Urban Art Association

Dismaland Programs and Mapsfor US art professor, by met on Sept 19, 2015 0:32:41 GMT 1,

Sept 18, 2015 23:28:36 GMT 1 kwatis said:

Sept 18, 2015 21:20:47 GMT 1 met said:

In case you didn't spot my earlier question here, I was interested in your college or university course.

Could you clarify the title? 

I understand "postmodern art" and "contemporary art", but not "postmodern contemporary art" — including how the latter is being distinguished from the former two classifications.

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Regarding Dismaland maps, an alternative option is simply for you to print out five copies (or, better yet, one for each of your students) of the map on this web page:

www.dismaland.co.uk/map/

With respect to Dismaland programmes, as a last resort you could try eBay. It would of course mean incurring a premium. But presumably with invoices or receipts (from the relevant sellers, eBay or PayPal), these art-course-related costs would be reimbursed by your university or college.

It may also be worth reaching out to the Dismaland organisers or PR people (who seem very open to educational institutions) with a request for five programmes. I suspect you'd need to offer proof that you are indeed a professor, including by making contact using an official and verifiable university or college email address.

For this purpose, I'd advise taking great care when drafting your message. A source of confusion for me was your reference to you being "currently in the middle of a course" — which sounded a little odd given that it's now mid-September.

If I may also add without causing undue offence, both the substance and style of your forum posts don't really come across as having been written by a professor in art. However, this is just a matter of perception on my part, which I appreciate could easily be incorrect.

Thanks for the suggestions; I will definitely pursue those options.

As stated elsewhere to your questions regarding the actual school, I teach at Elgin Community College outside of Chicago, IL. The course is an art appreciation course specifically focused on the Dadaist movement and the influence they had/have on postmodern and contemporary art. There should have been an "and" between the two classifications. Instead of saying I was "in the middle of the course" I should have been less vague and specificially stated that I was five weeks into a 16 week course. I am not offended by your critique on my posts and will only say that I appreciate times where I don't have to be a professor all the time.

Thanks again for the response and clarification.

It should also be stressed that your last sentence in particular was a refreshing read.

When someone's:

(i) decisions;
(ii) personal taste (whether in art, framing style or otherwise);
(iii) skills in a particular area; or
(iv) ideas, comments or opinions,

are criticised, challenged, or simply questioned in a manner that could be construed as negative, a common auto-response seems to be diva freak-outs or shrill indignation bordering on hysteria.

[At least that's what appears to be the case online, where facial expressions and vocal intonation cannot be conveyed. The nature of message boards no doubt aggravates matters because, notwithstanding their relative anonymity, any perceived slights or humiliations are carried out in the presence of an audience.]

Although bemusing at times, more often than not such defensive reactions are tiresome — and certainly detrimental to a rational exchange of viewpoints.

I am therefore much obliged for your tone of calmness and moderation.

Sept 18, 2015 23:28:36 GMT 1 kwatis said:

Sept 18, 2015 21:20:47 GMT 1 met said:

In case you didn't spot my earlier question here, I was interested in your college or university course.

Could you clarify the title? 

I understand "postmodern art" and "contemporary art", but not "postmodern contemporary art" — including how the latter is being distinguished from the former two classifications.

------------

Regarding Dismaland maps, an alternative option is simply for you to print out five copies (or, better yet, one for each of your students) of the map on this web page:

www.dismaland.co.uk/map/

With respect to Dismaland programmes, as a last resort you could try eBay. It would of course mean incurring a premium. But presumably with invoices or receipts (from the relevant sellers, eBay or PayPal), these art-course-related costs would be reimbursed by your university or college.

It may also be worth reaching out to the Dismaland organisers or PR people (who seem very open to educational institutions) with a request for five programmes. I suspect you'd need to offer proof that you are indeed a professor, including by making contact using an official and verifiable university or college email address.

For this purpose, I'd advise taking great care when drafting your message. A source of confusion for me was your reference to you being "currently in the middle of a course" — which sounded a little odd given that it's now mid-September.

If I may also add without causing undue offence, both the substance and style of your forum posts don't really come across as having been written by a professor in art. However, this is just a matter of perception on my part, which I appreciate could easily be incorrect.

Thanks for the suggestions; I will definitely pursue those options.

As stated elsewhere to your questions regarding the actual school, I teach at Elgin Community College outside of Chicago, IL. The course is an art appreciation course specifically focused on the Dadaist movement and the influence they had/have on postmodern and contemporary art. There should have been an "and" between the two classifications. Instead of saying I was "in the middle of the course" I should have been less vague and specificially stated that I was five weeks into a 16 week course. I am not offended by your critique on my posts and will only say that I appreciate times where I don't have to be a professor all the time.

Thanks again for the response and clarification.

It should also be stressed that your last sentence in particular was a refreshing read.

When someone's:

(i) decisions;
(ii) personal taste (whether in art, framing style or otherwise);
(iii) skills in a particular area; or
(iv) ideas, comments or opinions,

are criticised, challenged, or simply questioned in a manner that could be construed as negative, a common auto-response seems to be diva freak-outs or shrill indignation bordering on hysteria.

[At least that's what appears to be the case online, where facial expressions and vocal intonation cannot be conveyed. The nature of message boards no doubt aggravates matters because, notwithstanding their relative anonymity, any perceived slights or humiliations are carried out in the presence of an audience.]

Although bemusing at times, more often than not such defensive reactions are tiresome — and certainly detrimental to a rational exchange of viewpoints.

I am therefore much obliged for your tone of calmness and moderation.