pulse
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Split-mount framing, by pulse on Dec 20, 2014 10:57:17 GMT 1, Hi guys,
I've just bought a large Harland Miller print (High on Hope), which is so big my framer says they can't get mount board large enough to frame it... he suggested split-mounting, but I wondered whether you had any clever ideas that might avoid the need for split-mounting, or if you had any examples of split mounting that didn't look a bit rubbish?!
Thanks!
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Sorry - should have said it's 149x110cm
Hi guys,
I've just bought a large Harland Miller print (High on Hope), which is so big my framer says they can't get mount board large enough to frame it... he suggested split-mounting, but I wondered whether you had any clever ideas that might avoid the need for split-mounting, or if you had any examples of split mounting that didn't look a bit rubbish?!
Thanks!
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Sorry - should have said it's 149x110cm
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craigf
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Split-mount framing, by craigf on Dec 20, 2014 11:10:54 GMT 1, I had a very large piece done the same way quite some years ago. Your concern re it looking a bit rubbish is sadly well founded.... I guess its ok, but would be so much better without a seam
I had a very large piece done the same way quite some years ago. Your concern re it looking a bit rubbish is sadly well founded.... I guess its ok, but would be so much better without a seam
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Aza
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Split-mount framing, by Aza on Dec 20, 2014 11:13:39 GMT 1, Why don't you copy the frames that have already appeared for this print?
I don't know who your framer is, but I would even go as far as using the same framers that have done others, JohnJones possibly.
Yes it will cost a small fortune, but then the cost of this print warrants it 
Why don't you copy the frames that have already appeared for this print? I don't know who your framer is, but I would even go as far as using the same framers that have done others, JohnJones possibly. Yes it will cost a small fortune, but then the cost of this print warrants it |
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Split-mount framing, by iamzero on Dec 20, 2014 14:50:14 GMT 1, If just frame it right to the edge with some conservation spacers on it.
If just frame it right to the edge with some conservation spacers on it.
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pulse
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Split-mount framing, by pulse on Dec 21, 2014 22:30:44 GMT 1, Thanks guys - I'll have a look at the ways it has been framed already online by others.
Conservation spacers sound interesting too, I'll go and check them out as I haven't heard of them before.
Cheers!
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Thanks guys - I'll have a look at the ways it has been framed already online by others.
Conservation spacers sound interesting too, I'll go and check them out as I haven't heard of them before.
Cheers!
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Split-mount framing, by Aza on Dec 21, 2014 22:45:30 GMT 1, Here's an example, the print goes all the way to the edge of the frame.
I would definitely suggest museum glass too. It will cost a lot, but will be stunning for a print of this size, and based on the value of the print, it will be worth it.
Here's an example, the print goes all the way to the edge of the frame. I would definitely suggest museum glass too. It will cost a lot, but will be stunning for a print of this size, and based on the value of the print, it will be worth it. |
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met
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Split-mount framing, by met on Dec 22, 2014 1:51:46 GMT 1, Hi guys, I've just bought a large Harland Miller print (High on Hope), which is so big my framer says they can't get mount board large enough to frame it... he suggested split-mounting, but I wondered whether you had any clever ideas that might avoid the need for split-mounting, or if you had any examples of split mounting that didn't look a bit rubbish?! Thanks! P Sorry - should have said it's 149x110cm
My recommendation would be to switch framers, at least for this job.
I can find mount board online of a size that suits your needs, and I'm not even in the business:
www.nielsenonline.co.uk/pages/page/024-025.html
If your own framer wasn't able to, then ask yourself how much experience they probably have in framing large works on paper.
Do you really want to trust them with your expensive print? The choice of adhesive alone for a work of that size and weight requires specialist knowledge.
In case you're London-based and okay with not scrimping, try John Jones. Once you visit the custom-built, Finsbury Park studio they moved into earlier this year, you won't want to go anywhere else.
Hi guys, I've just bought a large Harland Miller print (High on Hope), which is so big my framer says they can't get mount board large enough to frame it... he suggested split-mounting, but I wondered whether you had any clever ideas that might avoid the need for split-mounting, or if you had any examples of split mounting that didn't look a bit rubbish?! Thanks! P Sorry - should have said it's 149x110cm My recommendation would be to switch framers, at least for this job. I can find mount board online of a size that suits your needs, and I'm not even in the business: www.nielsenonline.co.uk/pages/page/024-025.html If your own framer wasn't able to, then ask yourself how much experience they probably have in framing large works on paper. Do you really want to trust them with your expensive print? The choice of adhesive alone for a work of that size and weight requires specialist knowledge. In case you're London-based and okay with not scrimping, try John Jones. Once you visit the custom-built, Finsbury Park studio they moved into earlier this year, you won't want to go anywhere else. |
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Split-mount framing, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 2:04:37 GMT 1, I thought Jumbo ar arqadia was bigger, this is just slightly larger and will work if framing tight but wont be able to have space all round.
www.arqadia.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?id=204&itemno=SSS089001
Im positive there is mountboard larger though if they search
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Split-mount framing, by iamzero on Dec 22, 2014 8:14:39 GMT 1, Not sure I agree with the last two comments on suppliers. Yes it's looks like those mount board companies do a 1700mm board but if you print is 1500mm then that board is still too small. I self frame and have experience in problems like this. Curious George could be the best person on here to answer this problem.
Not sure I agree with the last two comments on suppliers. Yes it's looks like those mount board companies do a 1700mm board but if you print is 1500mm then that board is still too small. I self frame and have experience in problems like this. Curious George could be the best person on here to answer this problem.
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Split-mount framing, by abacus on Dec 22, 2014 8:16:23 GMT 1, John Jones did a 150x200 film poster for me years ago just as Aza described and it came out beautifully. If I had your print that's what I would do. They actually used a white aluminium frame rather than wood given the size, but you could not tell the difference. I remember being especially impressed when we went there and the guy pulled on white gloves before opening the poster tube and handling it (first time I saw that kind of care). But, as others have mentioned they are expensive (the frame and framing was much more than the poster cost itself). The other framer I have used and would trust with your beautiful piece is Ricardo Pauli (pauliframes).
John Jones did a 150x200 film poster for me years ago just as Aza described and it came out beautifully. If I had your print that's what I would do. They actually used a white aluminium frame rather than wood given the size, but you could not tell the difference. I remember being especially impressed when we went there and the guy pulled on white gloves before opening the poster tube and handling it (first time I saw that kind of care). But, as others have mentioned they are expensive (the frame and framing was much more than the poster cost itself). The other framer I have used and would trust with your beautiful piece is Ricardo Pauli (pauliframes).
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Split-mount framing, by Stopki on Dec 22, 2014 9:02:31 GMT 1, Personally stay away from john Jones - they are seriously overpriced and I had to have something frmaes three times after their quality control was awful
Personally stay away from john Jones - they are seriously overpriced and I had to have something frmaes three times after their quality control was awful
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Split-mount framing, by Stopki on Dec 22, 2014 9:32:10 GMT 1, Personally stay away from john Jones - they are seriously overpriced and I had to have something frmaes three times after their quality control was awful I also had a very negative experience with John Jones. Incompetence of the highest order and an attitude to go with it. Never again.
Totally agree
And I swear they damaged my painting too
There are so many good framers avoid at all costs john Jones
Personally stay away from john Jones - they are seriously overpriced and I had to have something frmaes three times after their quality control was awful I also had a very negative experience with John Jones. Incompetence of the highest order and an attitude to go with it. Never again. Totally agree And I swear they damaged my painting too There are so many good framers avoid at all costs john Jones |
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Split-mount framing, by abacus on Dec 22, 2014 9:41:46 GMT 1, Hm, admittedly haven't used them for years, but that does not sound good (even though the three jobs they did for me were all immaculate). At least can vouch for Ricardo Pauli. Have used him very recently, and he did a great job on a big piece.
Hm, admittedly haven't used them for years, but that does not sound good (even though the three jobs they did for me were all immaculate). At least can vouch for Ricardo Pauli. Have used him very recently, and he did a great job on a big piece.
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Split-mount framing, by Mister Frame Man on Dec 22, 2014 10:19:47 GMT 1, I had a very large piece done the same way quite some years ago. Your concern re it looking a bit rubbish is sadly well founded.... I guess its ok, but would be so much better without a seam
I had a very large piece done the same way quite some years ago. Your concern re it looking a bit rubbish is sadly well founded.... I guess its ok, but would be so much better without a seam Mount board large enough to frame it is readily available! |
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Split-mount framing, by eschiff on Dec 22, 2014 10:57:16 GMT 1, I also had a very negative experience with John Jones. Incompetence of the highest order and an attitude to go with it. Never again. Totally agree And I swear they damaged my painting too There are so many good framers avoid at all costs john Jones
There's a reason most galleries and artists use them. They're certainly not the cheapest, but why trust nice art with shit framers?
I also had a very negative experience with John Jones. Incompetence of the highest order and an attitude to go with it. Never again. Totally agree And I swear they damaged my painting too There are so many good framers avoid at all costs john Jones that's interesting. I have four pieces framed by John Jones and they were nothing but super professional and the framing is top notch. It's also a great space to go and explore as there's always some amazing art there that you can meander around and see. There's a reason most galleries and artists use them. They're certainly not the cheapest, but why trust nice art with shit framers? |
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Split-mount framing, by eschiff on Dec 22, 2014 12:53:24 GMT 1, huh, that's a shame. the guy i've worked there has been nothing but wonderful. They have a database there (not revolutionary i know) but when i go to frame things they look up what i've framed previously and try to work with the overall aesthetic of my collection which is pretty amazing.
Guess maybe you got unlucky which is unfortunate!
huh, that's a shame. the guy i've worked there has been nothing but wonderful. They have a database there (not revolutionary i know) but when i go to frame things they look up what i've framed previously and try to work with the overall aesthetic of my collection which is pretty amazing.
Guess maybe you got unlucky which is unfortunate!
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Split-mount framing, by jusdeep on Dec 22, 2014 13:17:25 GMT 1, To be honest the same can be said about most framers and a lot who are revered on this forum. Obviously there's good and bad experiences as with everything. I've had to send pieces back In the past for bad frame construcion and dinks or poor mounting, but I've seen and heard far worse stories of high-value items damaged by lack of attention or unarchival practices.
As Denada has said, 'Get a framer you trust and can deal directly with. They're worth their weight in gold when it comes to framing expensive art.'
Do your research on the framer, their experience, their policies, insurance, take photos of the art before framing, the kind of art they frame, the materials they use and always be specific down to the minutest detail otherwise you don't have a leg to stand on when your print comes back with a smudge, mark or damage caused by poor framing practices. It's your word against theirs and make sure everything is down in writing.
To be honest the same can be said about most framers and a lot who are revered on this forum. Obviously there's good and bad experiences as with everything. I've had to send pieces back In the past for bad frame construcion and dinks or poor mounting, but I've seen and heard far worse stories of high-value items damaged by lack of attention or unarchival practices.
As Denada has said, 'Get a framer you trust and can deal directly with. They're worth their weight in gold when it comes to framing expensive art.'
Do your research on the framer, their experience, their policies, insurance, take photos of the art before framing, the kind of art they frame, the materials they use and always be specific down to the minutest detail otherwise you don't have a leg to stand on when your print comes back with a smudge, mark or damage caused by poor framing practices. It's your word against theirs and make sure everything is down in writing.
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Split-mount framing, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 13:17:46 GMT 1, As some above said, I would frame to the edge so that print sit nicely in frame and use some spacer indeed. Print is big so glass means it shall be heavy, you may opt for perspex sheet with UV protection.
As some above said, I would frame to the edge so that print sit nicely in frame and use some spacer indeed. Print is big so glass means it shall be heavy, you may opt for perspex sheet with UV protection.
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Split-mount framing, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 13:36:00 GMT 1, To be honest the same can be said about most framers and a lot who are revered on this forum. Obviously there's good and bad experiences as with everything. I've had to send pieces back In the past for bad frame construcion and dinks or poor mounting, but I've seen and heard far worse stories of high-value items damaged by lack of attention or unarchival practices. As Denada has said, 'Get a framer you trust and can deal directly with. They're worth their weight in gold when it comes to framing expensive art.' Do your research on the framer, their experience, their policies, insurance, take photos of the art before framing, the kind of art they frame, the materials they use and always be specific down to the minutest detail otherwise you don't have a leg to stand on when your print comes back with a smudge, mark or damage caused by poor framing practices. It's your word against theirs and make sure everything is down in writing. 
To be honest the same can be said about most framers and a lot who are revered on this forum. Obviously there's good and bad experiences as with everything. I've had to send pieces back In the past for bad frame construcion and dinks or poor mounting, but I've seen and heard far worse stories of high-value items damaged by lack of attention or unarchival practices. As Denada has said, 'Get a framer you trust and can deal directly with. They're worth their weight in gold when it comes to framing expensive art.' Do your research on the framer, their experience, their policies, insurance, take photos of the art before framing, the kind of art they frame, the materials they use and always be specific down to the minutest detail otherwise you don't have a leg to stand on when your print comes back with a smudge, mark or damage caused by poor framing practices. It's your word against theirs and make sure everything is down in writing. I bought a hand finished Banksy last week, when i took it out of the frame it was drymounted, apparently the missus of the seller took it to get framed as a 40th birthday surprise, real shame, was a cracking piece |
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Split-mount framing, by pulse on Dec 22, 2014 17:19:35 GMT 1, To be honest the same can be said about most framers and a lot who are revered on this forum. Obviously there's good and bad experiences as with everything. I've had to send pieces back In the past for bad frame construcion and dinks or poor mounting, but I've seen and heard far worse stories of high-value items damaged by lack of attention or unarchival practices. As Denada has said, 'Get a framer you trust and can deal directly with. They're worth their weight in gold when it comes to framing expensive art.' Do your research on the framer, their experience, their policies, insurance, take photos of the art before framing, the kind of art they frame, the materials they use and always be specific down to the minutest detail otherwise you don't have a leg to stand on when your print comes back with a smudge, mark or damage caused by poor framing practices. It's your word against theirs and make sure everything is down in writing.
This sounds like very good advice! Interesting to hear such a spread of opinions about people's experiences - thanks for all the advice and feedback. I've dropped a cheap print into the framers to see what they do with it and how they go about framing it up. I'll let you know how it goes and will put some pictures up when I finally have the balls to get the Harland Miller done!
To be honest the same can be said about most framers and a lot who are revered on this forum. Obviously there's good and bad experiences as with everything. I've had to send pieces back In the past for bad frame construcion and dinks or poor mounting, but I've seen and heard far worse stories of high-value items damaged by lack of attention or unarchival practices. As Denada has said, 'Get a framer you trust and can deal directly with. They're worth their weight in gold when it comes to framing expensive art.' Do your research on the framer, their experience, their policies, insurance, take photos of the art before framing, the kind of art they frame, the materials they use and always be specific down to the minutest detail otherwise you don't have a leg to stand on when your print comes back with a smudge, mark or damage caused by poor framing practices. It's your word against theirs and make sure everything is down in writing. This sounds like very good advice! Interesting to hear such a spread of opinions about people's experiences - thanks for all the advice and feedback. I've dropped a cheap print into the framers to see what they do with it and how they go about framing it up. I'll let you know how it goes and will put some pictures up when I finally have the balls to get the Harland Miller done! |
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