sin
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by sin on Aug 8, 2013 14:52:00 GMT 1, resisting arrest is a blanket term used by police to justify violence. the kid ran from the cops. remember the kid in florida who was taken to the ground and beaten because of "dehumanizing stares", look it up, its ridiculous.
im sorry, its vandalism, it s10 seconds and a paint can to fix, if the kid runs "let him go" chasing him and causing an elevated state by both him and the police is not reasonable and in this case tasing a kid who weighs slightly over 100 lbs is beyond moronic and unnecessary.
or... they can feel free to stop using our art to adorn their palaces if they are just going to kill tomorrows talent.
resisting arrest is a blanket term used by police to justify violence. the kid ran from the cops. remember the kid in florida who was taken to the ground and beaten because of "dehumanizing stares", look it up, its ridiculous.
im sorry, its vandalism, it s10 seconds and a paint can to fix, if the kid runs "let him go" chasing him and causing an elevated state by both him and the police is not reasonable and in this case tasing a kid who weighs slightly over 100 lbs is beyond moronic and unnecessary.
or... they can feel free to stop using our art to adorn their palaces if they are just going to kill tomorrows talent.
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randomname
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by randomname on Aug 8, 2013 14:54:32 GMT 1, This is pretty messed up either way. If the cops are telling the truth, what happened is in large part his own fault. Why on Earth would you charge the cops? That said, I've had enough experience with the police not to take them at their word. They'll say and do whatever it takes to justify their own criminal behavior. I'd feel better about this if there were witnesses to say what happened one way or the other.
This is pretty messed up either way. If the cops are telling the truth, what happened is in large part his own fault. Why on Earth would you charge the cops? That said, I've had enough experience with the police not to take them at their word. They'll say and do whatever it takes to justify their own criminal behavior. I'd feel better about this if there were witnesses to say what happened one way or the other.
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 15:33:36 GMT 1, The police are there to uphold the law. Rightly or wrongly graffiti is currently seen as vandalism which is against the law. I don't see it quite in the same way as police calling off a pursuit of a suspect when the suspect is driving a car in a dangerous way say but I guess fundamentally and because Israel died at the end of his pursuit you could look at it the same way.Difficult issue. The police have a duty to stop people breaking the law and to protect the public and I think the cops involved must have done pretty well to actually corner Israel in the first place. Then by their actions, they killed him.Not right. Something here went so wrong that an 18 year old died. His family and friends will never see him again. I feel so sorry for them. To say it was in large part Israel's fault is bonkers.
The police are there to uphold the law. Rightly or wrongly graffiti is currently seen as vandalism which is against the law. I don't see it quite in the same way as police calling off a pursuit of a suspect when the suspect is driving a car in a dangerous way say but I guess fundamentally and because Israel died at the end of his pursuit you could look at it the same way.Difficult issue. The police have a duty to stop people breaking the law and to protect the public and I think the cops involved must have done pretty well to actually corner Israel in the first place. Then by their actions, they killed him.Not right. Something here went so wrong that an 18 year old died. His family and friends will never see him again. I feel so sorry for them. To say it was in large part Israel's fault is bonkers.
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tomega
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by tomega on Aug 8, 2013 15:40:47 GMT 1, Based on the news items I've read seems to me like the police know they'd f**ked up and caused an unecessary death. They are probably using the word 'charging' to make it sound like the young man was threatening towards them. If they say said 'The young man was scared shitless we were going to beat the crap out of him and as we had him cornered he ran at us in the hope of forcing an exit point to make good his escape', we'll that doesn't sound so good for them does it? As everyone has said (other than one) its something that shouldn't have happened and I do appreciate we don't know all the facts but it does appear to be true that he was unarmed which to me is reason enough not have tasered him.
Based on the news items I've read seems to me like the police know they'd f**ked up and caused an unecessary death. They are probably using the word 'charging' to make it sound like the young man was threatening towards them. If they say said 'The young man was scared shitless we were going to beat the crap out of him and as we had him cornered he ran at us in the hope of forcing an exit point to make good his escape', we'll that doesn't sound so good for them does it? As everyone has said (other than one) its something that shouldn't have happened and I do appreciate we don't know all the facts but it does appear to be true that he was unarmed which to me is reason enough not have tasered him.
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randomname
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by randomname on Aug 8, 2013 16:32:24 GMT 1, To say it was in large part Israel's fault is bonkers. I'm not saying the police version is true. But if he did charge the cops, he could not have expected anything good to come from that. Personally, if I ran from the police then charged them when cornered, I would freely admit that whatever happened next was my own fault.
On the other hand, I don't trust the police any more than I would trust a crack ho. For all we know, he gave up when he was cornered and they tasered him anyway for making them run. In which case, they should be charged with manslaughter. Unfortunately, we only have their word to go on.
To say it was in large part Israel's fault is bonkers. I'm not saying the police version is true. But if he did charge the cops, he could not have expected anything good to come from that. Personally, if I ran from the police then charged them when cornered, I would freely admit that whatever happened next was my own fault. On the other hand, I don't trust the police any more than I would trust a crack ho. For all we know, he gave up when he was cornered and they tasered him anyway for making them run. In which case, they should be charged with manslaughter. Unfortunately, we only have their word to go on.
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sin
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by sin on Aug 8, 2013 17:25:03 GMT 1, saying you shot a bunny because it hopped in your direction makes about as much sense as one of Miami's "finest" needed to taser a kid who weighs as much as my rail thin girl friend.
for anyone who says vandalism is a crime and deserve this kind of action, I sincerely hope your entire collection get jacked from your house, lit on fire, video taped and the tape sent to you. you cant in your right mind try to say you support urban contemporary art (or whatever fool ass term its called these days) and on then try to say that the police are there to protect the community from vandalism. Particularly to the point that the kid ended up dead because he was tasered.
saying you shot a bunny because it hopped in your direction makes about as much sense as one of Miami's "finest" needed to taser a kid who weighs as much as my rail thin girl friend.
for anyone who says vandalism is a crime and deserve this kind of action, I sincerely hope your entire collection get jacked from your house, lit on fire, video taped and the tape sent to you. you cant in your right mind try to say you support urban contemporary art (or whatever fool ass term its called these days) and on then try to say that the police are there to protect the community from vandalism. Particularly to the point that the kid ended up dead because he was tasered.
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 17:33:25 GMT 1, For Christ sakes people. At the end of rhe day nobody here saw what happened or really knows the full facts.
Maybe any comments that suggest he 'asked for it' or, on the flip side, that the Police are killers should be knocked on the head until we find out more about what actually happened.
For Christ sakes people. At the end of rhe day nobody here saw what happened or really knows the full facts.
Maybe any comments that suggest he 'asked for it' or, on the flip side, that the Police are killers should be knocked on the head until we find out more about what actually happened.
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randomname
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by randomname on Aug 8, 2013 17:53:08 GMT 1, saying you shot a bunny because it hopped in your direction makes about as much sense as one of Miami's "finest" needed to taser a kid who weighs as much as my rail thin girl friend. for anyone who says vandalism is a crime and deserve this kind of action, I sincerely hope your entire collection get jacked from your house, lit on fire, video taped and the tape sent to you. you cant in your right mind try to say you support urban contemporary art (or whatever fool ass term its called these days) and on then try to say that the police are there to protect the community from vandalism. Particularly to the point that the kid ended up dead because he was tasered. You can't judge the threat someone poses based only on their size. I was 6'2" and 119 lbs. as a freshman in high school. I also took karate and wrestled. I could do more damage than someone twice my size. If you run from the police then charge them, you cannot in your right mind be surprised when they taser you. That's if he charged them like they said.
And I don't think anyone said he deserved to be tasered for vandalism. I'd be surprised if anyone here has a problem with him tagging an abandoned building. Everyone here probably breaks the law too, whether it's smoking weed or driving too fast. But we do it knowing it's against the law and there will be consequences if we're caught.
The bottom line is if he did charge the police, they were justified to taser him. If he didn't they weren't. Bad shit happens when you do stupid shit.
saying you shot a bunny because it hopped in your direction makes about as much sense as one of Miami's "finest" needed to taser a kid who weighs as much as my rail thin girl friend. for anyone who says vandalism is a crime and deserve this kind of action, I sincerely hope your entire collection get jacked from your house, lit on fire, video taped and the tape sent to you. you cant in your right mind try to say you support urban contemporary art (or whatever fool ass term its called these days) and on then try to say that the police are there to protect the community from vandalism. Particularly to the point that the kid ended up dead because he was tasered. You can't judge the threat someone poses based only on their size. I was 6'2" and 119 lbs. as a freshman in high school. I also took karate and wrestled. I could do more damage than someone twice my size. If you run from the police then charge them, you cannot in your right mind be surprised when they taser you. That's if he charged them like they said. And I don't think anyone said he deserved to be tasered for vandalism. I'd be surprised if anyone here has a problem with him tagging an abandoned building. Everyone here probably breaks the law too, whether it's smoking weed or driving too fast. But we do it knowing it's against the law and there will be consequences if we're caught. The bottom line is if he did charge the police, they were justified to taser him. If he didn't they weren't. Bad shit happens when you do stupid shit.
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by plush on Aug 8, 2013 18:21:16 GMT 1, find another forum you sad ..very sad person. mods - remove this person. .. Whilst I don't agree with what plush said, I would hate to see anyone removed for expressing an opinion (usual exceptions apply). Someone with some sense. Not sure what there is to agree about. I asked what news he was trying to get out? He wanted us to share. I said it was a sad story. I am not placing blame on either side, obviously from the end-point, better choices could have been made on each side. People talk about compassion as they call names and want harm to come to you. And they want you banned. Right, ban the people that don't agree with you.
find another forum you sad ..very sad person. mods - remove this person. .. Whilst I don't agree with what plush said, I would hate to see anyone removed for expressing an opinion (usual exceptions apply). Someone with some sense. Not sure what there is to agree about. I asked what news he was trying to get out? He wanted us to share. I said it was a sad story. I am not placing blame on either side, obviously from the end-point, better choices could have been made on each side. People talk about compassion as they call names and want harm to come to you. And they want you banned. Right, ban the people that don't agree with you.
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Street Artist Killed by Police (Please Share), by misterx on Aug 9, 2013 4:46:54 GMT 1, One thing about tasers that P's me off is the fact that they are sold to the public as non-lethal, yet people are always seemingly dying after being zapped with one. If someone pulled a taser on me i would regard it as dangerous and life threatening as a gun would be...
One thing about tasers that P's me off is the fact that they are sold to the public as non-lethal, yet people are always seemingly dying after being zapped with one. If someone pulled a taser on me i would regard it as dangerous and life threatening as a gun would be...
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