cerulean
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by cerulean on Aug 1, 2014 15:59:08 GMT 1, I recently purchased Fairey's Vivi La Revolucion print in an auction on Ebay from a seller who previously had it professionally framed. The print was listed as "mint condition". I specifically asked if there was any adhesive residue etc when it was removed from the frame and was told it was in perfect condition.
When I received it, I discovered residue on the back of the print from where the tape was removed. The marks are all along the entire back edge and three vertical lines that run the length of the print. I was assured that the framer had used acid free tape. The front of the print is fine.
My question is how much does this affect the value of the print? I have the option of either returning the print or working out a discount. Any thoughts on what percentage would be fair?
I recently purchased Fairey's Vivi La Revolucion print in an auction on Ebay from a seller who previously had it professionally framed. The print was listed as "mint condition". I specifically asked if there was any adhesive residue etc when it was removed from the frame and was told it was in perfect condition.
When I received it, I discovered residue on the back of the print from where the tape was removed. The marks are all along the entire back edge and three vertical lines that run the length of the print. I was assured that the framer had used acid free tape. The front of the print is fine.
My question is how much does this affect the value of the print? I have the option of either returning the print or working out a discount. Any thoughts on what percentage would be fair?
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johnnyh
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by johnnyh on Aug 1, 2014 16:12:35 GMT 1, This is an opinion and just that. Doubt seller will give you much but eBay does have it's rules etc. I personally think about 20% max but that's not based on anything other than my opinion. Also not having seen damage etc
But think for you discount yes if it happens. But work out now rather than in a dispute setting. If he/ she says no. Do you want the print. Eg it sounds as if it's fine as you see it which is great. It will only have an effect when you come to sell it.....that is when the damage will hit you in that you have a slightly damaged print. You could see a restorer and find out if they can do anything. Or do you just want to give it back and get rid.
Based on these two what percentage do you need to keep it as that's your baseline
This is an opinion and just that. Doubt seller will give you much but eBay does have it's rules etc. I personally think about 20% max but that's not based on anything other than my opinion. Also not having seen damage etc
But think for you discount yes if it happens. But work out now rather than in a dispute setting. If he/ she says no. Do you want the print. Eg it sounds as if it's fine as you see it which is great. It will only have an effect when you come to sell it.....that is when the damage will hit you in that you have a slightly damaged print. You could see a restorer and find out if they can do anything. Or do you just want to give it back and get rid.
Based on these two what percentage do you need to keep it as that's your baseline
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 16:20:44 GMT 1, I can see 2 possible outcomes long term. I have seen both of these on older prints.
Acid free tape. Over time the paper patinates with sun exposure, humidity, etc. The acid free tape residue will slow that and create whiter spots in the front in maybe 20 years time.
Non acid free tape. Over the same period (20 years or more) the impurities in the residue can possibly stain the front. Again conditions mean a lot such as humidity.
Best to get a pro to remove it now.
Edit: you can see the "ghosting" effect of acid free tape verso on an old Claes Oldenburg print of mine from 1976. Not the lighter squares along the left edge and at the middle bottom. 
I can see 2 possible outcomes long term. I have seen both of these on older prints.
Acid free tape. Over time the paper patinates with sun exposure, humidity, etc. The acid free tape residue will slow that and create whiter spots in the front in maybe 20 years time.
Non acid free tape. Over the same period (20 years or more) the impurities in the residue can possibly stain the front. Again conditions mean a lot such as humidity.
Best to get a pro to remove it now.
Edit: you can see the "ghosting" effect of acid free tape verso on an old Claes Oldenburg print of mine from 1976. Not the lighter squares along the left edge and at the middle bottom.
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 16:23:02 GMT 1, If you're brave and it is indeed acid free, just moisten your finger with water and brush over the residue, let it sit a second and wipe off with clean cloth, it is just basically wheat paste and should come right off.
Edit: This may be a quick test to determine if it is acid free. But to do all of the edges will result in some moisture soaking the print and it will wrinkle up. I have only done it with very small amounts of residue from a pair of acid free hinge mounts when I reframed something.
If you're brave and it is indeed acid free, just moisten your finger with water and brush over the residue, let it sit a second and wipe off with clean cloth, it is just basically wheat paste and should come right off.
Edit: This may be a quick test to determine if it is acid free. But to do all of the edges will result in some moisture soaking the print and it will wrinkle up. I have only done it with very small amounts of residue from a pair of acid free hinge mounts when I reframed something.
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curiousgeorge
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by curiousgeorge on Aug 1, 2014 16:42:52 GMT 1, I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print
I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print
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nacional
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by nacional on Aug 1, 2014 17:42:28 GMT 1, I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent.
What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea.
I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc...
I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent.
What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea.
I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc...
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iamzero
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by iamzero on Aug 1, 2014 18:17:45 GMT 1, Zest it is great and you can clean your cooker with it! Had a little panic when I first used it and the paper darkened a little but that evaporated to leaving no marks.
Zest it is great and you can clean your cooker with it! Had a little panic when I first used it and the paper darkened a little but that evaporated to leaving no marks.
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 18:40:59 GMT 1, I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent. What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea. I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc...
LOL. Sad that, you never see em up walls.
Though I reckon if the framer looks nervous when you mention value your prob in the wrong place.
I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent. What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea. I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc... LOL. Sad that, you never see em up walls. Though I reckon if the framer looks nervous when you mention value your prob in the wrong place. |
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Nick
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Nick on Aug 1, 2014 19:02:46 GMT 1, I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent. What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea. I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc...
Use Mylar mounting strips. Zero adhesive. The strip will be stuck to the backing board, the print sits snug within the mylar strip and the mount or mat will cover the strip!
Probably a bad explanation but it means everything is archival and no glue/tape/starch on the print.
I wouldnt use anything else unless its deckled and needs to be floated.
Hope that means a banksy or two can get on the wall!
www.amazon.co.uk/Archival-Mylar-See-through-Mounting-Strips/dp/B005NYG2WI
www.dickblick.com/products/lineco-see-thru-mounting-strips/
I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent. What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea. I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc... You are wrong in thinking that. Use Mylar mounting strips. Zero adhesive. The strip will be stuck to the backing board, the print sits snug within the mylar strip and the mount or mat will cover the strip! Probably a bad explanation but it means everything is archival and no glue/tape/starch on the print. I wouldnt use anything else unless its deckled and needs to be floated. Hope that means a banksy or two can get on the wall! www.amazon.co.uk/Archival-Mylar-See-through-Mounting-Strips/dp/B005NYG2WIwww.dickblick.com/products/lineco-see-thru-mounting-strips/ |
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Chrisp
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Chrisp on Aug 1, 2014 20:00:09 GMT 1, I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print
I have used this, pretty good stuff. Just take your time and brush it on bit at a time .... Wait peel back and repeat.
I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print I have used this, pretty good stuff. Just take your time and brush it on bit at a time .... Wait peel back and repeat. |
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nacional
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by nacional on Aug 1, 2014 20:34:35 GMT 1, Thanks for the heads-up Nickh87.....will give it a go....problem is I live in S America and here framing is pretty basic and usually involves the kind of glue I used to sniff when I was 15 years old....
Thanks for the heads-up Nickh87.....will give it a go....problem is I live in S America and here framing is pretty basic and usually involves the kind of glue I used to sniff when I was 15 years old....
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curiousgeorge
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by curiousgeorge on Aug 1, 2014 20:49:05 GMT 1, Thanks for the heads-up Nickh87.....will give it a go....problem is I live in S America and here framing is pretty basic and usually involves the kind of glue I used to sniff when I was 15 years old.... Do you have any decent museums within travelling distance? I've always found the in-house framers and conservators more than happy to spend HOURS chatting,helping and advising
Thanks for the heads-up Nickh87.....will give it a go....problem is I live in S America and here framing is pretty basic and usually involves the kind of glue I used to sniff when I was 15 years old.... Do you have any decent museums within travelling distance? I've always found the in-house framers and conservators more than happy to spend HOURS chatting,helping and advising |
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Aug 1, 2014 21:07:12 GMT 1, I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print
I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print Hi, tried googling zest-it, and there are a number of products available - which one works best for removing tape residue? Thanks. |
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curiousgeorge
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by curiousgeorge on Aug 1, 2014 21:32:02 GMT 1, I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print Hi, tried googling zest-it, and there are a number of products available - which one works best for removing tape residue? Thanks. 
www.framersequipment.co.uk/conservation.htm
I've used a product called zest-it to remove residue before(on a cheap print) This was in 3 small areas too, not along the entire print Hi, tried googling zest-it, and there are a number of products available - which one works best for removing tape residue? Thanks. Here you go petal.Sorry it's not a direct link, you will have to scroll down a tiny bit www.framersequipment.co.uk/conservation.htm |
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cerulean
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by cerulean on Aug 1, 2014 21:39:50 GMT 1, Thank you everyone!!! I'm relatively new to the forum and very much appreciate all your help! I may decide to return this print and wait to get one in mint condition. All of your info is very helpful as I do have several other prints that I am planning on framing and want to make sure they're done properly. Sounds like Mylar strips are the best way to go.
Thank you everyone!!! I'm relatively new to the forum and very much appreciate all your help! I may decide to return this print and wait to get one in mint condition. All of your info is very helpful as I do have several other prints that I am planning on framing and want to make sure they're done properly. Sounds like Mylar strips are the best way to go.
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cerulean
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by cerulean on Aug 1, 2014 21:42:16 GMT 1, I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent. What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea. I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc... You are wrong in thinking that. Use Mylar mounting strips. Zero adhesive. The strip will be stuck to the backing board, the print sits snug within the mylar strip and the mount or mat will cover the strip! Probably a bad explanation but it means everything is archival and no glue/tape/starch on the print. I wouldnt use anything else unless its deckled and needs to be floated. Hope that means a banksy or two can get on the wall! www.amazon.co.uk/Archival-Mylar-See-through-Mounting-Strips/dp/B005NYG2WIwww.dickblick.com/products/lineco-see-thru-mounting-strips/
I think I am right in saying ALL framing processes will damage a print, albiet to a lesser extent. What this means when you have a Banksy print worth 10K, I have no idea. I have taken a couple of my B prints to be framed, but have bottled out when the framer looks to be terrified when I mention value of prints...so, they sit stupidly in the folder between sheets of tissue paper etc... You are wrong in thinking that. Use Mylar mounting strips. Zero adhesive. The strip will be stuck to the backing board, the print sits snug within the mylar strip and the mount or mat will cover the strip! Probably a bad explanation but it means everything is archival and no glue/tape/starch on the print. I wouldnt use anything else unless its deckled and needs to be floated. Hope that means a banksy or two can get on the wall! www.amazon.co.uk/Archival-Mylar-See-through-Mounting-Strips/dp/B005NYG2WIwww.dickblick.com/products/lineco-see-thru-mounting-strips/I've used mylar strips on smaller prints. How are they for securing larger prints 18X24 and even 24X36? |
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Nick
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by Nick on Aug 1, 2014 22:13:35 GMT 1, They work perfectly on bigger sizes. Ive used them on prints upto 110cm x 70 cm and all good.
You need to make sure they are placed correctly so theres no room for the print to slip around and they will definitely hold.
They're 4" long so on the bigger prints i will use maybe 3 evenly spread on the top and 3 on the bottom. You can also buy 10" or 12 " ones i beleive for even more support.
Don't get these confused with the mylar corners, they're only good for small sizes and tend to be pretty flimsy as theres no real base support to counteract gravity!
They work perfectly on bigger sizes. Ive used them on prints upto 110cm x 70 cm and all good.
You need to make sure they are placed correctly so theres no room for the print to slip around and they will definitely hold.
They're 4" long so on the bigger prints i will use maybe 3 evenly spread on the top and 3 on the bottom. You can also buy 10" or 12 " ones i beleive for even more support.
Don't get these confused with the mylar corners, they're only good for small sizes and tend to be pretty flimsy as theres no real base support to counteract gravity!
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alittle
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TAPE RESIDUE ON PRINT, by alittle on Aug 1, 2014 22:21:04 GMT 1, I use mylar photocorners to mount anything with a mat. My preferred method of framing and will not cause damage upon removal. I have used on prints up to 25x30 inches, although I don't see why they wouldn't work on larger prints as well.
I use mylar photocorners to mount anything with a mat. My preferred method of framing and will not cause damage upon removal. I have used on prints up to 25x30 inches, although I don't see why they wouldn't work on larger prints as well.
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