wolv212
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by wolv212 on Jan 19, 2015 1:04:27 GMT 1, Hi all,
I know rippling has been covered previously, but just wondering people's experience if a print showed no previous signs of rippling either in/out of the frame and now suddenly shows up in a new frame?
I just acquired my holy grail Barcode, got it framed by a relatively expensive framer highly recommended by two forum members and has been in business for 30 years, does work for museums, galleries and high end collectors.
The print had been previously framed, acquired by a reputable online gallery (and active forum member), removed out of old frame by Graham Bignell (who didn't note any rippling when I spoke with him) and shipped to me flat.
Framed print was dropped off to me on Friday and after hanging it up, I immediately noticed rippling along the top. After trading a few voicemails, the framer assured me this is natural for the paper and not anything due to the framing. The only way to eliminate rippling was to float or dry mount. He said this in a bit of condescending tone, mentioned if I was an experienced collector I would know rippling is not a concern. He offered to take back and open it up just to appease, but now I'm thinking I just want to go to another framer. My home is not overly humid/dry. I just find it strange this rippling suddenly happened and I really can't fully enjoy the art now on my wall.
Any opinions on what to do?
Thank you for your help!
Hi all, I know rippling has been covered previously, but just wondering people's experience if a print showed no previous signs of rippling either in/out of the frame and now suddenly shows up in a new frame? I just acquired my holy grail Barcode, got it framed by a relatively expensive framer highly recommended by two forum members and has been in business for 30 years, does work for museums, galleries and high end collectors. The print had been previously framed, acquired by a reputable online gallery (and active forum member), removed out of old frame by Graham Bignell (who didn't note any rippling when I spoke with him) and shipped to me flat. Framed print was dropped off to me on Friday and after hanging it up, I immediately noticed rippling along the top. After trading a few voicemails, the framer assured me this is natural for the paper and not anything due to the framing. The only way to eliminate rippling was to float or dry mount. He said this in a bit of condescending tone, mentioned if I was an experienced collector I would know rippling is not a concern. He offered to take back and open it up just to appease, but now I'm thinking I just want to go to another framer. My home is not overly humid/dry. I just find it strange this rippling suddenly happened and I really can't fully enjoy the art now on my wall. Any opinions on what to do? Thank you for your help! |
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Black Apple Art
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Black Apple Art on Jan 19, 2015 1:17:24 GMT 1, Most of the time "ripples" are not seen until hung and there are angled light sources casting showdowns unseen before. It is very rare that I receive prints that I do have flattened as I have horrible OCD for most imperfections and most pieces naturally have them. First thing is to locate a quality restorer which I am very lucky to have. It's a very simple process but always check and have them explain exactly what they are doing and the process. Have seen many take pieces to be flattened and ended up loosing their stamping or other raised or recessed authentication features because of outdated techniques.
Most of the time "ripples" are not seen until hung and there are angled light sources casting showdowns unseen before. It is very rare that I receive prints that I do have flattened as I have horrible OCD for most imperfections and most pieces naturally have them. First thing is to locate a quality restorer which I am very lucky to have. It's a very simple process but always check and have them explain exactly what they are doing and the process. Have seen many take pieces to be flattened and ended up loosing their stamping or other raised or recessed authentication features because of outdated techniques.
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Unica
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Unica on Jan 19, 2015 1:23:04 GMT 1, Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer?
Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer?
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wolv212
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by wolv212 on Jan 19, 2015 1:38:47 GMT 1, Yea, this being a signed Barcode makes me even more anal/OCD in this case 
Depending on the means of restoration, doesn't it potentially hurt the value of the print?
I did not see any rippling in any of the previous pics prior to purchase, nor was it noted by the gallery or restorer who removed it from the previous frame.
Yea, this being a signed Barcode makes me even more anal/OCD in this case Depending on the means of restoration, doesn't it potentially hurt the value of the print? I did not see any rippling in any of the previous pics prior to purchase, nor was it noted by the gallery or restorer who removed it from the previous frame. |
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 1:53:17 GMT 1, Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer?
Cockling is common in many prints as a result of the printing process, as well as day-by-day interference from atmospheric elements. It's widely accepted in fine art that no attempt should be made to flatten the print, as usually, flattening requires humidifying the paper to make it limber, after which it is pressed between two flat surfaces until dry. In short, it's a temporary fix.
Paper by nature is not flat unless forced to be so, my advice would be to have it float mounted and enjoy it as the living, breathing thing it's supposed to be.
Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer? Cockling is common in many prints as a result of the printing process, as well as day-by-day interference from atmospheric elements. It's widely accepted in fine art that no attempt should be made to flatten the print, as usually, flattening requires humidifying the paper to make it limber, after which it is pressed between two flat surfaces until dry. In short, it's a temporary fix. Paper by nature is not flat unless forced to be so, my advice would be to have it float mounted and enjoy it as the living, breathing thing it's supposed to be. |
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Black Apple Art
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Black Apple Art on Jan 19, 2015 2:30:24 GMT 1, Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer?
There are just a fine few I had floated that had very slight deformations return but every single piece I had them flatten then framed and matted are flawless and have been for many years. Wish I took before and after pics.
Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer? I use www.postermountain.com/ as does a large amount of museums and collectors from all over the country. They also handle a large amount of the Warhol estate pieces as well. PM does not use the typical flattening system as referred to above and actually have a patented proprietary system they use which is why so many send pieces to them. It is NOT a press system so it leaves all stamps ect unmolested. There are just a fine few I had floated that had very slight deformations return but every single piece I had them flatten then framed and matted are flawless and have been for many years. Wish I took before and after pics. |
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Unica
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Unica on Jan 19, 2015 3:14:11 GMT 1, Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer? I use www.postermountain.com/ as does a large amount of museums and collectors from all over the country. They also handle a large amount of the Warhol estate pieces as well. PM does not use the typical flattening system as referred to above and actually have a patented proprietary system they use which is why so many send pieces to them. It is NOT a press system so it leaves all stamps ect unmolested. There are just a fine few I had floated that had very slight deformations return but every single piece I had them flatten then framed and matted are flawless and have been for many years. Wish I took before and after pics.
Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer? I use www.postermountain.com/ as does a large amount of museums and collectors from all over the country. They also handle a large amount of the Warhol estate pieces as well. PM does not use the typical flattening system as referred to above and actually have a patented proprietary system they use which is why so many send pieces to them. It is NOT a press system so it leaves all stamps ect unmolested. There are just a fine few I had floated that had very slight deformations return but every single piece I had them flatten then framed and matted are flawless and have been for many years. Wish I took before and after pics. Thanks for sharing Black Apple. |
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Harveyn on Jan 19, 2015 8:29:41 GMT 1, Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer? Cockling is common in many prints as a result of the printing process, as well as day-by-day interference from atmospheric elements. It's widely accepted in fine art that no attempt should be made to flatten the print, as usually, flattening requires humidifying the paper to make it limber, after which it is pressed between two flat surfaces until dry. In short, it's a temporary fix. Paper by nature is not flat unless forced to be so, my advice would be to have it float mounted and enjoy it as the living, breathing thing it's supposed to be. I 100% agree with this sentiment. Any prints I have are float mounted to avoid fade marks from behind the mount. This will happen over time irrespective of the glass used etc. So for me use museum, float mount and avoid direct sunlight. That way fading will be minimal, even across the print and undetectable.
Because all my prints are float mounted I get to see the amount paper moves throughout the year. It really is incredible the amount it moves back and forth. As Skip said enjoy its living and breathing.
Well I can see why your concerned, thats a signed Barcode. Did it show any kind of rippling in its previous frame? It would drive me nuts. Black Apple I have a similar print rippled, would you care to share your restorer? Cockling is common in many prints as a result of the printing process, as well as day-by-day interference from atmospheric elements. It's widely accepted in fine art that no attempt should be made to flatten the print, as usually, flattening requires humidifying the paper to make it limber, after which it is pressed between two flat surfaces until dry. In short, it's a temporary fix. Paper by nature is not flat unless forced to be so, my advice would be to have it float mounted and enjoy it as the living, breathing thing it's supposed to be. I 100% agree with this sentiment. Any prints I have are float mounted to avoid fade marks from behind the mount. This will happen over time irrespective of the glass used etc. So for me use museum, float mount and avoid direct sunlight. That way fading will be minimal, even across the print and undetectable.
Because all my prints are float mounted I get to see the amount paper moves throughout the year. It really is incredible the amount it moves back and forth. As Skip said enjoy its living and breathing.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by rioja on Jan 19, 2015 10:53:40 GMT 1, I'd ignore the cockling and change your lighting. At present you've got it lit from one side only and the light source is too close to the wall to light the print well, meaning it casts shadows across the unevenness. With a better spread of light, either from directly above or, even better, multiple light sources (lo-voltage ceiling track) the problem will disappear.
I'd ignore the cockling and change your lighting. At present you've got it lit from one side only and the light source is too close to the wall to light the print well, meaning it casts shadows across the unevenness. With a better spread of light, either from directly above or, even better, multiple light sources (lo-voltage ceiling track) the problem will disappear.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by dotdot on Jan 19, 2015 11:02:30 GMT 1, fixable , right ?
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fixable , right ?
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by dotdot on Jan 19, 2015 11:25:58 GMT 1, excuse me if you're a framer .. and reading this. - no offense intended.
if the work is attached using conservation material to backing card / board - all reversible to those who may wish to de-frame for inspection at a later point.
...then the rippling effect you see would be eliminated.
1/ if it's just the print in the frame - you are liable to see this effect for any work.
2/ if it is done properly by a non framer - ie pre-getting to the framer - you should have no issue.
the framer can only frame what they are given.
if they are not skilled in conservation of paper then they can't do that part of the work. (your expectation is for a frame ,remember)
deframe - conservation work then reframe - re photo and let us know how you get on.
excuse me if you're a framer .. and reading this. - no offense intended.
if the work is attached using conservation material to backing card / board - all reversible to those who may wish to de-frame for inspection at a later point.
...then the rippling effect you see would be eliminated.
1/ if it's just the print in the frame - you are liable to see this effect for any work.
2/ if it is done properly by a non framer - ie pre-getting to the framer - you should have no issue.
the framer can only frame what they are given.
if they are not skilled in conservation of paper then they can't do that part of the work. (your expectation is for a frame ,remember)
deframe - conservation work then reframe - re photo and let us know how you get on.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Mister Frame Man on Jan 19, 2015 12:03:34 GMT 1, excuse me if you're a framer .. and reading this. - no offense intended. if the work is attached using conservation material to backing card / board - all reversible to those who may wish to de-frame for inspection at a later point. ...then the rippling effect you see would be eliminated. 1/ if it's just the print in the frame - you are liable to see this effect for any work. 2/ if it is done properly by a non framer - ie pre-getting to the framer - you should have no issue. the framer can only frame what they are given. if they are not skilled in conservation of paper then they can't do that part of the work. (your expectation is for a frame ,remember) deframe - conservation work then reframe - re photo and let us know how you get on.
"if the work is attached using conservation material to backing card / board - all reversible to those who may wish to de-frame for inspection at a later point.
...then the rippling effect you see would be eliminated."
Sorry but incorrect.......Once attached to the backing card/board the paper will still move in changes of temperature and humidity causing rippling!
excuse me if you're a framer .. and reading this. - no offense intended. if the work is attached using conservation material to backing card / board - all reversible to those who may wish to de-frame for inspection at a later point. ...then the rippling effect you see would be eliminated. 1/ if it's just the print in the frame - you are liable to see this effect for any work. 2/ if it is done properly by a non framer - ie pre-getting to the framer - you should have no issue. the framer can only frame what they are given. if they are not skilled in conservation of paper then they can't do that part of the work. (your expectation is for a frame ,remember) deframe - conservation work then reframe - re photo and let us know how you get on.
"if the work is attached using conservation material to backing card / board - all reversible to those who may wish to de-frame for inspection at a later point.
...then the rippling effect you see would be eliminated."
Sorry but incorrect.......Once attached to the backing card/board the paper will still move in changes of temperature and humidity causing rippling!
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Mister Frame Man on Jan 19, 2015 12:05:54 GMT 1, I must have received 20+ calls regarding this subject in the past 3 months!!
I must have received 20+ calls regarding this subject in the past 3 months!!
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Dice on Jan 19, 2015 12:52:26 GMT 1, In winter people don't air their houses much and with all the cooking, washing, heavy breathing etc going on the air becomes humid. Couple this with quite intensive heating in the evening followed by large drops in temperature overnight it's no wonder paper expands and contracts. When it's stuck down all round rippling will occur.
There's not a hell of a lot you can do except try to regulate temperatures and humidity inside. I live in a new build which has great insulation and always-on trickle ventilation in every room so I never have the rippling problem but in my old place (Victorian conversion) I had a framed print in the spare room and it rippled massively in a month. As it was stuck down all round I was quoted ยฃ300 to have it removed and restored so in the end I sold it at at a massive discount.
In winter people don't air their houses much and with all the cooking, washing, heavy breathing etc going on the air becomes humid. Couple this with quite intensive heating in the evening followed by large drops in temperature overnight it's no wonder paper expands and contracts. When it's stuck down all round rippling will occur.
There's not a hell of a lot you can do except try to regulate temperatures and humidity inside. I live in a new build which has great insulation and always-on trickle ventilation in every room so I never have the rippling problem but in my old place (Victorian conversion) I had a framed print in the spare room and it rippled massively in a month. As it was stuck down all round I was quoted ยฃ300 to have it removed and restored so in the end I sold it at at a massive discount.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Hubble Bubble on Jan 19, 2015 13:47:22 GMT 1, It's paper. It moves.
It's paper. It moves.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by nex on Jan 19, 2015 13:52:02 GMT 1, I've had plenty of prints framed, I can't say I'd be happy with that job, but then if a framer thinks they've done a good job they're probably not the framer to fix it either.
I've had plenty of prints framed, I can't say I'd be happy with that job, but then if a framer thinks they've done a good job they're probably not the framer to fix it either.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by wolv212 on Jan 19, 2015 15:12:24 GMT 1, Thanks everyone for the replies. I realize rippling/cockling does occur naturally in paper with changes in temp/humidity, but I was just a bit more concerned here since there was no sign of it previously and it was in my home for only 1-2 hours before I noticed. Oh well, will try to make best do going forward.
If I do switch to float mount, could there still be some rippling/cockling?
Thanks everyone for the replies. I realize rippling/cockling does occur naturally in paper with changes in temp/humidity, but I was just a bit more concerned here since there was no sign of it previously and it was in my home for only 1-2 hours before I noticed. Oh well, will try to make best do going forward.
If I do switch to float mount, could there still be some rippling/cockling?
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:16:47 GMT 1, paper loves to dance around
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by dotdot on Jan 19, 2015 15:27:45 GMT 1, Thanks everyone for the replies. I realize rippling/cockling does occur naturally in paper with changes in temp/humidity, but I was just a bit more concerned here since there was no sign of it previously and it was in my home for only 1-2 hours before I noticed. Oh well, will try to make best do going forward. If I do switch to float mount, could there still be some rippling/cockling?
i very much doubt given it's something you've spent a while in search of / saving for... you'll leave it at that.
contact the framer and ask advice.
then
contact a restorer and ask advice.
then
think...
add together and perhaps... you will get what you want  patience..
don't just listen to us !! 8)
(btw - i float nothing - EVER. reckon it always looks terrible - but then everyone is entitled to their op , eh?)
Thanks everyone for the replies. I realize rippling/cockling does occur naturally in paper with changes in temp/humidity, but I was just a bit more concerned here since there was no sign of it previously and it was in my home for only 1-2 hours before I noticed. Oh well, will try to make best do going forward. If I do switch to float mount, could there still be some rippling/cockling? i very much doubt given it's something you've spent a while in search of / saving for... you'll leave it at that. contact the framer and ask advice. then contact a restorer and ask advice. then think... add together and perhaps... you will get what you want patience.. don't just listen to us !! 8) (btw - i float nothing - EVER. reckon it always looks terrible - but then everyone is entitled to their op , eh?) |
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Graffiti Prints on Jan 19, 2015 16:24:05 GMT 1, Paper if mounted properly should not ripple has to be some sort of damp / moister to do that!
It's easy restored and not really a massive issue.
But I know of a signed barcode my mate sold last year and it was rippled when he took it out of the frame
He had it restored and sold it so I would not be surprised if it rippled again in a damp house
Thing with banksy prints myself inc when first bought they were Framed cheap mostly (even seen drawing pins) and not much thought about making it last forever like now.
I Used to have my hmv in the bathroom when I took it out of the frame to sell the image was on the glass
It did not effect the print and I still sold it but made me think about prints in damp places going forward now I only have framed posters in my bathroom
Think tank, parliament, os gremos and a cool breaking poster from 83!
My office has a dehumidifier in it I have on all the time it's amazing how much water it collects from the air
Paper if mounted properly should not ripple has to be some sort of damp / moister to do that!
It's easy restored and not really a massive issue.
But I know of a signed barcode my mate sold last year and it was rippled when he took it out of the frame
He had it restored and sold it so I would not be surprised if it rippled again in a damp house
Thing with banksy prints myself inc when first bought they were Framed cheap mostly (even seen drawing pins) and not much thought about making it last forever like now.
I Used to have my hmv in the bathroom when I took it out of the frame to sell the image was on the glass
It did not effect the print and I still sold it but made me think about prints in damp places going forward now I only have framed posters in my bathroom
Think tank, parliament, os gremos and a cool breaking poster from 83!
My office has a dehumidifier in it I have on all the time it's amazing how much water it collects from the air
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by otomi on Jan 19, 2015 16:37:37 GMT 1, try to move the light to a different spot the ripples might just disappear - having the light right next to it will show every little dent in the paper
try to move the light to a different spot the ripples might just disappear - having the light right next to it will show every little dent in the paper
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Unica
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Unica on Jan 19, 2015 17:24:23 GMT 1, Cockling is common in many prints as a result of the printing process, as well as day-by-day interference from atmospheric elements. It's widely accepted in fine art that no attempt should be made to flatten the print, as usually, flattening requires humidifying the paper to make it limber, after which it is pressed between two flat surfaces until dry. In short, it's a temporary fix. Paper by nature is not flat unless forced to be so, my advice would be to have it float mounted and enjoy it as the living, breathing thing it's supposed to be. I 100% agree with this sentiment. Any prints I have are float mounted to avoid fade marks from behind the mount. This will happen over time irrespective of the glass used etc. So for me use museum, float mount and avoid direct sunlight. That way fading will be minimal, even across the print and undetectable.
Because all my prints are float mounted I get to see the amount paper moves throughout the year. It really is incredible the amount it moves back and forth. As Skip said enjoy its living and breathing.
I thought framing a print behind amount using UV glass etc and acid free mount board would eliminate any fading or change in colour of the print hidden behind the board. Otherwise what am I paying all that extra for.
This is an interesting topic for me as I have several expensive prints and haven't had them frame because i'm not to sure about the best way to preserve the print and its value.
Cockling is common in many prints as a result of the printing process, as well as day-by-day interference from atmospheric elements. It's widely accepted in fine art that no attempt should be made to flatten the print, as usually, flattening requires humidifying the paper to make it limber, after which it is pressed between two flat surfaces until dry. In short, it's a temporary fix. Paper by nature is not flat unless forced to be so, my advice would be to have it float mounted and enjoy it as the living, breathing thing it's supposed to be. I 100% agree with this sentiment. Any prints I have are float mounted to avoid fade marks from behind the mount. This will happen over time irrespective of the glass used etc. So for me use museum, float mount and avoid direct sunlight. That way fading will be minimal, even across the print and undetectable.
Because all my prints are float mounted I get to see the amount paper moves throughout the year. It really is incredible the amount it moves back and forth. As Skip said enjoy its living and breathing.
I've been contemplating float mounting but how is the print attached to the print, surely there is something stuck to the back of the print to hold to the frame. Doesn't that leave a mark when its removed? I thought framing a print behind amount using UV glass etc and acid free mount board would eliminate any fading or change in colour of the print hidden behind the board. Otherwise what am I paying all that extra for. This is an interesting topic for me as I have several expensive prints and haven't had them frame because i'm not to sure about the best way to preserve the print and its value. |
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Aza
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Aza on Jan 19, 2015 17:28:44 GMT 1, The print is held in place with special hinges that are acid free and have no effect on the artwork, they can also be safely removed.
Regarding the glass...no glass is 100% protected against UV, so naturally the print will still slowly fade.
The print is held in place with special hinges that are acid free and have no effect on the artwork, they can also be safely removed.
Regarding the glass...no glass is 100% protected against UV, so naturally the print will still slowly fade.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Harveyn on Jan 19, 2015 17:30:35 GMT 1, I 100% agree with this sentiment. Any prints I have are float mounted to avoid fade marks from behind the mount. This will happen over time irrespective of the glass used etc. So for me use museum, float mount and avoid direct sunlight. That way fading will be minimal, even across the print and undetectable.
Because all my prints are float mounted I get to see the amount paper moves throughout the year. It really is incredible the amount it moves back and forth. As Skip said enjoy its living and breathing.
I've been contemplating float mounting but how is the print attached to the print, surely there is something stuck to the back of the print to hold to the frame. Doesn't that leave a mark when its removed? I thought framing a print behind amount using UV glass etc and acid free mount board would eliminate any fading or change in colour of the print hidden behind the board. Otherwise what am I paying all that extra for. This is an interesting topic for me as I have several expensive prints and haven't had them frame because i'm not to sure about the best way to preserve the print and its value.
UV will block 95% of UV damage and Museum 97%/98%. Eventually there will be fade and for me if its floated behind UV or Museum Glass that fade will be even and not noticeable.
Floated prints should be hinge using Mulberry paper or better which is 100% reversible.
I would add that most conservation framers use the same reversible tape on mounted prints as well along the top edge to hold the print in place. I have heard of a few that use mylar corners but never come across that.
I 100% agree with this sentiment. Any prints I have are float mounted to avoid fade marks from behind the mount. This will happen over time irrespective of the glass used etc. So for me use museum, float mount and avoid direct sunlight. That way fading will be minimal, even across the print and undetectable.
Because all my prints are float mounted I get to see the amount paper moves throughout the year. It really is incredible the amount it moves back and forth. As Skip said enjoy its living and breathing.
I've been contemplating float mounting but how is the print attached to the print, surely there is something stuck to the back of the print to hold to the frame. Doesn't that leave a mark when its removed? I thought framing a print behind amount using UV glass etc and acid free mount board would eliminate any fading or change in colour of the print hidden behind the board. Otherwise what am I paying all that extra for. This is an interesting topic for me as I have several expensive prints and haven't had them frame because i'm not to sure about the best way to preserve the print and its value.
UV will block 95% of UV damage and Museum 97%/98%. Eventually there will be fade and for me if its floated behind UV or Museum Glass that fade will be even and not noticeable.
Floated prints should be hinge using Mulberry paper or better which is 100% reversible.
I would add that most conservation framers use the same reversible tape on mounted prints as well along the top edge to hold the print in place. I have heard of a few that use mylar corners but never come across that.
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Zippy
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Zippy on Jan 19, 2015 18:15:19 GMT 1, Paper formation will always change over time. Hot and cold changes in temperature will cause the paper to contract and expand.
and to add my favourite / best / most expensive piece has drawing pin holes in all 4 corners. Could have been restored and was told easy to do but I like the back story and happy to have them.
Paper formation will always change over time. Hot and cold changes in temperature will cause the paper to contract and expand.
and to add my favourite / best / most expensive piece has drawing pin holes in all 4 corners. Could have been restored and was told easy to do but I like the back story and happy to have them.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by dotdot on Jan 19, 2015 18:58:09 GMT 1, ..so wolfie - what are you going to do next ?
up the revolution
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by simona on Jan 19, 2015 21:52:50 GMT 1, I've often wondered if glass or perspex causes some rippling. In the frames I have they all have fillets. On the prints I have where it is framed with glass, the print bulges out to touch the glass in colder weather and on hotter days in contracts back. Whereas the print that is framed with perspex stays in the same position all year round.
I've often wondered if glass or perspex causes some rippling. In the frames I have they all have fillets. On the prints I have where it is framed with glass, the print bulges out to touch the glass in colder weather and on hotter days in contracts back. Whereas the print that is framed with perspex stays in the same position all year round.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 22:05:42 GMT 1, It looks fine, stop worrying, think of it as an urban art piece.
Some of his canvasses are worse, some have been kicked around the floor.
It looks fine, stop worrying, think of it as an urban art piece.
Some of his canvasses are worse, some have been kicked around the floor.
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 22:25:47 GMT 1, It looks fine, stop worrying, think of it as an urban art piece. Some of his canvasses are worse, some have been kicked around the floor.
It looks fine, stop worrying, think of it as an urban art piece. Some of his canvasses are worse, some have been kicked around the floor. sorry I stepped on your canvas. Still mad at me? |
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Barcode rippling makes me :(, by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 22:27:17 GMT 1, So whats the consensus?
Dont worry, be happy ! Right?
So whats the consensus?
Dont worry, be happy ! Right?
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patience..
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