was able to hang out for about an hour and take it in. How long till it gets dark over there AFR1KA?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 9, 2013 22:44:35 GMT 1, Dude, did you check the link?? "I will not take possession of any art, as it is purely intended to raise awareness for Sandy victims." Then who would it ultimately be owned by? It just seems that the location would be in the person's best interest. Wouldn't it make more sense if it was specified that he'd arrange for a wall in a Sandy ravaged area--to get people to come to that city, and improve the economy? Like "I'll arrange for x wall in Seaside Heights." The lack of details makes me very skeptical about the proposed offer. The location is not conditional to the offer.
He's saying "do a piece about Sandy - anywhere that it's not illegal to do so" (thereby covering himself from any potential charge of encouraging someone to commit a crime)
He's said that he can arrange a location if that helps - but the offer is certainly not conditional on Banksy taking him up on that.
Dude, did you check the link?? "I will not take possession of any art, as it is purely intended to raise awareness for Sandy victims." Then who would it ultimately be owned by? It just seems that the location would be in the person's best interest. Wouldn't it make more sense if it was specified that he'd arrange for a wall in a Sandy ravaged area--to get people to come to that city, and improve the economy? Like "I'll arrange for x wall in Seaside Heights." The lack of details makes me very skeptical about the proposed offer. The location is not conditional to the offer. He's saying "do a piece about Sandy - anywhere that it's not illegal to do so" (thereby covering himself from any potential charge of encouraging someone to commit a crime) He's said that he can arrange a location if that helps - but the offer is certainly not conditional on Banksy taking him up on that.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 9, 2013 22:37:39 GMT 1, Right now, there's a machine shop owner, staring at his door and feeling hard done by..... lol - how quickly a high can turn into a low eh?
Right now, there's a machine shop owner, staring at his door and feeling hard done by..... lol - how quickly a high can turn into a low eh?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 9, 2013 22:30:11 GMT 1, This is a bit like that "Buy our soap powder and we'll donate a vaccine to save a child's life" or "Buy our pet food and we'll donate a meal to a dog in a pound". How about, you already seem to have plenty of money, so why not do the decent thing and you donate it regardless. Soooo---this person would get an original Banksy piece (at a discount), and then donate money to a charity--making his purchase a complete tax write off. Dude, did you check the link??
"I will not take possession of any art, as it is purely intended to raise awareness for Sandy victims."
This is a bit like that "Buy our soap powder and we'll donate a vaccine to save a child's life" or "Buy our pet food and we'll donate a meal to a dog in a pound". How about, you already seem to have plenty of money, so why not do the decent thing and you donate it regardless. Soooo---this person would get an original Banksy piece (at a discount), and then donate money to a charity--making his purchase a complete tax write off. Dude, did you check the link?? "I will not take possession of any art, as it is purely intended to raise awareness for Sandy victims."
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 9, 2013 22:24:34 GMT 1, This is a bit like that "Buy our soap powder and we'll donate a vaccine to save a child's life" or "Buy our pet food and we'll donate a meal to a dog in a pound". How about, you already seem to have plenty of money, so why not do the decent thing and you donate it regardless. That was my original thought too.
But on further reflection I see why he's doing it this way. He wants to raise awareness. If he just quietly donated his $100k thats great and all but that's it.
If this comes off for him then hopefully it would generate a lot of media coverage which might get a lot of other folks to donate too.
And unlike your analogy, he's not saying "buy something off me" and Ill donate. He's saying "Do a piece about Sandy" and I'll donate. An important difference I think.
He's a very clever guy and I think this is a clever idea of his.... if Banksy does it....
Edit: And I wouldn't be at all surprised, if the end of the month comes and Banksy hasn't done a Sandy piece, to see him donate the $100k anyway...
This is a bit like that "Buy our soap powder and we'll donate a vaccine to save a child's life" or "Buy our pet food and we'll donate a meal to a dog in a pound". How about, you already seem to have plenty of money, so why not do the decent thing and you donate it regardless. That was my original thought too. But on further reflection I see why he's doing it this way. He wants to raise awareness. If he just quietly donated his $100k thats great and all but that's it. If this comes off for him then hopefully it would generate a lot of media coverage which might get a lot of other folks to donate too. And unlike your analogy, he's not saying "buy something off me" and Ill donate. He's saying "Do a piece about Sandy" and I'll donate. An important difference I think. He's a very clever guy and I think this is a clever idea of his.... if Banksy does it.... Edit: And I wouldn't be at all surprised, if the end of the month comes and Banksy hasn't done a Sandy piece, to see him donate the $100k anyway...
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