Urban Art Association

no my friend third time !
Enough is enough this guy is mocking us... ahaha , we can laugh too too Italian bro !

Another stencil on street sign how original

Bah, what can Clet do ? Nothing. Apart blacklisted him if el ragazzo wants to buy a panel.
It's not a rob.
Or it's a rob only for the police.
But police maybe does not care and who will call the police ? No me !!
Painting on sign roads , walls , etc ... is a crime. And Banksy always knows that ( and stay anonymous ) .
The forum could just be attacked for concealment of stolen artworks ( sic , or stolen sign roads - double lol
But who cares in fact ?
As said a memebet if it was Banksy street signs ;-D ...
But Clet..,,,

Well said Royston.

Apparently Abraham puts removable stickers on the street signs and for some reason gets permission from the authorities when doing it in France. Plus he sells versions very expensivley.

All in all a hipster promoting himself via street art.

www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2015/may/21/clet-abraham-hacked-street-signs-in-pictures

tuscantraveler.com/2012/florence/tuscan-travelers-tales-clet-abrahams-street-art/

I disagree with Abrahams view regarding street signs in Florence. His stickers add nothing to road safety.

Yep, very sad. Sold on a forum supposedly for street art lovers. Not sure why Daniel Silk is allowing sales like this here. Congrats buyers! Enjoy your unauthenticated road signs and if you missed out, I'm sure this seller will be back with more pieces soon.

Can someone explain this to me:

Artist illegal creates street art.
Fan illegally takes street art.
Fan 'illegally' sells street art. (Notices quotation)

Isn't this just part of street art? Not sure I completely get the outrage of someone 'illegally' selling something they took illegally done by someone who did it illegally? :-)

I think it's that people would rather street art was left on the street.
But people stealing these off the street is fairly inevitable when the versions the artist sells in galleries are pretty identical!

That's interesting. The intention or purpose of the artist.

So what do we make of a commissioned Caravaggio intended for a display in a private religious space, but now relocated to a gallery for the public?

legal or not legal is not the question imho.
Stealing street art is like picking flowers in a botanic garden for your dining room table.

I made the point about ethics, as you had initially made comparisons between the two things as they are both illegal. So I was simply pointing out that they are not necessarily, morally the same issues, just because they are both illegal in the eyes of the law.

I was trying to help answer your question about how someone can be outraged, by illegally placed art being taken off the streets and sold. I was not actually taking sides, and I quite agree with your later point that people have different ethics.

Yeah it is interesting to think about. I guess in the terms of street art there really is not a client. So it would make sense that if the client of the Caravaggio made a decision to move it that's their perogative. However, the 'ownership' of those types of historical works im sure are a lot more complicated in reality.

But in similarity to street art I'd imagine many religious commissions were seen as 'donations to the spiritual world' in the artists eyes regardless of who paid the bill. To me it would appear as if relocating these pieces should be viewed as just as big of a 'crime'.

A Caravaggio that was in a church for centuries for the "benefit of the people" and then moved to a museum or gallery because the poor church cannot afford security for a painting worth millions I can understand. Even though the Caravaggio and other art was painted for the church as a form of smoke and mirrors advertising religious doctrines and texts and paid for with money donated by often the poor and the mainstream religions have billions in the form of land and money in banks etc.

I guess thats similar in some ways to some of these very wealthy artists who create crowdfunding campaigns to get people to donate money to them.

There will always be thieves and people who sell stuff that fell off the back of a lorry. There is always the grey area stuff as in removing street ar and selling it.

Street art is only illegal if a property owner decides to make a complaint to the police. When it's done on private property. Public property depends on whether a local council sees it as vandalism or as harmless and decorative. It's also a fact of life that certain locations like motorway underpasses etc will always get tagged.

I doubt there is anything Clet can do regarding the signs if he stickered them without permission and I doubt it cost him any money or time to produce the stickers and slap them on the signs. It probably took more time to google images and get ideas in order to come up with stickers. I can see that removing and selling street signs with or without stickers can be a criminal offence in it's own right.

Personally I see no commercial value in any street art removed from the street and people who put a value on it and sell it to very mega rich collectors probably move in circles where reality and value exists in their tiny bubble they live in.

I can see in the future a change in the law that if some dealer removes from the street , some street art and sells it for a big profit, it could be classed as looted art and the dealer made to compensate the artist. So far that type of law does not exist because street art is classed as vandalism even though many property owners do not bother making any type of report of vandalism.

As for morals and unwritten laws. It's part of todays culture that we turn a blind eye to what suits us. I don't see many people who buy their whatever recreational drug of their choice caring about all the misery and violence that is part of the chain of events that they contribute to for their fix of happy ness.

lets make one thing clear, putting up a vinyl sticker on a metal sign is not that much of a "vandalism" it can be cleaned with no marks left behind and as long as it don`t damages the surface you only get a fine for illegal advertisement and if you have knowledge or a lawyer you get away with no fine. and stealing a street sign is... stealing and thats a whole other thing than putting up a sticker...