smishdown
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Sending print advice, by smishdown on Sept 16, 2015 18:32:07 GMT 1, Anyone able to offer a bit of advice please.
I'm in process of selling a print and the shipping cost is very high due to being tracked and insured.
I generally only sell prints this way due to previous experience.
The buyer has said they will pay PayPal gift to save themselves on fees, but have asked if I can mark the value on the tube really low to help save on customs fees.
As I will only send it tracked and insured for full amount am I able to do this? And also does this affect the insurance if need be?
They have also sent me a message saying that they will take all risk and not hold me responsible for anything that happens. Would this have any value say anything did happen?
Thanks for any help you can offer
Anyone able to offer a bit of advice please.
I'm in process of selling a print and the shipping cost is very high due to being tracked and insured.
I generally only sell prints this way due to previous experience.
The buyer has said they will pay PayPal gift to save themselves on fees, but have asked if I can mark the value on the tube really low to help save on customs fees.
As I will only send it tracked and insured for full amount am I able to do this? And also does this affect the insurance if need be?
They have also sent me a message saying that they will take all risk and not hold me responsible for anything that happens. Would this have any value say anything did happen?
Thanks for any help you can offer
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mehor
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Sending print advice, by mehor on Sept 16, 2015 19:43:00 GMT 1, hi, when i buy anything from outside EU and get it shipped to germany customs wants a piece of the pie for anything above 30 or so Euro. Inside the EU, no problem with customs.
This is why people like a low (fake) receipt. Paypal gift has nothing to do with that and is basically built on trust imo. For the Insurance I would check separately, but if the total value is within the shipment written somewhere, customs (in Germany 19%) will be charged additionally. and customs will check themselves online for prices if there is no receipt with a value within the package...i hope i could help, cheers
hi, when i buy anything from outside EU and get it shipped to germany customs wants a piece of the pie for anything above 30 or so Euro. Inside the EU, no problem with customs.
This is why people like a low (fake) receipt. Paypal gift has nothing to do with that and is basically built on trust imo. For the Insurance I would check separately, but if the total value is within the shipment written somewhere, customs (in Germany 19%) will be charged additionally. and customs will check themselves online for prices if there is no receipt with a value within the package...i hope i could help, cheers
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Justdave
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Sending print advice, by Justdave on Sept 16, 2015 19:51:28 GMT 1, If they are taking all the risk and paying by PayPal gift then I'd send it uninsured and mark it as a low value for them. They can have no comeback as they paid via gift as asked for that. I've sold a few items this way, I just made sure it was tracked and bomb proof. (Double tube).
If they are taking all the risk and paying by PayPal gift then I'd send it uninsured and mark it as a low value for them. They can have no comeback as they paid via gift as asked for that. I've sold a few items this way, I just made sure it was tracked and bomb proof. (Double tube).
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smishdown
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Sending print advice, by smishdown on Sept 16, 2015 20:08:22 GMT 1, Thanks for the advice. Just like to do things by the book to make sure all works for both parties. But also want to help out when I can.
Thanks for the advice. Just like to do things by the book to make sure all works for both parties. But also want to help out when I can.
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Sending print advice, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 20:33:04 GMT 1, smishdown
If the insurance cost is based on declared value, then imo there is no need to insure it if you put a low value in declaration (that is if insured mail is costly). It all depends of declared value buyer wants you to put in, ask him and send postage price for just registered mail and registered+ insurance.
As for the text saying he takes full responsibility to be on the safe side, you better ask for scan copy of a signed hand written letter with even passport or ID aside (on same scan or photo) (very useful if you have a Paypal issue).
In the text, make sure he specifically states the item to be shipped uninsured and that he takes full responsibility about any loss and/or damage.
This said, false value declaration is illicit in your country I am sure, the text IS NOT about the fact you declared low value (in fact forget it only) but that he wants it uninsured... so the text will not prevent you for Revenue Authority if caught  which I doubt as it is a common practice though it seems.
Also make sure you keep all postage proofs & receipts.
smishdownIf the insurance cost is based on declared value, then imo there is no need to insure it if you put a low value in declaration (that is if insured mail is costly). It all depends of declared value buyer wants you to put in, ask him and send postage price for just registered mail and registered+ insurance. As for the text saying he takes full responsibility to be on the safe side, you better ask for scan copy of a signed hand written letter with even passport or ID aside (on same scan or photo) (very useful if you have a Paypal issue). In the text, make sure he specifically states the item to be shipped uninsured and that he takes full responsibility about any loss and/or damage. This said, false value declaration is illicit in your country I am sure, the text IS NOT about the fact you declared low value (in fact forget it only) but that he wants it uninsured... so the text will not prevent you for Revenue Authority if caught which I doubt as it is a common practice though it seems. Also make sure you keep all postage proofs & receipts.
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kimble
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Sending print advice, by kimble on Sept 16, 2015 20:53:57 GMT 1, Personally I always send tracked and fully insured unless it wouldn't bother me to lose the money.
Buyer can do a credit card chargeback as item not received/as described/unauthorised use. Bypassing paypal gift rules. CC takes money from paypal and paypal takes money from seller. Gift payment is worse as seller has no paypal seller protection cover for cc chargebacks.
In this situation any buyer statements holding value is entirely down to the credit card provider. Providers do not follow the same decision making process so it could go either way.
Personally I always send tracked and fully insured unless it wouldn't bother me to lose the money.
Buyer can do a credit card chargeback as item not received/as described/unauthorised use. Bypassing paypal gift rules. CC takes money from paypal and paypal takes money from seller. Gift payment is worse as seller has no paypal seller protection cover for cc chargebacks.
In this situation any buyer statements holding value is entirely down to the credit card provider. Providers do not follow the same decision making process so it could go either way.
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smishdown
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Sending print advice, by smishdown on Sept 16, 2015 21:06:39 GMT 1, I didn't realise they could still do a cc chargeback if it was a gift. This is why I like to do it by the book. Thanks
I didn't realise they could still do a cc chargeback if it was a gift. This is why I like to do it by the book. Thanks
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duggyfresh
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Sending print advice, by duggyfresh on Sept 16, 2015 21:31:04 GMT 1, Be aware also that a lot of couriers will only insure prints for loss and not damage, when sending abroad, so check that too.
Be aware also that a lot of couriers will only insure prints for loss and not damage, when sending abroad, so check that too.
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Sending print advice, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 22:12:34 GMT 1, I have been pulled by the shipper before about getting large insurance cover and quoting small value on the tube. Too much grey area for me. If the buyer is serious, then you have to be utterly straight at your end wrt valuations.
Up to you of course, but the arse could come out of this transaction and there is a small possibility you could be out of pocket
I have been pulled by the shipper before about getting large insurance cover and quoting small value on the tube. Too much grey area for me. If the buyer is serious, then you have to be utterly straight at your end wrt valuations.
Up to you of course, but the arse could come out of this transaction and there is a small possibility you could be out of pocket
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Nick
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Sending print advice, by Nick on Sept 16, 2015 22:19:12 GMT 1, A few times i have taken a tube into a local post office to be sent by parcelforce. I ask them for cover for whatever value i need, they offer it and then hand you the little export sticker. On that just write down a low figure. The insurance will be logged in their system and customs at the other end will see a different value. Should be fine really, thankfully i've never had to test the insurance.
A few times i have taken a tube into a local post office to be sent by parcelforce. I ask them for cover for whatever value i need, they offer it and then hand you the little export sticker. On that just write down a low figure. The insurance will be logged in their system and customs at the other end will see a different value. Should be fine really, thankfully i've never had to test the insurance.
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smishdown
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Sending print advice, by smishdown on Sept 16, 2015 22:41:54 GMT 1, Would it also be best to get the buyer to use a PayPal invoice to make sure both parties are covered? Or are they able to use cc chargeback for this also?
Cheers for all the info people, a lot of areas I was unaware about
Would it also be best to get the buyer to use a PayPal invoice to make sure both parties are covered? Or are they able to use cc chargeback for this also?
Cheers for all the info people, a lot of areas I was unaware about
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mla
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Sending print advice, by mla on Sept 16, 2015 22:47:35 GMT 1, For buyers subject to duties and taxes, I typically declare low value and use third party insurance. Not sure what is available for folks in the UK, but here in Canada, I use U-PIC and Insurepost.
For buyers subject to duties and taxes, I typically declare low value and use third party insurance. Not sure what is available for folks in the UK, but here in Canada, I use U-PIC and Insurepost.
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Sending print advice, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 22:49:14 GMT 1, PP is nearly Ok as long as everything is straight and you can show you were diligent. Worst case you make a claim on the shipper insurance -The same is true of the shipper insurance - be straight and above board and should the worst happen, you dont have to worry about technicalities screwing up your claim - this is what insurers look for.
eta- I have been caught out on this once doing a favour and it cost me
PP is nearly Ok as long as everything is straight and you can show you were diligent. Worst case you make a claim on the shipper insurance -The same is true of the shipper insurance - be straight and above board and should the worst happen, you dont have to worry about technicalities screwing up your claim - this is what insurers look for.
eta- I have been caught out on this once doing a favour and it cost me
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Billy Sport
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Sending print advice, by Billy Sport on Sept 17, 2015 0:56:10 GMT 1, just something to bear in mind when using a credit card through paypal
What type of transactions arenโt covered?
Some types of purchases are not covered by chargeback, and eBay users should take note as this includes PayPal transactions.
In using PayPal, the actual act of loading the money into your account is considered to be the transaction.
This means the transaction is with PayPal, not with the seller you've bought a product from, so the first port of call to dispute a purchase in this case is to go through PayPal's complaints process.
You could potentially still make a chargeback claim against a PayPal purchase, if you can show you used your debit or credit card to specifically make the purchase through PayPal.
So if your PayPal account was empty and you paid in credit to make a transaction on that same day, then you may have a case for chargeback. But again, your card provider is under no obligation to provide a refund.
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just something to bear in mind when using a credit card through paypal What type of transactions arenโt covered? Some types of purchases are not covered by chargeback, and eBay users should take note as this includes PayPal transactions. In using PayPal, the actual act of loading the money into your account is considered to be the transaction. This means the transaction is with PayPal, not with the seller you've bought a product from, so the first port of call to dispute a purchase in this case is to go through PayPal's complaints process. You could potentially still make a chargeback claim against a PayPal purchase, if you can show you used your debit or credit card to specifically make the purchase through PayPal. So if your PayPal account was empty and you paid in credit to make a transaction on that same day, then you may have a case for chargeback. But again, your card provider is under no obligation to provide a refund. link |
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Quinnster
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Sending print advice, by Quinnster on Sept 17, 2015 11:15:01 GMT 1, Iv pretty much stopped trading with non EU members, had an issue with a ยฃ200 print being returned to me by the buyer and got stung for import duties...
Can't be bothered with the agro now.
Iv pretty much stopped trading with non EU members, had an issue with a ยฃ200 print being returned to me by the buyer and got stung for import duties...
Can't be bothered with the agro now.
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gatecrasher
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Sending print advice, by gatecrasher on Sept 18, 2015 20:47:05 GMT 1, I believe PP gift can only be charged back if the credit card was stolen or used fraudulently. So do your research on the person you're selling to. Google address and names etc.
Royal mail insurance doesn't cover works of art so declaring a low value makes no real difference if it goes missing.
I believe PP gift can only be charged back if the credit card was stolen or used fraudulently. So do your research on the person you're selling to. Google address and names etc.
Royal mail insurance doesn't cover works of art so declaring a low value makes no real difference if it goes missing.
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Acme Thunderer
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Sending print advice, by Acme Thunderer on Sept 20, 2015 20:57:54 GMT 1, A few times i have taken a tube into a local post office to be sent by parcelforce. I ask them for cover for whatever value i need, they offer it and then hand you the little export sticker. On that just write down a low figure. The insurance will be logged in their system and customs at the other end will see a different value. Should be fine really, thankfully i've never had to test the insurance.
If someone really wants to buy your print (doesnt matter if UK or overseas) only stick to what you are comfortable with and they will buy if they genuinely want it. I recently pulled out of an overseas deal (on fleabay) as the buyer refused to pay insurance to save a few quid despite the print being worth nearly a grand. Always better to keep the print than lose it by being uninsured.
A few times i have taken a tube into a local post office to be sent by parcelforce. I ask them for cover for whatever value i need, they offer it and then hand you the little export sticker. On that just write down a low figure. The insurance will be logged in their system and customs at the other end will see a different value. Should be fine really, thankfully i've never had to test the insurance. This is the method I use as well to get around it. If someone really wants to buy your print (doesnt matter if UK or overseas) only stick to what you are comfortable with and they will buy if they genuinely want it. I recently pulled out of an overseas deal (on fleabay) as the buyer refused to pay insurance to save a few quid despite the print being worth nearly a grand. Always better to keep the print than lose it by being uninsured. |
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which I doubt as it is a common practice though it seems. 
