Pjam
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by Pjam on May 24, 2016 6:28:52 GMT 1, Offering $550 to track this down.
Thanks
Offering $550 to track this down.
Thanks
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iamzero
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by iamzero on May 24, 2016 6:45:41 GMT 1, I thought these were closer to the ยฃ1k mark? As yes I do own one.
I thought these were closer to the ยฃ1k mark? As yes I do own one.
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boyce
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by boyce on May 24, 2016 7:30:33 GMT 1, Offering $550 to track this down. Thanks
Offering $550 to track this down. Thanks that's not even cost price.... |
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chads007
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by chads007 on May 24, 2016 10:07:01 GMT 1, Prices have dropped on these, still above cost I think though. One sold at 450 OBO
Prices have dropped on these, still above cost I think though. One sold at 450 OBO
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d.r. perseus
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by d.r. perseus on May 24, 2016 10:15:18 GMT 1, Interesting to see on EB that 30% of this run (13% for sale there currently, with an additional 17% listed as sold) either sold on the aftermarket or is still available. Given that some sales wont be listed, I would gamble it is closer to 40%.
Crazy.
Interesting to see on EB that 30% of this run (13% for sale there currently, with an additional 17% listed as sold) either sold on the aftermarket or is still available. Given that some sales wont be listed, I would gamble it is closer to 40%.
Crazy.
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BKBOI
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by BKBOI on May 24, 2016 14:34:04 GMT 1, Each print was hand embellished by Phlegm so good to buy now when people are getting rid of them.
Each print was hand embellished by Phlegm so good to buy now when people are getting rid of them.
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iamzero
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by iamzero on May 24, 2016 18:53:57 GMT 1, Anyone would be nuts to sell now. Watch the prices rise when the next thing he's working on gets released. I wouldn't sell mine for any less than ยฃ1200.
Anyone would be nuts to sell now. Watch the prices rise when the next thing he's working on gets released. I wouldn't sell mine for any less than ยฃ1200.
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davievegas
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by davievegas on May 24, 2016 18:56:43 GMT 1, Plenty of these on ebay for Less then $800 with best offer. So Id say they are only being sold for $600-$650 the most at this moment. He does not come out with much so people get tired of sitting on them it seems. Not a quick buck artist for investment buyers.
Plenty of these on ebay for Less then $800 with best offer. So Id say they are only being sold for $600-$650 the most at this moment. He does not come out with much so people get tired of sitting on them it seems. Not a quick buck artist for investment buyers.
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chads007
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by chads007 on May 24, 2016 18:58:41 GMT 1, Love phlegm, sadly not wanting to connect with a wider audience/gallery will limit him to niche audience. Prices will rise if another release or book is announced as flippers on EB get on it, then plummet soon after... apart from civilisation & couple others which will continue to rise steadily and classic originals, subject to demand .
Love phlegm, sadly not wanting to connect with a wider audience/gallery will limit him to niche audience. Prices will rise if another release or book is announced as flippers on EB get on it, then plummet soon after... apart from civilisation & couple others which will continue to rise steadily and classic originals, subject to demand .
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chads007
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by chads007 on May 24, 2016 19:00:12 GMT 1, Plenty of these on ebay for Less then $800 with best offer. So Id say they are only being sold for $600-$650 the most at this moment. He does not come out with much so people get tired of sitting on them it seems. Not a quick buck artist for investment buyers.
Yep I don't think a seller will get more for this at the moment. May be a small % increase depending on what/when the next release is.
Plenty of these on ebay for Less then $800 with best offer. So Id say they are only being sold for $600-$650 the most at this moment. He does not come out with much so people get tired of sitting on them it seems. Not a quick buck artist for investment buyers. Yep I don't think a seller will get more for this at the moment. May be a small % increase depending on what/when the next release is. |
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davievegas
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by davievegas on May 24, 2016 19:10:33 GMT 1, Love phlegm, sadly not wanting to connect with a wider audience/gallery will limit him to niche audience. Prices will rise if another release or book is announced as flippers on EB get on it, then plummet soon after... apart from civilisation & couple others which will continue to rise steadily and classic originals, subject to demand .
Love phlegm, sadly not wanting to connect with a wider audience/gallery will limit him to niche audience. Prices will rise if another release or book is announced as flippers on EB get on it, then plummet soon after... apart from civilisation & couple others which will continue to rise steadily and classic originals, subject to demand . I agree 100%. He is closed off and needs to branch out more. Stunts his growth big time over the long run. |
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mla
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by mla on May 25, 2016 16:23:20 GMT 1, Love phlegm, sadly not wanting to connect with a wider audience/gallery will limit him to niche audience. Prices will rise if another release or book is announced as flippers on EB get on it, then plummet soon after... apart from civilisation & couple others which will continue to rise steadily and classic originals, subject to demand . I agree 100%. He is closed off and needs to branch out more. Stunts his growth big time over the long run.
As for his work catering to a niche audience, I would say that is true for almost any artist working in the "urban art" realm. Sure, he doesn't pander to galleries, but he is reaching tons of people via Instagram at 42K followers, a number which is growing steadily, and he was commissioned by the Royal Opera House for a series of etchings and an installation, which reached a ton of new eyes. And the first bit isn't even 100% true, as he did "The Bestiary" at HGG.
If you want an artist whose primary focus is moving prices north, then look elsewhere, but if you want someone who lives and breathes their craft, then Phlegm is your man. I wouldn't care if I woke up tomorrow and my pieces were worthless. I bought them because I love looking at them.
Love phlegm, sadly not wanting to connect with a wider audience/gallery will limit him to niche audience. Prices will rise if another release or book is announced as flippers on EB get on it, then plummet soon after... apart from civilisation & couple others which will continue to rise steadily and classic originals, subject to demand . I agree 100%. He is closed off and needs to branch out more. Stunts his growth big time over the long run. Maybe re-evaluate why you are collecting art. As for his work catering to a niche audience, I would say that is true for almost any artist working in the "urban art" realm. Sure, he doesn't pander to galleries, but he is reaching tons of people via Instagram at 42K followers, a number which is growing steadily, and he was commissioned by the Royal Opera House for a series of etchings and an installation, which reached a ton of new eyes. And the first bit isn't even 100% true, as he did "The Bestiary" at HGG. If you want an artist whose primary focus is moving prices north, then look elsewhere, but if you want someone who lives and breathes their craft, then Phlegm is your man. I wouldn't care if I woke up tomorrow and my pieces were worthless. I bought them because I love looking at them. |
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davievegas
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by davievegas on May 25, 2016 17:29:59 GMT 1, I agree 100%. He is closed off and needs to branch out more. Stunts his growth big time over the long run. Maybe re-evaluate why you are collecting art. As for his work catering to a niche audience, I would say that is true for almost any artist working in the "urban art" realm. Sure, he doesn't pander to galleries, but he is reaching tons of people via Instagram at 42K followers, a number which is growing steadily, and he was commissioned by the Royal Opera House for a series of etchings and an installation, which reached a ton of new eyes. And the first bit isn't even 100% true, as he did "The Bestiary" at HGG. If you want an artist whose primary focus is moving prices north, then look elsewhere, but if you want someone who lives and breathes their craft, then Phlegm is your man. I wouldn't care if I woke up tomorrow and my pieces were worthless. I bought them because I love looking at them.
I agree 100%. He is closed off and needs to branch out more. Stunts his growth big time over the long run. Maybe re-evaluate why you are collecting art. As for his work catering to a niche audience, I would say that is true for almost any artist working in the "urban art" realm. Sure, he doesn't pander to galleries, but he is reaching tons of people via Instagram at 42K followers, a number which is growing steadily, and he was commissioned by the Royal Opera House for a series of etchings and an installation, which reached a ton of new eyes. And the first bit isn't even 100% true, as he did "The Bestiary" at HGG. If you want an artist whose primary focus is moving prices north, then look elsewhere, but if you want someone who lives and breathes their craft, then Phlegm is your man. I wouldn't care if I woke up tomorrow and my pieces were worthless. I bought them because I love looking at them. I don't have to re-evaluate anything. We get it, you collect his art and are sticking up for him and his work. Everything you wrote is just "Your" opinion. I was explaining the possibilities as to why his price for "Fight or Flight" has gone down compared to what it was when it was released in terms of value. It has gone down. Others agree. What does not lie are the price sales for this print on EB and ebay. Perfect time for others to snag his work for much cheaper on ebay etc. You purchase his work because you love it which is great. Plenty people that collect have other agendas. Your naive to think that they don't. When some artists work go up when they do not release a lot of work, his does not. Others have spoken up about it in this thread as well. That is our point. |
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Mattmoo08
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by Mattmoo08 on May 25, 2016 18:19:34 GMT 1, Each print was hand embellished by Phlegm so good to buy now when people are getting rid of them.
Each print was hand embellished by Phlegm so good to buy now when people are getting rid of them. Not all of them. Only the numbered run. |
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iamzero
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by iamzero on May 25, 2016 18:21:58 GMT 1, I wasn't aware there was a second unnumbered edition? How many of them were released?
I wasn't aware there was a second unnumbered edition? How many of them were released?
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Mattmoo08
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by Mattmoo08 on May 25, 2016 18:26:52 GMT 1, I wasn't aware there was a second unnumbered edition? How many of them were released?
So im told anyway. Could be wrong 
I wasn't aware there was a second unnumbered edition? How many of them were released? 7 APs and as far as I know the APs sold as printed. He decided to do the extra drawing as an after thought. So im told anyway. Could be wrong |
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mla
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by mla on May 25, 2016 18:42:43 GMT 1, Maybe re-evaluate why you are collecting art. As for his work catering to a niche audience, I would say that is true for almost any artist working in the "urban art" realm. Sure, he doesn't pander to galleries, but he is reaching tons of people via Instagram at 42K followers, a number which is growing steadily, and he was commissioned by the Royal Opera House for a series of etchings and an installation, which reached a ton of new eyes. And the first bit isn't even 100% true, as he did "The Bestiary" at HGG. If you want an artist whose primary focus is moving prices north, then look elsewhere, but if you want someone who lives and breathes their craft, then Phlegm is your man. I wouldn't care if I woke up tomorrow and my pieces were worthless. I bought them because I love looking at them. I don't have to re-evaluate anything. We get it, you collect his art and are sticking up for him and his work. Everything you wrote is just "Your" opinion. I was explaining the possibilities as to why his price for "Fight or Flight" has gone down compared to what it was when it was released in terms of value. It has gone down. Others agree. What does not lie are the price sales for this print on EB and ebay. Perfect time for others to snag his work for much cheaper on ebay etc. You purchase his work because you love it which is great. Plenty people that collect have other agendas. Your naive to think that they don't. When some artists work go up when they do not release a lot of work, his does not. Others have spoken up about it in this thread as well. That is our point.
Your assertions were nothing more than opinions and I was well within my rights to counter with my own. Being exploited by galleries is not the only way to build a career as an artist.
I made no comments of the value of the print in question, or his art in general, but to stay on topic, I would assess it at $600USD currently and it could be heading even lower if people want to move their stock.
I am well aware that many collect for financial and speculative reasons. In fact, I would think there are probably more that do, than those that don't in our online communities. People are free to do as they choose, but I personally find the quest much more fulfilling when the first question I ask myself is "do I want to look at this every day" rather than "do I think this will go up in value?".
Maybe re-evaluate why you are collecting art. As for his work catering to a niche audience, I would say that is true for almost any artist working in the "urban art" realm. Sure, he doesn't pander to galleries, but he is reaching tons of people via Instagram at 42K followers, a number which is growing steadily, and he was commissioned by the Royal Opera House for a series of etchings and an installation, which reached a ton of new eyes. And the first bit isn't even 100% true, as he did "The Bestiary" at HGG. If you want an artist whose primary focus is moving prices north, then look elsewhere, but if you want someone who lives and breathes their craft, then Phlegm is your man. I wouldn't care if I woke up tomorrow and my pieces were worthless. I bought them because I love looking at them. I don't have to re-evaluate anything. We get it, you collect his art and are sticking up for him and his work. Everything you wrote is just "Your" opinion. I was explaining the possibilities as to why his price for "Fight or Flight" has gone down compared to what it was when it was released in terms of value. It has gone down. Others agree. What does not lie are the price sales for this print on EB and ebay. Perfect time for others to snag his work for much cheaper on ebay etc. You purchase his work because you love it which is great. Plenty people that collect have other agendas. Your naive to think that they don't. When some artists work go up when they do not release a lot of work, his does not. Others have spoken up about it in this thread as well. That is our point. You made an assertion that he was "stunting his development" and that he is "closed off and needs to branch out more", all because he doesn't pander to galleries and doesn't give a flying fuck how much or how little you make off the resale of his work. Your assertions were nothing more than opinions and I was well within my rights to counter with my own. Being exploited by galleries is not the only way to build a career as an artist. I made no comments of the value of the print in question, or his art in general, but to stay on topic, I would assess it at $600USD currently and it could be heading even lower if people want to move their stock. I am well aware that many collect for financial and speculative reasons. In fact, I would think there are probably more that do, than those that don't in our online communities. People are free to do as they choose, but I personally find the quest much more fulfilling when the first question I ask myself is "do I want to look at this every day" rather than "do I think this will go up in value?". |
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d.r. perseus
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by d.r. perseus on May 25, 2016 19:16:57 GMT 1, mla/alittle said: "I am well aware that many collect for financial and speculative reasons. In fact, I would think there are probably more that do, than those that don't in our online communities. People are free to do as they choose, but I personally find the quest much more fulfilling when the first question I ask myself is "do I want to look at this every day" rather than "do I think this will go up in value?". "
LMAO. You are balls deep in speculating and flipping.
mla/alittle said: "I am well aware that many collect for financial and speculative reasons. In fact, I would think there are probably more that do, than those that don't in our online communities. People are free to do as they choose, but I personally find the quest much more fulfilling when the first question I ask myself is "do I want to look at this every day" rather than "do I think this will go up in value?". "
LMAO. You are balls deep in speculating and flipping.
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mla
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by mla on May 25, 2016 19:32:12 GMT 1, mla/alittle said: "I am well aware that many collect for financial and speculative reasons. In fact, I would think there are probably more that do, than those that don't in our online communities. People are free to do as they choose, but I personally find the quest much more fulfilling when the first question I ask myself is "do I want to look at this every day" rather than "do I think this will go up in value?". " LMAO. You are balls deep in speculating and flipping.
Not really.
mla/alittle said: "I am well aware that many collect for financial and speculative reasons. In fact, I would think there are probably more that do, than those that don't in our online communities. People are free to do as they choose, but I personally find the quest much more fulfilling when the first question I ask myself is "do I want to look at this every day" rather than "do I think this will go up in value?". " LMAO. You are balls deep in speculating and flipping. Not really. |
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PHLEGM Flight or Fight, by fentem on May 27, 2016 6:20:36 GMT 1, Phlegm chooses to do what he wants and attracts and a clientelle accordingly. There are other artists whose work drops in price that's just the nature of the game even some of BANKSY's have dropped has he sold himself short???
Phlegm chooses to do what he wants and attracts and a clientelle accordingly. There are other artists whose work drops in price that's just the nature of the game even some of BANKSY's have dropped has he sold himself short???
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