Petrusino
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Interesting Times..., by Petrusino on Oct 3, 2014 12:40:10 GMT 1, 70% of people are here for profit and about street art / Urban art their knowledge is very, very limited; they were referred here by their friends gallerists who said them "now the urban art is a great investment"; many have a big wallet but they do not have the capability to distinguish an artist which popped up out of nowhere with his "revolutionary" stencils to another that is a pillar and a pioneer. The only thing they understand is the fluctuations of the prices on ebay and the fact that the artworks of banksy 10 years ago cost hundreds of pounds, and today hundreds of thousands pounds and that banksy uses stencils.... It's all about Banksy
70% of people are here for profit and about street art / Urban art their knowledge is very, very limited; they were referred here by their friends gallerists who said them "now the urban art is a great investment"; many have a big wallet but they do not have the capability to distinguish an artist which popped up out of nowhere with his "revolutionary" stencils to another that is a pillar and a pioneer. The only thing they understand is the fluctuations of the prices on ebay and the fact that the artworks of banksy 10 years ago cost hundreds of pounds, and today hundreds of thousands pounds and that banksy uses stencils.... It's all about Banksy
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mojo
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Interesting Times..., by mojo on Oct 3, 2014 12:45:07 GMT 1, Yes, I too am surprised at the number of posts on certain threads on here. I liked the question about the Folkstone artwork 'whats it all about?' an open invitation to all Banksy forum members to articulate what the image meant to them personally, it was an interesting and entertaining read and very insightful. Not that many members replied though? As for the Invader release yesterday I think that's commonly known as hysteria! I enjoy Invaders work and have absolutely nothing against him, so please don't get me wrong. I think he's worked incredibly hard to reach this level of acclaim and it's great that folk recognize this. What interests me more is the motivation to want to own an artwork by a particular artist. There is now such huge interest in street/urban/graffiti art, whatever you choose to call it, that the game has become increasingly competitive and it appears everyone wants a piece of the pie. In the past 24 hours there's been over 3500 guests on here let alone nearly 900 members. I don't really know what I'm trying to say now ......? There's lots of people watching without contributing? And a lot of the contributions are primarily about money and flipping flipping, not the actual art.
Yes, I too am surprised at the number of posts on certain threads on here. I liked the question about the Folkstone artwork 'whats it all about?' an open invitation to all Banksy forum members to articulate what the image meant to them personally, it was an interesting and entertaining read and very insightful. Not that many members replied though? As for the Invader release yesterday I think that's commonly known as hysteria! I enjoy Invaders work and have absolutely nothing against him, so please don't get me wrong. I think he's worked incredibly hard to reach this level of acclaim and it's great that folk recognize this. What interests me more is the motivation to want to own an artwork by a particular artist. There is now such huge interest in street/urban/graffiti art, whatever you choose to call it, that the game has become increasingly competitive and it appears everyone wants a piece of the pie. In the past 24 hours there's been over 3500 guests on here let alone nearly 900 members. I don't really know what I'm trying to say now ......? There's lots of people watching without contributing? And a lot of the contributions are primarily about money and flipping flipping, not the actual art.
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Interesting Times..., by Street Art Fan on Oct 3, 2014 12:45:44 GMT 1, Every thread turns into a what will it be worth thread. Very little interest shown now from people in the actual image or the development of artists. The Harrington thread was the same. The guy has just put on the show of the year (in my opinion or at least it looked it from the pictures) and yet the majority of the thread is about a 400$ print and how much it can be flipped for. Shame. Fully agree. Wish I could triple-like your post, dungle.
Every thread turns into a what will it be worth thread. Very little interest shown now from people in the actual image or the development of artists. The Harrington thread was the same. The guy has just put on the show of the year (in my opinion or at least it looked it from the pictures) and yet the majority of the thread is about a 400$ print and how much it can be flipped for. Shame. Fully agree. Wish I could triple-like your post, dungle.
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spirit
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Interesting Times..., by spirit on Oct 3, 2014 12:48:54 GMT 1, I can assure you that back when you joined the forum in 2010, people were saying exactly the same thing. That comes across as a little snippy, Spirit -- but I apologise if I've misinterpreted. The point made no reference to when I joined, only what the forum is or might be now compared to what it was or might have been previously. I don't purport to be a founder member but I've enjoyed looking back over older forum posts including many from before I was a member and I feel I'm able to comment as such. If you feel it's always been this way then that's a fair point. Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago...
People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background.
Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really.
There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot.
Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word.
I can assure you that back when you joined the forum in 2010, people were saying exactly the same thing. That comes across as a little snippy, Spirit -- but I apologise if I've misinterpreted. The point made no reference to when I joined, only what the forum is or might be now compared to what it was or might have been previously. I don't purport to be a founder member but I've enjoyed looking back over older forum posts including many from before I was a member and I feel I'm able to comment as such. If you feel it's always been this way then that's a fair point. Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word.
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Interesting Times..., by balibob on Oct 3, 2014 13:18:17 GMT 1, I've just spent 5 minutes reading this thread and by the time I had got to the end I had forgotten what the first post was about. Banksy has a five inch p***s and Invader was more popular than a free bar or something. I'll just stick to scrolling through and liking everything that Wizzy gives the thumbs up to, just to feel I am contributing.
I've just spent 5 minutes reading this thread and by the time I had got to the end I had forgotten what the first post was about. Banksy has a five inch p***s and Invader was more popular than a free bar or something. I'll just stick to scrolling through and liking everything that Wizzy gives the thumbs up to, just to feel I am contributing.
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Interesting Times..., by Lroy on Oct 3, 2014 13:21:39 GMT 1, Ah AH It is a shame to have under the pacifist photo (against racism) from Banksy (and in the thread about ), a commentary about " people who know nothing about art and are using " google tranlate "? " Where is the migrant so? me? Shot me then. A lot of lies here and the Ukip is not far I guess... You know me anyway , why to use different pseudo ? I don't care about you, STFT
Ah AH It is a shame to have under the pacifist photo (against racism) from Banksy (and in the thread about ), a commentary about " people who know nothing about art and are using " google tranlate "? " Where is the migrant so? me? Shot me then. A lot of lies here and the Ukip is not far I guess... You know me anyway , why to use different pseudo ? I don't care about you, STFT
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Interesting Times..., by jayTown on Oct 3, 2014 13:27:45 GMT 1, Even the post about the lack of posts is getting more posts?!
Even the post about the lack of posts is getting more posts?!
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 13:29:23 GMT 1, Even the post about the lack of posts is getting more posts?! Ha. Im confusder now.
Even the post about the lack of posts is getting more posts?! Ha. Im confusder now.
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Interesting Times..., by Hubble Bubble on Oct 3, 2014 13:59:01 GMT 1, That comes across as a little snippy, Spirit -- but I apologise if I've misinterpreted. The point made no reference to when I joined, only what the forum is or might be now compared to what it was or might have been previously. I don't purport to be a founder member but I've enjoyed looking back over older forum posts including many from before I was a member and I feel I'm able to comment as such. If you feel it's always been this way then that's a fair point. Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word. All good points! Cheers!
That comes across as a little snippy, Spirit -- but I apologise if I've misinterpreted. The point made no reference to when I joined, only what the forum is or might be now compared to what it was or might have been previously. I don't purport to be a founder member but I've enjoyed looking back over older forum posts including many from before I was a member and I feel I'm able to comment as such. If you feel it's always been this way then that's a fair point. Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word. All good points! Cheers!
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 14:11:38 GMT 1, That comes across as a little snippy, Spirit -- but I apologise if I've misinterpreted. The point made no reference to when I joined, only what the forum is or might be now compared to what it was or might have been previously. I don't purport to be a founder member but I've enjoyed looking back over older forum posts including many from before I was a member and I feel I'm able to comment as such. If you feel it's always been this way then that's a fair point. Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word. This forum didn't start on ebay.
There was an old ebay forum, from which its members moved on to WallKandy. This one has always been the same as it is now. Admittedly the financial interest is overtly greater, but I suspect part of that is because the sums involved are that much greater.
The reason WallKandy didn't last is because Ian pulled the plug on it. WallKandy was a dirty word on here, but then this place was referred to as 'the other side' on WK. All good things must come to an end.
This one hasn't....which also says a lot.
That comes across as a little snippy, Spirit -- but I apologise if I've misinterpreted. The point made no reference to when I joined, only what the forum is or might be now compared to what it was or might have been previously. I don't purport to be a founder member but I've enjoyed looking back over older forum posts including many from before I was a member and I feel I'm able to comment as such. If you feel it's always been this way then that's a fair point. Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word. This forum didn't start on ebay. There was an old ebay forum, from which its members moved on to WallKandy. This one has always been the same as it is now. Admittedly the financial interest is overtly greater, but I suspect part of that is because the sums involved are that much greater. The reason WallKandy didn't last is because Ian pulled the plug on it. WallKandy was a dirty word on here, but then this place was referred to as 'the other side' on WK. All good things must come to an end. This one hasn't....which also says a lot.
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Momo
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Interesting Times..., by Momo on Oct 3, 2014 14:38:02 GMT 1, I didn't really post in either, the banksy one from the start I agreed with most opinions from the beginning so just liked them, I don't live in the UK and prob won't get to see it outside of pics so what can I really add to the thread??? If it gets removed or vandalised well then the thread becomes a different discussion and ditto if it was to become a print, not that I would be discussing the future fiscal value but rather what could I do to get my first Banksy, beat the flippers and why this over other images would have been chosen as his next print, that then opens up a whole different discussion again..
As for the Invader, I hadn't the cash to discuss the release in a meaningful bway and the biggest conversation was over VIP is it real? How can I get on it? Who is on it? Why so little details? How many versions? ......(I bought an Invader in the Japan release that I really wanted and that was a long thread for similar reasons IE being a pain in the ass to actually buy, For reasons that a handful of you know the Mrs won't let it on my wall which is why I want to trade it or sell it atm)...as for the Harrington thread its a similar thing, unless you go to the show you can't really experience it, looked amazing he's supposed to be great bloke and had a great night put on but unless you can interact with the event van you really add to the discussion, the thread grew with news of the print because was a quality print and we all had a minute chance of owning a piece of the show at an affordable price that was supporting charity..if Laz had of toured his Show 3 days in LA 3 days in NY 3 days in Ldn and no prints this thread would be massive as we could all discuss it... It just makes no financial sense to Laz as the show was sold out before the exhibition..
Phew... (All above is my opinion and how I understand the variety and interest in commentary on the said 3 threads)
I didn't really post in either, the banksy one from the start I agreed with most opinions from the beginning so just liked them, I don't live in the UK and prob won't get to see it outside of pics so what can I really add to the thread??? If it gets removed or vandalised well then the thread becomes a different discussion and ditto if it was to become a print, not that I would be discussing the future fiscal value but rather what could I do to get my first Banksy, beat the flippers and why this over other images would have been chosen as his next print, that then opens up a whole different discussion again..
As for the Invader, I hadn't the cash to discuss the release in a meaningful bway and the biggest conversation was over VIP is it real? How can I get on it? Who is on it? Why so little details? How many versions? ......(I bought an Invader in the Japan release that I really wanted and that was a long thread for similar reasons IE being a pain in the ass to actually buy, For reasons that a handful of you know the Mrs won't let it on my wall which is why I want to trade it or sell it atm)...as for the Harrington thread its a similar thing, unless you go to the show you can't really experience it, looked amazing he's supposed to be great bloke and had a great night put on but unless you can interact with the event van you really add to the discussion, the thread grew with news of the print because was a quality print and we all had a minute chance of owning a piece of the show at an affordable price that was supporting charity..if Laz had of toured his Show 3 days in LA 3 days in NY 3 days in Ldn and no prints this thread would be massive as we could all discuss it... It just makes no financial sense to Laz as the show was sold out before the exhibition..
Phew... (All above is my opinion and how I understand the variety and interest in commentary on the said 3 threads)
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Interesting Times..., by Peter Bengtsen on Oct 3, 2014 14:49:29 GMT 1, Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word. This forum didn't start on ebay. There was an old ebay forum, from which its members moved on to WallKandy. This one has always been the same as it is now. Admittedly the financial interest is overtly greater, but I suspect part of that is because the sums involved are that much greater. The reason WallKandy didn't last is because Ian pulled the plug on it. WallKandy was a dirty word on here, but then this place was referred to as 'the other side' on WK. All good things must come to an end. This one hasn't....which also says a lot.
To say that this forum started on eBay may not be entirely accurate, but there is certainly a connection.
Silky was a member on the Old eBay Forum before (and after) setting up this one. A lot of the information that could initially be found here on Urban Art Association (known as Banksy.info at the time) was harvested directly from the eBay forum.
Many members from the Old eBay Forum were quite critical about the overt commercial focus of Banksy.info (which was there from the beginning, but - as you rightly point out - has become increasingly obvious as the monetary stakes have been raised). The critical attitude towards Banksy.info is one reason that Wallkandy emerged as an alternative. Another very significant reason is that the interface of the OEF was quite hopeless.
Oh, and Banksy.info was not typically referred to as "the other side" on Wallkandy, but as "the dark side". Both due to its commercial nature and to the fact that the background colour on this forum was dark back then.
Apologies - certainly didn't mean to be snippy - simply implying that its always been this way imo. People were saying the same thing when I joined in 2007 and I'm certainly not a founder member either. Back when I joined there was always a lot of hoohaa about the good members who were here for the artistic discussion leaving because it was turning into a flippers forum... 7 years ago... People hark back to the idealised "golden years" of how it used to be and I'm not really sure they ever existed. Perhaps people didn't used to be quite so overt about their financial interest but it was probably always there in the background. Eschiff hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this forum started on ebay... which says everything really. There was an alternate forum called Wallkandy that started up to offer an alternative venue for those more interested in true artistic discussion (and for those banned from here). It didn't last.... which also says a lot. Edit: Pleased to see Wallkandy is no longer considered a dirty word. This forum didn't start on ebay. There was an old ebay forum, from which its members moved on to WallKandy. This one has always been the same as it is now. Admittedly the financial interest is overtly greater, but I suspect part of that is because the sums involved are that much greater. The reason WallKandy didn't last is because Ian pulled the plug on it. WallKandy was a dirty word on here, but then this place was referred to as 'the other side' on WK. All good things must come to an end. This one hasn't....which also says a lot.
To say that this forum started on eBay may not be entirely accurate, but there is certainly a connection.
Silky was a member on the Old eBay Forum before (and after) setting up this one. A lot of the information that could initially be found here on Urban Art Association (known as Banksy.info at the time) was harvested directly from the eBay forum.
Many members from the Old eBay Forum were quite critical about the overt commercial focus of Banksy.info (which was there from the beginning, but - as you rightly point out - has become increasingly obvious as the monetary stakes have been raised). The critical attitude towards Banksy.info is one reason that Wallkandy emerged as an alternative. Another very significant reason is that the interface of the OEF was quite hopeless.
Oh, and Banksy.info was not typically referred to as "the other side" on Wallkandy, but as "the dark side". Both due to its commercial nature and to the fact that the background colour on this forum was dark back then.
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 14:56:32 GMT 1,
Oh, and Banksy.info was not typically referred to as "the other side" on Wallkandy, but as "the dark side". Both due to its commercial nature and to the fact that the background colour on this forum was dark back then.
That's it! 'The Dark Side'. Well remembered. I always thought it was called this because of its commercial nature.
Didn't realise Silky was a member of the OEF.
Thanks for putting me right on a few things.
Oh, and Banksy.info was not typically referred to as "the other side" on Wallkandy, but as "the dark side". Both due to its commercial nature and to the fact that the background colour on this forum was dark back then.
That's it! 'The Dark Side'. Well remembered. I always thought it was called this because of its commercial nature. Didn't realise Silky was a member of the OEF. Thanks for putting me right on a few things.
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Interesting Times..., by Morfx on Oct 3, 2014 15:06:19 GMT 1, We come here, Chew the fat on all things topical and Art related, Explode, implode, moan, smile, laugh and cry... Oh and from reading this thread learn a lil bit of history too
Before I joined the forum I thought a knew a fair bit about Street/Urban art.. I knew very little it seems..
The wealth of knowledge on this forum is sublime..
I am truly grateful for all your inputs on most threads
and for answering my questions no matter how stupid you think they are... (said in a Forest Gump voice)
The Milky Bars are on me!!!!
We come here, Chew the fat on all things topical and Art related, Explode, implode, moan, smile, laugh and cry... Oh and from reading this thread learn a lil bit of history too Before I joined the forum I thought a knew a fair bit about Street/Urban art.. I knew very little it seems.. The wealth of knowledge on this forum is sublime.. I am truly grateful for all your inputs on most threads and for answering my questions no matter how stupid you think they are... (said in a Forest Gump voice) The Milky Bars are on me!!!!
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 15:54:10 GMT 1, Interesting info about the early days.
I had read references to the old eBay forum. Would love to know what years that started and what the community chatted about as I'm guessing it was a period that Banksy was both prolific in street and commerce.
I first saw Banksy's name on eBay in the early 2000's. I was looking up Warhols and once in a while I would see Banksy tagged on the auction title. I thought the work was funny but couldn't believe they were asking several hundred dollars for some guy I had never heard of. I was collecting Jim Dine, Rauschenberg, De Kooning, Oldenburg, etc. etc. I now wish I had paid a little more attention
I was so ignorant about graffiti that I thought that Banksy guy was selling his own stuff and piggy backing Warhol as you see done from time to time.
Interesting info about the early days. I had read references to the old eBay forum. Would love to know what years that started and what the community chatted about as I'm guessing it was a period that Banksy was both prolific in street and commerce. I first saw Banksy's name on eBay in the early 2000's. I was looking up Warhols and once in a while I would see Banksy tagged on the auction title. I thought the work was funny but couldn't believe they were asking several hundred dollars for some guy I had never heard of. I was collecting Jim Dine, Rauschenberg, De Kooning, Oldenburg, etc. etc. I now wish I had paid a little more attention I was so ignorant about graffiti that I thought that Banksy guy was selling his own stuff and piggy backing Warhol as you see done from time to time.
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Interesting Times..., by Peter Bengtsen on Oct 3, 2014 16:46:10 GMT 1, Interesting info about the early days. I had read references to the old eBay forum. Would love to know what years that started and what the community chatted about as I'm guessing it was a period that Banksy was both prolific in street and commerce.
The OEF was founded in late 2005. Sadly, it went offline in 2011 after years of inactivity.
Interesting info about the early days. I had read references to the old eBay forum. Would love to know what years that started and what the community chatted about as I'm guessing it was a period that Banksy was both prolific in street and commerce. The OEF was founded in late 2005. Sadly, it went offline in 2011 after years of inactivity.
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Interesting Times..., by thomasmer on Oct 3, 2014 17:03:45 GMT 1, Just have to look at how many posts the ''for sale'' thread has comepared to all of the others and you know.
Just have to look at how many posts the ''for sale'' thread has comepared to all of the others and you know.
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Interesting Times..., by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 17:40:44 GMT 1, โฆ when two new street works by Banksy (one of which was searingly brilliant IMHO - but that's a different thread) get barely nine pages of forum attention but a print from Invader is up to thirty seven pages. Not sure what my point isโฆ maybe that the forum is now less place less for discussing the true heritage of the work we buy and more about shiny material gains... Anywayโฆ more coffee... Always, with love HB If it makes you feel any better, only one or two posts in the Invader thread were about Invader. From what I could gather, most of the rest of them were about rectal polyps.
โฆ when two new street works by Banksy (one of which was searingly brilliant IMHO - but that's a different thread) get barely nine pages of forum attention but a print from Invader is up to thirty seven pages. Not sure what my point isโฆ maybe that the forum is now less place less for discussing the true heritage of the work we buy and more about shiny material gains... Anywayโฆ more coffee... Always, with love HB If it makes you feel any better, only one or two posts in the Invader thread were about Invader. From what I could gather, most of the rest of them were about rectal polyps.
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Interesting Times..., by Hubble Bubble on Oct 3, 2014 18:16:02 GMT 1, LOL...
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Hubble Bubble
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December 2010
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Interesting Times..., by Hubble Bubble on Oct 3, 2014 18:16:16 GMT 1, Or BY rectal polyps?
Or BY rectal polyps?
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sgolby
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Interesting Times..., by sgolby on Oct 3, 2014 18:23:11 GMT 1, So, I am fairly new to this forum. Probably about a year or two. That said, I have been into urban/contemporary/street art for quite some time. Obviously like evrything in todays world, once there is a way to capitalize on a trend which appreciates in value due to low production runs, there will be a mad rush to gain insider info as quickly as possible. In my opinion this is exactly what has happened here. That's actually how I happened upon this forum. I had no interest in paying after market prices for artists whom I admired and wanted on my walls. Folks are commenting on the price/value relationship so much, because several people on here are investorstors, and not appreciators. Don't get me wrong, folks who appreciate can also capitalize on this trend. I for one, was laid off in 2010 and sold off most of my toy collection, and made quite a profit. However, I see it differently as I never bought those pieces thinking I would sell them, they were for my viewing pleasure. I never thought to myself wow, I just bought this piece and now it is worth double! Others, like myself, are on here because we love the work, and take great pleasure in looking at it on a daily basis.
As for art discussion, I mean we can be rather frank here. There is not much to comment on regarding the art of Banksy in terms of composition or execution, as they are incredibly simple images. However what is, and SHOULD be discussed are the messages contained in his art. A few posts ago someone said he should do a drones piece, and then someone said drones have been done to death. OK, correct, however when Banksy does it an entire generation of young people pay attention. No other arist who puts out message based art has this type of impact or following. This is the importance of Banksy's work, at least in my opinion. My first Banksy was flags, and I bought it because I found the message to be SPOT ON. It is a beautiful image, but I take great pleasure in explaining to epeople what the image is about.
Sorry, just ranting, only had 3 hours of sleep due to a 5 hour airport delay. Peace. S
So, I am fairly new to this forum. Probably about a year or two. That said, I have been into urban/contemporary/street art for quite some time. Obviously like evrything in todays world, once there is a way to capitalize on a trend which appreciates in value due to low production runs, there will be a mad rush to gain insider info as quickly as possible. In my opinion this is exactly what has happened here. That's actually how I happened upon this forum. I had no interest in paying after market prices for artists whom I admired and wanted on my walls. Folks are commenting on the price/value relationship so much, because several people on here are investorstors, and not appreciators. Don't get me wrong, folks who appreciate can also capitalize on this trend. I for one, was laid off in 2010 and sold off most of my toy collection, and made quite a profit. However, I see it differently as I never bought those pieces thinking I would sell them, they were for my viewing pleasure. I never thought to myself wow, I just bought this piece and now it is worth double! Others, like myself, are on here because we love the work, and take great pleasure in looking at it on a daily basis.
As for art discussion, I mean we can be rather frank here. There is not much to comment on regarding the art of Banksy in terms of composition or execution, as they are incredibly simple images. However what is, and SHOULD be discussed are the messages contained in his art. A few posts ago someone said he should do a drones piece, and then someone said drones have been done to death. OK, correct, however when Banksy does it an entire generation of young people pay attention. No other arist who puts out message based art has this type of impact or following. This is the importance of Banksy's work, at least in my opinion. My first Banksy was flags, and I bought it because I found the message to be SPOT ON. It is a beautiful image, but I take great pleasure in explaining to epeople what the image is about.
Sorry, just ranting, only had 3 hours of sleep due to a 5 hour airport delay. Peace. S
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 19:13:53 GMT 1, This forum was a more serene environment when it started but it was moderated, WallKandy tended not to be and if you behaved like a bell end on there you were called out again and again....people on there had long memories and there was no way back.
The serenity ended when the market evolved and urban art became on trend. To buy the unsigned or signed GWB was a decision you could mull over for days and discuss...that's all changed now which is a shame.
The invader thread is representative of all that's changed, there is little dialogue around the image and personally I think it looks better as a concept that in actually will in person and has little longevity. For the money this isn't important but I fear that there are people who drop ยฃ800 or whatever who are misguided. I saw a post recently on 'how do you pay for your urban art' and there were several posts around people spunking their kids trust funds on this or their inheritance from their Granddad, that terrifies me personally.
There was some decent dialogue around Chloe Early's recent release, CH and also the Ian Francis show, Banksy is now out of reach for many. I cannot see why he would bother releasing prints again and seems happy to have returned to what he's best at.
This forum was a more serene environment when it started but it was moderated, WallKandy tended not to be and if you behaved like a bell end on there you were called out again and again....people on there had long memories and there was no way back.
The serenity ended when the market evolved and urban art became on trend. To buy the unsigned or signed GWB was a decision you could mull over for days and discuss...that's all changed now which is a shame.
The invader thread is representative of all that's changed, there is little dialogue around the image and personally I think it looks better as a concept that in actually will in person and has little longevity. For the money this isn't important but I fear that there are people who drop ยฃ800 or whatever who are misguided. I saw a post recently on 'how do you pay for your urban art' and there were several posts around people spunking their kids trust funds on this or their inheritance from their Granddad, that terrifies me personally.
There was some decent dialogue around Chloe Early's recent release, CH and also the Ian Francis show, Banksy is now out of reach for many. I cannot see why he would bother releasing prints again and seems happy to have returned to what he's best at.
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January 1970
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 20:08:05 GMT 1,
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Interesting Times..., by fingerz on Oct 3, 2014 20:29:11 GMT 1, Yes, strange really with this being the Banksy forum and all (nonplussed face smiley). Be nice to see more posters / comments on threads about actual new Banksy street works rather than pages and pages of what one of his prints or canvasses coming up for sale at auction may be worth. I liked both of these new ones, one topical (art event & Buffing) and one topical and controversial (election & Buffing), but most of all I was just pleased to see the lazy fkr back on the street doing something. you f'ing tell him boi .....
Yes, strange really with this being the Banksy forum and all (nonplussed face smiley). Be nice to see more posters / comments on threads about actual new Banksy street works rather than pages and pages of what one of his prints or canvasses coming up for sale at auction may be worth. I liked both of these new ones, one topical (art event & Buffing) and one topical and controversial (election & Buffing), but most of all I was just pleased to see the lazy fkr back on the street doing something. you f'ing tell him boi .....
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Interesting Times..., by maddoghoek100 on Oct 3, 2014 20:46:34 GMT 1, i suppose i am an idealist, but the nice thing about any community is it can be exactly what each of us chooses to make it. if folks are tired of vapid rambling about nonsense, trolling posts looking to get a rise out of people and talk about market values or potential market values then all it takes is each person to making a decision to:
- create value added posts that share real expertise and knowledge about the art, art history, new and emerging art trends - not to troll or post comments exclusively intended to create controversy, and when you see others do it dont rise to the bait - be aware of reselling activity and choose carefully who to do business with. If you dont like people charging 2x for a print day of release dont buy from them
i am always surprised how short the memory can be, everything new is old and this has all happened before. Folks nostalgic for the good old days that never were could probably invest their time and energy more wisely by making today and tomorrow the best it can be. Evidence:
my grand mother lined up at a gallery in 1975 to buy this Alexander Calder print. Lining up to buy art is just in my blood:
i suppose i am an idealist, but the nice thing about any community is it can be exactly what each of us chooses to make it. if folks are tired of vapid rambling about nonsense, trolling posts looking to get a rise out of people and talk about market values or potential market values then all it takes is each person to making a decision to: - create value added posts that share real expertise and knowledge about the art, art history, new and emerging art trends - not to troll or post comments exclusively intended to create controversy, and when you see others do it dont rise to the bait - be aware of reselling activity and choose carefully who to do business with. If you dont like people charging 2x for a print day of release dont buy from them i am always surprised how short the memory can be, everything new is old and this has all happened before. Folks nostalgic for the good old days that never were could probably invest their time and energy more wisely by making today and tomorrow the best it can be. Evidence: my grand mother lined up at a gallery in 1975 to buy this Alexander Calder print. Lining up to buy art is just in my blood:
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July 2014
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Interesting Times..., by jonb on Oct 3, 2014 21:41:41 GMT 1, </div>How much is that print retailing for?
</div>How much is that print retailing for?
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January 1970
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Interesting Times..., by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 2:17:04 GMT 1, auction results
price check on...
prices are too high
prices are too low
for sale on eBay
print disappeared from my cart
LTS the coveted print that just sold out
barf
auction resultsprice check on...prices are too highprices are too lowfor sale on eBayprint disappeared from my cartLTS the coveted print that just sold outbarf
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mega
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January 2014
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Interesting Times..., by mega on Oct 4, 2014 3:04:07 GMT 1, Thank you for the original post and all the comments that have been made...I am a relatively new member to this forum -wanted to share my prospective on the topic you raise as someone who is new to the site this year (although I have been collecting for a bit and yes, it would be crazy to say that on some level future investment doesn't have anything to do with some of my art purchases- but I only buy what i want to keep and like) ...I am on this site on a daily basis and I absolutely look at the for sale and wanted section. I have bought a few things from members and each of those experiences has been good - never even attempted to sell anything on this site....I have to say I am very cautious about making any posts - despite the fact that the limited number of posts is something that many hold against members in terms of buying or selling.
I think that there is some really great information on this site - love reading the articles, looking at the pictures of others collections, being exposed to other different artists... One reason is that while I definitely consider Urban/Street art a love, hobby ...obsession ...I don't have a degree in art and I only know really what I have learned on the internet and my limited exposure to art prior to my exposure to this type of art work..so I read the discussions and absorb what others have to offer (even if I don't necessarily agree with their opinions) ...There are definitely some good people on this site that have great knowledge and can be quite kind...
However, there are a plethora of people who talk out of their rears and those who seem to have some desire to just look for any and every opportunity to pounce on someone. The hyping of some artists/releases and the many "experts" on the pricing, popularity, future of artists ...is totally annoying - but I guess there will always be that type of thing when you have a bunch of people with different personalities - so I just try to ignore it and occasionally make a rude comment to myself about what wankers some of the members are... Just my opinions obviously.. There is a lot to learn from the commentary and members on this site and I am glad you guys are here...
Thank you for the original post and all the comments that have been made...I am a relatively new member to this forum -wanted to share my prospective on the topic you raise as someone who is new to the site this year (although I have been collecting for a bit and yes, it would be crazy to say that on some level future investment doesn't have anything to do with some of my art purchases- but I only buy what i want to keep and like) ...I am on this site on a daily basis and I absolutely look at the for sale and wanted section. I have bought a few things from members and each of those experiences has been good - never even attempted to sell anything on this site....I have to say I am very cautious about making any posts - despite the fact that the limited number of posts is something that many hold against members in terms of buying or selling.
I think that there is some really great information on this site - love reading the articles, looking at the pictures of others collections, being exposed to other different artists... One reason is that while I definitely consider Urban/Street art a love, hobby ...obsession ...I don't have a degree in art and I only know really what I have learned on the internet and my limited exposure to art prior to my exposure to this type of art work..so I read the discussions and absorb what others have to offer (even if I don't necessarily agree with their opinions) ...There are definitely some good people on this site that have great knowledge and can be quite kind...
However, there are a plethora of people who talk out of their rears and those who seem to have some desire to just look for any and every opportunity to pounce on someone. The hyping of some artists/releases and the many "experts" on the pricing, popularity, future of artists ...is totally annoying - but I guess there will always be that type of thing when you have a bunch of people with different personalities - so I just try to ignore it and occasionally make a rude comment to myself about what wankers some of the members are... Just my opinions obviously.. There is a lot to learn from the commentary and members on this site and I am glad you guys are here...
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dreadnatty
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Interesting Times..., by dreadnatty on Oct 4, 2014 3:14:16 GMT 1, Thank you for the original post and all the comments that have been made...I am a relatively new member to this forum -wanted to share my prospective on the topic you raise as someone who is new to the site this year (although I have been collecting for a bit and yes, it would be crazy to say that on some level future investment doesn't have anything to do with some of my art purchases- but I only buy what i want to keep and like) ...I am on this site on a daily basis and I absolutely look at the for sale and wanted section. I have bought a few things from members and each of those experiences has been good - never even attempted to sell anything on this site....I have to say I am very cautious about making any posts - despite the fact that the limited number of posts is something that many hold against members in terms of buying or selling. I think that there is some really great information on this site - love reading the articles, looking at the pictures of others collections, being exposed to other different artists... One reason is that while I definitely consider Urban/Street art a love, hobby ...obsession ...I don't have a degree in art and I only know really what I have learned on the internet and my limited exposure to art prior to my exposure to this type of art work..so I read the discussions and absorb what others have to offer (even if I don't necessarily agree with their opinions) ...There are definitely some good people on this site that have great knowledge and can be quite kind... However, there are a plethora of people who talk out of their rears and those who seem to have some desire to just look for any and every opportunity to pounce on someone. The hyping of some artists/releases and the many "experts" on the pricing, popularity, future of artists ...is totally annoying - but I guess there will always be that type of thing when you have a bunch of people with different personalities - so I just try to ignore it and occasionally make a rude comment to myself about what wankers some of the members are... Just my opinions obviously.. There is a lot to learn from the commentary and members on this site and I am glad you guys are here... Welcome Mega....glad to have you here and dont let the bad eggs get to you. Plenty of great people on the forum. Dont forget, there is always the BLOCK button for those you just dont want to 'see'.
Thank you for the original post and all the comments that have been made...I am a relatively new member to this forum -wanted to share my prospective on the topic you raise as someone who is new to the site this year (although I have been collecting for a bit and yes, it would be crazy to say that on some level future investment doesn't have anything to do with some of my art purchases- but I only buy what i want to keep and like) ...I am on this site on a daily basis and I absolutely look at the for sale and wanted section. I have bought a few things from members and each of those experiences has been good - never even attempted to sell anything on this site....I have to say I am very cautious about making any posts - despite the fact that the limited number of posts is something that many hold against members in terms of buying or selling. I think that there is some really great information on this site - love reading the articles, looking at the pictures of others collections, being exposed to other different artists... One reason is that while I definitely consider Urban/Street art a love, hobby ...obsession ...I don't have a degree in art and I only know really what I have learned on the internet and my limited exposure to art prior to my exposure to this type of art work..so I read the discussions and absorb what others have to offer (even if I don't necessarily agree with their opinions) ...There are definitely some good people on this site that have great knowledge and can be quite kind... However, there are a plethora of people who talk out of their rears and those who seem to have some desire to just look for any and every opportunity to pounce on someone. The hyping of some artists/releases and the many "experts" on the pricing, popularity, future of artists ...is totally annoying - but I guess there will always be that type of thing when you have a bunch of people with different personalities - so I just try to ignore it and occasionally make a rude comment to myself about what wankers some of the members are... Just my opinions obviously.. There is a lot to learn from the commentary and members on this site and I am glad you guys are here... Welcome Mega....glad to have you here and dont let the bad eggs get to you. Plenty of great people on the forum. Dont forget, there is always the BLOCK button for those you just dont want to 'see'.
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mega
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January 2014
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Interesting Times..., by mega on Oct 4, 2014 3:28:28 GMT 1, Thank you !!! I had no idea...that will definitely come in handy...
Thank you !!! I had no idea...that will definitely come in handy...
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