sufsean
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by sufsean on Aug 13, 2013 17:24:33 GMT 1, Hi all,
New to this board and love all the info and expertise everyone has regarding Banksy prints.
My question is--I have about 3k saved up for a Banksy print. So would it be better for me to wait and save to buy a signed print? or would an unsigned print also be a comparable investment?
With my budget and what I can save for---in the market for the following:
Grannies signed or unsigned
Donuts
No Ball Games
HMV signed or unsigned
GWB unsigned
What's the most realistic/ smartest option? What's out of my league? Would love feedback, and thanks again for welcoming a newcomer 
Hi all, New to this board and love all the info and expertise everyone has regarding Banksy prints. My question is--I have about 3k saved up for a Banksy print. So would it be better for me to wait and save to buy a signed print? or would an unsigned print also be a comparable investment? With my budget and what I can save for---in the market for the following: Grannies signed or unsigned Donuts No Ball Games HMV signed or unsigned GWB unsigned What's the most realistic/ smartest option? What's out of my league? Would love feedback, and thanks again for welcoming a newcomer |
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Winter
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Winter on Aug 13, 2013 17:40:03 GMT 1, Personally I wouldn't buy unsigned
Personally I wouldn't buy unsigned
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Hubble Bubble
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Hubble Bubble on Aug 13, 2013 17:42:07 GMT 1, ^^ what he said (and welcome to the boards)
^^ what he said (and welcome to the boards)
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Warm Gun
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Warm Gun on Aug 13, 2013 17:44:13 GMT 1, Grannies signed or unsigned
Donuts
No Ball Games
HMV signed or unsigned
GWB unsigned
As mental as it seems I think for £3000 you'd only manage to get an unsigned Grannies from that list. (which would obviously cost you less than the full £3k)
Grannies signed or unsigned
Donuts
No Ball Games
HMV signed or unsigned
GWB unsigned
As mental as it seems I think for £3000 you'd only manage to get an unsigned Grannies from that list. (which would obviously cost you less than the full £3k)
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Damien
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Damien on Aug 13, 2013 17:49:44 GMT 1, theres an unsigned bombhugger on ebay at only 99p start now, will be interesting to see how it ends
theres an unsigned bombhugger on ebay at only 99p start now, will be interesting to see how it ends
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Sundowner on Aug 13, 2013 17:54:03 GMT 1, You may be able to get a chocolate donut for £3k...
You may be able to get a chocolate donut for £3k...
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sufsean
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by sufsean on Aug 13, 2013 17:57:20 GMT 1, Grannies signed or unsigned Donuts No Ball Games HMV signed or unsigned GWB unsigned As mental as it seems I think for £3000 you'd only manage to get an unsigned Grannies from that list. (which would obviously cost you less than the full £3k)
How far do you think I'm away from a signed?
And in terms of say, lets say a signed in 3 years goes from 5k to 10k (hypothetically of course)...if that was the example/norm---what would say a 3k unsigned go to in that same 3 years?
FYI: I'm not a gallery, I genuinely want a Banksy on my wall. I just want to go the smart/informed route.
Thanks everyone of all the info and links so far
Grannies signed or unsigned Donuts No Ball Games HMV signed or unsigned GWB unsigned As mental as it seems I think for £3000 you'd only manage to get an unsigned Grannies from that list. (which would obviously cost you less than the full £3k) How far do you think I'm away from a signed? And in terms of say, lets say a signed in 3 years goes from 5k to 10k (hypothetically of course)...if that was the example/norm---what would say a 3k unsigned go to in that same 3 years? FYI: I'm not a gallery, I genuinely want a Banksy on my wall. I just want to go the smart/informed route. Thanks everyone of all the info and links so far |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 18:08:03 GMT 1, You may be able to get a chocolate donut for £3k...
as if...
You may be able to get a chocolate donut for £3k... as if... |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Sundowner on Aug 13, 2013 18:10:44 GMT 1, I was offered one for £3.2k last week, so there may be hope....
I was offered one for £3.2k last week, so there may be hope....
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by disdig1 on Aug 13, 2013 18:12:08 GMT 1, obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time.
obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time.
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by thisisanton on Aug 13, 2013 18:41:51 GMT 1, A Chocolate Donuts recently sold on ebay for £3,500.
An unsigned GWB is going for more than some of the signed prints listed above. Why is that? Because it's an iconic image, not many in good condition exists, don't come up often? I don't see it's price going down any time soon. It won't be worth as much as it's signed counterpart, but it'll always be worth more than a Donuts or S&S.
A Chocolate Donuts recently sold on ebay for £3,500.
An unsigned GWB is going for more than some of the signed prints listed above. Why is that? Because it's an iconic image, not many in good condition exists, don't come up often? I don't see it's price going down any time soon. It won't be worth as much as it's signed counterpart, but it'll always be worth more than a Donuts or S&S.
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chaserawr
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by chaserawr on Aug 13, 2013 18:42:37 GMT 1, obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time.
Yep, this is pretty much how I feel. I bought an U/S LIITA and have no regrets that I could have bought a CYW Gray edition of 100 for pretty much the same price. I wanted more iconic image to look at.
obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time. Yep, this is pretty much how I feel. I bought an U/S LIITA and have no regrets that I could have bought a CYW Gray edition of 100 for pretty much the same price. I wanted more iconic image to look at. |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Strange Al on Aug 13, 2013 18:43:55 GMT 1, Firstly, welcome to the forum.
Best advice in my view is, irrespective of whether you opt for a signed or an unsigned print, you need to be fully prepared for the eventuality that you may never get back what you spend. Therefore, choose an image you feel an emotional connection to and enjoy looking at, as that will be the only guaranteed return on your investment (guaranteed at least until your tastes in art change or you otherwise get bored of the image).
With the prices we're currently seeing, which I personally think are hugely overinflated when compared to the wider contemporary market, "investing" in Banksy's is a pretty dangerous game in my view. Whilst there are undoubtedly a lot of people now fairly heavily invested in Banksy's work and therefore also incentivised to keep prices up, my feeling is that it really wouldn't take all too much for the bubble to burst.
I've got a fairly large Banksy collection and so absolutely no incentive to talk prices down (indeed, I hope I'm wrong), though I think this is the realistic view.
Firstly, welcome to the forum.
Best advice in my view is, irrespective of whether you opt for a signed or an unsigned print, you need to be fully prepared for the eventuality that you may never get back what you spend. Therefore, choose an image you feel an emotional connection to and enjoy looking at, as that will be the only guaranteed return on your investment (guaranteed at least until your tastes in art change or you otherwise get bored of the image).
With the prices we're currently seeing, which I personally think are hugely overinflated when compared to the wider contemporary market, "investing" in Banksy's is a pretty dangerous game in my view. Whilst there are undoubtedly a lot of people now fairly heavily invested in Banksy's work and therefore also incentivised to keep prices up, my feeling is that it really wouldn't take all too much for the bubble to burst.
I've got a fairly large Banksy collection and so absolutely no incentive to talk prices down (indeed, I hope I'm wrong), though I think this is the realistic view.
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by otomi on Aug 13, 2013 18:48:01 GMT 1, Just make sure you don't buy a fake.
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Warm Gun
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Warm Gun on Aug 13, 2013 18:49:54 GMT 1, ^^^ good advice strangers, the bubble has burst once before to some extent and to be brutally honest I hope it does again soon, it's all getting a bit out of hand. (like it did last time) only this time round people have invested even more.
^^^ good advice strangers, the bubble has burst once before to some extent and to be brutally honest I hope it does again soon, it's all getting a bit out of hand. (like it did last time) only this time round people have invested even more.
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sufsean
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by sufsean on Aug 13, 2013 18:52:02 GMT 1, obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time. Yep, this is pretty much how I feel. I bought an U/S LIITA and have no regrets that I could have bought a CYW Gray edition of 100 for pretty much the same price. I wanted more iconic image to look at.
I don't have this much "art money" often--so I want to make the right move
obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time. Yep, this is pretty much how I feel. I bought an U/S LIITA and have no regrets that I could have bought a CYW Gray edition of 100 for pretty much the same price. I wanted more iconic image to look at. In my case, I like Donut, NBG and Grannies all a lot. So with my budget--what would be your move? Should I hold off and save, or just cave and buy an unsigned grannies? Am I that far off from a signed? I don't have this much "art money" often--so I want to make the right move |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by thisisanton on Aug 13, 2013 18:54:09 GMT 1, what year did the "bubble burst" and how much did the prices go down?
what year did the "bubble burst" and how much did the prices go down?
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Warm Gun
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Warm Gun on Aug 13, 2013 18:57:33 GMT 1, You're about a £1000 away from maybe getting a NGB, maybe £500-£750 away from getting a donuts. If I was you I'd save for a signed print rather than get an unsigned grannies. Just by what you feel you can afford and what you'd be happy to look at everyday.
BTW there is an awful lot of self interest in this forum, it's become a place where people feel they need to protect their investments by hyping the shit out of everything. Don't feel rushed to by a Banksy print, you'll only end up paying top dollar for it which you might regret...
You're about a £1000 away from maybe getting a NGB, maybe £500-£750 away from getting a donuts. If I was you I'd save for a signed print rather than get an unsigned grannies. Just by what you feel you can afford and what you'd be happy to look at everyday.
BTW there is an awful lot of self interest in this forum, it's become a place where people feel they need to protect their investments by hyping the shit out of everything. Don't feel rushed to by a Banksy print, you'll only end up paying top dollar for it which you might regret...
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by chaserawr on Aug 13, 2013 19:03:13 GMT 1, If those are the images your really after then I would stretch it for a signed. Ultimately this is all my opinion you have the make the decision that makes sense for you financially.
If those are the images your really after then I would stretch it for a signed. Ultimately this is all my opinion you have the make the decision that makes sense for you financially.
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Stoko on Aug 13, 2013 19:07:07 GMT 1, Welcome aboard. Are you are talking about 'an investment' as in something that will gain you money over the years, as opposed to buying something that will still be worth a comparable amount in years?
If so then banksy is a very expensive risk with small payback. If you're after investing then, as I'm sure most on here would say, you're better off buying something you like by someone not well known and hoping you have taste.
If you mean buying something that will steadily and slowly increase value then signed banksy will do the job, but I seriously doubt there'll be a steep increase in prices for a good few years unless Mr b starts producing a body of work soon. Which doesn't look likely...
Welcome aboard. Are you are talking about 'an investment' as in something that will gain you money over the years, as opposed to buying something that will still be worth a comparable amount in years?
If so then banksy is a very expensive risk with small payback. If you're after investing then, as I'm sure most on here would say, you're better off buying something you like by someone not well known and hoping you have taste.
If you mean buying something that will steadily and slowly increase value then signed banksy will do the job, but I seriously doubt there'll be a steep increase in prices for a good few years unless Mr b starts producing a body of work soon. Which doesn't look likely...
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sufsean
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by sufsean on Aug 13, 2013 19:12:53 GMT 1, Welcome aboard. Are you are talking about 'an investment' as in something that will gain you money over the years, as opposed to buying something that will still be worth a comparable amount in years? If so then banksy is a very expensive risk with small payback. If you're after investing then, as I'm sure most on here would say, you're better off buying something you like by someone not well known and hoping you have taste. If you mean buying something that will steadily and slowly increase value then signed banksy will do the job, but I seriously doubt there'll be a steep increase in prices for a good few years unless Mr b starts producing a body of work soon. Which doesn't look likely...
Welcome aboard. Are you are talking about 'an investment' as in something that will gain you money over the years, as opposed to buying something that will still be worth a comparable amount in years? If so then banksy is a very expensive risk with small payback. If you're after investing then, as I'm sure most on here would say, you're better off buying something you like by someone not well known and hoping you have taste. If you mean buying something that will steadily and slowly increase value then signed banksy will do the job, but I seriously doubt there'll be a steep increase in prices for a good few years unless Mr b starts producing a body of work soon. Which doesn't look likely... Investment as in---if I want to sell after a few years, I can sell for at least a profit. And wanted to see which prints are better are better off going for the signed. |
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sufsean
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by sufsean on Aug 13, 2013 19:18:56 GMT 1,
You're about a £1000 away from maybe getting a NGB, maybe £500-£750 away from getting a donuts. If I was you I'd save for a signed print rather than get an unsigned grannies. Just by what you feel you can afford and what you'd be happy to look at everyday. BTW there is an awful lot of self interest in this forum, it's become a place where people feel they need to protect their investments by hyping the s**t out of everything. Don't feel rushed to by a Banksy print, you'll only end up paying top dollar for it which you might regret...
How far am I from a signed grannies? And between NBG/Donuts/Grannies signed---which do you think would have the biggest investment upside?
Btw--I'm in the states, so when I said 3k, that's in dollars (so I'm alittle further than I thought). Leaning towards saving for a signed, hopefully I can be patient and find a great deal somewhere
You're about a £1000 away from maybe getting a NGB, maybe £500-£750 away from getting a donuts. If I was you I'd save for a signed print rather than get an unsigned grannies. Just by what you feel you can afford and what you'd be happy to look at everyday. BTW there is an awful lot of self interest in this forum, it's become a place where people feel they need to protect their investments by hyping the s**t out of everything. Don't feel rushed to by a Banksy print, you'll only end up paying top dollar for it which you might regret... How far am I from a signed grannies? And between NBG/Donuts/Grannies signed---which do you think would have the biggest investment upside? Btw--I'm in the states, so when I said 3k, that's in dollars (so I'm alittle further than I thought). Leaning towards saving for a signed, hopefully I can be patient and find a great deal somewhere |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Damien on Aug 13, 2013 19:25:19 GMT 1, You're about a £1000 away from maybe getting a NGB, maybe £500-£750 away from getting a donuts. If I was you I'd save for a signed print rather than get an unsigned grannies. Just by what you feel you can afford and what you'd be happy to look at everyday. BTW there is an awful lot of self interest in this forum, it's become a place where people feel they need to protect their investments by hyping the s**t out of everything. Don't feel rushed to by a Banksy print, you'll only end up paying top dollar for it which you might regret... How far am I from a signed grannies? And between NBG/Donuts/Grannies signed---which do you think would have the biggest investment upside? Btw--I'm in the states, so when I said 3k, that's in dollars (so I'm alittle further than I thought). Leaning towards saving for a signed, hopefully I can be patient and find a great deal somewhere
You're about a £1000 away from maybe getting a NGB, maybe £500-£750 away from getting a donuts. If I was you I'd save for a signed print rather than get an unsigned grannies. Just by what you feel you can afford and what you'd be happy to look at everyday. BTW there is an awful lot of self interest in this forum, it's become a place where people feel they need to protect their investments by hyping the s**t out of everything. Don't feel rushed to by a Banksy print, you'll only end up paying top dollar for it which you might regret... How far am I from a signed grannies? And between NBG/Donuts/Grannies signed---which do you think would have the biggest investment upside? Btw--I'm in the states, so when I said 3k, that's in dollars (so I'm alittle further than I thought). Leaning towards saving for a signed, hopefully I can be patient and find a great deal somewhere your quite far away then, everything is usually in pounds on here |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Damien on Aug 13, 2013 19:27:23 GMT 1, im pretty sure if someone advised you which of those to buy for investment it would just be a guess, which do you like most?
im pretty sure if someone advised you which of those to buy for investment it would just be a guess, which do you like most?
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by thisisanton on Aug 13, 2013 19:28:42 GMT 1, $3K...you're a long ways away from your goal.  I don't think you can find a signed for under $7K.
$3K...you're a long ways away from your goal. I don't think you can find a signed for under $7K. |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by sufsean on Aug 13, 2013 19:43:16 GMT 1, im pretty sure if someone advised you which of those to buy for investment it would just be a guess, which do you like most?
Grannies/NBG, Donuts is 3rd. I'll take guesses, haha
What's more expensive at this point: signed grannies or NBG?
im pretty sure if someone advised you which of those to buy for investment it would just be a guess, which do you like most? Grannies/NBG, Donuts is 3rd. I'll take guesses, haha What's more expensive at this point: signed grannies or NBG? |
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Damien on Aug 13, 2013 19:45:35 GMT 1, grannies i think
grannies i think
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Banksy Investment (signed vs. unsigned), by Cornish Crayon on Aug 13, 2013 19:48:12 GMT 1, obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time.
Nail and head, I thank you
obviously a signed image is going to be a much better investment then an unsigned but i would personally rather have an unsigned iconic image like laugh now, liita, happy choppers if you plan to hang it on your wall to enjoy for a long time. Nail and head, I thank you |
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I don't think you can find a signed for under $7K.
