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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by dashboll on Mar 2, 2015 20:35:13 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake.
Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid.
Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out....
PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT.
PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture.
Approx. Sizes:
Frame: 530mm x 440mm
Print: 400mm x 300mm
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake.
Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid.
Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out....
PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT.
PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture.
Approx. Sizes:
Frame: 530mm x 440mm
Print: 400mm x 300mm
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:37:17 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm when I went through a (kinda) similar situation recently, PayPal made me take the print to a reputable gallery and get a letter saying it was fake, before they agreed to decide in my favor. Have you tried that? |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:43:13 GMT 1, Gutted for you dashboll 
Gutted for you dashboll |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:50:14 GMT 1, as far as I know, Ebay should have not allowed this listing and removed it and they should refund you.
Peter Blake owns the copyright so the item listed was a fake and also in breach of the artists intellectual rights.
Style of is still in breach of copyright laws and just as Ebay remove fake Kalvin Kleins and Moody stuff it's the same with art.
I doubt the seller was authorised by Blake to sell copies of his prints.
So style of if unauthorised is not a get out clause
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as far as I know, Ebay should have not allowed this listing and removed it and they should refund you. Peter Blake owns the copyright so the item listed was a fake and also in breach of the artists intellectual rights. Style of is still in breach of copyright laws and just as Ebay remove fake Kalvin Kleins and Moody stuff it's the same with art. I doubt the seller was authorised by Blake to sell copies of his prints. So style of if unauthorised is not a get out clause www.arsny.com/ |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:52:02 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm Could you not question the claim that 'The Print is signed' as you've said that it is printed. |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Steph Rat Catcher on Mar 2, 2015 20:55:11 GMT 1, Can you put link to his her eBay site?
Can you put link to his her eBay site?
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:56:27 GMT 1, You could contact a gallery that sells Blake prints and ask them what they think about unauthorised printed copies of Blakes being sold.
It's in their interest to back you up.
If they do then go to small claims court for your money back. I doubt the seller would turn up.
You could contact a gallery that sells Blake prints and ask them what they think about unauthorised printed copies of Blakes being sold.
It's in their interest to back you up.
If they do then go to small claims court for your money back. I doubt the seller would turn up.
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minibear
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by minibear on Mar 2, 2015 21:03:25 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm when I went through a (kinda) similar situation recently, PayPal made me take the print to a reputable gallery and get a letter saying it was fake, before they agreed to decide in my favor. Have you tried that?
The one thing I'd massively push back on is the heading - "Limited Edition Print" [How is the print you received characterised as a limited edition print? If only numbered from original print then it's a copy of a limited edition. Just for a starter...]
Have they taken down the sellers account? I'm keen to look at their other listings.
B)
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm when I went through a (kinda) similar situation recently, PayPal made me take the print to a reputable gallery and get a letter saying it was fake, before they agreed to decide in my favor. Have you tried that? Yes dashboll, don't just take their first response. They have a duty to protect from fraud or purposeful deception. This is all just semantics and wouldn't stand up in a court of law. It's like any big company (I've dealt with more then a handful (councils, banks, B&Q)) their first tactic is always to claim non-fault. Then it will finish off with them saying it's company policy not to go to court and here's a cheque for xxxx. The one thing I'd massively push back on is the heading - "Limited Edition Print" [How is the print you received characterised as a limited edition print? If only numbered from original print then it's a copy of a limited edition. Just for a starter...] Have they taken down the sellers account? I'm keen to look at their other listings. B) |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Dexter Bulldog on Mar 2, 2015 21:09:29 GMT 1, that is a load of bullsh!t.. gotta get someone else on the line.. "style"? come on
op sorry..
that is a load of bullsh!t.. gotta get someone else on the line.. "style"? come on
op sorry..
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Rsyok on Mar 2, 2015 21:30:44 GMT 1, You could argue it's not original as specified in the description but a reproduction also not limited ed. If you paid via credit card make a chargeback. Kill his/her feedback for starters.
I presume these should be numbered. Nice Glasgow seller the forum is full of bile at the minute name and shame.
You could argue it's not original as specified in the description but a reproduction also not limited ed. If you paid via credit card make a chargeback. Kill his/her feedback for starters.
I presume these should be numbered. Nice Glasgow seller the forum is full of bile at the minute name and shame.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by dashboll on Mar 2, 2015 21:51:12 GMT 1, Can you put link to his her eBay site?
of course steph m.ebay.co.uk/itm?itemId=321660403962
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by jusdeep on Mar 2, 2015 21:56:56 GMT 1, Sorry to hear that Dashboll. Paypal should have really got your money back as the listing was misleading in my eyes. If there is any way to challenge their decission I would advise you try that. I remember seeing the original listing on eBay a few times and thinking it looked a bit odd, bad photo, with strange colours and a lack of information.
Not that I really have to say or want to rub it in but people really do have to watch the 'too good to be true' listings. Although I don't remember this fitting in to this cataegory as it was priced fairly in the market for this Blake print. I've made a few gambles in the past which have paid off but equally ones I have claimed my money back, but you do have to be extremely careful with certain wording used and probably best to steer clear in those cases.
Sorry to hear that Dashboll. Paypal should have really got your money back as the listing was misleading in my eyes. If there is any way to challenge their decission I would advise you try that. I remember seeing the original listing on eBay a few times and thinking it looked a bit odd, bad photo, with strange colours and a lack of information.
Not that I really have to say or want to rub it in but people really do have to watch the 'too good to be true' listings. Although I don't remember this fitting in to this cataegory as it was priced fairly in the market for this Blake print. I've made a few gambles in the past which have paid off but equally ones I have claimed my money back, but you do have to be extremely careful with certain wording used and probably best to steer clear in those cases.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by WILLYBKLN on Mar 2, 2015 21:56:55 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm That is total bullshit...you are not allowed to sell any fake items on eBay under a "real" title or name. Take it one step further with eBay/PP and I am sure you will get your money back. What did the seller say when you told him/her it was fake and you wanted a refund? |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by maxf on Mar 2, 2015 22:00:29 GMT 1, An original by an artist can be described as 'in the artist's iconic style' - especially if they had departed from that style from time to time. If it said 'in the style of Peter Blake' they'd have more of a case.
Firstly, I'd argue this with PayPal if the word 'style' was their defence. If that isn't successful, I'd email the seller one final time asking for a refund and threatening small claims action (useful paper trail). If this fails then file a claim with Moneyclaim (online small claims court) against the seller. This costs ยฃ40 but would almost certainly be found in your favour (given the description and cost of the print) and you can claim all costs back (including bailiffs fees if they don't pay up).
You could try and claim against PayPal - or go to the financial ombudsman too.
An original by an artist can be described as 'in the artist's iconic style' - especially if they had departed from that style from time to time. If it said 'in the style of Peter Blake' they'd have more of a case.
Firstly, I'd argue this with PayPal if the word 'style' was their defence. If that isn't successful, I'd email the seller one final time asking for a refund and threatening small claims action (useful paper trail). If this fails then file a claim with Moneyclaim (online small claims court) against the seller. This costs ยฃ40 but would almost certainly be found in your favour (given the description and cost of the print) and you can claim all costs back (including bailiffs fees if they don't pay up).
You could try and claim against PayPal - or go to the financial ombudsman too.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 22:10:21 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture.PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT.
Argue the point that,
The item sold was not a Peter Blake limited edition print.
It was a copy of a limited edition print.
PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture.
It was also not signed.
It can't have been signed if the signature is printed and a signed limited edition print can only be hand signed by Peter Blake.
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture.PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT.
Argue the point that,
The item sold was not a Peter Blake limited edition print.
It was a copy of a limited edition print.
PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture.
It was also not signed.
It can't have been signed if the signature is printed and a signed limited edition print can only be hand signed by Peter Blake.
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dashboll
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by dashboll on Mar 2, 2015 22:12:38 GMT 1, Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm That is total bulls**t...you are not allowed to sell any fake items on eBay under a "real" title or name. Take it one step further with eBay/PP and I am sure you will get your money back. What did the seller say when you told him/her it was fake and you wanted a refund?
didn't contact the seller as it was a fake went straight to paypal.
Hi all, posted a while back about buying a fake peter Blake on ebay, wasn't fretting because I knew I'd get a refund, but just got a message from PayPal refusing the claim because the item was "as described". I'm gutted, don't have much cash and me and the missus wanted his I love you car boot print since it was released. Quite a lot of money now lost. Thanks to the members who sent pictures to show this was fake (signature was printed rather than in pencil) but wanted to warn that you might not be covered on eBay if buying a fake. Had the word "style" in the description and guessing this is what caused the problem. Alright if a tenner, but not the amount I paid. Please be careful when buying guys, here's the description that caught me out.... PETER BLAKE (I LOVE YOU) FRAMED LIMITED EDITION PRINT. PETER BLAKE "I LOVE YOU" The work is in Sir Peters Blake's iconic style with bold colours and text. The Print is signed and in lovely condition and will be delivered exactly as you can see it in the picture. Approx. Sizes: Frame: 530mm x 440mm Print: 400mm x 300mm That is total bulls**t...you are not allowed to sell any fake items on eBay under a "real" title or name. Take it one step further with eBay/PP and I am sure you will get your money back. What did the seller say when you told him/her it was fake and you wanted a refund? didn't contact the seller as it was a fake went straight to paypal. |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Lroy on Mar 2, 2015 22:13:44 GMT 1, as far as I know, Ebay should have not allowed this listing and removed it and they should refund you. Peter Blake owns the copyright so the item listed was a fake and also in breach of the artists intellectual rights. Style of is still in breach of copyright laws and just as Ebay remove fake Kalvin Kleins and Moody stuff it's the same with art. I doubt the seller was authorised by Blake to sell copies of his prints. So style of if unauthorised is not a get out clause www.arsny.com/
eBay and PayPal don't care if fakes or not : they warned us when you put items of Art about the counterfeit and fakes to protect themselves against police claims, but in fact they don't care and just want to get their money ( as farmers - lonely or not :-) - warned us against to cross their fields full of cows.
Listen, at the movement there is per example thousands of Apple goodies imitations , of fake brands and, of course of fake Banksy tenners. They all go around 100 or less or more. You won't believe it : I paid mine 540ยฃ - just after seeing Exit - and I dunno if it s real or not - even if it is , I will never sell it for this price, with no COA etc... I was really stupid ( I think that the seller asked some mates to put bids to increase the price ) , not stupid, but innocent as a young kid wanted his toy. I bought 5 fake Bznksy road signs too ( cheaper anyway around 150 quids ) .. And the sellers are still on eBay ! The only thing that Ebay can do Is, after too much claims, ban the seller. Ask Patick Nguyen about fake Banksy , he worked with SYard, the men were arrested and EBay did not have any probs. they were not treated as receivers because of their warning ... 540 quids for a tenner ! That costs 10 in the current life !
as far as I know, Ebay should have not allowed this listing and removed it and they should refund you. Peter Blake owns the copyright so the item listed was a fake and also in breach of the artists intellectual rights. Style of is still in breach of copyright laws and just as Ebay remove fake Kalvin Kleins and Moody stuff it's the same with art. I doubt the seller was authorised by Blake to sell copies of his prints. So style of if unauthorised is not a get out clause www.arsny.com/ eBay and PayPal don't care if fakes or not : they warned us when you put items of Art about the counterfeit and fakes to protect themselves against police claims, but in fact they don't care and just want to get their money ( as farmers - lonely or not :-) - warned us against to cross their fields full of cows. Listen, at the movement there is per example thousands of Apple goodies imitations , of fake brands and, of course of fake Banksy tenners. They all go around 100 or less or more. You won't believe it : I paid mine 540ยฃ - just after seeing Exit - and I dunno if it s real or not - even if it is , I will never sell it for this price, with no COA etc... I was really stupid ( I think that the seller asked some mates to put bids to increase the price ) , not stupid, but innocent as a young kid wanted his toy. I bought 5 fake Bznksy road signs too ( cheaper anyway around 150 quids ) .. And the sellers are still on eBay ! The only thing that Ebay can do Is, after too much claims, ban the seller. Ask Patick Nguyen about fake Banksy , he worked with SYard, the men were arrested and EBay did not have any probs. they were not treated as receivers because of their warning ... 540 quids for a tenner ! That costs 10 in the current life ! |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by WILLYBKLN on Mar 2, 2015 22:14:10 GMT 1, That is total bulls**t...you are not allowed to sell any fake items on eBay under a "real" title or name. Take it one step further with eBay/PP and I am sure you will get your money back. What did the seller say when you told him/her it was fake and you wanted a refund? didn't contact the seller as it was a fake went straight to paypal.
That is total bulls**t...you are not allowed to sell any fake items on eBay under a "real" title or name. Take it one step further with eBay/PP and I am sure you will get your money back. What did the seller say when you told him/her it was fake and you wanted a refund? didn't contact the seller as it was a fake went straight to paypal. I think you should contact them and at the same time open an eBay dispute...I am almost 100% positive you will get this sorted mate. |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Steph Rat Catcher on Mar 2, 2015 22:15:18 GMT 1,
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Dibbs 45 on Mar 2, 2015 22:25:33 GMT 1, What a crap thing to happen Dashboll. I hope it gets sorted for you.
What a crap thing to happen Dashboll. I hope it gets sorted for you.
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Matt
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Matt on Mar 2, 2015 22:56:13 GMT 1, Feel sorry for you there mate,s**t situation...
Although eBay do not really actively try to delist fake products, this is still the best way to go.
Arguing again that the item is not as described will end in the same dead end .
However arguing, with proof, that this product is illegal and in clear infringement of copyright law should get you a favourable ruling as eBay will not be keen to explain why they play a role in such a transaction and collect a fee from it.
Don't give up, you will end up winning.
Feel sorry for you there mate,s**t situation...
Although eBay do not really actively try to delist fake products, this is still the best way to go.
Arguing again that the item is not as described will end in the same dead end .
However arguing, with proof, that this product is illegal and in clear infringement of copyright law should get you a favourable ruling as eBay will not be keen to explain why they play a role in such a transaction and collect a fee from it.
Don't give up, you will end up winning.
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vei
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by vei on Mar 2, 2015 23:04:09 GMT 1, Speak to your credit card or cash card people and do a charge back. I'd even talk to the press if it was me. Clearly a fake. I'd fight anyway I could to get my money back.
Speak to your credit card or cash card people and do a charge back. I'd even talk to the press if it was me. Clearly a fake. I'd fight anyway I could to get my money back.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 23:07:49 GMT 1, Typically at auction houses if something is listed as "in the manner of" or "the style of" they are stating that they do not believe it is the work of the artist. Hence the reason you lost the case. However, the seller clearly used style in a different context. I doubt the paypal person took that nuance into consideration. That and the "exactly in the photo" business was obviously vague enough to scam the paypal person to think they never listed it as genuine.
It may be worth pointing out the misuse of the word, the fact it is not signed, pointing out the purposefully confused description is fraud may get you a second look, but knowing paypal I doubt it.
Typically at auction houses if something is listed as "in the manner of" or "the style of" they are stating that they do not believe it is the work of the artist. Hence the reason you lost the case. However, the seller clearly used style in a different context. I doubt the paypal person took that nuance into consideration. That and the "exactly in the photo" business was obviously vague enough to scam the paypal person to think they never listed it as genuine.
It may be worth pointing out the misuse of the word, the fact it is not signed, pointing out the purposefully confused description is fraud may get you a second look, but knowing paypal I doubt it.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 23:26:55 GMT 1, I just saw another thing that would help you get a second look. The seller actually filled in the item specifics and under original or repro they clicked original as well as signed.
I just saw another thing that would help you get a second look. The seller actually filled in the item specifics and under original or repro they clicked original as well as signed. |
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Winter on Mar 2, 2015 23:35:49 GMT 1, That is nothing short of outrageous. I would be livid
That is nothing short of outrageous. I would be livid
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 0:46:19 GMT 1, all of the above
maybe contact the seller, just to outline your issues and if they respond, then you have soemthing to work from
hammer paypal/ebay as far as it will go
the small claims court is the final option - there is probs 99.9% chance that the seller will not contest it and you will be awarded in default if you have organised your case properly - got any mates who are lawyers ?
good luck
all of the above
maybe contact the seller, just to outline your issues and if they respond, then you have soemthing to work from
hammer paypal/ebay as far as it will go
the small claims court is the final option - there is probs 99.9% chance that the seller will not contest it and you will be awarded in default if you have organised your case properly - got any mates who are lawyers ?
good luck
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by dashboll on Mar 3, 2015 8:18:46 GMT 1, Thanks all for your input, I thinking contacting the seller is pointless, the claim will have given them chance to respond so that's obviously where they got "as described" from. Other members on here who helped me identify as fake pointed out that the same seller had done this before but using different names, always based in Glasgow tho.
Been in touch with paypal a few more times, they've told me to contact bank which Ive now done. I paid through PayPal direct from my bank, so it's actually classed as a direct debit. Under the direct debit guarantee the bank has reversed the payment so now got it back.
PayPal have advised that they won't contest it (but I'll have to wait and see if that's the case).
It means however that the shit who sold this still gets his (or her) money, so no doubt will try it again.
I was a fool I know, he had low feedback (none neg) and should have seen warnings, but I always thought you'd be covered by PayPal so no risk, obviously this isn't the case.
Thanks all for your input, I thinking contacting the seller is pointless, the claim will have given them chance to respond so that's obviously where they got "as described" from. Other members on here who helped me identify as fake pointed out that the same seller had done this before but using different names, always based in Glasgow tho.
Been in touch with paypal a few more times, they've told me to contact bank which Ive now done. I paid through PayPal direct from my bank, so it's actually classed as a direct debit. Under the direct debit guarantee the bank has reversed the payment so now got it back.
PayPal have advised that they won't contest it (but I'll have to wait and see if that's the case).
It means however that the shit who sold this still gets his (or her) money, so no doubt will try it again.
I was a fool I know, he had low feedback (none neg) and should have seen warnings, but I always thought you'd be covered by PayPal so no risk, obviously this isn't the case.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by dashboll on Mar 3, 2015 8:21:33 GMT 1, I've not got the time to take this much further, but am going to get in touch with peter blake, I'm sure his team have more muscle to stop this sort of thing going on.
Had a search on Google but can't find the best way to get in touch with him, does anyone have a contact?
thanks again for your help and sympathy, and as per the original reason for me posting, please ensure you do enough checks before buying something on eBay.
I've not got the time to take this much further, but am going to get in touch with peter blake, I'm sure his team have more muscle to stop this sort of thing going on.
Had a search on Google but can't find the best way to get in touch with him, does anyone have a contact?
thanks again for your help and sympathy, and as per the original reason for me posting, please ensure you do enough checks before buying something on eBay.
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 9:05:24 GMT 1, I know it's not much but have you left the seller negative feedback? The words FAKE and THIEF go a long way to damage reputations especially concerning art sales, and also warns other potential bidders.
Glad you seem to have got your money back, it's a shame Paypal and Ebay don't properly look into the issue
I know it's not much but have you left the seller negative feedback? The words FAKE and THIEF go a long way to damage reputations especially concerning art sales, and also warns other potential bidders.
Glad you seem to have got your money back, it's a shame Paypal and Ebay don't properly look into the issue
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ebay fakes - you might not get money back , by redwhiteside on Mar 3, 2015 10:03:53 GMT 1, Hi Dashboll,
I have been in contact with this seller and might be able to help. I'll PM you.
Hi Dashboll,
I have been in contact with this seller and might be able to help. I'll PM you.
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