vernaxley
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by vernaxley on Nov 24, 2015 15:23:25 GMT 1, I nearly bought one of his pieces a couple of years back. .
Not something I'd want to make public either.....
I nearly bought one of his pieces a couple of years back. . Not something I'd want to make public either.....
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thomasmer
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by thomasmer on Nov 24, 2015 15:52:52 GMT 1, People are going to look at you mighty strange each time you say ''this is my Rolf Harris'.
People are going to look at you mighty strange each time you say ''this is my Rolf Harris'.
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Nov 24, 2015 17:00:47 GMT 1, Would be interesting to see just how far, %, the value of his artwork has fallen since being convicted.
Personally, I wouldn't have it in my house.
Would be interesting to see just how far, %, the value of his artwork has fallen since being convicted.
Personally, I wouldn't have it in my house.
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burgerman
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by burgerman on Nov 24, 2015 17:30:22 GMT 1, Would be interesting to see just how far, %, the value of his artwork has fallen since being convicted. Personally, I wouldn't have it in my house. I remember watching antiques roadshow in 2012 and a Bonnie Tyler piece her dad bought or won at raffle which was about 4 foot by 2 foot approx was valued at 50k. The bbc interviewed the same owner last year after trial and the picture was consigned to the garage. Id say same piece would be worth 500 pounds but having a kid myself even if it was a pound would not have it on my walls due to connection and considering my child at nearly eight is same age as some of the youngest victims.
Would be interesting to see just how far, %, the value of his artwork has fallen since being convicted. Personally, I wouldn't have it in my house. I remember watching antiques roadshow in 2012 and a Bonnie Tyler piece her dad bought or won at raffle which was about 4 foot by 2 foot approx was valued at 50k. The bbc interviewed the same owner last year after trial and the picture was consigned to the garage. Id say same piece would be worth 500 pounds but having a kid myself even if it was a pound would not have it on my walls due to connection and considering my child at nearly eight is same age as some of the youngest victims.
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Dungle
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by Dungle on Nov 24, 2015 17:37:15 GMT 1, Would be interesting to see just how far, %, the value of his artwork has fallen since being convicted. Personally, I wouldn't have it in my house. I remember watching antiques roadshow in 2012 and a Bonnie Tyler piece her dad bought or won at raffle which was about 4 foot by 2 foot approx was valued at 50k. The bbc interviewed the same owner last year after trial and the picture was consigned to the garage. Id say same piece would be worth 500 pounds but having a kid myself even if it was a pound would not have it on my walls due to connection and considering my child at nearly eight is same age as some of the youngest victims.
m.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Owner-Bonnie-Tyler-portrait-painted-Rolf-Harris/story-21335261-detail/story.html
Indeed and it's a fucking ugly painting too
Would be interesting to see just how far, %, the value of his artwork has fallen since being convicted. Personally, I wouldn't have it in my house. I remember watching antiques roadshow in 2012 and a Bonnie Tyler piece her dad bought or won at raffle which was about 4 foot by 2 foot approx was valued at 50k. The bbc interviewed the same owner last year after trial and the picture was consigned to the garage. Id say same piece would be worth 500 pounds but having a kid myself even if it was a pound would not have it on my walls due to connection and considering my child at nearly eight is same age as some of the youngest victims. m.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Owner-Bonnie-Tyler-portrait-painted-Rolf-Harris/story-21335261-detail/story.htmlIndeed and it's a fucking ugly painting too
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iamzero
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by iamzero on Nov 24, 2015 20:40:53 GMT 1, I nearly bought one of his pieces a couple of years back. . Not something I'd want to make public either..... Out there now... No going back. I can't even remember what he got convicted of? Wasn't it something to do with his daughters friend?
I nearly bought one of his pieces a couple of years back. . Not something I'd want to make public either..... Out there now... No going back. I can't even remember what he got convicted of? Wasn't it something to do with his daughters friend?
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met
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by met on Nov 26, 2015 21:39:26 GMT 1, While appreciating it may have been deliberate exaggeration for effect, referring to Gauguin as a "child sex tourist" is hardly accurate or fair.
In the case of Gauguin, the argument is also fallacious because it relies on presentism โ overlooking or choosing to ignore the laws, accepted practices and social mores of the time.
To avoid misleading, mention must be made of:
(i) the fact the age of consent in France at the end of the 19th century was 13 (remaining so until the end of WWII, when it was increased to 15); and
(ii) how common it was during that period for French colonists to take on native and often very young wives, in marriages arranged by their families.
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That said, I do appreciate the underlying sentiment of your point: There are often double standards at play. We're far more likely to forgive and rationalise unacceptable behaviour if the person in question is someone whose work we love.
I think your Jimmy Page example was a strong case in point. What percentage of Led Zeppelin fans โ including parents still raising children or early-adolescents โ stopped listening to the music after they discovered Page was guilty of the repeated statutory rape of a 14-year-old? How many wrote angry letters to radio stations that played Zeppelin songs? Not so many, I suspect. That would require sacrifice, including audio abstinence, which is rather bothersome and inconvenient if you're a real Zeppelin enthusiast.
Fans were probably more keen to turn a blind eye, offer greater (even dubious) moral latitude, or find excuses for what happened โ perhaps abandoning principle in favour of more flexible judgements that focussed instead on degree, e.g. "Lori Maddox was a willing participant, so the relationship was consensual", notwithstanding that she was legally incapable of giving consent; "14 is pretty close to 16"; "14 is not quite so paedo on the Tanner scale"; etc.
In brief, people are inconsistent with their outrage. There are other key reasons I could list, but at least in part it comes down to what we risk losing. We more willingly villainise someone we dislike, are indifferent to, or consider irrelevant.
While appreciating it may have been deliberate exaggeration for effect, referring to Gauguin as a "child sex tourist" is hardly accurate or fair. In the case of Gauguin, the argument is also fallacious because it relies on presentism โ overlooking or choosing to ignore the laws, accepted practices and social mores of the time. To avoid misleading, mention must be made of: (i) the fact the age of consent in France at the end of the 19th century was 13 (remaining so until the end of WWII, when it was increased to 15); and (ii) how common it was during that period for French colonists to take on native and often very young wives, in marriages arranged by their families. ------------- That said, I do appreciate the underlying sentiment of your point: There are often double standards at play. We're far more likely to forgive and rationalise unacceptable behaviour if the person in question is someone whose work we love. I think your Jimmy Page example was a strong case in point. What percentage of Led Zeppelin fans โ including parents still raising children or early-adolescents โ stopped listening to the music after they discovered Page was guilty of the repeated statutory rape of a 14-year-old? How many wrote angry letters to radio stations that played Zeppelin songs? Not so many, I suspect. That would require sacrifice, including audio abstinence, which is rather bothersome and inconvenient if you're a real Zeppelin enthusiast. Fans were probably more keen to turn a blind eye, offer greater (even dubious) moral latitude, or find excuses for what happened โ perhaps abandoning principle in favour of more flexible judgements that focussed instead on degree, e.g. "Lori Maddox was a willing participant, so the relationship was consensual", notwithstanding that she was legally incapable of giving consent; "14 is pretty close to 16"; "14 is not quite so paedo on the Tanner scale"; etc. In brief, people are inconsistent with their outrage. There are other key reasons I could list, but at least in part it comes down to what we risk losing. We more willingly villainise someone we dislike, are indifferent to, or consider irrelevant.
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Would you buy a Rolf Harris piece?, by Ponyboy Curtis on Nov 27, 2015 11:00:41 GMT 1, ^^^ Great post sir.
^^^ Great post sir.
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