Mattmoo08
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Banksys For Sale, by Mattmoo08 on Dec 7, 2016 11:22:39 GMT 1, selling my small mr B collection.ย
All have COA in my name.ย
all framed behind uv Perspex by MFM. Apart from obvious tape from framing good condition.ย
shipping to be paid for buy buyer unless in uk and I'll deliver or meet half way located in Sheffield.ย
Signed JJ ยฃ13.500.00
unsigned
HC ย ย ย ย ย ยฃ6.000.00 sold
Grannies ย ยฃ5.000.00 sold
CND ย ย ย ย ยฃ6.500.00 sold
Love rat. ย ยฃ9.500.00
i put a request for pricing on the price check thread and had little response on some and non on others. Please feel free to comment if pricing is too high or too low ass all feedback is appreciated.ย
Thanks
moo
selling my small mr B collection.ย
All have COA in my name.ย
all framed behind uv Perspex by MFM. Apart from obvious tape from framing good condition.ย
shipping to be paid for buy buyer unless in uk and I'll deliver or meet half way located in Sheffield.ย
Signed JJ ยฃ13.500.00
unsigned
HC ย ย ย ย ย ยฃ6.000.00 sold
Grannies ย ยฃ5.000.00 sold
CND ย ย ย ย ยฃ6.500.00 sold
Love rat. ย ยฃ9.500.00
i put a request for pricing on the price check thread and had little response on some and non on others. Please feel free to comment if pricing is too high or too low ass all feedback is appreciated.ย
Thanks
moo
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brookvale
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Banksys For Sale, by brookvale on Dec 7, 2016 11:45:17 GMT 1, Happy chopper might be a bit low and love rat a little high?
Open to correction?
Happy chopper might be a bit low and love rat a little high?
Open to correction?
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Poster Bob
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Banksys For Sale, by Poster Bob on Dec 7, 2016 11:55:18 GMT 1, The Love Rat is a little low if anything.
The Love Rat is a little low if anything.
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Quinnster
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Banksys For Sale, by Quinnster on Dec 7, 2016 12:52:53 GMT 1, I'm always surprised HC does not get more of a premium as it's an older print and in my opinion one of the best.
I'm always surprised HC does not get more of a premium as it's an older print and in my opinion one of the best.
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BrotherBern
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Banksys For Sale, by BrotherBern on Dec 7, 2016 13:47:25 GMT 1, I'm always surprised HC does not get more of a premium as it's an older print and in my opinion one of the best.
I'm always surprised HC does not get more of a premium as it's an older print and in my opinion one of the best. I totally agree and pretty wall friendly too |
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Dungle
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Banksys For Sale, by Dungle on Dec 7, 2016 13:56:27 GMT 1, The Love Rat is a little low if anything.
I thought worthless if unsigned
The Love Rat is a little low if anything. I thought worthless if unsigned |
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Banksys For Sale, by Fake on Dec 7, 2016 13:56:42 GMT 1, Happy chopper might be a bit low and love rat a little high? Open to correction?
Happy chopper might be a bit low and love rat a little high? Open to correction? HC sold a few weeks ago on contemporayarttrades.com for 6250,- GBP so think the price for a private sale is just a little of? |
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Poster Bob
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Banksys For Sale, by Poster Bob on Dec 7, 2016 14:37:33 GMT 1, In my opinion and in the opinion of many others yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Hang Up are asking ยฃ12,995.
The Love Rat is a little low if anything. I thought worthless if unsigned
In my opinion and in the opinion of many others yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Hang Up are asking ยฃ12,995. The Love Rat is a little low if anything. I thought worthless if unsigned |
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lha
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Banksys For Sale, by lha on Dec 7, 2016 18:04:50 GMT 1, Shit the bed is Grannies at 5k private sale for an unsigned one these days? Not questioning the OP's prices, perhaps I won't be purchasing one next year as planned!!
Shit the bed is Grannies at 5k private sale for an unsigned one these days? Not questioning the OP's prices, perhaps I won't be purchasing one next year as planned!!
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Catman 74
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Banksys For Sale, by Catman 74 on Dec 7, 2016 18:07:22 GMT 1, Hammer prices for unsigned Grannies at the latest auctions were around 3k..don't really understand the 5k private sale..the Bonhams one only fetched 4k including buyer's premium..don't know the condition though but still.
Hammer prices for unsigned Grannies at the latest auctions were around 3k..don't really understand the 5k private sale..the Bonhams one only fetched 4k including buyer's premium..don't know the condition though but still.
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Banksys For Sale, by Poster Bob on Dec 7, 2016 18:21:33 GMT 1, Hammer prices for unsigned Grannies at the latest auctions were around 3k..don't really understand the 5k private sale..the Bonhams one only fetched 4k including buyer's premium..don't know the condition though but still.
Hammer prices for unsigned Grannies at the latest auctions were around 3k..don't really understand the 5k private sale..the Bonhams one only fetched 4k including buyer's premium..don't know the condition though but still. You will see odd auction results at this time of year. No gallery is going to drop their price to ยฃ3k because of a fluke and condition is paramount to value. |
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Banksys For Sale, by bentheartfan on Dec 7, 2016 18:43:19 GMT 1, Hammer prices for unsigned Grannies at the latest auctions were around 3k..don't really understand the 5k private sale..the Bonhams one only fetched 4k including buyer's premium..don't know the condition though but still.
Hammer prices for unsigned Grannies at the latest auctions were around 3k..don't really understand the 5k private sale..the Bonhams one only fetched 4k including buyer's premium..don't know the condition though but still. Can you explain to a newbie like me what that means I can hope to pay for one in a private sale ? Or rather, what valuation that would translate into for a private sale equivalent, all things being equal. |
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Catman 74
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Banksys For Sale, by Catman 74 on Dec 7, 2016 18:47:08 GMT 1, We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress.
We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress.
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Mattmoo08
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Banksys For Sale, by Mattmoo08 on Dec 7, 2016 19:54:08 GMT 1, Thanks to the people that have sent me a PM and Sorry for not getting back to you all yet But Iv been flat out at work all day and not had time.
I'll work my way throu the emails and respond shortly.
Thanks
Moo
Thanks to the people that have sent me a PM and Sorry for not getting back to you all yet But Iv been flat out at work all day and not had time.
I'll work my way throu the emails and respond shortly.
Thanks
Moo
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Poster Bob
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Banksys For Sale, by Poster Bob on Dec 7, 2016 20:14:09 GMT 1, There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work.
We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress.
There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress. |
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Catman 74
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Banksys For Sale, by Catman 74 on Dec 7, 2016 20:39:57 GMT 1, There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress.
Sure..no stress as I said. :-)
There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress. Sure..no stress as I said. :-) |
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lha
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Banksys For Sale, by lha on Dec 7, 2016 20:44:13 GMT 1, I know of a gallery that had one in August, the selling price was ยฃ4,350 - I'd corresponded with the gallery as was interested in purchasing.
I had assumed that a private sale was still at 3.6k or thereabouts..
Maybe things have shifted on since the summer...
I know of a gallery that had one in August, the selling price was ยฃ4,350 - I'd corresponded with the gallery as was interested in purchasing.
I had assumed that a private sale was still at 3.6k or thereabouts..
Maybe things have shifted on since the summer...
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Banksys For Sale, by Fake on Dec 7, 2016 20:46:34 GMT 1, There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress.
There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. We're not talking gallery prices here,are we??Private deals..agreed with the condition of the print as being super important but 5k is pushing for U/S Grannies..Anyway I offered 4.5k cash hassle free deal on the Grannies in the wanted section.. If no one wants to sell at this level so be it.. No stress. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that. |
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Banksys For Sale, by Catman 74 on Dec 7, 2016 21:03:50 GMT 1, There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.ย
Thank you Fake!
There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.ย Thank you Fake! |
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Banksys For Sale, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:12:35 GMT 1, There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.ย
Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days !
There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.ย Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days ! |
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Banksys For Sale, by Poster Bob on Dec 7, 2016 23:13:08 GMT 1, There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.
There is really no difference between private and gallery at the current time. It is so easy to sell a Banksy that galleries are not needed to act as middlemen as much as they were before. I think that his asking price is very fair considering most galleries, including those on the forum, want ยฃ5,500+. I can think of at least two off of the top of my head. Auction results need to be examined in terms of season and the condition of the work. There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that. I was talking about price differences. |
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Banksys For Sale, by Fake on Dec 7, 2016 23:19:59 GMT 1, There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that. I was talking about price differences.
There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that. I was talking about price differences. What the difference? ;-) |
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Banksys For Sale, by andyroo0312 on Dec 7, 2016 23:39:31 GMT 1, I was talking about price differences. What the difference? ;-) 
I was talking about price differences. What the difference? ;-) There isn't any. Its been happening for some time now where forum sellers quote Auction prices to justify their own pricing. Forum or gallery they are pretty much one and the same these days unless you are dealing with a gentleman like that Roo fellow who is old school or just old but believes in mates rates. |
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Banksys For Sale, by Fake on Dec 7, 2016 23:42:18 GMT 1, Posterbobs prices are always very competitive! Top seller ;-)
Posterbobs prices are always very competitive! Top seller ;-)
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Banksys For Sale, by Winks on Dec 8, 2016 6:01:58 GMT 1, There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.ย Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days !
No cgt if not bought with the intention to make a profit. If they were bought to enjoy as art they are a personal asset.
Depending on volume and other badges of trade HMRC may view as trading and expect income tax and ni.
Sorry to mess up your thread with dull stuff op.
There is actually... There is VAT and income Tax a gallery has to pay... so the gallery will take that in to account with the price... A private seller wont have to do that.ย Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days ! No cgt if not bought with the intention to make a profit. If they were bought to enjoy as art they are a personal asset. Depending on volume and other badges of trade HMRC may view as trading and expect income tax and ni. Sorry to mess up your thread with dull stuff op. |
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Banksys For Sale, by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:27:08 GMT 1, Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days ! No cgt if not bought with the intention to make a profit. If they were bought to enjoy as art they are a personal asset. Depending on volume and other badges of trade HMRC may view as trading and expect income tax and ni. Sorry to mess up your thread with dull stuff op.
Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days ! No cgt if not bought with the intention to make a profit. If they were bought to enjoy as art they are a personal asset. Depending on volume and other badges of trade HMRC may view as trading and expect income tax and ni. Sorry to mess up your thread with dull stuff op. Thanks Winks, I had no idea and just assumed that any monies made was liable to CGT. |
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Banksys For Sale, by disappointed on Dec 8, 2016 10:28:26 GMT 1, Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days ! No cgt if not bought with the intention to make a profit. If they were bought to enjoy as art they are a personal asset. Depending on volume and other badges of trade HMRC may view as trading and expect income tax and ni. Sorry to mess up your thread with dull stuff op.
I would offer caution to anyone accepting tax advice unless it is offered by a qualified professional.
That said, I would wish you luck in suggesting to HMRC that
you bought an artwork simply to enjoy it and, as such, should not be liable for the CGT that is due when selling a personal possession, including art, in excess of ยฃ6,000 (unless said art was a gift of course).
The vast majority of personal assets are liable to CGT.
Banksy private sellers just need to be concerned about capital gains tax these days ! No cgt if not bought with the intention to make a profit. If they were bought to enjoy as art they are a personal asset. Depending on volume and other badges of trade HMRC may view as trading and expect income tax and ni. Sorry to mess up your thread with dull stuff op. I would offer caution to anyone accepting tax advice unless it is offered by a qualified professional. That said, I would wish you luck in suggesting to HMRC that you bought an artwork simply to enjoy it and, as such, should not be liable for the CGT that is due when selling a personal possession, including art, in excess of ยฃ6,000 (unless said art was a gift of course). The vast majority of personal assets are liable to CGT. |
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Banksys For Sale, by ashrx on Dec 8, 2016 11:48:21 GMT 1, When you mention good condition apart from tape from framing... I guess until you take out the frame you won't know how or if they have been effected?
Cheers,
When you mention good condition apart from tape from framing... I guess until you take out the frame you won't know how or if they have been effected?
Cheers,
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Banksys For Sale, by chads007 on Dec 8, 2016 12:00:42 GMT 1, I guess if mfm framed, they are fully reversible museum cotton tape or similar.
Nowadays I'd use/request Japanese paper and wheat starch only as it's that little bit easier with q tips
I guess if mfm framed, they are fully reversible museum cotton tape or similar.
Nowadays I'd use/request Japanese paper and wheat starch only as it's that little bit easier with q tips
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Banksys For Sale, by disappointed on Dec 8, 2016 14:36:03 GMT 1, I guess if mfm framed, they are fully reversible museum cotton tape or similar. Nowadays I'd use/request Japanese paper and wheat starch only as it's that little bit easier with q tips
You would hope conservation standard means conservation standard wouldn't you?
It is always worth checking though as I've heard a few stories of some framers not actually carrying out work to the standard requested. Since then I consider it to be very important to ensure that framing requests are specified in writing and that the framer issues a statement of materials/standards used. Just to avoid confusion, but also for accountability.
As an aside I would add that, unless there is damage to the front of the paper, I would consider any minor marks or blemishes to the rear of a print/paper artwork to be an irrelevance. I'm not really a fan of the toy/sneaker collector brand new in box mentality that many bring to collecting prints.
Apologies to the OP for derailing the thread.
I guess if mfm framed, they are fully reversible museum cotton tape or similar. Nowadays I'd use/request Japanese paper and wheat starch only as it's that little bit easier with q tips You would hope conservation standard means conservation standard wouldn't you? It is always worth checking though as I've heard a few stories of some framers not actually carrying out work to the standard requested. Since then I consider it to be very important to ensure that framing requests are specified in writing and that the framer issues a statement of materials/standards used. Just to avoid confusion, but also for accountability. As an aside I would add that, unless there is damage to the front of the paper, I would consider any minor marks or blemishes to the rear of a print/paper artwork to be an irrelevance. I'm not really a fan of the toy/sneaker collector brand new in box mentality that many bring to collecting prints. Apologies to the OP for derailing the thread. |
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