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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 0:57:55 GMT 1, All? I'm not that cynical yet.
All? I'm not that cynical yet.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by .dappy on Mar 29, 2015 1:16:43 GMT 1, Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it. ... its not 'manipulative' ...
You could start a Thread about shady dealings and the way the art world works and how galleries influence prices and artists ... that would save you turning into Ploppi ...
Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it. ... its not 'manipulative' ... You could start a Thread about shady dealings and the way the art world works and how galleries influence prices and artists ... that would save you turning into Ploppi ...
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 1:25:45 GMT 1, Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it. ... its not 'manipulative' ... You could start a Thread about shady dealings and the way the art world works and how galleries influence prices and artists ... that would save you turning into Ploppi ... I'd rather just dip in to threads at my leisure, but I appreciate the suggestion.
Turning into Ploppi? Not sure what that means?
Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it. ... its not 'manipulative' ... You could start a Thread about shady dealings and the way the art world works and how galleries influence prices and artists ... that would save you turning into Ploppi ... I'd rather just dip in to threads at my leisure, but I appreciate the suggestion.
Turning into Ploppi? Not sure what that means?
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 1:49:04 GMT 1, Hell, you should see the way my students manipulate me. That doesn't mean we can't talk about. Yes, Yesss (dss111), I am making assumptions. But aren't you doing the same thing here: "He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'" I assume it's human nature to make assumptions. Not sure if someone who gets manipulated by his/her own students should be advising people on how to avoid manipulation
We've had print houses shift over 60% of their allotment direct to secondary galleries for resale, selling prints directly on ebay, pretending to be artists, stealing from artists, etc. - just seems odd that you chose to focus on this out of all things as an example of unethical or manipulative behavior. Anyone at all familiar with the art world would not find this manipulative, in my opinion.
Hell, you should see the way my students manipulate me. That doesn't mean we can't talk about. Yes, Yesss (dss111), I am making assumptions. But aren't you doing the same thing here: "He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'" I assume it's human nature to make assumptions. Not sure if someone who gets manipulated by his/her own students should be advising people on how to avoid manipulation We've had print houses shift over 60% of their allotment direct to secondary galleries for resale, selling prints directly on ebay, pretending to be artists, stealing from artists, etc. - just seems odd that you chose to focus on this out of all things as an example of unethical or manipulative behavior. Anyone at all familiar with the art world would not find this manipulative, in my opinion.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 1:55:21 GMT 1, Hell, you should see the way my students manipulate me. That doesn't mean we can't talk about. Yes, Yesss (dss111), I am making assumptions. But aren't you doing the same thing here: "He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'" I assume it's human nature to make assumptions. Not sure if someone who gets manipulated by his/her own students should be advising people on how to avoid manipulation We've had print houses shift over 60% of their allotment direct to secondary galleries for resale, selling prints directly on ebay, pretending to be artists, stealing from artists, etc. - just seems odd that you chose to focus on this out of all things as an example of unethical or manipulative behavior. Anyone at all familiar with the art world would not find this manipulative, in my opinion. It's "his" And it's a game of give and take my friend. I allow the manipulation, its called student centered instruction. It's proven to be very successful.
Again, ds111, you are making assumptions with this:
"Anyone at all familiar with the art world would not find this manipulative, in my opinion."
See how easy it is? I'm anyone, and I find GP to be extremely manipulative. That's OK, G is just trying to eat in the face of a fading business model.
Hell, you should see the way my students manipulate me. That doesn't mean we can't talk about. Yes, Yesss (dss111), I am making assumptions. But aren't you doing the same thing here: "He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'" I assume it's human nature to make assumptions. Not sure if someone who gets manipulated by his/her own students should be advising people on how to avoid manipulation We've had print houses shift over 60% of their allotment direct to secondary galleries for resale, selling prints directly on ebay, pretending to be artists, stealing from artists, etc. - just seems odd that you chose to focus on this out of all things as an example of unethical or manipulative behavior. Anyone at all familiar with the art world would not find this manipulative, in my opinion. It's "his" And it's a game of give and take my friend. I allow the manipulation, its called student centered instruction. It's proven to be very successful.
Again, ds111, you are making assumptions with this:
"Anyone at all familiar with the art world would not find this manipulative, in my opinion."
See how easy it is? I'm anyone, and I find GP to be extremely manipulative. That's OK, G is just trying to eat in the face of a fading business model.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 2:12:53 GMT 1, Haha oh man. 1. When I made that statement, I was implying that you are not familiar enough with the art world to make that judgment. 2. When I say "in my opinion," the phrase serves as a qualifier that removes the possibility of assumption. 3. If you find GP to be extremely manipulative, then god help you when you find out what else is going on. Can't anymore Maybe I should have said I'm 99.9% sure G is a manipulator.
Haha oh man. 1. When I made that statement, I was implying that you are not familiar enough with the art world to make that judgment. 2. When I say "in my opinion," the phrase serves as a qualifier that removes the possibility of assumption. 3. If you find GP to be extremely manipulative, then god help you when you find out what else is going on. Can't anymore Maybe I should have said I'm 99.9% sure G is a manipulator.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by nighthawk on Mar 29, 2015 2:13:08 GMT 1, Shady!!!! You're all over these boards as of late. You should apply for the new Guardian position.
I agree with making a new thread labeled "deceptive galleries and artists", and post your thoughts there.
I don't think G is at all being deceptive by keeping the wood, and having it come up sold out online. It was a 1/1 no?! Maybe he just wanted people to know it was out there, in the big wide world we live in. I really don't get how you think he "manipulated" the market by having this pop up sold out? You should really shift your focus to EB and their sales history charts. There, you'll find complete sales histories for almost every single print ever sold. Imagine how many "fake sales" you can discuss with the members there
Shady!!!! You're all over these boards as of late. You should apply for the new Guardian position. I agree with making a new thread labeled "deceptive galleries and artists", and post your thoughts there. I don't think G is at all being deceptive by keeping the wood, and having it come up sold out online. It was a 1/1 no?! Maybe he just wanted people to know it was out there, in the big wide world we live in. I really don't get how you think he "manipulated" the market by having this pop up sold out? You should really shift your focus to EB and their sales history charts. There, you'll find complete sales histories for almost every single print ever sold. Imagine how many "fake sales" you can discuss with the members there
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 2:19:27 GMT 1, Blaming GP for Outis involves a lot of assumptions and hindsight judgments as well.
I guess I'm curious who you view as a non-manipulative figure in the art world re: print houses? Or even less manipulative? Most of the things that upset you about Giancarlo seem like they apply to all others.
Blaming GP for Outis involves a lot of assumptions and hindsight judgments as well.
I guess I'm curious who you view as a non-manipulative figure in the art world re: print houses? Or even less manipulative? Most of the things that upset you about Giancarlo seem like they apply to all others.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 2:36:01 GMT 1, Nighthawk, I would never moderate this board. It's sad it has to be moderated at all. I'm on EB as samuraiwriter. Love that place. The difference between here and EB is that EB has embraced their identity. UAA has some room to grow in that area.
dss111, it was GP that uttered the infamous 99.9% sure thing, not me. That was his choice to market the OUTIS print in that fashion, not mine. If that ain't manipulative, then I don't know what is.
This little thread has attracted my attention. As long as you guys feed me, I'll eat. *chomp chomp chomp*
Nighthawk, I would never moderate this board. It's sad it has to be moderated at all. I'm on EB as samuraiwriter. Love that place. The difference between here and EB is that EB has embraced their identity. UAA has some room to grow in that area.
dss111, it was GP that uttered the infamous 99.9% sure thing, not me. That was his choice to market the OUTIS print in that fashion, not mine. If that ain't manipulative, then I don't know what is.
This little thread has attracted my attention. As long as you guys feed me, I'll eat. *chomp chomp chomp*
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Graffiti Prints Article, by lucky7 on Mar 29, 2015 3:38:29 GMT 1, Yes you can, because not everyone who buys work from G's gallery reads this board. The average buyer sees "sold out" at 2K, not that the gallery owner "bought" it for themselves. So, you can be more transparent. Right? I agree with you.
Yes you can, because not everyone who buys work from G's gallery reads this board. The average buyer sees "sold out" at 2K, not that the gallery owner "bought" it for themselves. So, you can be more transparent. Right? I agree with you.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Lunch Special on Mar 29, 2015 5:15:54 GMT 1, same thing lazarides did... imo
same thing lazarides did... imo
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Unica on Mar 29, 2015 5:40:58 GMT 1, I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
Its his gallery and his relationship with the artists, he is free to do whatever he wants with his prints/art. If he decides to keep a piece by an artist he represents then why not, more power to him, shows he actually enjoys the work. I'm sure Lazarides has plenty of unique pieces stashed away, as do the POW staff. Just the way it is, i'm sure if you made him a good enough offer he would sell it to you. If you had stepped up at the initial release you might of got it, but I suspect no one did and he decided to keep it for himself. IMO they are one of the better print houses out there, usually pretty affordable and reliable.
I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
Its his gallery and his relationship with the artists, he is free to do whatever he wants with his prints/art. If he decides to keep a piece by an artist he represents then why not, more power to him, shows he actually enjoys the work. I'm sure Lazarides has plenty of unique pieces stashed away, as do the POW staff. Just the way it is, i'm sure if you made him a good enough offer he would sell it to you. If you had stepped up at the initial release you might of got it, but I suspect no one did and he decided to keep it for himself. IMO they are one of the better print houses out there, usually pretty affordable and reliable.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 5:55:04 GMT 1, Jingle,
Don't confuse my interest in the manipulative business practices of GP with an interest in the work of their stable of artists. (Giancarlo's Outis print being the exception.)
I will not comment on Laz, POW, or any other "major" gallery, except to say they are hardly above criticism.
With deep pocket "investors," anything is possible. Even outer space.
For the love of god...
Jingle,
Don't confuse my interest in the manipulative business practices of GP with an interest in the work of their stable of artists. (Giancarlo's Outis print being the exception.)
I will not comment on Laz, POW, or any other "major" gallery, except to say they are hardly above criticism.
With deep pocket "investors," anything is possible. Even outer space.
For the love of god...
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Chrisp on Mar 29, 2015 6:34:31 GMT 1, Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it.
Nothing wrong with listing it as sold as it looks like it was an inventory of the show. It's just showing you a piece that's now been bought, is there small print saying who can buy what?
Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it. Nothing wrong with listing it as sold as it looks like it was an inventory of the show. It's just showing you a piece that's now been bought, is there small print saying who can buy what?
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Lunch Special on Mar 29, 2015 14:04:22 GMT 1, same thing lazarides did... imo
same thing lazarides did... imo
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 14:22:25 GMT 1, same thing lazarides did... imo And many others... GP didn't invent the model, or do anything to improve it. Neither did Steve-O.
I imagine it began around the same time the people began trading $ for goods/services.
same thing lazarides did... imo And many others... GP didn't invent the model, or do anything to improve it. Neither did Steve-O.
I imagine it began around the same time the people began trading $ for goods/services.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 14:29:39 GMT 1, same thing lazarides did... imo And many others... GP didn't invent the model, or do anything to improve it. Neither did Steve-O.
I imagine it began around the same time the people began trading $ for goods/services.
Same thing we all do on every sale and release.......
same thing lazarides did... imo And many others... GP didn't invent the model, or do anything to improve it. Neither did Steve-O.
I imagine it began around the same time the people began trading $ for goods/services.
Same thing we all do on every sale and release.......
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Lroy on Mar 29, 2015 14:30:32 GMT 1, Yes, I posted this article first in La Staa ' s thread, to thanks ( I won a print ) Giancarlo . But at the contrary, I think that it's annoyed a lot Guancarlo about it : he did not know about the DM.
Yes, I posted this article first in La Staa ' s thread, to thanks ( I won a print ) Giancarlo . But at the contrary, I think that it's annoyed a lot Guancarlo about it : he did not know about the DM.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 14:34:38 GMT 1, Yes, I posted this article first in La Staa ' s thread, to thanks ( I won a print ) Giancarlo . But at the contrary, I think that it's annoyed a lot Guancarlo about it : he did not know about the DM. What print did you win?
Yes, I posted this article first in La Staa ' s thread, to thanks ( I won a print ) Giancarlo . But at the contrary, I think that it's annoyed a lot Guancarlo about it : he did not know about the DM. What print did you win?
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Fะฏ on Mar 29, 2015 14:40:26 GMT 1, Yes, I posted this article first in La Staa ' s thread, to thanks ( I won a print ) Giancarlo . But at the contrary, I think that it's annoyed a lot Guancarlo about it : he did not know about the DM. What print did you win?
Dont tell him Lroy
Yes, I posted this article first in La Staa ' s thread, to thanks ( I won a print ) Giancarlo . But at the contrary, I think that it's annoyed a lot Guancarlo about it : he did not know about the DM. What print did you win?
Dont tell him Lroy
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Lroy on Mar 29, 2015 19:23:05 GMT 1, Well I am a bit lost, I deleted the two posts. This thread is very difficult to understand. So, I prefer to be neutral as switzerland.
Well I am a bit lost, I deleted the two posts. This thread is very difficult to understand. So, I prefer to be neutral as switzerland.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by neopzz on Mar 29, 2015 22:44:16 GMT 1, hm... I didn't know this will make so much noise... it was just a kind of (bad?) joke... so... just want to tell I like the work of GP, and i'm the first happy at (almost) every release (Especially when I grab supernaturally something )
It is a business... who don't know that? nobody is forced to buy... if a guy buy something only because it's suposed to be "sold out" it's really sad but if you buy something because you like it, why do you care if it's sold out or not ^^ ? so when you love art, maybe the little games in this business are not important, Especially when that is this business who feed our passion
hm... I didn't know this will make so much noise... it was just a kind of (bad?) joke... so... just want to tell I like the work of GP, and i'm the first happy at (almost) every release (Especially when I grab supernaturally something ) It is a business... who don't know that? nobody is forced to buy... if a guy buy something only because it's suposed to be "sold out" it's really sad but if you buy something because you like it, why do you care if it's sold out or not ^^ ? so when you love art, maybe the little games in this business are not important, Especially when that is this business who feed our passion
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