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Amazon + street art?!, by natstan on Dec 6, 2015 11:42:12 GMT 1, I knew this has to come sooner or later.
'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists.
ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.'
www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20
I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20 |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 14:27:05 GMT 1, I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20
I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20Tragic and wrong for so many reasons. |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Dr Plip on Dec 6, 2015 15:08:06 GMT 1, At least a couple of artists on that list didn't need to do this. They're basically saying "Yeah, we're fine with how Amazon conduct their business, now buy our stuff".
They had a choice as to who they supported though and so do we.
At least a couple of artists on that list didn't need to do this. They're basically saying "Yeah, we're fine with how Amazon conduct their business, now buy our stuff".
They had a choice as to who they supported though and so do we.
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Amazon + street art?!, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 15:54:05 GMT 1, At least a couple of artists on that list didn't need to do this. They're basically saying "Yeah, we're fine with how Amazon conduct their business, now buy our stuff". They had a choice as to who they supported though and so do we.
At least a couple of artists on that list didn't need to do this. They're basically saying "Yeah, we're fine with how Amazon conduct their business, now buy our stuff". They had a choice as to who they supported though and so do we. Spot on, and having discussed it with both the artists and Vandalog, the above was the given reason. Alongside the promotional possibilities and reach of corporations of course. There are 100's if not 1000's of grass roots organisations and people working to support this culture who could have benefited from their patronage. I'm not fussed about the artists working with brands, it can produce some interesting projects when approached in an intelligent way, but then it's their name and not "Street Art" that's been co-opted. But when someone like Vandalog endorses a series of "curated" (i.e censored) prints and sells them as "Street Art" to Amazon so they can sell them on to people as "Street Art" , knowing full well how compromised it is, well, something's wrong. If Vandalog wasn't benefiting financially from this, he'd be slamming the whole concept on his blog, not advocating for it across all their social media channels. |
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Amazon + street art?!, by met on Dec 6, 2015 16:11:36 GMT 1, I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20
As with the IKEA Art Event earlier in the year, this is a natural progression. I won't say "outcome" because I believe things are still evolving and will get worse.
Without wishing to advocate complacency, we cannot be surprised after having already allowed the camel to stick its nose into our bedroom.
Some street art enthusiasts only saw (or wanted to see) innocuous minor developments, while others will have spotted a slope that was quickly becoming rather slippery.
In this particular case, it isn't even necessary to hear the justifications by Vandalog, the Amazon Street Art Project, or the participating artists. Those justifications are easily predictable and will have been raised repeatedly by many to defend comparable events and situations in the past.
A point previously made in a separate context:
If granted enough time, through my own powers of rationalisation, I'm pretty sure I could present a convincing argument that cowardice is actually a virtue. Or (with the expression "fifth column" in mind) that two and two make five.
I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20As with the IKEA Art Event earlier in the year, this is a natural progression. I won't say "outcome" because I believe things are still evolving and will get worse. Without wishing to advocate complacency, we cannot be surprised after having already allowed the camel to stick its nose into our bedroom. Some street art enthusiasts only saw (or wanted to see) innocuous minor developments, while others will have spotted a slope that was quickly becoming rather slippery. In this particular case, it isn't even necessary to hear the justifications by Vandalog, the Amazon Street Art Project, or the participating artists. Those justifications are easily predictable and will have been raised repeatedly by many to defend comparable events and situations in the past. A point previously made in a separate context: If granted enough time, through my own powers of rationalisation, I'm pretty sure I could present a convincing argument that cowardice is actually a virtue. Or (with the expression "fifth column" in mind) that two and two make five. |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Matt on Dec 6, 2015 16:23:00 GMT 1, I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20As with the IKEA Art Event earlier in the year, this is a natural progression. I won't say "outcome" because I believe things are still evolving and will get worse. Without wishing to advocate complacency, we cannot be surprised after having already allowed the camel to stick its nose into our bedroom. Some street art enthusiasts only saw (or wanted to see) innocuous minor developments, while others will have spotted a slope that was quickly becoming rather slippery. In this particular case, it isn't even necessary to hear the justifications by Vandalog, the Amazon Street Art Project, or the participating artists. Those justifications are easily predictable and will have been raised repeatedly by many to defend comparable events and situations in the past. A point previously made in a separate context: If granted enough time, through my own powers of rationalisation, I'm pretty sure I could present a convincing argument that cowardice is actually a virtue. Or (with the expression "fifth column" in mind) that two and two make five.
IKEA, Amazon etc...all signs of how this is playing out.
But maybe that's not such a bad thing. I can't stand to watch yet another Whatson release with it's hand painted multiples and all that crap (sorry Whatson, I picked you but could have picked so many others). Unfortunately there seems to be no end to that, so Amazon might be doing us a favor by accelerating the death of the scene...
โฆ which is the sine qua non condition for the birth of the next one
I knew this has to come sooner or later. 'Launching December 7, Amazon's Street Art Project (ASAP) is a collection of seven limited edition prints from established street artists. ASAP is curated by street art blog Vandalog, and includes work from AIKO, Ron English, Faith47, Logan Hicks, Ganzeer, stikman, and Gaia. Each print has a limited run of 50.' www.amazon.com/ref=asap_2015/b?node=11079035011&tag=apartmentth0a-20As with the IKEA Art Event earlier in the year, this is a natural progression. I won't say "outcome" because I believe things are still evolving and will get worse. Without wishing to advocate complacency, we cannot be surprised after having already allowed the camel to stick its nose into our bedroom. Some street art enthusiasts only saw (or wanted to see) innocuous minor developments, while others will have spotted a slope that was quickly becoming rather slippery. In this particular case, it isn't even necessary to hear the justifications by Vandalog, the Amazon Street Art Project, or the participating artists. Those justifications are easily predictable and will have been raised repeatedly by many to defend comparable events and situations in the past. A point previously made in a separate context: If granted enough time, through my own powers of rationalisation, I'm pretty sure I could present a convincing argument that cowardice is actually a virtue. Or (with the expression "fifth column" in mind) that two and two make five. Capitalist / consumerist culture (yes, I realize the oxymoron) has an unmatched ability to foster the creation of counterculture, only to assimilate and integrate it for financial gain, and ultimately to obliterate it by diluting it into the mass of commercial communication for the benefit of "selling more stuff". IKEA, Amazon etc...all signs of how this is playing out. But maybe that's not such a bad thing. I can't stand to watch yet another Whatson release with it's hand painted multiples and all that crap (sorry Whatson, I picked you but could have picked so many others). Unfortunately there seems to be no end to that, so Amazon might be doing us a favor by accelerating the death of the scene... โฆ which is the sine qua non condition for the birth of the next one |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 16:24:10 GMT 1, Coming from Vandalog, I'm not suprised. If he is the future spokesman of Urban Art then we are already fu**ed! A lesson on how History gets twisted and sanitized as time goes by.
Coming from Vandalog, I'm not suprised. If he is the future spokesman of Urban Art then we are already fu**ed! A lesson on how History gets twisted and sanitized as time goes by.
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Amazon + street art?!, by met on Dec 6, 2015 17:40:25 GMT 1, At least a couple of artists on that list didn't need to do this. They're basically saying "Yeah, we're fine with how Amazon conduct their business, now buy our stuff". They had a choice as to who they supported though and so do we. Spot on, and having discussed it with both the artists and Vandalog, the above was the given reason. Alongside the promotional possibilities and reach of corporations of course. There are 100's if not 1000's of grass roots organisations and people working to support this culture who could have benefited from their patronage. I'm not fussed about the artists working with brands, it can produce some interesting projects when approached in an intelligent way, but then it's their name and not "Street Art" that's been co-opted. But when someone like Vandalog endorses a series of "curated" (i.e censored) prints and sells them as "Street Art" to Amazon so they can sell them on to people as "Street Art" , knowing full well how compromised it is, well, somethings wrong. If Vandalog wasn't benefiting financially from this, he'd be slamming the whole concept on his blog, not advocating for it across all their social media channels.
These are strong points.
Regarding the co-optation, as a street art enthusiast who feels both committed to and invested in the genre, I categorically say, "Not in my name."
One can imagine the thoughts of certain artists who, despite not participating in the project, may still feel tainted by the forced association with Amazon.
Although Vandalog wouldn't have dared to even consider inviting him, how great would it be to hear a response from Blu?
As for the second point highlighted in red, the approach by Vandalog is saddening and frustrating. It's also harmful. He's an intelligent chap, often with interesting polarising views, and the strength of character to publicly convey them. But the more financially immersed he has become, the more he's compromised himself โ whether through hypocrisy, or the abandonment (or excessive qualifying) of previously-expressed positions of principle.
At least a couple of artists on that list didn't need to do this. They're basically saying "Yeah, we're fine with how Amazon conduct their business, now buy our stuff". They had a choice as to who they supported though and so do we. Spot on, and having discussed it with both the artists and Vandalog, the above was the given reason. Alongside the promotional possibilities and reach of corporations of course. There are 100's if not 1000's of grass roots organisations and people working to support this culture who could have benefited from their patronage. I'm not fussed about the artists working with brands, it can produce some interesting projects when approached in an intelligent way, but then it's their name and not "Street Art" that's been co-opted. But when someone like Vandalog endorses a series of "curated" (i.e censored) prints and sells them as "Street Art" to Amazon so they can sell them on to people as "Street Art" , knowing full well how compromised it is, well, somethings wrong. If Vandalog wasn't benefiting financially from this, he'd be slamming the whole concept on his blog, not advocating for it across all their social media channels. These are strong points. Regarding the co-optation, as a street art enthusiast who feels both committed to and invested in the genre, I categorically say, "Not in my name."One can imagine the thoughts of certain artists who, despite not participating in the project, may still feel tainted by the forced association with Amazon. Although Vandalog wouldn't have dared to even consider inviting him, how great would it be to hear a response from Blu? As for the second point highlighted in red, the approach by Vandalog is saddening and frustrating. It's also harmful. He's an intelligent chap, often with interesting polarising views, and the strength of character to publicly convey them. But the more financially immersed he has become, the more he's compromised himself โ whether through hypocrisy, or the abandonment (or excessive qualifying) of previously-expressed positions of principle. |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Lroy on Dec 6, 2015 17:59:05 GMT 1, I am waiting street-artists selling in Poundland or Tesco for the English, and ED l epicier Discount and Aldi for French/Gernan bargains shops !
I am waiting street-artists selling in Poundland or Tesco for the English, and ED l epicier Discount and Aldi for French/Gernan bargains shops !
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Dec 6, 2015 18:42:20 GMT 1, Stikman?
Stikman?
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Amazon + street art?!, by Ottomatik on Dec 6, 2015 18:55:03 GMT 1, Funny that most here are annoyed with artists trying to make more $ to keep doing what they do.
As the same people that are annoyed by this are trying to sell their beloved Banksy for top dollar!
Funny that most here are annoyed with artists trying to make more $ to keep doing what they do.
As the same people that are annoyed by this are trying to sell their beloved Banksy for top dollar!
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Amazon + street art?!, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 18:57:14 GMT 1, 
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Dec 6, 2015 19:06:36 GMT 1,
Thanks dude, got confused for a minute then, much clearer 
Thanks dude, got confused for a minute then, much clearer |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Fake on Dec 6, 2015 19:17:31 GMT 1, They don't have the power to change anything. Only the power to get more people interested in Street art, is that a bad thing? And they are only doing 7 runs of 50... Now that will make an impact!
Because you, me or anyone who is already involved deeply in the street art scene does not say we have a monopoly on it.
They don't have the power to change anything. Only the power to get more people interested in Street art, is that a bad thing? And they are only doing 7 runs of 50... Now that will make an impact!
Because you, me or anyone who is already involved deeply in the street art scene does not say we have a monopoly on it.
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Amazon + street art?!, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 20:36:37 GMT 1, You need to buy this book cornish - shame on you. And the gruffly 
You need to buy this book cornish - shame on you. And the gruffly Now you're a father cornish you'll need to know these things. Best children's show is The Gruffalo |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Dec 6, 2015 21:28:53 GMT 1, Got the gruffalo book, but I am new to this dad marlarky so give me time guys......... 
Got the gruffalo book, but I am new to this dad marlarky so give me time guys......... |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Feral Things on Dec 6, 2015 21:35:56 GMT 1, Wooster Collective used to regularly post about Stikman and he's been painting since the early '90s, so his name isn't a 'Stik' rip-off if anyone's worrying about that.
Personally, I applaud Amazon and the artists involved for this bold move.ย The rabbit in Aiko's piece is clearly referencing the treatment of rabbits in laboratories and drawing parallels with Amazon's poor treatment of its employees.ย The elephant in Ron English's piece is clearly the proverbial 'elephant in the room' which references the fact that in the UK austerity is still having a terrible effect on the most vulnerable in society while Amazon continue to engage in aggressive tax avoidance.ย The swans in Faith47's piece which don't have heads, and therefore don't have beaks to make a noise, are a reference to Amazon's stifling of freedom of speech when they pulled the Wikileaks website.ย The skulls lying in the dirt in Logan Hick's piece is a reference to Amazon abusing its market position to crush an independent publishers underfoot.ย And the young girl in Gaia's piece is a reference to the lost innocence of a group of artists who have chosen to work with a company with such a poor record of corporate responsibility.ย
At least I assume that's what the work is about...
Wooster Collective used to regularly post about Stikman and he's been painting since the early '90s, so his name isn't a 'Stik' rip-off if anyone's worrying about that. Personally, I applaud Amazon and the artists involved for this bold move.ย The rabbit in Aiko's piece is clearly referencing the treatment of rabbits in laboratories and drawing parallels with Amazon's poor treatment of its employees.ย The elephant in Ron English's piece is clearly the proverbial 'elephant in the room' which references the fact that in the UK austerity is still having a terrible effect on the most vulnerable in society while Amazon continue to engage in aggressive tax avoidance.ย The swans in Faith47's piece which don't have heads, and therefore don't have beaks to make a noise, are a reference to Amazon's stifling of freedom of speech when they pulled the Wikileaks website.ย The skulls lying in the dirt in Logan Hick's piece is a reference to Amazon abusing its market position to crush an independent publishers underfoot.ย And the young girl in Gaia's piece is a reference to the lost innocence of a group of artists who have chosen to work with a company with such a poor record of corporate responsibility.ย At least I assume that's what the work is about... |
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Amazon + street art?!, by randomname on Dec 6, 2015 21:48:01 GMT 1, It's a little sad. But I'm also a little tempted to buy the Aiko print.
It's a little sad. But I'm also a little tempted to buy the Aiko print.
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Dec 8, 2015 20:31:03 GMT 1, You need to buy this book cornish - shame on you. ย And the gruffalo
Christmas Day 16:45
You need to buy this book cornish - shame on you. ย And the gruffalo Christmas Day 16:45 |
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Amazon + street art?!, by Fake on Dec 8, 2015 21:54:27 GMT 1, Up for some time now... And none sold out?! See the power of Amazon :-)
Up for some time now... And none sold out?! See the power of Amazon :-)
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Amazon + street art?!, by Con Art Studio on Dec 8, 2015 22:50:41 GMT 1, Up for some time now... And none sold out?! See the power of Amazon :-)
1) Undesirable prints
2) priced too high
3) concern about packing and shipping
4) a horrible job of promoting the release by Vandalog
5) all of the above
i'm going with #5
it says it's fulfilled by amazon which means they are the ones shipping the prints. even if i liked the prints and thought they were reasonably priced, i personally wouldn't trust a warehouse like amazon to ship these.
Up for some time now... And none sold out?! See the power of Amazon :-) could be a number of factors: 1) Undesirable prints 2) priced too high 3) concern about packing and shipping 4) a horrible job of promoting the release by Vandalog 5) all of the above i'm going with #5 it says it's fulfilled by amazon which means they are the ones shipping the prints. even if i liked the prints and thought they were reasonably priced, i personally wouldn't trust a warehouse like amazon to ship these. |
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Amazon + street art?!, by randomname on Dec 9, 2015 0:39:31 GMT 1, Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing artists use Amazon strictly to complete transactions. It's virtually impossible to crash their site.
As for these prints, I only like the Aiko. If it were more like $250, I'd get it. Can't help feeling it's overpriced.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing artists use Amazon strictly to complete transactions. It's virtually impossible to crash their site.
As for these prints, I only like the Aiko. If it were more like $250, I'd get it. Can't help feeling it's overpriced.
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Dec 31, 2015 1:33:13 GMT 1, Got all the books for Christmas gruffalo, gruffalos child etc
I am now with it
Got all the books for Christmas gruffalo, gruffalos child etc I am now with it |
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Amazon + street art?!, by thomasmer on Dec 31, 2015 8:24:19 GMT 1, Sooo sad, so many real outlets run by real humans and people associated with the scene.
Nice one Rushmore.
Sooo sad, so many real outlets run by real humans and people associated with the scene.
Nice one Rushmore.
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Amazon + street art?!, by .dappy on Mar 1, 2016 20:15:23 GMT 1, ... some interesting points ...
... some interesting points ...
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 1, 2016 21:27:33 GMT 1, ... some interesting points ...
......I had never heard of stickman till biggie mentioned it
... some interesting points ... I know........ ......I had never heard of stickman till biggie mentioned it |
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Amazon + street art?!, by bigbiscuits on Mar 2, 2016 22:04:14 GMT 1, I worked for Amazon for many years. In the early days, it was such a cool culture. When a new tab (store) launched. Bezos would drop by the kegger in the breakroom kitchen and work the room asking about what projects you were working on.
Now that culture has long since vanished, and you will have your soul sucked out by that company. It was the worst work/life balance that I've ever experienced. But those golden handcuffs did help me buy my first house.
I worked for Amazon for many years. In the early days, it was such a cool culture. When a new tab (store) launched. Bezos would drop by the kegger in the breakroom kitchen and work the room asking about what projects you were working on.
Now that culture has long since vanished, and you will have your soul sucked out by that company. It was the worst work/life balance that I've ever experienced. But those golden handcuffs did help me buy my first house.
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Amazon + street art?!, by Philpenn on Mar 3, 2016 0:45:44 GMT 1, I mean, if the robot was built to roll/pack prints and it's only objective is rolling/packing prints, then I'd bet it rolls/packs with the best of 'em.
I mean, if the robot was built to roll/pack prints and it's only objective is rolling/packing prints, then I'd bet it rolls/packs with the best of 'em.
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Amazon + street art?!, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 3, 2016 1:42:20 GMT 1, The last job on earth:
The last job on earth:
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