sparky999
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by sparky999 on Oct 4, 2014 8:52:45 GMT 1, Theres one rule i wish everyone would stick to, if you agree to sell a work to someone that should be it, deal done, too many times people have agreed a price and said im getting it only to come back and say they got a higher offer, dont say youve got it unless you mean it, wait until your sure, ive paid too much at times but never backed out once agreed, ive also agreed a price and someone else has offered more but even if money hasnt exchanged hands the deal is confirmed, hindsight is a wonderful thing, dont go back on your word. Once its agreed it means if other works you want are offered you miss out because youre commited to that purchase, if the seller then pulls out you loose out on other purchases.
Deal is a deal - world would be a better place if people stuck to their word.
Theres one rule i wish everyone would stick to, if you agree to sell a work to someone that should be it, deal done, too many times people have agreed a price and said im getting it only to come back and say they got a higher offer, dont say youve got it unless you mean it, wait until your sure, ive paid too much at times but never backed out once agreed, ive also agreed a price and someone else has offered more but even if money hasnt exchanged hands the deal is confirmed, hindsight is a wonderful thing, dont go back on your word. Once its agreed it means if other works you want are offered you miss out because youre commited to that purchase, if the seller then pulls out you loose out on other purchases. Deal is a deal - world would be a better place if people stuck to their word. |
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 9:04:24 GMT 1, Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint!
Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment 
Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment |
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Liverpool ste123 on Oct 4, 2014 9:12:58 GMT 1, Also underhanded & unfair when you reply to a post within minutes but you've already been 'beaten to it'...
Maybe Marvel superheroes do indeed come onto the forum but I suspect it's because the seller is waiting for someone to meet their asking price.
Perfectly fine & up to them but honesty in that matter would really go a long way.
It is what it is! 
Also underhanded & unfair when you reply to a post within minutes but you've already been 'beaten to it'... Maybe Marvel superheroes do indeed come onto the forum but I suspect it's because the seller is waiting for someone to meet their asking price. Perfectly fine & up to them but honesty in that matter would really go a long way. It is what it is! |
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 4, 2014 9:32:41 GMT 1, Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment
Haha it's fucking annoying I agree, we had this mate a car salesman years ago, so every sale it was mint or A1...problem was everything was Mint or A1... 'Had a mint blow job off this girl last night, A1 it was '!! So yes please ban the word mint...
Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment Haha it's fucking annoying I agree, we had this mate a car salesman years ago, so every sale it was mint or A1...problem was everything was Mint or A1... 'Had a mint blow job off this girl last night, A1 it was '!! So yes please ban the word mint... |
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Brushstrokes 75 on Oct 4, 2014 9:36:38 GMT 1, Buyers want to buy at the lowest price & sellers want the most they can get it's logical. I'm with coach. let people decide what they want to do. We all know that adding prices & photos get you more interest than not listing any. I'll also add that people are not exchanging tomatoes here & there are some pieces that are ever unique or rare or expensive so they might not want their pieces totally publicized all over the internet. Yes this is true, however there are also market forces at play which is why generally sales are published or at least published while occurring. When these deals are done behind closed doors it just leaves a lot of room for shady activities and fictitious price inflation. Regarding the expensive and rare aspect, you are correct, then people should say PM for price. If you want an auction then it should be done in an open manner so people know that the bidding is real, and thus not allowing offers being made up by the seller, in order to jack up a price.
I don't wanna be mean here but you need a reality check on this.
It's art everything is done privately. At auction, you don't know who is buying. Auction houses have the right to bid up until the reserve price. So yeah they are fictiously creating interest for people to bid.
God knows if they are never some frauds regarding absentee bids.
On top of that, you can't imagine the way the market is totally manipulated by dealers & high end collectors. They want to maintain the value of their prior investments so they shill bid their artist. Making you think they are more valuable than what you think.
On another note, I think offering stuff here has become so complicated that it might just be easier to just put s***t on ebay.
Buyers want to buy at the lowest price & sellers want the most they can get it's logical. I'm with coach. let people decide what they want to do. We all know that adding prices & photos get you more interest than not listing any. I'll also add that people are not exchanging tomatoes here & there are some pieces that are ever unique or rare or expensive so they might not want their pieces totally publicized all over the internet. Yes this is true, however there are also market forces at play which is why generally sales are published or at least published while occurring. When these deals are done behind closed doors it just leaves a lot of room for shady activities and fictitious price inflation. Regarding the expensive and rare aspect, you are correct, then people should say PM for price. If you want an auction then it should be done in an open manner so people know that the bidding is real, and thus not allowing offers being made up by the seller, in order to jack up a price. I don't wanna be mean here but you need a reality check on this. It's art everything is done privately. At auction, you don't know who is buying. Auction houses have the right to bid up until the reserve price. So yeah they are fictiously creating interest for people to bid. God knows if they are never some frauds regarding absentee bids. On top of that, you can't imagine the way the market is totally manipulated by dealers & high end collectors. They want to maintain the value of their prior investments so they shill bid their artist. Making you think they are more valuable than what you think. On another note, I think offering stuff here has become so complicated that it might just be easier to just put s***t on ebay. |
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.dappy
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by .dappy on Oct 4, 2014 9:47:03 GMT 1,
... the 'rules' are there, but do we really not know what a mr b happy choppers look like?
other less well known artists, you have mr google ...
if there are no pics and you are serious in wanting to buy, pm for pics of the piece ... are you seriously going to buy without seeing the actual piece?
prices ... make an offer and set yourself a ceiling ... you can always walk away ...
A sh1t sales thread will get a sh1t response if you are a seller ... its called advertising ...
the elasticity of supply and demand will set the price of a product as well as the the price the seller is willing to sell for and the value the buyer is willing to pay ... the transaction is between two people to agree ... simples
price, cost, value are not the same thing ... if you look them up it may help you in other areas ... economics lesson over
on a more cheerier note ... there is a 'Good Dealings With Thread' on here ... and you can always ask for references from the seller ...
... the 'rules' are there, but do we really not know what a mr b happy choppers look like?
other less well known artists, you have mr google ...
if there are no pics and you are serious in wanting to buy, pm for pics of the piece ... are you seriously going to buy without seeing the actual piece?
prices ... make an offer and set yourself a ceiling ... you can always walk away ...
A sh1t sales thread will get a sh1t response if you are a seller ... its called advertising ...
the elasticity of supply and demand will set the price of a product as well as the the price the seller is willing to sell for and the value the buyer is willing to pay ... the transaction is between two people to agree ... simples
price, cost, value are not the same thing ... if you look them up it may help you in other areas ... economics lesson over
on a more cheerier note ... there is a 'Good Dealings With Thread' on here ... and you can always ask for references from the seller ...
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 9:54:38 GMT 1, Type description in,as accurate as possible.
Insert picture of item on offer.
Type in asking price and if open to a fair offer or trade then state so.
Reply to any PMs regardless of how silly they may seemingly be as this is good manners.
its common sense not rocket science.
Type description in,as accurate as possible.
Insert picture of item on offer.
Type in asking price and if open to a fair offer or trade then state so.
Reply to any PMs regardless of how silly they may seemingly be as this is good manners.
its common sense not rocket science.
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pulse
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by pulse on Oct 4, 2014 9:56:27 GMT 1, I reckon to post something for sale on here you should name a price. Otherwise delete it. Ebay is the place for offers.
this
I reckon to post something for sale on here you should name a price. Otherwise delete it. Ebay is the place for offers. this |
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richskara
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by richskara on Oct 4, 2014 10:12:08 GMT 1, Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment
Couldn't agree more. None of your prints are mint if they have been sent to you by the gallery/artist/publisher rolled in a tube.
They effectively stop being mint the first time someone lays an ungloved hand on them.
Record collecting is my first love and the amount of mint or near mint ratings you get is ridiculous. A record is only mint if still factory sealed.
Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment Couldn't agree more. None of your prints are mint if they have been sent to you by the gallery/artist/publisher rolled in a tube. They effectively stop being mint the first time someone lays an ungloved hand on them. Record collecting is my first love and the amount of mint or near mint ratings you get is ridiculous. A record is only mint if still factory sealed. |
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sgolby
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by sgolby on Oct 4, 2014 13:20:27 GMT 1, Type description in,as accurate as possible. Insert picture of item on offer. Type in asking price and if open to a fair offer or trade then state so. Reply to any PMs regardless of how silly they may seemingly be as this is good manners. its common sense not rocket science.
Type description in,as accurate as possible. Insert picture of item on offer. Type in asking price and if open to a fair offer or trade then state so. Reply to any PMs regardless of how silly they may seemingly be as this is good manners. its common sense not rocket science. Perfection! |
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sgolby
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by sgolby on Oct 4, 2014 13:24:59 GMT 1, Yes this is true, however there are also market forces at play which is why generally sales are published or at least published while occurring. When these deals are done behind closed doors it just leaves a lot of room for shady activities and fictitious price inflation. Regarding the expensive and rare aspect, you are correct, then people should say PM for price. If you want an auction then it should be done in an open manner so people know that the bidding is real, and thus not allowing offers being made up by the seller, in order to jack up a price. I don't wanna be mean here but you need a reality check on this. It's art everything is done privately. At auction, you don't know who is buying. Auction houses have the right to bid up until the reserve price. So yeah they are fictiously creating interest for people to bid. God knows if they are never some frauds regarding absentee bids. On top of that, you can't imagine the way the market is totally manipulated by dealers & high end collectors. They want to maintain the value of their prior investments so they shill bid their artist. Making you think they are more valuable than what you think. On another note, I think offering stuff here has become so complicated that it might just be easier to just put s***t on ebay.
Yes this is true, however there are also market forces at play which is why generally sales are published or at least published while occurring. When these deals are done behind closed doors it just leaves a lot of room for shady activities and fictitious price inflation. Regarding the expensive and rare aspect, you are correct, then people should say PM for price. If you want an auction then it should be done in an open manner so people know that the bidding is real, and thus not allowing offers being made up by the seller, in order to jack up a price. I don't wanna be mean here but you need a reality check on this. It's art everything is done privately. At auction, you don't know who is buying. Auction houses have the right to bid up until the reserve price. So yeah they are fictiously creating interest for people to bid. God knows if they are never some frauds regarding absentee bids. On top of that, you can't imagine the way the market is totally manipulated by dealers & high end collectors. They want to maintain the value of their prior investments so they shill bid their artist. Making you think they are more valuable than what you think. On another note, I think offering stuff here has become so complicated that it might just be easier to just put s***t on ebay. Thank you for the reality check, but you didn't understand what i was saying. The bidding is done in a manner that is public. Meaning shill bid, or gallery, people can see what the prices are. I am not commenting on the validity of value or the dirty stuff that goes on in the art world, perhaps i should have said deals done behind closed doors leaves a lot more room for shady business. There was a thread about that a few weeks ago. I am only talking about pricing being stated in the initial sales thread. |
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dotdot
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by dotdot on Oct 4, 2014 15:04:49 GMT 1, No rules ...thought about it the past , but then ...if it's a junk ad people will ignore it..
Long threads are junk... As well
No rules ...thought about it the past , but then ...if it's a junk ad people will ignore it.. Long threads are junk... As well |
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Lesson1
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Lesson1 on Oct 4, 2014 15:13:46 GMT 1, Only bought a couple of things off members and both went smooth and well. Also, both stated asking prices and I paid exactly that. I Don't get sales threads with no prices and they don't get my money....
Only bought a couple of things off members and both went smooth and well. Also, both stated asking prices and I paid exactly that. I Don't get sales threads with no prices and they don't get my money....
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Johnnyroyale
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Johnnyroyale on Oct 4, 2014 19:59:12 GMT 1, Works both ways in my experience when a price is set you get pms from tyre kickers and offers knocking the price down -imo best left to the interested parties to agree a price that they are both happy with -alternatively buy and sell on ebay
Works both ways in my experience when a price is set you get pms from tyre kickers and offers knocking the price down -imo best left to the interested parties to agree a price that they are both happy with -alternatively buy and sell on ebay
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curiousgeorge
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by curiousgeorge on Oct 4, 2014 20:06:03 GMT 1, I am going to keep try to keep this short. To allow people to take offers in private opens the floodgate for fraudulent claims of offer size. As such, no post should be allowed without a stated price. For example: I have a piece that I list without a price and say offers only. Person A makes me the first offer for $500 I say I have already received offers for $550 Person A increases their offer to $600 based on a fraudulent claim that a higher offer was made. The fact that so many of these are popping up now is ridiculous. If you want to do an auction, have folks bid on the thread. That is transparent. All in agreement, please like this post. All not in agreement, go ahead and feel free to explain why. S EDIT - "go ahead and whine about my post" that was nasty, shouldn't have tried to shame people with other opinions. My Apologies. S
I've tried buying about 8 prints this year,majority of them I was chasing on ebay only to find them offered on here.Things I've learnt this year..
Sometimes the seller will tell you that it was on eBay
Sometimes they will tell you why it's on here after 'selling' on eBay
The seller will always want more than the eBay 'selling' price
I am going to keep try to keep this short. To allow people to take offers in private opens the floodgate for fraudulent claims of offer size. As such, no post should be allowed without a stated price. For example: I have a piece that I list without a price and say offers only. Person A makes me the first offer for $500 I say I have already received offers for $550 Person A increases their offer to $600 based on a fraudulent claim that a higher offer was made. The fact that so many of these are popping up now is ridiculous. If you want to do an auction, have folks bid on the thread. That is transparent. All in agreement, please like this post. All not in agreement, go ahead and feel free to explain why. S EDIT - "go ahead and whine about my post" that was nasty, shouldn't have tried to shame people with other opinions. My Apologies. S Seems perfectly logical and reasonable. Thus it has no place on the forum. This place turned into EB a long time ago. I've tried buying about 8 prints this year,majority of them I was chasing on ebay only to find them offered on here.Things I've learnt this year.. Sometimes the seller will tell you that it was on eBay Sometimes they will tell you why it's on here after 'selling' on eBay The seller will always want more than the eBay 'selling' price |
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Poster Bob
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Poster Bob on Oct 4, 2014 20:44:40 GMT 1, Every single Banksy I have ever bought was advertised as mint. Every single one arrived in excellent condition; so I'd hate to buy anything advertised as excellent.
Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment
Every single Banksy I have ever bought was advertised as mint. Every single one arrived in excellent condition; so I'd hate to buy anything advertised as excellent. Oh aye, can people stop calling everything mint, unless its been stored flat using the right materials from new it aint mint, if its been framed it aint mint, if its been stored in tube for 10 years it aint mint and if a blob of ketchup falls off your sausage roll and you wipe off dead quick it aint mint! Edit nothing wrong with it being framed etc (ketchup not so good) just dont call it mint it will inevitably cause disappointment |
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johnnyh
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by johnnyh on Oct 5, 2014 11:21:07 GMT 1, Sgolby think it's fine just as it is. It's called a negotiation and it works both ways. If something is hanging around and not selling you can send over a low offer. If something is in demand it is understandable that there are offers in.
It's up to the seller who they sell to and at what price.....it's up to the buyer to buy or not. Too much don't buy it there is not a shortage of art for sale. Sometimes when you walk the seller comes back sometimes they don't etc etc... Why there is a need for more rules I have no idea...all that will happen is there will be loads of arguments about whether the rules were broken or not.
just don't be too desperate to buy and choose the pieces you buy...your scenarios I assume are generally based on pieces that are being flipped..don't buy them....it's easy
Sgolby think it's fine just as it is. It's called a negotiation and it works both ways. If something is hanging around and not selling you can send over a low offer. If something is in demand it is understandable that there are offers in.
It's up to the seller who they sell to and at what price.....it's up to the buyer to buy or not. Too much don't buy it there is not a shortage of art for sale. Sometimes when you walk the seller comes back sometimes they don't etc etc... Why there is a need for more rules I have no idea...all that will happen is there will be loads of arguments about whether the rules were broken or not.
just don't be too desperate to buy and choose the pieces you buy...your scenarios I assume are generally based on pieces that are being flipped..don't buy them....it's easy
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 5:05:04 GMT 1, Instead of a new rule, can we just have a script written on the forum that automatically changes the word 'offers' to 'I want as much money as possible' in the sales thread? That's how I usually read it anyway.
Instead of a new rule, can we just have a script written on the forum that automatically changes the word 'offers' to 'I want as much money as possible' in the sales thread? That's how I usually read it anyway.
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WOOF
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by WOOF on Oct 6, 2014 5:17:48 GMT 1, Is there anyone that doesn't want as much as possible when they sell something with arbitrary value?
Is there anyone that doesn't want as much as possible when they sell something with arbitrary value?
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by I like pictures on Oct 6, 2014 17:17:43 GMT 1, I will be selling a lot of my prints very soon but have no idea what current market values are for them. Not wanting to risk the wrath of fury for asking for offers. Having had a PM chat with Json I understand print values have gone through the roof in period I have been away from the forum. Therefore I have no idea what many of my prints are worth not only for resale value but also insurance, I only have a small amount of cover and have a feeling i'll need to raise it quite a lot if that is the case. Where can I find this out without putting a list of what I have on here and asking for peoples opinions on its worth?
I will be selling a lot of my prints very soon but have no idea what current market values are for them. Not wanting to risk the wrath of fury for asking for offers. Having had a PM chat with Json I understand print values have gone through the roof in period I have been away from the forum. Therefore I have no idea what many of my prints are worth not only for resale value but also insurance, I only have a small amount of cover and have a feeling i'll need to raise it quite a lot if that is the case. Where can I find this out without putting a list of what I have on here and asking for peoples opinions on its worth?
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by Happy Shopper on Oct 6, 2014 17:36:18 GMT 1, I will be selling a lot of my prints very soon but have no idea what current market values are for them. Not wanting to risk the wrath of fury for asking for offers. Having had a PM chat with Json I understand print values have gone through the roof in period I have been away from the forum. Therefore I have no idea what many of my prints are worth not only for resale value but also insurance, I only have a small amount of cover and have a feeling i'll need to raise it quite a lot if that is the case. Where can I find this out without putting a list of what I have on here and asking for peoples opinions on its worth?
If you don't know an asking price, how do you know the offers you get are good?
Look at eBay completed listings, start watching new ones, check out sale prices on here, and ask galleries (There's a few on here.)
I will be selling a lot of my prints very soon but have no idea what current market values are for them. Not wanting to risk the wrath of fury for asking for offers. Having had a PM chat with Json I understand print values have gone through the roof in period I have been away from the forum. Therefore I have no idea what many of my prints are worth not only for resale value but also insurance, I only have a small amount of cover and have a feeling i'll need to raise it quite a lot if that is the case. Where can I find this out without putting a list of what I have on here and asking for peoples opinions on its worth? If you don't know an asking price, how do you know the offers you get are good? Look at eBay completed listings, start watching new ones, check out sale prices on here, and ask galleries (There's a few on here.) |
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CAN WE INSTATE NEW RULES FOR SELLING???, by I like pictures on Oct 6, 2014 17:57:43 GMT 1, I can tell by what people are offering what is a good/fair price. Most people on here are decent people and while a few will always lowball most would if interested offer around market values I believe. Ebay/FS thread hasn't sold the prints ill be selling in a long time so not sure how to gauge in that respect. Asking galleries is a good one will try that if needed. Thanks.
I can tell by what people are offering what is a good/fair price. Most people on here are decent people and while a few will always lowball most would if interested offer around market values I believe. Ebay/FS thread hasn't sold the prints ill be selling in a long time so not sure how to gauge in that respect. Asking galleries is a good one will try that if needed. Thanks.
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