gatecrasher
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Flipper with patience ?, by gatecrasher on Dec 1, 2013 0:24:46 GMT 1, I'm just wondering how people feel about sales threads with the usual "as new condition, never framed, kept flat in archival sleeve" for prints that are 5+ years old.
Is there really that much difference between someone buying a current release and selling it for a profit weeks later and the person that decides now's the time to ask 10k for the Banksy he's had under the bed for years.
Neither loves the art enough to frame it and look at it every day as they walk past, so it's got to be all about "show me the money !!"
I've been as frustrated as everyone on this forum when I miss a release that I really want and then see it on Fleabay 2 minutes later. But I think the moral high ground between insta-flipping and selling your beloved "as new" art work isn't so high in alot of cases.
What do other people think ?
I'm just wondering how people feel about sales threads with the usual "as new condition, never framed, kept flat in archival sleeve" for prints that are 5+ years old.
Is there really that much difference between someone buying a current release and selling it for a profit weeks later and the person that decides now's the time to ask 10k for the Banksy he's had under the bed for years.
Neither loves the art enough to frame it and look at it every day as they walk past, so it's got to be all about "show me the money !!"
I've been as frustrated as everyone on this forum when I miss a release that I really want and then see it on Fleabay 2 minutes later. But I think the moral high ground between insta-flipping and selling your beloved "as new" art work isn't so high in alot of cases.
What do other people think ?
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Flipper with patience ?, by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 1:01:01 GMT 1, There isn't always much difference. You'll see this on EBay and in a For Sale thread in all the art forums.
It could be that someone has simply bought something and decided that they don't want it and just stored it away and forgotten about it. There are so many high value prints though that people know the value of and know that they'll only go up in value that get stored away just to make a nice little profit at a later date.
We all like to make a profit but it is frustrating when you miss something on a drop and you just know someone else got one that has no intention of framing it and is going to store it away and watch its value soar.
There isn't always much difference. You'll see this on EBay and in a For Sale thread in all the art forums.
It could be that someone has simply bought something and decided that they don't want it and just stored it away and forgotten about it. There are so many high value prints though that people know the value of and know that they'll only go up in value that get stored away just to make a nice little profit at a later date.
We all like to make a profit but it is frustrating when you miss something on a drop and you just know someone else got one that has no intention of framing it and is going to store it away and watch its value soar.
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thomess
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Flipper with patience ?, by thomess on Dec 1, 2013 1:15:47 GMT 1, For me, word "flipper" should be banned from this forum...
For me, word "flipper" should be banned from this forum...
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monsoonking
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Flipper with patience ?, by monsoonking on Dec 1, 2013 1:20:16 GMT 1, For serious moves in price, I think flipping/selling is defensible. It's entirely possible that a print that's worth the $200 purchase price to a collector simply isn't worth the $2,000 secondary price. He'd rather have that money to plow into other pieces. Flipping a $500 piece for $600 a week later is less defensible, as the buyer was almost certainly looking to flip from the get-go. It just adds a layer of annoyance for the collectors who genuinely want to hang the piece on the wall.
I think that it's not uncommon to make an impulse buy (or even thought out decision) and never get around to hanging it, possibly due to wall space issues, framing costs, stylistic cohesion, significant other objections, or whatever. Almost every collector has a few prints not in the current rotation.
It's most frustrating when a printer issues a piece for well below secondary as we saw with the Retna piece from Braddock Tiles. This kind of pricing will attract flippers by the droves, and the net effect is that fewer true fans end up with the piece and money goes to the flippers rather than the artist and arts organization. I'm guessing they just massively underestimated the demand for Retna works, for whom there exists almost no affordable works in the secondary (or perhaps wanted to price consistently with their other artists so-as not to make an implicit value judgement on their works).
Your best defense is to get on the mailing lists of the artist, galleries, and organizations who are most likely to issue pieces by the artists you collect. To the vigilant goes the spoils.
For serious moves in price, I think flipping/selling is defensible. It's entirely possible that a print that's worth the $200 purchase price to a collector simply isn't worth the $2,000 secondary price. He'd rather have that money to plow into other pieces. Flipping a $500 piece for $600 a week later is less defensible, as the buyer was almost certainly looking to flip from the get-go. It just adds a layer of annoyance for the collectors who genuinely want to hang the piece on the wall.
I think that it's not uncommon to make an impulse buy (or even thought out decision) and never get around to hanging it, possibly due to wall space issues, framing costs, stylistic cohesion, significant other objections, or whatever. Almost every collector has a few prints not in the current rotation.
It's most frustrating when a printer issues a piece for well below secondary as we saw with the Retna piece from Braddock Tiles. This kind of pricing will attract flippers by the droves, and the net effect is that fewer true fans end up with the piece and money goes to the flippers rather than the artist and arts organization. I'm guessing they just massively underestimated the demand for Retna works, for whom there exists almost no affordable works in the secondary (or perhaps wanted to price consistently with their other artists so-as not to make an implicit value judgement on their works).
Your best defense is to get on the mailing lists of the artist, galleries, and organizations who are most likely to issue pieces by the artists you collect. To the vigilant goes the spoils.
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Martin DK
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Flipper with patience ?, by Martin DK on Dec 1, 2013 1:30:10 GMT 1, For me, word "flipper" should be banned from this forum...
However, we need to think about the consequences, that would totally ruin the "Recommend ONE film" thread! 
For me, word "flipper" should be banned from this forum... However, we need to think about the consequences, that would totally ruin the "Recommend ONE film" thread! |
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elwheel
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Flipper with patience ?, by elwheel on Dec 1, 2013 1:43:01 GMT 1, I think that the majority of people who came to this forum or 'scene' become or became collectors, not necessarily by intent, but through exposure to the pure scale and variety of talent producing canvases and paper that excite and elicit the desire to own. Not all but most. I have absolutely got carried away to the verge of debt, buying beautiful but ultimately unimportant pieces of paper. I love creative expression and in particular the screenprint process. However, I can't marry my obsession with this output and my understanding of it with my families tastes, the prioritisation of actually framing it, a cogent argument to juxtapose one purchase beside another on a wall, the waning interest after the conversation around a release dies, and so on. Sometimes purchases get stored and traded or sold on without ever being framed and enjoyed.
Some purchases excite me and get framed and some make me scratch my head and wonder was I flush that month. Some I have bought purely to sell in order to buy a more expensive piece of paper and some may lie in acid free sleeves for a while longer but will ultimately find a career on my walls. I do however agree with your thesis. There is no difference between those who flip with speed and those who buy to resell irrespective of the time lag. I don't think flipping is a bad thing as collectors depend on it to fill their collection.
I think that the majority of people who came to this forum or 'scene' become or became collectors, not necessarily by intent, but through exposure to the pure scale and variety of talent producing canvases and paper that excite and elicit the desire to own. Not all but most. I have absolutely got carried away to the verge of debt, buying beautiful but ultimately unimportant pieces of paper. I love creative expression and in particular the screenprint process. However, I can't marry my obsession with this output and my understanding of it with my families tastes, the prioritisation of actually framing it, a cogent argument to juxtapose one purchase beside another on a wall, the waning interest after the conversation around a release dies, and so on. Sometimes purchases get stored and traded or sold on without ever being framed and enjoyed.
Some purchases excite me and get framed and some make me scratch my head and wonder was I flush that month. Some I have bought purely to sell in order to buy a more expensive piece of paper and some may lie in acid free sleeves for a while longer but will ultimately find a career on my walls. I do however agree with your thesis. There is no difference between those who flip with speed and those who buy to resell irrespective of the time lag. I don't think flipping is a bad thing as collectors depend on it to fill their collection.
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morgan
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Flipper with patience ?, by morgan on Dec 1, 2013 2:25:57 GMT 1, agreed, I find no difference what so ever in flipping right after or years down the road. I have said it before and I will say it again...it is beyond ironic when someone mentions "well this is the 6 month EB or XX moving avg)...well guess what? That AVG came from somewhere and the majority are early sales. Think Fairey would have every sale an instant sell out without the flip/hype factor? If anyone is going to get on the morality of the issue it is making threads on here with "PM me with offers". I have no problem with it all but that is straight up blindly taking the biggest profit (I am sure that is not every case but 99%). I also tend to think that for the most part collectors, flippers, traders etc are great for Artists really. It allows them to instantly sell out, charge more for APs down the road and causes tons of free hype/PR, hell this is a Banksy board no? Banksy's street shop in NYC could not have been more blatant in regards to all of this. I really never understood Artists that hate a nuts secondary market, nothing but good things come from it really. Yes, your true collector might get screwed but that is part of it, we have all missed a drop. And anyone in this hobby that has never sold a print for profit, is either a liar or just has a lot of money and an extra garage. And one point on Galleries. Galleries are fantastic for tons of things but do not forget that they are a "flipper" as well, the only main difference is they have a store front and a sign/address. Artists do in fact have a Job too contrary to popular belief, and that is selling their work and making Art  Everyone has a price, commission price, etc. I could go on but that is my .02.
I just love Art. I love collecting it. I love trading it. I love selling it at times for $$. Sometimes it for another piece I really want, and sometimes it is so I can go piss it away on something stupid. People do what they want, I certainly do not care, cheers!
agreed, I find no difference what so ever in flipping right after or years down the road. I have said it before and I will say it again...it is beyond ironic when someone mentions "well this is the 6 month EB or XX moving avg)...well guess what? That AVG came from somewhere and the majority are early sales. Think Fairey would have every sale an instant sell out without the flip/hype factor? If anyone is going to get on the morality of the issue it is making threads on here with "PM me with offers". I have no problem with it all but that is straight up blindly taking the biggest profit (I am sure that is not every case but 99%). I also tend to think that for the most part collectors, flippers, traders etc are great for Artists really. It allows them to instantly sell out, charge more for APs down the road and causes tons of free hype/PR, hell this is a Banksy board no? Banksy's street shop in NYC could not have been more blatant in regards to all of this. I really never understood Artists that hate a nuts secondary market, nothing but good things come from it really. Yes, your true collector might get screwed but that is part of it, we have all missed a drop. And anyone in this hobby that has never sold a print for profit, is either a liar or just has a lot of money and an extra garage. And one point on Galleries. Galleries are fantastic for tons of things but do not forget that they are a "flipper" as well, the only main difference is they have a store front and a sign/address. Artists do in fact have a Job too contrary to popular belief, and that is selling their work and making Art Everyone has a price, commission price, etc. I could go on but that is my .02. I just love Art. I love collecting it. I love trading it. I love selling it at times for $$. Sometimes it for another piece I really want, and sometimes it is so I can go piss it away on something stupid. People do what they want, I certainly do not care, cheers! |
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johnnyh
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Flipper with patience ?, by johnnyh on Dec 1, 2013 9:01:00 GMT 1, Think there is a difference though. One is a pure trade monetary turn around eg purely bought to trade. Not saying there is anything wrong with just that is what it is.
storage in folders I do this as I regularly buy things that will not go on the wall both print and canva. If they do they replace something on the wall. Must say I do not like too many pieces on the wall so have quite a lot in folders and files. In reaction to flipping I bought these pieces becauseI liked them not to sell them and make a profit ad just as some are worth more some are worth less.
so is there a difference I think yes. Do I have a problem with people trading art no. Do I have a major problem with flipping or flippers not really but must say do not really like the concept. Do I buy from flippe? no but I tend not to get overhyped on pieces. Also do not buy many prints now so this reduces the issue.
Think there is a difference though. One is a pure trade monetary turn around eg purely bought to trade. Not saying there is anything wrong with just that is what it is.
storage in folders I do this as I regularly buy things that will not go on the wall both print and canva. If they do they replace something on the wall. Must say I do not like too many pieces on the wall so have quite a lot in folders and files. In reaction to flipping I bought these pieces becauseI liked them not to sell them and make a profit ad just as some are worth more some are worth less.
so is there a difference I think yes. Do I have a problem with people trading art no. Do I have a major problem with flipping or flippers not really but must say do not really like the concept. Do I buy from flippe? no but I tend not to get overhyped on pieces. Also do not buy many prints now so this reduces the issue.
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Flipper with patience ?, by Quinnster on Dec 1, 2013 9:18:11 GMT 1, On the other side if you find something you love long after the drop you can normally find it in mint condition and then it's up to you if you are prepared to pay the money for it.
I can not justify paying ยฃ500/600 out of my wages to buy art as I have a family, but if I sell something else and that pays for it then happy days.
Flippers only make money because of willing buyers.
On the other side if you find something you love long after the drop you can normally find it in mint condition and then it's up to you if you are prepared to pay the money for it.
I can not justify paying ยฃ500/600 out of my wages to buy art as I have a family, but if I sell something else and that pays for it then happy days.
Flippers only make money because of willing buyers.
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Flipper with patience ?, by swamped on Dec 1, 2013 10:41:41 GMT 1, Not sure how anyone on here can feel entitled to judge how anyone spends or sells anything they own for as little or as much as they feel fit to do. Must be simple envy that someone has something they want but are not willing to pay as much as the owner wants so he becomes the villain.. Reality is a tough thing for some people i guess, cant always have what you want...just deal with it.
Not sure how anyone on here can feel entitled to judge how anyone spends or sells anything they own for as little or as much as they feel fit to do. Must be simple envy that someone has something they want but are not willing to pay as much as the owner wants so he becomes the villain.. Reality is a tough thing for some people i guess, cant always have what you want...just deal with it.
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LAZAKY
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Flipper with patience ?, by LAZAKY on Dec 1, 2013 10:46:29 GMT 1, As some says, I will be happy to buy a print/OG I'm looking at for a long time that have been stored carefully and is still mint, even if I pay the high price, but this is not the subject here.
i got 2 hand painted print for Steven Harrington I bough 2 years ago that are stored flat with archival paper since I get them, I love them but don't know how to frame them, I will probably frame them or probably not and just sell them probably at a higher price than the release one, depending of the actual rate!
I think that flipping is part of the game, everybody has bought something that looked totally crazy on the website and is a mess in the flesh. So what do you when you're disappointing by an art piece and when you know that it worth (much) more than the release price on the secondary market? Admit that you could be tempted to do the flipper!
of course we all know that professional flippers are always sneaking around and will buy art only to make profit. But we are pretty lucky here, if you check most of the release thread, there is almost every time a nice forumate that could get 2 pieces or that is finally not in love with the piece he bought and will let go at cost to the first pm receive! There is a good spirit on that board and it need to be said!
I bought a rae OG a few month ago from Einstein (for not naming him) at cost, no matter you love or not this artist, but the prices are going higher and higher at every show, I'm sure he could sell it at a higher price a month/year later but he did not, he just did not love it so much, we were both happy with that issue!
The point of my thoughts is that there is still some nice people that will not do flipping at every release and sometimes just make another mate happy to get what he is looking at for a long time at a fair price!
As some says, I will be happy to buy a print/OG I'm looking at for a long time that have been stored carefully and is still mint, even if I pay the high price, but this is not the subject here. i got 2 hand painted print for Steven Harrington I bough 2 years ago that are stored flat with archival paper since I get them, I love them but don't know how to frame them, I will probably frame them or probably not and just sell them probably at a higher price than the release one, depending of the actual rate! I think that flipping is part of the game, everybody has bought something that looked totally crazy on the website and is a mess in the flesh. So what do you when you're disappointing by an art piece and when you know that it worth (much) more than the release price on the secondary market? Admit that you could be tempted to do the flipper! of course we all know that professional flippers are always sneaking around and will buy art only to make profit. But we are pretty lucky here, if you check most of the release thread, there is almost every time a nice forumate that could get 2 pieces or that is finally not in love with the piece he bought and will let go at cost to the first pm receive! There is a good spirit on that board and it need to be said! I bought a rae OG a few month ago from Einstein (for not naming him) at cost, no matter you love or not this artist, but the prices are going higher and higher at every show, I'm sure he could sell it at a higher price a month/year later but he did not, he just did not love it so much, we were both happy with that issue! The point of my thoughts is that there is still some nice people that will not do flipping at every release and sometimes just make another mate happy to get what he is looking at for a long time at a fair price! |
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Flipper with patience ?, by LAZAKY on Dec 1, 2013 10:50:19 GMT 1, I think this is just the best point swamped!
This is what I think at every obey release...!
I think this is just the best point swamped! This is what I think at every obey release...! |
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gatecrasher
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Flipper with patience ?, by gatecrasher on Dec 1, 2013 11:45:34 GMT 1, I'm just wondering how people feel about sales threads with the usual "as new condition, never framed, kept flat in archival sleeve" for prints that are 5+ years old. Is there really that much difference between someone buying a current release and selling it for a profit weeks later and the person that decides now's the time to ask 10k for the Banksy he's had under the bed for years. Neither loves the art enough to frame it and look at it every day as they walk past, so it's got to be all about "show me the money !!" I've been as frustrated as everyone on this forum when I miss a release that I really want and then see it on Fleabay 2 minutes later. But I think the moral high ground between insta-flipping and selling your beloved "as new" art work isn't so high in alot of cases. What do other people think ? So what you saying? You've never sold a print for a profit?
I did mention 5+ years plus because that is long time to hold onto something.
I totally agree about Obey. Iv'e bought some prints and love them, but I think art history will look back and see them like one of those 70's rock bands that released 23 albums but everyone agrees only the 1st and 3rd one were any good.
I'm just wondering how people feel about sales threads with the usual "as new condition, never framed, kept flat in archival sleeve" for prints that are 5+ years old. Is there really that much difference between someone buying a current release and selling it for a profit weeks later and the person that decides now's the time to ask 10k for the Banksy he's had under the bed for years. Neither loves the art enough to frame it and look at it every day as they walk past, so it's got to be all about "show me the money !!" I've been as frustrated as everyone on this forum when I miss a release that I really want and then see it on Fleabay 2 minutes later. But I think the moral high ground between insta-flipping and selling your beloved "as new" art work isn't so high in alot of cases. What do other people think ? So what you saying? You've never sold a print for a profit? Yes of course I have. Equally I've sold at a loss before when I realised I didn't have room or just needed some cash for another purchase. Iv'e got art if folders that I can't afford to frame and art that I need to persuade my wife would look great on her walls, some of which I'll look at and decide I don't like it as much as I did. I did mention 5+ years plus because that is long time to hold onto something. I totally agree about Obey. Iv'e bought some prints and love them, but I think art history will look back and see them like one of those 70's rock bands that released 23 albums but everyone agrees only the 1st and 3rd one were any good. |
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Flipper with patience ?, by 11 on Dec 1, 2013 12:08:37 GMT 1, I think a flipper is the one making a purchase purely for immediate profit but reading this thread you'd think it was being suggested that the whole secondary is unfair and everyone should sell at cost XD
If you didn't have flippers do you seriously think everyone would score the piece they were after - I like to curse at the odd flipper and it is 'rubbing your nose in it' when they use the forum but at the end of the day it is sometimes a second chance to get a piece you really want.
I don't begrudge anyone a flip as long as it's honest and decent - it is the fraudsters and scammers that should be hounded.
(PS - not sold a thing for years but decided I need to 'restructure' my collection.....and if you think something like Dolk's Toy would be going at cost then your as barmy as this thread)
I think a flipper is the one making a purchase purely for immediate profit but reading this thread you'd think it was being suggested that the whole secondary is unfair and everyone should sell at cost XD
If you didn't have flippers do you seriously think everyone would score the piece they were after - I like to curse at the odd flipper and it is 'rubbing your nose in it' when they use the forum but at the end of the day it is sometimes a second chance to get a piece you really want.
I don't begrudge anyone a flip as long as it's honest and decent - it is the fraudsters and scammers that should be hounded.
(PS - not sold a thing for years but decided I need to 'restructure' my collection.....and if you think something like Dolk's Toy would be going at cost then your as barmy as this thread)
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Flipper with patience ?, by mandingo on Dec 1, 2013 13:13:49 GMT 1, There's no difference in my eyes we all by art that we may like and stash it away then sell it to get the next piece that you really want. Great case for this is the Tenderloin release everyone's off loading at cost as it didn't make the money as people thought. It was a case of image is OK but I'll but it anyway.
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There's no difference in my eyes we all by art that we may like and stash it away then sell it to get the next piece that you really want. Great case for this is the Tenderloin release everyone's off loading at cost as it didn't make the money as people thought. It was a case of image is OK but I'll but it anyway.
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Flipper with patience ?, by alittle on Dec 1, 2013 13:33:17 GMT 1, A lot of people are flat file/portfolio collectors, which makes sense, as eventually you run out of space on the walls. I don't think it is unusual to see prints stored flat for years. In some cases the intention may be to "flip" eventually, but I don't take issue with that as they have made the investment and taken all the risk.
The instaflippers used to piss me off, but if I ever miss a release, it is nice to know that I can pay a slight premium to score something which would have otherwise been very difficult to obtain.
A lot of people are flat file/portfolio collectors, which makes sense, as eventually you run out of space on the walls. I don't think it is unusual to see prints stored flat for years. In some cases the intention may be to "flip" eventually, but I don't take issue with that as they have made the investment and taken all the risk.
The instaflippers used to piss me off, but if I ever miss a release, it is nice to know that I can pay a slight premium to score something which would have otherwise been very difficult to obtain.
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gatecrasher
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Flipper with patience ?, by gatecrasher on Dec 1, 2013 13:44:37 GMT 1, Not sure the threads "barmy"
I started it to talk about something I'd been thinking about and wondered what other people thought too.
Obviously it's too controversial for some
So lets ...
... as usual.
Not sure the threads "barmy" I started it to talk about something I'd been thinking about and wondered what other people thought too. Obviously it's too controversial for some So lets ... ... as usual. |
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monsoonking
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Flipper with patience ?, by monsoonking on Dec 1, 2013 17:39:40 GMT 1, Obviously it's too controversial for some
Obviously it's too controversial for some It is what it is. As long as there's free money on the table, there's going to be flippers. We can make a pronouncement that a work can only be sold for P x ((365 + D/4)/365) where P is original price and D is number of days from sale, or deeply explore the ethics of the issue, but it doesn't make any difference. Everyone has to develop their own view, and act accordingly. Teeth gnashing and hand wringing is just a waste of mental energy. |
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Flipper with patience ?, by anodyne13 on Dec 1, 2013 18:55:08 GMT 1, I've said it before, but the idea that you would have scored all the prints you would want if flippers didn't buy them is completely narcissistic. The prints flippers flip are in high demand and you are just one more person that is trying to get one, what makes you think you would be the one that gets it vs. another collector. Furthermore, In your no flipper world, you would never be able to purchase art that was not bought from source because everyone would keep everything in their collection forever. What you should hope for is that a highly sought after print is bought out completely by flippers so that there is more supply on the secondary market. Its those pesky collectors that keep their prints that actually drive the prices up.
If it wasn't for flippers I would not own several great prints that I would otherwise not be able to obtain, so thank you flippers, flip on...
I've said it before, but the idea that you would have scored all the prints you would want if flippers didn't buy them is completely narcissistic. The prints flippers flip are in high demand and you are just one more person that is trying to get one, what makes you think you would be the one that gets it vs. another collector. Furthermore, In your no flipper world, you would never be able to purchase art that was not bought from source because everyone would keep everything in their collection forever. What you should hope for is that a highly sought after print is bought out completely by flippers so that there is more supply on the secondary market. Its those pesky collectors that keep their prints that actually drive the prices up.
If it wasn't for flippers I would not own several great prints that I would otherwise not be able to obtain, so thank you flippers, flip on...
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Flipper with patience ?, by Snakes on Dec 1, 2013 18:56:14 GMT 1, Flipping rocks. I managed to get some nice prints over the years by flipping POW releases. Shame POW no longer sell any prints worth flipping which is why I am now no longer in the flipping game
Flipping rocks. I managed to get some nice prints over the years by flipping POW releases. Shame POW no longer sell any prints worth flipping which is why I am now no longer in the flipping game |
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Flipper with patience ?, by Manty on Dec 1, 2013 19:03:56 GMT 1, it is what it is
I want and xbox 1 for the kids, all sold out,
i can buy one, but would have to pay a premium from ebay or gumtree or whatever from people that had the foresight and time to potentially earn some money, capitalism
Comes under the snooze you lose expression for me.
I am really crap at getting things when they are released, either cant be arsed, forget, have a shitty net speed, have no bot things doing it for me, just generally rubbish at these kinda things
anyone got an xbox 1? :-)
it is what it is
I want and xbox 1 for the kids, all sold out,
i can buy one, but would have to pay a premium from ebay or gumtree or whatever from people that had the foresight and time to potentially earn some money, capitalism
Comes under the snooze you lose expression for me.
I am really crap at getting things when they are released, either cant be arsed, forget, have a shitty net speed, have no bot things doing it for me, just generally rubbish at these kinda things
anyone got an xbox 1? :-)
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thisisanton
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Flipper with patience ?, by thisisanton on Dec 2, 2013 20:42:35 GMT 1, My friend bought 3 Xbox Ones, thinking he could flip them for a nice profit. He was wrong because everyone had the same idea. He can't find a buyer. Market is saturated with overpriced Xbox Ones. 3 people who legitimately want it can't get one because of greedy people.
My friend bought 3 Xbox Ones, thinking he could flip them for a nice profit. He was wrong because everyone had the same idea. He can't find a buyer. Market is saturated with overpriced Xbox Ones. 3 people who legitimately want it can't get one because of greedy people.
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vinzc
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Flipper with patience ?, by vinzc on Dec 4, 2013 20:30:45 GMT 1, Got a PS4 - still in the box not had the chance to set it up.
hmmmm, haha, sounds like a flipper with patience to me.
Got a PS4 - still in the box not had the chance to set it up. hmmmm, haha, sounds like a flipper with patience to me. |
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Everyone has a price, commission price, etc. I could go on but that is my .02. 
