Forbidden Love
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ahh p**sed off, by Forbidden Love on Jan 10, 2014 21:28:36 GMT 1, so I finally took the plunge and invested in large sleeves to place my larger prints in as ive started to get a few of them now and not going to frame them immediately. so I took out my dface pop tart to transfer to the sleeve and then noticed a lots of marks which what looks like mould on the back. Id swear I hadnt seen these marks before. I then unrolled it to see its also gone all the way through the paper.
distraught as its one of my favourite prints. and I cant afford another.
anyone else had this problem? and can a restorer get it out.
so I finally took the plunge and invested in large sleeves to place my larger prints in as ive started to get a few of them now and not going to frame them immediately. so I took out my dface pop tart to transfer to the sleeve and then noticed a lots of marks which what looks like mould on the back. Id swear I hadnt seen these marks before. I then unrolled it to see its also gone all the way through the paper.
distraught as its one of my favourite prints. and I cant afford another.
anyone else had this problem? and can a restorer get it out.
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kbfrombk
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ahh p**sed off, by kbfrombk on Jan 10, 2014 21:30:40 GMT 1, damn man. does your house have humidity issues that you know of? Did the tube get wet?
keep us posted~
damn man. does your house have humidity issues that you know of? Did the tube get wet? keep us posted~
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ABC
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ahh p**sed off, by ABC on Jan 10, 2014 21:34:26 GMT 1, It must have been caused by damp.
It must have been caused by damp.
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Ruggs
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ahh p**sed off, by Ruggs on Jan 10, 2014 21:35:00 GMT 1, so I finally took the plunge and invested in large sleeves to place my larger prints in as ive started to get a few of them now and not going to frame them immediately. so I took out my dface pop tart to transfer to the sleeve and then noticed a lots of marks which what looks like mould on the back. Id swear I hadnt seen these marks before. I then unrolled it to see its also gone all the way through the paper. distraught as its one of my favourite prints. and I cant afford another. anyone else had this problem? and can a restorer get it out. Try here chap. www.grahambignellstudio.co.uk/
so I finally took the plunge and invested in large sleeves to place my larger prints in as ive started to get a few of them now and not going to frame them immediately. so I took out my dface pop tart to transfer to the sleeve and then noticed a lots of marks which what looks like mould on the back. Id swear I hadnt seen these marks before. I then unrolled it to see its also gone all the way through the paper. distraught as its one of my favourite prints. and I cant afford another. anyone else had this problem? and can a restorer get it out. Try here chap. www.grahambignellstudio.co.uk/
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randomname
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ahh p**sed off, by randomname on Jan 10, 2014 21:37:02 GMT 1, Mold as in fungus? Never had it on a print. As a general rule, you want to keep your home below 50% humidity to prevent mold.
A restorer should be able to remove it, but the print might be the least of your problems. Mold can be toxic and can cost a lot to properly remove. You might want to have your home checked.
Mold as in fungus? Never had it on a print. As a general rule, you want to keep your home below 50% humidity to prevent mold.
A restorer should be able to remove it, but the print might be the least of your problems. Mold can be toxic and can cost a lot to properly remove. You might want to have your home checked.
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ahh p**sed off, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 21:39:31 GMT 1, Yep, like Ruggs said, a professional can most likely take care of that.
Sounds like foxing. Humidity and the acids in cardboard had sex with your print and produced bastard foxey children.
In most cases a good result can be had. And with that particular print well worth the investment to repair. It won't be 100% but depending on the degree of damage still very framable.
Yep, like Ruggs said, a professional can most likely take care of that.
Sounds like foxing. Humidity and the acids in cardboard had sex with your print and produced bastard foxey children.
In most cases a good result can be had. And with that particular print well worth the investment to repair. It won't be 100% but depending on the degree of damage still very framable.
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mandingo
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ahh p**sed off, by mandingo on Jan 10, 2014 22:06:15 GMT 1, Maybe your tube was against a wall that was external or in a confined space like a cupboard. As long as there is air about them should be better for them.
Sent from my C5303 using proboards
Maybe your tube was against a wall that was external or in a confined space like a cupboard. As long as there is air about them should be better for them.
Sent from my C5303 using proboards
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ahh p**sed off, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 23:11:46 GMT 1, so I finally took the plunge and invested in large sleeves to place my larger prints in as ive started to get a few of them now and not going to frame them immediately. so I took out my dface pop tart to transfer to the sleeve and then noticed a lots of marks which what looks like mould on the back. Id swear I hadnt seen these marks before. I then unrolled it to see its also gone all the way through the paper. distraught as its one of my favourite prints. and I cant afford another.ย anyone else had this problem? and can a restorer get it out. Try here chap. www.grahambignellstudio.co.uk/
+1 for Graham Bignell. That man is a modern day miracle worker.
so I finally took the plunge and invested in large sleeves to place my larger prints in as ive started to get a few of them now and not going to frame them immediately. so I took out my dface pop tart to transfer to the sleeve and then noticed a lots of marks which what looks like mould on the back. Id swear I hadnt seen these marks before. I then unrolled it to see its also gone all the way through the paper. distraught as its one of my favourite prints. and I cant afford another.ย anyone else had this problem? and can a restorer get it out. Try here chap. www.grahambignellstudio.co.uk/+1 for Graham Bignell. That man is a modern day miracle worker.
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naughtyshorty
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ahh p**sed off, by naughtyshorty on Jan 10, 2014 23:19:09 GMT 1, Out of interest, can damp get into a sealed and mounted print? Thoughts?
Out of interest, can damp get into a sealed and mounted print? Thoughts?
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loss1emouth
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ahh p**sed off, by loss1emouth on Jan 10, 2014 23:24:11 GMT 1, Agree with +1 for Graham Bignell... And more
Agree with +1 for Graham Bignell... And more
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randomname
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ahh p**sed off, by randomname on Jan 10, 2014 23:28:44 GMT 1, Out of interest, can damp get into a sealed and mounted print? Thoughts? Water can get into anything that isn't water-tight, including framed prints and prints in sleeves and tubes. Either from water or just moisture in the air. If I lived in England, I would invest in a dehumidifier.
Out of interest, can damp get into a sealed and mounted print? Thoughts? Water can get into anything that isn't water-tight, including framed prints and prints in sleeves and tubes. Either from water or just moisture in the air. If I lived in England, I would invest in a dehumidifier.
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ahh p**sed off, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 23:35:49 GMT 1, Out of interest, can damp get into a sealed and mounted print? Thoughts? I had a one time water issue in my basement. It was fixed and the water dried up. A few months later a very good framed print on paper from the 1960's had a yellowish grey mold/fungus on the front of the paper. It was in 100% acid free matt and backing so it was not foxing from the backing board. I took it out, gently rubbed it off with a paper towel. It will need proper restoration though for the stains. 3 works on paper unframed were completely ruined.
So yes in extreme conditions even a framed print is not 100% safe. That said, many other pieces survived without damage.
Out of interest, can damp get into a sealed and mounted print? Thoughts? I had a one time water issue in my basement. It was fixed and the water dried up. A few months later a very good framed print on paper from the 1960's had a yellowish grey mold/fungus on the front of the paper. It was in 100% acid free matt and backing so it was not foxing from the backing board. I took it out, gently rubbed it off with a paper towel. It will need proper restoration though for the stains. 3 works on paper unframed were completely ruined. So yes in extreme conditions even a framed print is not 100% safe. That said, many other pieces survived without damage.
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curiousgeorge
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ahh p**sed off, by curiousgeorge on Jan 10, 2014 23:53:01 GMT 1, I've got some restorers powder you can have.All you will need is a very soft brush (brand new make up brush is ideal).The powder will remove the stains and change colour/absorb any nasties.Visit a Art supplies store and buy a a4 sheet of 300gsm or similar paper to practise if unsure.
My ex had a dreadful habit of putting damp clothes on the radiator and all the prints in the room within 15 minutes or so would start to buckle! Also set the damn temp to 24/25!!! If the wrong door was left open the humidity would very quickly start to affect the prints upstairs too!
Ended up with zero art on the walls!
I've got some restorers powder you can have.All you will need is a very soft brush (brand new make up brush is ideal).The powder will remove the stains and change colour/absorb any nasties.Visit a Art supplies store and buy a a4 sheet of 300gsm or similar paper to practise if unsure.
My ex had a dreadful habit of putting damp clothes on the radiator and all the prints in the room within 15 minutes or so would start to buckle! Also set the damn temp to 24/25!!! If the wrong door was left open the humidity would very quickly start to affect the prints upstairs too!
Ended up with zero art on the walls!
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jayTown
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ahh p**sed off, by jayTown on Dec 23, 2014 21:10:04 GMT 1, I had this a few weeks ago with a print of mine in my spare room. There wasn't too much damage to the back of the print and it's a print i'll never sell but it still stung a bit.
Assuming it's because there must be damp in the room....but i've never noticed it!?
I had this a few weeks ago with a print of mine in my spare room. There wasn't too much damage to the back of the print and it's a print i'll never sell but it still stung a bit.
Assuming it's because there must be damp in the room....but i've never noticed it!?
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randomname
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ahh p**sed off, by randomname on Dec 23, 2014 21:21:55 GMT 1, Was going to my framer today and decided to bring my framed Roids print cause I thought it looked a bit 'wobbly' in it's frame. So when I took it down I was pretty much shocked. The back of the frame was even worse. Thankfully there was a extra layer of cardboard between the backboard and the print cause the mold went straight through. Removed the backboard and took it to the framer anyways. He wasn't in but I left it there and will pop in tomorrow to see what can be done. These walls were done recently but dried out and were painted twice afterwards, apparently they weren't dry enough. It was also more of a dry mold you could wipe away except for the spots. I then checked all my frames and I found another, but only a little on the back of the frame, I cleaned it, but what can I use to kill it? These frames were both hanging pretty much airtight against a wallwith little to no fresh air behind it so that probably didn't help either. Bleach mixed with water will kill mold.
The bigger problem is you probably have mold spores everywhere. Mold can be toxic. It's a good idea to have your home checked to make sure it's not.
It might also be worth buying a dehumidifier. If you keep the humidity below 50%, that should prevent any mold spores from growing new mold.
Was going to my framer today and decided to bring my framed Roids print cause I thought it looked a bit 'wobbly' in it's frame. So when I took it down I was pretty much shocked. The back of the frame was even worse. Thankfully there was a extra layer of cardboard between the backboard and the print cause the mold went straight through. Removed the backboard and took it to the framer anyways. He wasn't in but I left it there and will pop in tomorrow to see what can be done. These walls were done recently but dried out and were painted twice afterwards, apparently they weren't dry enough. It was also more of a dry mold you could wipe away except for the spots. I then checked all my frames and I found another, but only a little on the back of the frame, I cleaned it, but what can I use to kill it? These frames were both hanging pretty much airtight against a wallwith little to no fresh air behind it so that probably didn't help either. Bleach mixed with water will kill mold. The bigger problem is you probably have mold spores everywhere. Mold can be toxic. It's a good idea to have your home checked to make sure it's not. It might also be worth buying a dehumidifier. If you keep the humidity below 50%, that should prevent any mold spores from growing new mold.
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maxf
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ahh p**sed off, by maxf on Dec 23, 2014 21:27:51 GMT 1, Where is this 50% humidity figure from? It sounds very low to me - lower than 99% of houses in the UK!
Mould won't generally grow until the high 60%s.
Damp can be a condensation issue as many of out homes are virtually hermetically sealed these days - so making sure window vents are open may help and definitely make sure air bricks aren't blocked as houses are generally, especially older ones, meant to breathe.
Where is this 50% humidity figure from? It sounds very low to me - lower than 99% of houses in the UK!
Mould won't generally grow until the high 60%s.
Damp can be a condensation issue as many of out homes are virtually hermetically sealed these days - so making sure window vents are open may help and definitely make sure air bricks aren't blocked as houses are generally, especially older ones, meant to breathe.
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Aza
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ahh p**sed off, by Aza on Dec 23, 2014 22:29:33 GMT 1, If you have extractor fans in the bathroom and kitchen, upgrade them to Envirovent filterless trickle fans. I'm an electrician and install these in loads of places with damp problems and they are a great help. Although ideally you need to fix the source of the problem.
If you have extractor fans in the bathroom and kitchen, upgrade them to Envirovent filterless trickle fans. I'm an electrician and install these in loads of places with damp problems and they are a great help. Although ideally you need to fix the source of the problem.
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randomname
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ahh p**sed off, by randomname on Dec 23, 2014 22:59:54 GMT 1, Where is this 50% humidity figure from? It sounds very low to me - lower than 99% of houses in the UK! Mould won't generally grow until the high 60%s. Damp can be a condensation issue as many of out homes are virtually hermetically sealed these days - so making sure window vents are open may help and definitely make sure air bricks aren't blocked as houses are generally, especially older ones, meant to breathe. 50% is to be safe. If the overall relative humidity is lower than 50%, it helps prevent localized humidity from getting too high. It also helps prevent issues with condensation if your walls have poor insulation or otherwise inconsistent temperatures.
I ran into a mold problem about six or seven years ago. I had to have a mold remediation company come out and remove the mold, which was in the drywall and carpet. I learned my lesson the hard way.
Where is this 50% humidity figure from? It sounds very low to me - lower than 99% of houses in the UK! Mould won't generally grow until the high 60%s. Damp can be a condensation issue as many of out homes are virtually hermetically sealed these days - so making sure window vents are open may help and definitely make sure air bricks aren't blocked as houses are generally, especially older ones, meant to breathe. 50% is to be safe. If the overall relative humidity is lower than 50%, it helps prevent localized humidity from getting too high. It also helps prevent issues with condensation if your walls have poor insulation or otherwise inconsistent temperatures. I ran into a mold problem about six or seven years ago. I had to have a mold remediation company come out and remove the mold, which was in the drywall and carpet. I learned my lesson the hard way.
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ahh p**sed off, by .dappy on Dec 23, 2014 23:16:17 GMT 1, ... a lot of the time when people say they have rising damp in a house, it is normally behind a sofa, bookshelf or sideboard - they haven't - the real problem is the lack of ventilation and more importantly air circulation in the room and behind the object.
Google how much water is produced by humans, washing machines, tumble dryers into the air, never mind the natural moisture.
... When you hang a frame even it there is a 'slant' on the frame where you have used a hook or nail - put a pad at each corner of the lower part of corners of the frame - let the air circulate all around the back of the frame/picture.
... pop into poundland and buy the variety pack of pads (normally brown, green or beige) that you put on the bottom of the legs of furniture to stop them scratching ...
... a lot of the time when people say they have rising damp in a house, it is normally behind a sofa, bookshelf or sideboard - they haven't - the real problem is the lack of ventilation and more importantly air circulation in the room and behind the object.
Google how much water is produced by humans, washing machines, tumble dryers into the air, never mind the natural moisture.
... When you hang a frame even it there is a 'slant' on the frame where you have used a hook or nail - put a pad at each corner of the lower part of corners of the frame - let the air circulate all around the back of the frame/picture.
... pop into poundland and buy the variety pack of pads (normally brown, green or beige) that you put on the bottom of the legs of furniture to stop them scratching ...
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jusdeep
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ahh p**sed off, by jusdeep on Dec 23, 2014 23:57:01 GMT 1, I've had this problem in a few Victorian properties I've lived in over the years, but usually on the backs of frames when hung on an outside, cold wall. I've tried pads and giving adequate ventilation but for external walls this never worked. I've also tried spraying the back of frames with various mould sprays and watered down bleach solutions - again this only prolonged the onslaught. Pretty much when a porous material has mould it's very hard to get rid of. Better to reframe and move the print somewhere else, (preferably an internal wall).
Best advice is to buy a dehumidifier and monitor the humidity of rooms, you would be amazed at the amount of water these things suck up on a daily basis. I've been realatively lucky and avoided any damage to artwork but have had to replace backings and mounts in the past.
As Dappy has said above there are many very good sites you can check for helpful tips to reduce mould forming. Also be careful you treat mould properly and don't spread or inhale spores otherwise you may be at risk of spreading the problem to other areas of the house. Don't cross contaminate.
forbiddenlove: it sounds as if your tube may have gotten damp at some stage, they suck up residual moisture from the atmosphere and maybe with changes in temperature mould has developed. It sucks, but I'm sure insurance or a good restorer will sort the problem.
I've had this problem in a few Victorian properties I've lived in over the years, but usually on the backs of frames when hung on an outside, cold wall. I've tried pads and giving adequate ventilation but for external walls this never worked. I've also tried spraying the back of frames with various mould sprays and watered down bleach solutions - again this only prolonged the onslaught. Pretty much when a porous material has mould it's very hard to get rid of. Better to reframe and move the print somewhere else, (preferably an internal wall).
Best advice is to buy a dehumidifier and monitor the humidity of rooms, you would be amazed at the amount of water these things suck up on a daily basis. I've been realatively lucky and avoided any damage to artwork but have had to replace backings and mounts in the past.
As Dappy has said above there are many very good sites you can check for helpful tips to reduce mould forming. Also be careful you treat mould properly and don't spread or inhale spores otherwise you may be at risk of spreading the problem to other areas of the house. Don't cross contaminate.
forbiddenlove: it sounds as if your tube may have gotten damp at some stage, they suck up residual moisture from the atmosphere and maybe with changes in temperature mould has developed. It sucks, but I'm sure insurance or a good restorer will sort the problem.
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jantalb
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ahh p**sed off, by jantalb on Dec 24, 2014 0:51:07 GMT 1, With all these modern day housebuilding rules homes are for some reason basicly hermeticly sealed ( which is NOT a good thing). I will always keep a door or window open from time to time for fresh air/circulation of air. Many people think a closed environment is a good thing, but they couldnt be more wrong
With all these modern day housebuilding rules homes are for some reason basicly hermeticly sealed ( which is NOT a good thing). I will always keep a door or window open from time to time for fresh air/circulation of air. Many people think a closed environment is a good thing, but they couldnt be more wrong
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SW20
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ahh p**sed off, by SW20 on Dec 24, 2014 6:34:50 GMT 1, I have dehumidifier and you would be surprised how much water it collects. You just need to put it on at random times and it pretty much ensures that the problem is solved. Loads of rain plus heating on etc
However as per Dappy n Jantalb good air circulation is the key but if you have dehumidifier it's great when you don't have the circulation or want to open windows etc.
I have dehumidifier and you would be surprised how much water it collects. You just need to put it on at random times and it pretty much ensures that the problem is solved. Loads of rain plus heating on etc
However as per Dappy n Jantalb good air circulation is the key but if you have dehumidifier it's great when you don't have the circulation or want to open windows etc.
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ahh p**sed off, by iamzero on Dec 24, 2014 9:52:02 GMT 1, I lose around 2 litres of water a day with the evaporation from my fish tank. I have 3 pictures float mounted in the same room and they're flat as anything so can't imagine why damp washing would make picture ripple so much?
I lose around 2 litres of water a day with the evaporation from my fish tank. I have 3 pictures float mounted in the same room and they're flat as anything so can't imagine why damp washing would make picture ripple so much?
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Forbidden Love
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ahh p**sed off, by Forbidden Love on Dec 24, 2014 10:05:19 GMT 1, Just to update the print is now getting restored. We shall see what happens.
Jusdeep it happened when I had loads of family over and they insistently asked for the heating constantly on at 10000 degrees. That was deff a change in room temperature and remember it happening around this time.
Just to update the print is now getting restored. We shall see what happens.
Jusdeep it happened when I had loads of family over and they insistently asked for the heating constantly on at 10000 degrees. That was deff a change in room temperature and remember it happening around this time.
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jusdeep
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ahh p**sed off, by jusdeep on Dec 24, 2014 10:24:40 GMT 1, I lose around 2 litres of water a day with the evaporation from my fish tank. I have 3 pictures float mounted in the same room and they're flat as anything so can't imagine why damp washing would make picture ripple so much? Maybe you are just lucky. It's not just damp washing though, there are many factors. Showers, baths, your breath, cold air meeting warm in the atmosphere, boiling kettles, cooking food on the stove, central heating to name a few off the top of my head. Humidity makes paper ripple as it is pourous, paper is wood, it has movement so it expands, contracts and takes in moisture. This is why good conservation framing helps, it means a print is allowed to move around with temerature/humidity changes. In the winter the print may be rippled, in the summer flat and is one reason dry mounting is a bad thing as the paper is stuck fast.
I lose around 2 litres of water a day with the evaporation from my fish tank. I have 3 pictures float mounted in the same room and they're flat as anything so can't imagine why damp washing would make picture ripple so much? Maybe you are just lucky. It's not just damp washing though, there are many factors. Showers, baths, your breath, cold air meeting warm in the atmosphere, boiling kettles, cooking food on the stove, central heating to name a few off the top of my head. Humidity makes paper ripple as it is pourous, paper is wood, it has movement so it expands, contracts and takes in moisture. This is why good conservation framing helps, it means a print is allowed to move around with temerature/humidity changes. In the winter the print may be rippled, in the summer flat and is one reason dry mounting is a bad thing as the paper is stuck fast.
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