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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by sake on Aug 18, 2014 9:39:34 GMT 1, Anyone else thinking that the cop looks like Schmidt from New Girl?
Anyone else thinking that the cop looks like Schmidt from New Girl?
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 9:39:45 GMT 1, Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world
If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet.
I mingled on the street and fuck me that's a lot more hurtful than my bullshittt words on a prissy forum.
Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world
If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet.
I mingled on the street and fuck me that's a lot more hurtful than my bullshittt words on a prissy forum.
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by overend on Aug 18, 2014 9:46:39 GMT 1, Is this a pop at the police in Iran or their adopted country? Is it important ? What does this question mean ? A bit Weird ( Maybe not, I don't know you ) .. Everybody can see that it is an American cop.
I like Wiz's take on it that it's just good cop bad cop. If as you say it's more country specific I would like to know more about the beef before I buy into the image. Are they getting a hard time from the police due to being granted asylum or is it street art related or something else? I don't know enough about these guys or the police in the USA to hazard a guess. Sometimes a simple stencil isn't the best way to get your message across.
Is this a pop at the police in Iran or their adopted country? Is it important ? What does this question mean ? A bit Weird ( Maybe not, I don't know you ) .. Everybody can see that it is an American cop. I like Wiz's take on it that it's just good cop bad cop. If as you say it's more country specific I would like to know more about the beef before I buy into the image. Are they getting a hard time from the police due to being granted asylum or is it street art related or something else? I don't know enough about these guys or the police in the USA to hazard a guess. Sometimes a simple stencil isn't the best way to get your message across. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 9:55:32 GMT 1, You're such a cock sometimes. Come down from that high horse of yours and mingle a little because you know f**k all about those boys. Their intent, like everyone's, is to survive best they can, using the skills they have, and in New York working as an artist, that entails trying to sell your work. Agree with your point of view but is there always a need to get personal and insulting? Not that much on the forum these days but whenever I see you posting it's you having a go at someone who is not in line with your opinion..wondering myself who's up on a high horse!?
You're such a cock sometimes. Come down from that high horse of yours and mingle a little because you know f**k all about those boys. Their intent, like everyone's, is to survive best they can, using the skills they have, and in New York working as an artist, that entails trying to sell your work. Agree with your point of view but is there always a need to get personal and insulting? Not that much on the forum these days but whenever I see you posting it's you having a go at someone who is not in line with your opinion..wondering myself who's up on a high horse!? Speaking of tired imagery.. anyway it's Monday, shut up |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 10:01:25 GMT 1, Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum.
Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum. Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by raindogs on Aug 18, 2014 10:10:15 GMT 1, Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum.
Please let me know a not tired image you have seen in the last months..
Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum. Please let me know a not tired image you have seen in the last months.. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Dr Plip on Aug 18, 2014 10:12:32 GMT 1, Activism, protest and "street art" (whatever the fuck that is these days?) should go hand in hand. In my opinion, it gets a little .......odd(?) when you take an image that could be construed as a form of protest or activism/criticism and then market it as a limited edition print at the cost of, say... $300 to just 50 people?
I think we'd all prefer to see those kind of images on the streets and making a difference in the minds of the everyday person rather than as an archival framed artwork on someone's dining room wall or (Satan forbid) in a flat file.
I mean, the image is out there, so that's a good thing. And artists need to eat as much as the rest of us. If your raison d'etre is protest art or making statements about injustice in society, then your money making products will probably borrow from that stable of work.
Hang on. I've just lost my point? I have no idea where I was going with this. No, no. It's gone.
F**cking Monday.
Activism, protest and "street art" (whatever the fuck that is these days?) should go hand in hand. In my opinion, it gets a little .......odd(?) when you take an image that could be construed as a form of protest or activism/criticism and then market it as a limited edition print at the cost of, say... $300 to just 50 people?
I think we'd all prefer to see those kind of images on the streets and making a difference in the minds of the everyday person rather than as an archival framed artwork on someone's dining room wall or (Satan forbid) in a flat file.
I mean, the image is out there, so that's a good thing. And artists need to eat as much as the rest of us. If your raison d'etre is protest art or making statements about injustice in society, then your money making products will probably borrow from that stable of work.
Hang on. I've just lost my point? I have no idea where I was going with this. No, no. It's gone.
F**cking Monday.
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by kunstrasen on Aug 18, 2014 10:14:59 GMT 1, Agree with your point of view but is there always a need to get personal and insulting? Not that much on the forum these days but whenever I see you posting it's you having a go at someone who is not in line with your opinion..wondering myself who's up on a high horse!? Speaking of tired imagery.. anyway it's Monday, shut up
Agree with your point of view but is there always a need to get personal and insulting? Not that much on the forum these days but whenever I see you posting it's you having a go at someone who is not in line with your opinion..wondering myself who's up on a high horse!? Speaking of tired imagery.. anyway it's Monday, shut up Another great, qualified and gentle post by you...keep on impressing me please. Are you still the same guy from years back or are other people using that account now as well? |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 10:15:16 GMT 1, Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum. Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery.
1. I'm not your mate
2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic
3. I'm not your mate
4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so fucking crass and counter productive
5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening?
Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum. Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. 1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so fucking crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening? |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by kunstrasen on Aug 18, 2014 10:23:15 GMT 1, Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery.
Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. ...oh yeah, a grim looking copper shadow really goes deep into that issue. Expressing all the sadness of these events happening. And surely they came up with this image to point out these horrible events. Thinking about it...one could argue that they are cashing in on the image at the most tasteless point possible. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by hunter on Aug 18, 2014 11:24:28 GMT 1, Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum. Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery.
Let's be frank here it's a tired tired tired image that could've been done by anyone of a number of weak urban artists in the last 10 years... But hey if a gallery stands up for you, all's right in the world If this encapsulates their survival skills I fear for their forthcoming diet. I mingled on the street and f**k me that's a lot more hurtful than my bulls**ttt words on a prissy forum. Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. Would say its been done a few times. www.flickr.com/photos/zoharma/348129084/ |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 11:31:14 GMT 1, Activism, protest and "street art" (whatever the f**k that is these days?) should go hand in hand. In my opinion, it gets a little .......odd(?) when you take an image that could be construed as a form of protest or activism/criticism and then market it as a limited edition print at the cost of, say... $300 to just 50 people? I think we'd all prefer to see those kind of images on the streets and making a difference in the minds of the everyday person rather than as an archival framed artwork on someone's dining room wall or (Satan forbid) in a flat file. I mean, the image is out there, so that's a good thing. And artists need to eat as much as the rest of us. If your raison d'etre is protest art or making statements about injustice in society, then your money making products will probably borrow from that stable of work. Hang on. I've just lost my point? I have no idea where I was going with this. No, no. It's gone. F**cking Monday.
You've nicely summed up the struggle in this area ... Id say the most pertinent underlying points to anyone wanting to make a point should be :
1. Have something worth saying and say it well
2. Do not be seen to make profit from serious issues at the very time they are happening, unless it directly helps with the struggle and is a good point (see point 1).
This is all obviously hugely subjective.
Activism, protest and "street art" (whatever the f**k that is these days?) should go hand in hand. In my opinion, it gets a little .......odd(?) when you take an image that could be construed as a form of protest or activism/criticism and then market it as a limited edition print at the cost of, say... $300 to just 50 people? I think we'd all prefer to see those kind of images on the streets and making a difference in the minds of the everyday person rather than as an archival framed artwork on someone's dining room wall or (Satan forbid) in a flat file. I mean, the image is out there, so that's a good thing. And artists need to eat as much as the rest of us. If your raison d'etre is protest art or making statements about injustice in society, then your money making products will probably borrow from that stable of work. Hang on. I've just lost my point? I have no idea where I was going with this. No, no. It's gone. F**cking Monday. You've nicely summed up the struggle in this area ... Id say the most pertinent underlying points to anyone wanting to make a point should be : 1. Have something worth saying and say it well 2. Do not be seen to make profit from serious issues at the very time they are happening, unless it directly helps with the struggle and is a good point (see point 1). This is all obviously hugely subjective. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Wearology on Aug 18, 2014 12:10:32 GMT 1, The realization that art is a business just like sports is sometimes hard for many purists to swallow.
It's also very difficult to comprehend that controversial racial deaths in America has become a cottage industry.
When a non white person is shot in the USA it's always the same individuals / entities that benefit financially
from such tragic events either through direct financial gain or increased exposure for themselves or their
publications. It's quite pathetic and very predictable but some media outlets cover these stories like it is a football match and they are the commentators bringing the game of life to us live.
The realization that art is a business just like sports is sometimes hard for many purists to swallow.
It's also very difficult to comprehend that controversial racial deaths in America has become a cottage industry.
When a non white person is shot in the USA it's always the same individuals / entities that benefit financially
from such tragic events either through direct financial gain or increased exposure for themselves or their
publications. It's quite pathetic and very predictable but some media outlets cover these stories like it is a football match and they are the commentators bringing the game of life to us live.
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:47:17 GMT 1, Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. 1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so f**king crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening?
Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. 1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so f**king crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening? You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:57:39 GMT 1, Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. ...oh yeah, a grim looking copper shadow really goes deep into that issue. Expressing all the sadness of these events happening. And surely they came up with this image to point out these horrible events. Thinking about it...one could argue that they are cashing in on the image at the most tasteless point possible.
Ok, I'll play, It's been done once, years ago, by Banksy, Smiley copper. #Fergusen would seem to make this more relevant than ever. Did you see the streets of New York yesterday ? Smiley coppers shooting black kids and the ONLY work dealing with a similar topic in the whole of Street Art seems to be this one. You're constantly bemoaning the lack of an activist bent in Street Art and when someone produces something you're yawningly critical...change the record mate, we're all living on noodles here, gallery or no gallery. ...oh yeah, a grim looking copper shadow really goes deep into that issue. Expressing all the sadness of these events happening. And surely they came up with this image to point out these horrible events. Thinking about it...one could argue that they are cashing in on the image at the most tasteless point possible. Speaking of going deep and tasteless, didn't you make a stencil of a naked woman felating Michelangelos David ? Blow job david |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by stvro22 on Aug 18, 2014 15:02:43 GMT 1, 1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so f**king crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening? You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong.
Wish NuArt folks would have been this expressive when I asked about the David Choe situation they blindly defended but never directly answered.
1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so f**king crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening? You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. Wish NuArt folks would have been this expressive when I asked about the David Choe situation they blindly defended but never directly answered. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by randomname on Aug 18, 2014 15:03:04 GMT 1, RandomName, I disagree and believe that you are not understanding the work of Icy & Sot on this piece. While your alteration is aesthetically more "Hollywood-ish", the artists are avoiding this cinematic exaggeration by offering a more balanced perspective on the duality of men. It is of course everybody's right to interpret and like an artwork as they wish; but Icy & Sot know exactly what they are doing here by maintaining the proportions of the policeman to his shadow. Yes, I agree with street Art Anarchy. I also find that it is an affront to a artist to propose - to criticize, and not for the fun as shown by Gonefellow with a great talent for the Banksy 's truck -, another version. I know Icy & Sot from the very beginning - when there were not even in NY - which are two wonderful people, and I find it is really outrageous to photoshop - lol, photoshop, the art's disease of our times - and put on line another version. You would not dare do this to Banksy or to a famous artist that you like. If we had drawn again behind each artist, all prints would be to redo, which of the artists of POW, etc... For this print, ok, the theme is slightly rehashed ( Hey, tell me in street-art that has not processed or what subject does not address the theme of the police, army, war, children, poverty, vandals, hoods, etc... Hard to find even a certain originality in the stencils, most being folllowers Banksy or Blek). A little respect for artists, please... Thank you ;-)
Icy & Sot have a nice story and all. Personally, I feel that story has made them more popular than their artistic skill merits. Whenever I see their work, I see a couple of young artists who are still learning the basics of art. Or should be. My post was meant as feedback. They can take it or not.
Regardless, it should be obvious to all that something is not working with this image. Can you imagine another artist discussed on here putting out an edition of 25 hand-sprayed stencils for $275 and not having them sell out instantly?
For me, the biggest problem with the piece is the composition. There's no focal point. The other problem is the shadow that isn't a shadow. It's a little goofy in my opinion. And then the idea itself is a bit cliche. Personally, I was willing to overlook that.
RandomName, I disagree and believe that you are not understanding the work of Icy & Sot on this piece. While your alteration is aesthetically more "Hollywood-ish", the artists are avoiding this cinematic exaggeration by offering a more balanced perspective on the duality of men. It is of course everybody's right to interpret and like an artwork as they wish; but Icy & Sot know exactly what they are doing here by maintaining the proportions of the policeman to his shadow. Yes, I agree with street Art Anarchy. I also find that it is an affront to a artist to propose - to criticize, and not for the fun as shown by Gonefellow with a great talent for the Banksy 's truck -, another version. I know Icy & Sot from the very beginning - when there were not even in NY - which are two wonderful people, and I find it is really outrageous to photoshop - lol, photoshop, the art's disease of our times - and put on line another version. You would not dare do this to Banksy or to a famous artist that you like. If we had drawn again behind each artist, all prints would be to redo, which of the artists of POW, etc... For this print, ok, the theme is slightly rehashed ( Hey, tell me in street-art that has not processed or what subject does not address the theme of the police, army, war, children, poverty, vandals, hoods, etc... Hard to find even a certain originality in the stencils, most being folllowers Banksy or Blek). A little respect for artists, please... Thank you ;-) Icy & Sot have a nice story and all. Personally, I feel that story has made them more popular than their artistic skill merits. Whenever I see their work, I see a couple of young artists who are still learning the basics of art. Or should be. My post was meant as feedback. They can take it or not. Regardless, it should be obvious to all that something is not working with this image. Can you imagine another artist discussed on here putting out an edition of 25 hand-sprayed stencils for $275 and not having them sell out instantly? For me, the biggest problem with the piece is the composition. There's no focal point. The other problem is the shadow that isn't a shadow. It's a little goofy in my opinion. And then the idea itself is a bit cliche. Personally, I was willing to overlook that. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by eschiff on Aug 18, 2014 15:09:55 GMT 1, You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. Wish NuArt folks would have been this expressive when I asked about the David Choe situation they blindly defended but never directly answered.
You're only gonna get a response from him when it's in his financial interests. And he may tyll at you for being a far right capitalist while he's counting his money. What a phoney.
You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. Wish NuArt folks would have been this expressive when I asked about the David Choe situation they blindly defended but never directly answered. You're only gonna get a response from him when it's in his financial interests. And he may tyll at you for being a far right capitalist while he's counting his money. What a phoney. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by kunstrasen on Aug 18, 2014 16:06:51 GMT 1, Speaking of going deep and tasteless, didn't you make a stencil of a naked woman felating Michelangelos David ? Blow job david
I clearly was trying to achieve world piece with a serious image like 'Fame and Gloria'...at the very least, world piece, nothing less...lol.
For the rather inhibited people it might appear very tasteless...definitely meant to provoke and play with people attitudes hoping that they might see something other through that in the image than just the actions of the characters...doubt something like you would even try though.
Anyhow, really impressed by your arrogance you have proven once again on this thread...jumping on what's hot and hyped to hype it a bit more with the sole intention to get rich is such an amazing thing to do...you are living of and depending on the ideas, talents and skills of other people and that in such an autocratical way...thumbs up though, you got very far considering that your head seems to be up your arse.
Edit: Now that I have proven that I can be just as rude and arrogant as that Nuart Martyn I decided that I need a break from the forum. Better things to do in life than arguing with strangers.
Speaking of going deep and tasteless, didn't you make a stencil of a naked woman felating Michelangelos David ? Blow job davidYes I did that piece...and what on earth has it got to do with this? I clearly was trying to achieve world piece with a serious image like 'Fame and Gloria'...at the very least, world piece, nothing less...lol. For the rather inhibited people it might appear very tasteless...definitely meant to provoke and play with people attitudes hoping that they might see something other through that in the image than just the actions of the characters...doubt something like you would even try though. Anyhow, really impressed by your arrogance you have proven once again on this thread...jumping on what's hot and hyped to hype it a bit more with the sole intention to get rich is such an amazing thing to do...you are living of and depending on the ideas, talents and skills of other people and that in such an autocratical way...thumbs up though, you got very far considering that your head seems to be up your arse. Edit: Now that I have proven that I can be just as rude and arrogant as that Nuart Martyn I decided that I need a break from the forum. Better things to do in life than arguing with strangers. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Lroy on Aug 18, 2014 16:23:52 GMT 1, Yes, I agree with street Art Anarchy. I also find that it is an affront to a artist to propose - to criticize, and not for the fun as shown by Gonefellow with a great talent for the Banksy 's truck -, another version. I know Icy & Sot from the very beginning - when there were not even in NY - which are two wonderful people, and I find it is really outrageous to photoshop - lol, photoshop, the art's disease of our times - and put on line another version. You would not dare do this to Banksy or to a famous artist that you like. If we had drawn again behind each artist, all prints would be to redo, which of the artists of POW, etc... For this print, ok, the theme is slightly rehashed ( Hey, tell me in street-art that has not processed or what subject does not address the theme of the police, army, war, children, poverty, vandals, hoods, etc... Hard to find even a certain originality in the stencils, most being folllowers Banksy or Blek). A little respect for artists, please... Thank you ;-) Icy & Sot have a nice story and all. Personally, I feel that story has made them more popular than their artistic skill merits. Whenever I see their work, I see a couple of young artists who are still learning the basics of art. Or should be. My post was meant as feedback. They can take it or not. Regardless, it should be obvious to all that something is not working with this image. Can you imagine another artist discussed on here putting out an edition of 25 hand-sprayed stencils for $275 and not having them sell out instantly? For me, the biggest problem with the piece is the composition. There's no focal point. The other problem is the shadow that isn't a shadow. It's a little goofy in my opinion. And then the idea itself is a bit cliche. Personally, I was willing to overlook that.
About the composition, I am sorry but I found their stencil more powerfull - if we can say - than your version : Yours seems to be a strip sorted of an old comics from Tex Avery ( per example the Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote, with the shadow, little little little and becoming bigger bigger bigger ;-) . Thank you for your answer !
Yes, I agree with street Art Anarchy. I also find that it is an affront to a artist to propose - to criticize, and not for the fun as shown by Gonefellow with a great talent for the Banksy 's truck -, another version. I know Icy & Sot from the very beginning - when there were not even in NY - which are two wonderful people, and I find it is really outrageous to photoshop - lol, photoshop, the art's disease of our times - and put on line another version. You would not dare do this to Banksy or to a famous artist that you like. If we had drawn again behind each artist, all prints would be to redo, which of the artists of POW, etc... For this print, ok, the theme is slightly rehashed ( Hey, tell me in street-art that has not processed or what subject does not address the theme of the police, army, war, children, poverty, vandals, hoods, etc... Hard to find even a certain originality in the stencils, most being folllowers Banksy or Blek). A little respect for artists, please... Thank you ;-) Icy & Sot have a nice story and all. Personally, I feel that story has made them more popular than their artistic skill merits. Whenever I see their work, I see a couple of young artists who are still learning the basics of art. Or should be. My post was meant as feedback. They can take it or not. Regardless, it should be obvious to all that something is not working with this image. Can you imagine another artist discussed on here putting out an edition of 25 hand-sprayed stencils for $275 and not having them sell out instantly? For me, the biggest problem with the piece is the composition. There's no focal point. The other problem is the shadow that isn't a shadow. It's a little goofy in my opinion. And then the idea itself is a bit cliche. Personally, I was willing to overlook that. I am agree with you on some points ( anyway it's not an usual story, they are courageaous and have great ideas as the lid carrying legos in a bomber or ruined house. I am agree also about the old fashioned style that could be a bit boring ( anyway every stencilers do that ) ... It looks like an old cop from the 50 - and that the stencil - the image itself - is a bit weak and nude ( They made better, no comparizon per exemple with their last coke molotov stencil ) , as old stencils ( I won't tell a/few names ). About the composition, I am sorry but I found their stencil more powerfull - if we can say - than your version : Yours seems to be a strip sorted of an old comics from Tex Avery ( per example the Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote, with the shadow, little little little and becoming bigger bigger bigger ;-) . Thank you for your answer ! |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 17:42:37 GMT 1, Speaking of going deep and tasteless, didn't you make a stencil of a naked woman felating Michelangelos David ? Blow job davidYes I did that piece...and what on earth has it got to do with this? I clearly was trying to achieve world piece with a serious image like 'Fame and Gloria'...at the very least, world piece, nothing less...lol. For the rather inhibited people it might appear very tasteless...definitely meant to provoke and play with people attitudes hoping that they might see something other through that in the image than just the actions of the characters...doubt something like you would even try though. Anyhow, really impressed by your arrogance you have proven once again on this thread...jumping on what's hot and hyped to hype it a bit more with the sole intention to get rich is such an amazing thing to do...you are living of and depending on the ideas, talents and skills of other people and that in such an autocratical way...thumbs up though, you got very far considering that your head seems to be up your arse. Edit: Now that I have proven that I can be just as rude and arrogant as that Nuart Martyn I decided that I need a break from the forum. Better things to do in life than arguing with strangers.
Speaking of going deep and tasteless, didn't you make a stencil of a naked woman felating Michelangelos David ? Blow job davidYes I did that piece...and what on earth has it got to do with this? I clearly was trying to achieve world piece with a serious image like 'Fame and Gloria'...at the very least, world piece, nothing less...lol. For the rather inhibited people it might appear very tasteless...definitely meant to provoke and play with people attitudes hoping that they might see something other through that in the image than just the actions of the characters...doubt something like you would even try though. Anyhow, really impressed by your arrogance you have proven once again on this thread...jumping on what's hot and hyped to hype it a bit more with the sole intention to get rich is such an amazing thing to do...you are living of and depending on the ideas, talents and skills of other people and that in such an autocratical way...thumbs up though, you got very far considering that your head seems to be up your arse. Edit: Now that I have proven that I can be just as rude and arrogant as that Nuart Martyn I decided that I need a break from the forum. Better things to do in life than arguing with strangers. Come on, don't take it so serious buddy, just messing. The "Fame and Glory" is a fun little stencil and I love the fencing characters. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Lroy on Aug 18, 2014 17:54:56 GMT 1, I would like to add something on the "weak" and "awesome" prints, without lapsing into generalities.
Take the print "Enjoy Grafitti" of Ernst Zacharevic.
Everyone says, here or there, " it's great, I want to, where can I order, etc... "
I am suspicious however: either people buy to keep (and look, show) their print as object of value, for the present and future time, either people buys by ease, because it will not interfere in the living room and will make laugh the guests with a glass of champagne ( I did not say hipsters, lol ) .
I am wary of this print - I love it anyway !! Why? Because the subliminal message us back in the depths of our childhood, and makes us remembering ( the famous red " coca/santa Claus " ) strongly, while most of us, with an old rebel spirit and / or anti-imperialist, , hates the coca-cola brand!
I would like that people are becoming aware that they will buy a product "coca-cola -, even if the desired effect (enjoy graffti) shows the contrary." A little easy, but so effective! As a pub (again!) for the American soft drinks giant. Like when some street-artists or others diverts the image of Mac-Donald, for example. You see, this print will take more value that it deserves it. It is not really " protester " at the contrary ! Thanks !
I would like to add something on the "weak" and "awesome" prints, without lapsing into generalities.
Take the print "Enjoy Grafitti" of Ernst Zacharevic.
Everyone says, here or there, " it's great, I want to, where can I order, etc... "
I am suspicious however: either people buy to keep (and look, show) their print as object of value, for the present and future time, either people buys by ease, because it will not interfere in the living room and will make laugh the guests with a glass of champagne ( I did not say hipsters, lol ) .
I am wary of this print - I love it anyway !! Why? Because the subliminal message us back in the depths of our childhood, and makes us remembering ( the famous red " coca/santa Claus " ) strongly, while most of us, with an old rebel spirit and / or anti-imperialist, , hates the coca-cola brand!
I would like that people are becoming aware that they will buy a product "coca-cola -, even if the desired effect (enjoy graffti) shows the contrary." A little easy, but so effective! As a pub (again!) for the American soft drinks giant. Like when some street-artists or others diverts the image of Mac-Donald, for example. You see, this print will take more value that it deserves it. It is not really " protester " at the contrary ! Thanks !
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:19:50 GMT 1, 1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so f**king crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening? You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong.
Still not your mate, thanks for the name calling appreciated and it's still a tired image being sold at a questionable time - you can build the rest of your fantasy argument yourself.
1. I'm not your mate 2. It's a tired idea I shouldn't have said image if you're going to be so pedantic 3. I'm not your mate 4. Yeah I saw the news that's why selling this image seems so f**king crass and counter productive 5. Maybe you should be pushing your artist mates to make some better work, rather than be so up them, then the noodle diet wouldn't be happening? You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. Still not your mate, thanks for the name calling appreciated and it's still a tired image being sold at a questionable time - you can build the rest of your fantasy argument yourself. |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:24:07 GMT 1, You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. Still not your mate, thanks for the name calling appreciated and it's still a tired image being sold at a questionable time - you can build the rest of your fantasy argument yourself.
You're funny ;-) Mate, as usual you've got it all back to front and upside down in your head. Left eating the left for perceived transgressions of some mythical ethical code. A code generally employed by people too f**king lazy to get involved themselves. A nice little get out clause for armchair activists hey. You may as well be on the far right the good you do. Icy and Sot are having an impact on the streets of Brooklyn and beyond and are genuinely engaged in activism both home and abroad, selling art based on their street work to pay the rent is hardly a crime against "streetart". Maybe focus your ire on "urban artists" instead. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but to paint these guys as lazy artists cashing in on the "protest" movement is simply wrong. Still not your mate, thanks for the name calling appreciated and it's still a tired image being sold at a questionable time - you can build the rest of your fantasy argument yourself. cheers |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Street Art Anarchy on Aug 18, 2014 19:46:25 GMT 1, Well that escalated quickly...
Just to answer this new theory/accusation that we strategically released this piece because of what is happening in Ferguson - that is simply not true and quite disrespectful to SAA's team and the artists. Our friends and established clients know that we are solely driven by our passion for this art and that we provide exclusive and high quality works at the best possible prices to reward the true collectors that share this exact same passion, appreciation and vision. We only represent the works of artists that share that mindset and hit/bomb the streets harder than most "gallery" urban artists. This release was scheduled over a month ago, and we obviously had no idea of what would happen in the media with the riots.
Well that escalated quickly...
Just to answer this new theory/accusation that we strategically released this piece because of what is happening in Ferguson - that is simply not true and quite disrespectful to SAA's team and the artists. Our friends and established clients know that we are solely driven by our passion for this art and that we provide exclusive and high quality works at the best possible prices to reward the true collectors that share this exact same passion, appreciation and vision. We only represent the works of artists that share that mindset and hit/bomb the streets harder than most "gallery" urban artists. This release was scheduled over a month ago, and we obviously had no idea of what would happen in the media with the riots.
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by sgolby on Aug 19, 2014 23:08:04 GMT 1, Alright, i know it is always said, but i just received my puece, and it looks WAY better in person than it does in any picture i have seen. The shadow is painted white over some of the black spray giving it a depth that you can't make out in the photos.
i get that it isn't for everyone and folks feel pretty strongly one way or the other about this piece, bit i for one am glad i snagged it, and quite frankly couldn't give a shit either way if it was released at a time when a kid got shot by a cop... Know why? Because here in the US, peop,e get killed, beaten, and abused by the police on a daily basis. So no matter when it dropped it likely would have coincided with some form of police brutality or killing anyhow... And don't get it twisted, the media coverage of this has less to do with the killig of the kid and way more to do with the violence being perpetuated by some fools after dark in Missouri.
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Alright, i know it is always said, but i just received my puece, and it looks WAY better in person than it does in any picture i have seen. The shadow is painted white over some of the black spray giving it a depth that you can't make out in the photos.
i get that it isn't for everyone and folks feel pretty strongly one way or the other about this piece, bit i for one am glad i snagged it, and quite frankly couldn't give a shit either way if it was released at a time when a kid got shot by a cop... Know why? Because here in the US, peop,e get killed, beaten, and abused by the police on a daily basis. So no matter when it dropped it likely would have coincided with some form of police brutality or killing anyhow... And don't get it twisted, the media coverage of this has less to do with the killig of the kid and way more to do with the violence being perpetuated by some fools after dark in Missouri.
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 23:39:46 GMT 1, It's just a print it ain't that important, whatever's said in the heat of the moment
It's just a print it ain't that important, whatever's said in the heat of the moment
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 20:25:02 GMT 1, Anyone else thinking that the cop looks like Schmidt from New Girl?
I think he looks exactly like Adam Pally from 'Happy Endings'
Anyone else thinking that the cop looks like Schmidt from New Girl? I think he looks exactly like Adam Pally from 'Happy Endings' |
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ICY & SOT Handsprayed Stencil, by mandingo on Aug 21, 2014 15:04:19 GMT 1, Just got my stenciled print all I can say it's very good and the pictures dont do it
Justice very happy and a steal if you ask me .
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Just got my stenciled print all I can say it's very good and the pictures dont do it
Justice very happy and a steal if you ask me .
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