djvlnt
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Fraud HELP, by djvlnt on May 14, 2016 22:01:58 GMT 1, Problem looks like it's solved
Problem looks like it's solved
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Fraud HELP, by Deleted on May 14, 2016 22:15:49 GMT 1, Hi I just bought three drawings that turned out to be fake. I did turn them down at first, but then when the seller came back with mail proof of authenticity (from then best source). So I mailed the sender of the proof and got good replays. I even talked to a well known gallery (if not the best in the genre) and they thought it was the correct mail address too. So I bought the pieces. And I payed with PayPal but used send money to family and friends because I have bought numerous pieces from this guy before, and everything has been perfect. Then I found out that they are not authentic and that the guy that supposed to have sent the mail saying they are legit did not write that mails and did not control the mail account they where sent from. So, I asked for my cash back but the seller says no. I'm not saying he knew he sold fakes, he can be a victim too. He says I bought them with no refund option, and that's true because he said they where none refundable before I payed, but I think the matter of fake drawings and fake proof gives me the right to refund. This is a private seller in USA, NYC, and I'm in Stockholm. So what to I do?! Help please!! D
You can still open a dispute on PayPal even if you did pay with the family and friends option. Look at the payment overview at the bottom it should say resolve a problem, or open dispute if that fails ring PayPal and tell them you made a purchase but accidenlty clicked the family and Friends option instead of goods payment they will open a case
Seems not all know that
Hi I just bought three drawings that turned out to be fake. I did turn them down at first, but then when the seller came back with mail proof of authenticity (from then best source). So I mailed the sender of the proof and got good replays. I even talked to a well known gallery (if not the best in the genre) and they thought it was the correct mail address too. So I bought the pieces. And I payed with PayPal but used send money to family and friends because I have bought numerous pieces from this guy before, and everything has been perfect. Then I found out that they are not authentic and that the guy that supposed to have sent the mail saying they are legit did not write that mails and did not control the mail account they where sent from. So, I asked for my cash back but the seller says no. I'm not saying he knew he sold fakes, he can be a victim too. He says I bought them with no refund option, and that's true because he said they where none refundable before I payed, but I think the matter of fake drawings and fake proof gives me the right to refund. This is a private seller in USA, NYC, and I'm in Stockholm. So what to I do?! Help please!! D You can still open a dispute on PayPal even if you did pay with the family and friends option. Look at the payment overview at the bottom it should say resolve a problem, or open dispute if that fails ring PayPal and tell them you made a purchase but accidenlty clicked the family and Friends option instead of goods payment they will open a case Seems not all know that |
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samfrost
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Fraud HELP, by samfrost on May 14, 2016 22:24:44 GMT 1, Good advice from the poster above. I'm based in NYC (in Stockholm regularly as well), let me know if you need a hand about the process here.
Good advice from the poster above. I'm based in NYC (in Stockholm regularly as well), let me know if you need a hand about the process here.
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Fraud HELP, by Deleted on May 14, 2016 22:30:24 GMT 1, Open a dispute, PayPal normally side with the buyer and in this case it seems it will be for good reason.
Open a dispute, PayPal normally side with the buyer and in this case it seems it will be for good reason.
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Fraud HELP, by Deleted on May 14, 2016 22:33:49 GMT 1, Yes, contact paypal as quick as possible and collect/safe all documents, emails etc...
Yes, contact paypal as quick as possible and collect/safe all documents, emails etc...
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nighthawk
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Fraud HELP, by nighthawk on May 14, 2016 22:33:54 GMT 1, Who's the artist?
Who's the artist?
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djvlnt
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Fraud HELP, by djvlnt on May 14, 2016 22:37:02 GMT 1,
I would like to solve the matter before outing names of that's fine?
I would like to solve the matter before outing names of that's fine? |
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Fraud HELP, by Deleted on May 14, 2016 23:12:45 GMT 1, I would like to solve the matter before outing names of that's fine?
I would like to solve the matter before outing names of that's fine? Hope it's not a Lucien Freud. Feuding over a fraud freud? |
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Ddog
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Fraud HELP, by Ddog on May 15, 2016 0:26:53 GMT 1, I would like to solve the matter before outing names of that's fine? Hope it's not a Lucien Freud. Feuding over a fraud freud?
Hahhahaa
I would like to solve the matter before outing names of that's fine? Hope it's not a Lucien Freud. Feuding over a fraud freud? Hahhahaa |
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natstan
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Fraud HELP, by natstan on May 15, 2016 3:01:50 GMT 1, Even if paypal can't help, you might still be able to complain to the credit card company if you had paid thru paypal with a cc. I got my money back once for a product that did not arrive at all bought on ebay and paid by paypal, but passed the duration for making claims on both (due to the seller lying that it should be on the way and kept asking me to wait till it's past that duration).
Even if paypal can't help, you might still be able to complain to the credit card company if you had paid thru paypal with a cc. I got my money back once for a product that did not arrive at all bought on ebay and paid by paypal, but passed the duration for making claims on both (due to the seller lying that it should be on the way and kept asking me to wait till it's past that duration).
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djvlnt
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Fraud HELP, by djvlnt on May 16, 2016 6:21:25 GMT 1, Hi all!
Looks like I'm getting my cash back. We will see but the seller seems scammed to but he wants to refund me.
Hi all!
Looks like I'm getting my cash back. We will see but the seller seems scammed to but he wants to refund me.
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djvlnt
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Fraud HELP, by djvlnt on May 16, 2016 6:21:43 GMT 1, Thanks for the help everyone!!!
Thanks for the help everyone!!!
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Fraud HELP, by Lroy on May 16, 2016 7:00:17 GMT 1, Even if paypal can't help, you might still be able to complain to the credit card company if you had paid thru paypal with a cc. I got my money back once for a product that did not arrive at all bought on ebay and paid by paypal, but passed the duration for making claims on both (due to the seller lying that it should be on the way and kept asking me to wait till it's past that duration).
yes, crรฉdit card is the only way.
As this buyer paid with PayPal and have sent the money " as friend ",
PayPal can't do anything for him, and the money is lost.
When I see here that dome are asking buyers to send money " as friend ", I think that buyers are crazy. If something happens Paypal will never prtorect you nor solve the problem : money is lost.
Even if paypal can't help, you might still be able to complain to the credit card company if you had paid thru paypal with a cc. I got my money back once for a product that did not arrive at all bought on ebay and paid by paypal, but passed the duration for making claims on both (due to the seller lying that it should be on the way and kept asking me to wait till it's past that duration). yes, crรฉdit card is the only way. As this buyer paid with PayPal and have sent the money " as friend ", PayPal can't do anything for him, and the money is lost. When I see here that dome are asking buyers to send money " as friend ", I think that buyers are crazy. If something happens Paypal will never prtorect you nor solve the problem : money is lost. |
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vei
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Fraud HELP, by vei on May 16, 2016 8:59:48 GMT 1, Even if paypal can't help, you might still be able to complain to the credit card company if you had paid thru paypal with a cc. I got my money back once for a product that did not arrive at all bought on ebay and paid by paypal, but passed the duration for making claims on both (due to the seller lying that it should be on the way and kept asking me to wait till it's past that duration). yes, crรฉdit card is the only way. As this buyer paid with PayPal and have sent the money " as friend ", PayPal can't do anything for him, and the money is lost. When I see here that dome are asking buyers to send money " as friend ", I think that buyers are crazy. If something happens Paypal will never prtorect you nor solve the problem : money is lost.
Totally agree why would you send money as a friend.
Even if paypal can't help, you might still be able to complain to the credit card company if you had paid thru paypal with a cc. I got my money back once for a product that did not arrive at all bought on ebay and paid by paypal, but passed the duration for making claims on both (due to the seller lying that it should be on the way and kept asking me to wait till it's past that duration). yes, crรฉdit card is the only way. As this buyer paid with PayPal and have sent the money " as friend ", PayPal can't do anything for him, and the money is lost. When I see here that dome are asking buyers to send money " as friend ", I think that buyers are crazy. If something happens Paypal will never prtorect you nor solve the problem : money is lost. Totally agree why would you send money as a friend. |
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Fraud HELP, by Lroy on May 16, 2016 13:20:08 GMT 1, yes, crรฉdit card is the only way. As this buyer paid with PayPal and have sent the money " as friend ", PayPal can't do anything for him, and the money is lost. When I see here that dome are asking buyers to send money " as friend ", I think that buyers are crazy. If something happens Paypal will never prtorect you nor solve the problem : money is lost. Totally agree why would you send money as a friend.
2many swindlers and skinflints here.
UAA should tell Buyers ( and sellers ) to take care, and that a paiement made " as, or for, friends " has no future issue for the buyer.
PayPal told me a lot about this. Buyers, should boycott and do not accept deals with" friendly " payment , never.
Even the payment done, if the seller don't send you the print , you have no chance to get it ! And you aren't protected ! Apart, maybe, to make opposition on your credit card.. Well insane .., how sellers can do this ?! It isn't fair, it is a robbery !
yes, crรฉdit card is the only way. As this buyer paid with PayPal and have sent the money " as friend ", PayPal can't do anything for him, and the money is lost. When I see here that dome are asking buyers to send money " as friend ", I think that buyers are crazy. If something happens Paypal will never prtorect you nor solve the problem : money is lost. Totally agree why would you send money as a friend. 2many swindlers and skinflints here. UAA should tell Buyers ( and sellers ) to take care, and that a paiement made " as, or for, friends " has no future issue for the buyer. PayPal told me a lot about this. Buyers, should boycott and do not accept deals with" friendly " payment , never. Even the payment done, if the seller don't send you the print , you have no chance to get it ! And you aren't protected ! Apart, maybe, to make opposition on your credit card.. Well insane .., how sellers can do this ?! It isn't fair, it is a robbery ! |
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Fraud HELP, by .dappy on May 16, 2016 17:12:06 GMT 1, Totally agree why would you send money as a friend. 2many swindlers and skinflints here. UAA should tell Buyers ( and sellers ) to take care, and that a paiement made " as, or for, friends " has no future issue for the buyer. PayPal told me a lot about this. Buyers, should boycott and do not accept deals with" friendly " payment , never. Even the payment done, if the seller don't send you the print , you have no chance to get it ! And you aren't protected ! Apart, maybe, to make opposition on your credit card.. Well insane .., how sellers can do this ?! It isn't fair, it is a robbery !
... Roy
... the UAA does tell buyers to take care - just take a look at the forum rules ... Sect 12 for example:
12. Remember, all Sales / Trades / Swaps are carried out at your own risk. Ensure that you are diligent in validating your potential acquisition and whenever possible ensure you obtain as much provenance for your new acquisition as possible. If you are acquiring / trading high-value items you should ensure you are confident in the transaction, if in doubt do not feel obliged or pressured into completing a deal. Whenever possible try to do all deals face to face so you can avoid any problems.
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/129163/read-forum-rules#ixzz48psJkYCs
... plus all of the other Members who contribute and call out suspicious activity ...
Totally agree why would you send money as a friend. 2many swindlers and skinflints here. UAA should tell Buyers ( and sellers ) to take care, and that a paiement made " as, or for, friends " has no future issue for the buyer. PayPal told me a lot about this. Buyers, should boycott and do not accept deals with" friendly " payment , never. Even the payment done, if the seller don't send you the print , you have no chance to get it ! And you aren't protected ! Apart, maybe, to make opposition on your credit card.. Well insane .., how sellers can do this ?! It isn't fair, it is a robbery ! ... Roy ... the UAA does tell buyers to take care - just take a look at the forum rules ... Sect 12 for example: 12. Remember, all Sales / Trades / Swaps are carried out at your own risk. Ensure that you are diligent in validating your potential acquisition and whenever possible ensure you obtain as much provenance for your new acquisition as possible. If you are acquiring / trading high-value items you should ensure you are confident in the transaction, if in doubt do not feel obliged or pressured into completing a deal. Whenever possible try to do all deals face to face so you can avoid any problems. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/129163/read-forum-rules#ixzz48psJkYCs... plus all of the other Members who contribute and call out suspicious activity ... |
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Fraud HELP, by Lroy on May 16, 2016 17:31:17 GMT 1, Cheers Dappy !
There is so much to read In THIS forum ( older posts ? Old rules? ) and Nothing kind nor smart too most of the times, That your comment is a salvation.
Thanks.
A forum is the affair of all.
Have a nice evening !
Cheers Dappy !
There is so much to read In THIS forum ( older posts ? Old rules? ) and Nothing kind nor smart too most of the times, That your comment is a salvation.
Thanks.
A forum is the affair of all.
Have a nice evening !
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Fraud HELP, by .dappy on May 16, 2016 17:44:18 GMT 1, The forum rules are at the top of the Art for Sale Thread ... and have been sticky'd/locked there for a good while ...
The forum rules are at the top of the Art for Sale Thread ... and have been sticky'd/locked there for a good while ...
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