Unica
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Unica on Jul 2, 2014 17:27:29 GMT 1, Ok the results are in from Bonhams, the 2 canvases from the Central Park stand brought in ยฃ126k. Not bad for an outlay of about ยฃ100.
Also the 2003 Heavy Weaponry from an edition of 25 brought in a very healthy ยฃ52k.
Does anyone know if VAT and ARR are added on top of the hammer price.
ยฃ68k for the Kids on guns. ยฃ58k for the Winnie the Pooh. ยฃ52k for the Heavy Weaponry
www.bonhams.com/auctions/21829/lot/12/ www.bonhams.com/auctions/21829/lot/13/ www.bonhams.com/auctions/21829/lot/52/
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Winter
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Winter on Jul 2, 2014 17:46:01 GMT 1, The JR piece did well, estimate ยฃ18-25k, went for ยฃ40k
The JR piece did well, estimate ยฃ18-25k, went for ยฃ40k
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:23:22 GMT 1, Anyone know what the Parla made, it was sensational
Anyone know what the Parla made, it was sensational
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jB
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by jB on Jul 2, 2014 18:31:09 GMT 1, The JR piece did well, estimate ยฃ18-25k, went for ยฃ40k As did Johnathan Yeo with his Dennis Hopper study, which also sold for 40k GBP
The JR piece did well, estimate ยฃ18-25k, went for ยฃ40k As did Johnathan Yeo with his Dennis Hopper study, which also sold for 40k GBP
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:33:14 GMT 1, Anyone know what the Parla made, it was sensational I do not think there was a Parla in this auction.
There was my friend I saw it this afternoon and it was stunning
Anyone know what the Parla made, it was sensational I do not think there was a Parla in this auction. There was my friend I saw it this afternoon and it was stunning
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lee3
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by lee3 on Jul 2, 2014 18:37:58 GMT 1, The Parla was bought in with Faile and a pair of Fairey's. The sale was worse than dreadful. I thought Bonhams was turning the corner after the first pair of lots and then the wheels came off. I'm frankly surprised they sold that Kapoor (or rather it sold itself) after a similar one was bought in at the primary houses this week (with yet another due up in the next hour at phillips). Bonhams has always been the house to make a savvy purchase from imo and this sale was just more of the same. The Haring fared poorly too as did most everything. Oh yeah and I was stunned to see that gorgeous Villegle at lot 4 (perfect vintage in '59) go unsold too (I thought that had a chance to do $100k so shows you what I know). I believe a lot of those consignors would have done much better elsewhere.
The Parla was bought in with Faile and a pair of Fairey's. The sale was worse than dreadful. I thought Bonhams was turning the corner after the first pair of lots and then the wheels came off. I'm frankly surprised they sold that Kapoor (or rather it sold itself) after a similar one was bought in at the primary houses this week (with yet another due up in the next hour at phillips). Bonhams has always been the house to make a savvy purchase from imo and this sale was just more of the same. The Haring fared poorly too as did most everything. Oh yeah and I was stunned to see that gorgeous Villegle at lot 4 (perfect vintage in '59) go unsold too (I thought that had a chance to do $100k so shows you what I know). I believe a lot of those consignors would have done much better elsewhere.
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oneeye
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by oneeye on Jul 2, 2014 18:42:21 GMT 1, Yeo has been doing very well at auction lately. Nice to see him evolve past the urban art scene. After all, he's a great painter.
Yeo has been doing very well at auction lately. Nice to see him evolve past the urban art scene. After all, he's a great painter.
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:42:32 GMT 1, The Parla was bought in with Faile and a pair of Fairey's. The sale was worse than dreadful. I thought Bonhams was turning the corner after the first pair of lots and then the wheels came off. I'm frankly surprised they sold that Kapoor (or rather it sold itself) after a similar one was bought in at the primary houses this week (with yet another due up in the next hour at phillips). Bonhams has always been the house to make a savvy purchase from imo and this sale was just more of the same. The Haring fared poorly too as did most everything. ย Oh yeah and I was stunned to see that gorgeous Villegle at lot 4 (perfect vintage in '59) go unsold too (I thought that had a chance to do $100k so shows you what I know). ย I believe a lot of those consignors would have done much better elsewhere.ย
Excuse my ignorance but what does 'bought in' mean? Thx
The Parla was bought in with Faile and a pair of Fairey's. The sale was worse than dreadful. I thought Bonhams was turning the corner after the first pair of lots and then the wheels came off. I'm frankly surprised they sold that Kapoor (or rather it sold itself) after a similar one was bought in at the primary houses this week (with yet another due up in the next hour at phillips). Bonhams has always been the house to make a savvy purchase from imo and this sale was just more of the same. The Haring fared poorly too as did most everything. ย Oh yeah and I was stunned to see that gorgeous Villegle at lot 4 (perfect vintage in '59) go unsold too (I thought that had a chance to do $100k so shows you what I know). ย I believe a lot of those consignors would have done much better elsewhere.ย Excuse my ignorance but what does 'bought in' mean? Thx
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January 1970
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 19:05:19 GMT 1, Kids on Guns was a very good buy for someone.
Kids on Guns was a very good buy for someone.
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January 1970
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 19:19:20 GMT 1, Cheap as a fkin beep!. Everyone asleep in London town or what?.
Good buyers sale.
Cheap as a fkin beep!. Everyone asleep in London town or what?.
Good buyers sale.
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January 1970
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 19:24:09 GMT 1, Anyone know what the Parla made, it was sensational www.bonhams.com/auctions/21829/lot/49/
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 19:30:13 GMT 1, King of the Squiggles.
King of the Squiggles.
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Unica
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Unica on Jul 2, 2014 19:43:39 GMT 1, I can't understand why one auction house would do better for the seller than another. As a buyer I don't think I would pay more because one auction house had the piece, since i'm buying the art and following the purchase who cares where it came from. Can someone explain why Bonhams can't match the prices that the other two houses would get.
Also does "bought in" then mean it wasn't bough at all?
Last question does the buyer have to add VAT and ARR to the amount listed at the selling price?
I can't understand why one auction house would do better for the seller than another. As a buyer I don't think I would pay more because one auction house had the piece, since i'm buying the art and following the purchase who cares where it came from. Can someone explain why Bonhams can't match the prices that the other two houses would get.
Also does "bought in" then mean it wasn't bough at all?
Last question does the buyer have to add VAT and ARR to the amount listed at the selling price?
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Harveyn
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Harveyn on Jul 2, 2014 19:48:52 GMT 1, Was the Shep "Big Brother" bought in? I do like that work.
Was the Shep "Big Brother" bought in? I do like that work.
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Shoot Again
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Shoot Again on Jul 2, 2014 19:49:40 GMT 1, I can't understand why one auction house would do better for the seller than another. As a buyer I don't think I would pay more because one auction house had the piece, since i'm buying the art and following the purchase who cares where it came from. Can someone explain why Bonhams can't match the prices that the other two houses would get. Also does "bought in" then mean it wasn't bough at all? Last question does the buyer have to add VAT and ARR to the amount listed at the selling price? Simply because they don't have the same clients !
I can't understand why one auction house would do better for the seller than another. As a buyer I don't think I would pay more because one auction house had the piece, since i'm buying the art and following the purchase who cares where it came from. Can someone explain why Bonhams can't match the prices that the other two houses would get. Also does "bought in" then mean it wasn't bough at all? Last question does the buyer have to add VAT and ARR to the amount listed at the selling price? Simply because they don't have the same clients !
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lee3
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by lee3 on Jul 2, 2014 20:01:43 GMT 1, I can't understand why one auction house would do better for the seller than another. As a buyer I don't think I would pay more because one auction house had the piece, since i'm buying the art and following the purchase who cares where it came from. Can someone explain why Bonhams can't match the prices that the other two houses would get. Also does "bought in" then mean it wasn't bough at all? Last question does the buyer have to add VAT and ARR to the amount listed at the selling price? Bought in= unsold. Yes, european buyers add VAT to hammer. ARR is applicable if a UK artist. As for the top question, these houses have their own clientele. I think it's very clear to anyone whose been following the auctions that Christie's has leaped ahead of Sotheby's (as opposed to trading blows) since the Loeb/board of directors public feud began and the release of Meyer. There are buyers who will only buy from Christie's and many refuse to move on down the line. It's why Phillips used to the be the up and comer house and Bonhams has always played a distant 4th, at least to my eyes. Behind them is everyone else who most of the market chooses to ignore (Dreweatts, etc). I'm not trying to come across as crass but rather calling a spade a spade as I see it.
Even this Phillips sale is quite heavy this afternoon despite a very strong collection of work. Tauba going for $500k for a work of that scale and quality is low when compared to what similar works are bringing in at the primary houses (Christie's and Sotheby's). Same is true of smith and ruby in this sale on a comparison basis. On the other hand, a VERY strong result for Kassay in this sale vs. other recent silver gelatin works under the hammer which will raise some eyebrows.
Bottom line is that really rich people aren't going to every auction; they are picking their faves. Given the results Christie's has been achieving as of late at everyone else's expense, it seems obvious to me to suggest they are lining up at Christie's and ignoring much of the rest. There are always exceptions in every sale but I don't believe it's much of a stretch to suggest consignors (on average) for many of the works today at Bonhams and Phillips would have done better earlier this week at the primary houses where there simply are a higher concentration of eyeballs with larger wallets. I have no affiliation with any of the houses and just calling it as i see it, feel free to disagree.
I can't understand why one auction house would do better for the seller than another. As a buyer I don't think I would pay more because one auction house had the piece, since i'm buying the art and following the purchase who cares where it came from. Can someone explain why Bonhams can't match the prices that the other two houses would get. Also does "bought in" then mean it wasn't bough at all? Last question does the buyer have to add VAT and ARR to the amount listed at the selling price? Bought in= unsold. Yes, european buyers add VAT to hammer. ARR is applicable if a UK artist. As for the top question, these houses have their own clientele. I think it's very clear to anyone whose been following the auctions that Christie's has leaped ahead of Sotheby's (as opposed to trading blows) since the Loeb/board of directors public feud began and the release of Meyer. There are buyers who will only buy from Christie's and many refuse to move on down the line. It's why Phillips used to the be the up and comer house and Bonhams has always played a distant 4th, at least to my eyes. Behind them is everyone else who most of the market chooses to ignore (Dreweatts, etc). I'm not trying to come across as crass but rather calling a spade a spade as I see it. Even this Phillips sale is quite heavy this afternoon despite a very strong collection of work. Tauba going for $500k for a work of that scale and quality is low when compared to what similar works are bringing in at the primary houses (Christie's and Sotheby's). Same is true of smith and ruby in this sale on a comparison basis. On the other hand, a VERY strong result for Kassay in this sale vs. other recent silver gelatin works under the hammer which will raise some eyebrows. Bottom line is that really rich people aren't going to every auction; they are picking their faves. Given the results Christie's has been achieving as of late at everyone else's expense, it seems obvious to me to suggest they are lining up at Christie's and ignoring much of the rest. There are always exceptions in every sale but I don't believe it's much of a stretch to suggest consignors (on average) for many of the works today at Bonhams and Phillips would have done better earlier this week at the primary houses where there simply are a higher concentration of eyeballs with larger wallets. I have no affiliation with any of the houses and just calling it as i see it, feel free to disagree.
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Unica
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November 2013
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Unica on Jul 2, 2014 20:05:26 GMT 1, Thanks for the explanation, seem like if i'm in the market for a nice Banksy i'll go to Bonhams. If I'm selling then Christies. Simple.
Thanks for the explanation, seem like if i'm in the market for a nice Banksy i'll go to Bonhams. If I'm selling then Christies. Simple.
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 20:07:55 GMT 1, Always look at the others though, including Dreweatts, you never know what you will find and it costs nothing to look.
Always look at the others though, including Dreweatts, you never know what you will find and it costs nothing to look.
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lee3
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by lee3 on Jul 2, 2014 20:16:21 GMT 1, Thanks for the explanation, seem like if i'm in the market for a nice Banksy i'll go to Bonhams. If I'm selling then Christies. Simple. I wish it were that simple but to be honest, that equation would work very well in your favor for the past 6 or 7 years just looking at results which is not to suggest there aren't both strong and poor results everywhere. But in general or on average, i agree with your logic and hindsight always seems to kick me in the rear at this point seemingly every year.
I was given sage advice by folks wiser than me to never read too much into any auction season let alone any one result but your general assessment has been the voice in my head for ages now. However, I've chosen not to play the buy from lower tier houses and sell at primary game, but many make plenty of money doing just that. I'm have never been good at flipping anything so choose to just buy for the wall ride the wave over the long term.
Thanks for the explanation, seem like if i'm in the market for a nice Banksy i'll go to Bonhams. If I'm selling then Christies. Simple. I wish it were that simple but to be honest, that equation would work very well in your favor for the past 6 or 7 years just looking at results which is not to suggest there aren't both strong and poor results everywhere. But in general or on average, i agree with your logic and hindsight always seems to kick me in the rear at this point seemingly every year. I was given sage advice by folks wiser than me to never read too much into any auction season let alone any one result but your general assessment has been the voice in my head for ages now. However, I've chosen not to play the buy from lower tier houses and sell at primary game, but many make plenty of money doing just that. I'm have never been good at flipping anything so choose to just buy for the wall ride the wave over the long term.
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Harveyn
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Harveyn on Jul 2, 2014 20:23:34 GMT 1, Was the Shep "Big Brother" bought in? I do like that work. Yes it was, one of his stronger images imo. Anybody on here own this one?
Was the Shep "Big Brother" bought in? I do like that work. Yes it was, one of his stronger images imo. Anybody on here own this one?
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doctor
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by doctor on Jul 2, 2014 20:33:22 GMT 1, Prices seem quite cheap in comparison to recent sales of say, CYW.
Prices seem quite cheap in comparison to recent sales of say, CYW.
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Unica
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Unica on Jul 2, 2014 20:33:28 GMT 1, Tomorrow we have a few Banksy pieces at the Phillips auction, a barcode canvas, which is in questionable condition and a witty quote on a piece of board.
Tomorrow we have a few Banksy pieces at the Phillips auction, a barcode canvas, which is in questionable condition and a witty quote on a piece of board.
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Banksy canvas Auction results from Bonhams 2 July 2014, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 2, 2014 22:02:58 GMT 1,
Love this piece..Any recent prices on his watercolour also? They dropping?
Love this piece..Any recent prices on his watercolour also? They dropping?
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