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X2 Lowry prints, by Yes its Me on Apr 17, 2017 11:58:31 GMT 1, What could I buy something like this for ?
What could I buy something like this for ?
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X2 Lowry prints, by milo99 on Apr 17, 2017 12:02:16 GMT 1, Think they're around ยฃ3000. Well some cheaper ones
Think they're around ยฃ3000. Well some cheaper ones
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 12:05:07 GMT 1, Pm me if interested. I'm not looking for the figures quoted by the above poster.
Pm me if interested. I'm not looking for the figures quoted by the above poster.
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X2 Lowry prints, by Alias on Apr 17, 2017 13:21:37 GMT 1, Hi Chads007.
I've had a brief look into Lowry prints and although enticing, there is one problem as far as I can tell. Regarding provenance, as there is no central organisation which monitors/regulates what prints are out there and to whom they are registered, it's all but impossible to get a high degree of certainty for authenticity.
I am not for one second implying that you are not authentic.
I'm just saying that getting a third party independent verification, such as Pest Control for Banksy or HIAC for Hirst's is impossible, which means that it's a bit of Russian Roulette on what you potentially end up with.
Are you aware of any way to address this issue, as I would certainly like to look further into Lowry's prints.
Having said all that, I certainly wish you the best of luck with the sale.
Hi Chads007.
I've had a brief look into Lowry prints and although enticing, there is one problem as far as I can tell. Regarding provenance, as there is no central organisation which monitors/regulates what prints are out there and to whom they are registered, it's all but impossible to get a high degree of certainty for authenticity.
I am not for one second implying that you are not authentic.
I'm just saying that getting a third party independent verification, such as Pest Control for Banksy or HIAC for Hirst's is impossible, which means that it's a bit of Russian Roulette on what you potentially end up with.
Are you aware of any way to address this issue, as I would certainly like to look further into Lowry's prints.
Having said all that, I certainly wish you the best of luck with the sale.
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 13:57:57 GMT 1, Hi Chads007. I've had a brief look into Lowry prints and although enticing, there is one problem as far as I can tell. Regarding provenance, as there is no central organisation which monitors/regulates what prints are out there and to whom they are registered, it's all but impossible to get a high degree of certainty for authenticity. I am not for one second implying that you are not authentic. I'm just saying that getting a third party independent verification, such as Pest Control for Banksy or HIAC for Hirst's is impossible, which means that it's a bit of Russian Roulette on what you potentially end up with. Are you aware of any way to address this issue, as I would certainly like to look further into Lowry's prints. Having said all that, I certainly wish you the best of luck with the sale.
Thanks (?) For your input.
There are not many 'central organisation' for many artists.
Lowry had released various prints and etchings through his lifetime, via various publishers, such as Henry donn. These were in editions varying from 75, 500, 750, 850. There were various unsigned prints released (afaik, no counter signed editions). The editions of 750 were unumbered and part of a Sunday newspaper release.
A lot of prints were blind stamped by the fine art trade guild bottom left and signed in pencil bottom right.
The unsigned for sale has the Henry donn blind stamped and numbered in pencil. Never seen a fake blind stamped version and was bought from a reputable source.
As well as this, Lowry signed and doodled things for friends and acquaintances. The second piece, which was bought from a reputable auction, is an example of this. Of course it does not have the full value of a stamped and numbered edition, but it is authentic all the same and collectable.
Hi Chads007. I've had a brief look into Lowry prints and although enticing, there is one problem as far as I can tell. Regarding provenance, as there is no central organisation which monitors/regulates what prints are out there and to whom they are registered, it's all but impossible to get a high degree of certainty for authenticity. I am not for one second implying that you are not authentic. I'm just saying that getting a third party independent verification, such as Pest Control for Banksy or HIAC for Hirst's is impossible, which means that it's a bit of Russian Roulette on what you potentially end up with. Are you aware of any way to address this issue, as I would certainly like to look further into Lowry's prints. Having said all that, I certainly wish you the best of luck with the sale. Thanks (?) For your input. There are not many 'central organisation' for many artists. Lowry had released various prints and etchings through his lifetime, via various publishers, such as Henry donn. These were in editions varying from 75, 500, 750, 850. There were various unsigned prints released (afaik, no counter signed editions). The editions of 750 were unumbered and part of a Sunday newspaper release. A lot of prints were blind stamped by the fine art trade guild bottom left and signed in pencil bottom right. The unsigned for sale has the Henry donn blind stamped and numbered in pencil. Never seen a fake blind stamped version and was bought from a reputable source. As well as this, Lowry signed and doodled things for friends and acquaintances. The second piece, which was bought from a reputable auction, is an example of this. Of course it does not have the full value of a stamped and numbered edition, but it is authentic all the same and collectable. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by Alias on Apr 17, 2017 14:29:13 GMT 1, Hi Chads007. I've had a brief look into Lowry prints and although enticing, there is one problem as far as I can tell. Regarding provenance, as there is no central organisation which monitors/regulates what prints are out there and to whom they are registered, it's all but impossible to get a high degree of certainty for authenticity. I am not for one second implying that you are not authentic. I'm just saying that getting a third party independent verification, such as Pest Control for Banksy or HIAC for Hirst's is impossible, which means that it's a bit of Russian Roulette on what you potentially end up with. Are you aware of any way to address this issue, as I would certainly like to look further into Lowry's prints. Having said all that, I certainly wish you the best of luck with the sale. Thanks (?) For your input. There are not many 'central organisation' for many artists. Lowry had released various prints and etchings through his lifetime, via various publishers, such as Henry donn. These were in editions varying from 75, 500, 750, 850. There were various unsigned prints released (afaik, no counter signed editions). The editions of 750 were unumbered and part of a Sunday newspaper release. A lot of prints were blind stamped by the fine art trade guild bottom left and signed in pencil bottom right. The unsigned for sale has the Henry donn blind stamped and numbered in pencil. Never seen a fake blind stamped version and was bought from a reputable source. As well as this, Lowry signed and doodled things for friends and acquaintances. The second piece, which was bought from a reputable auction, is an example of this. Of course it does not have the full value of a stamped and numbered edition, but it is authentic all the same and collectable.
This is what I absolutely like about this forum. Thank you very much for not only addressing my question, but also taking the time to impart some much appreciated knowledge about the prints.
You're a true gent and again, best of luck with the sale ๐๐ผ
Hi Chads007. I've had a brief look into Lowry prints and although enticing, there is one problem as far as I can tell. Regarding provenance, as there is no central organisation which monitors/regulates what prints are out there and to whom they are registered, it's all but impossible to get a high degree of certainty for authenticity. I am not for one second implying that you are not authentic. I'm just saying that getting a third party independent verification, such as Pest Control for Banksy or HIAC for Hirst's is impossible, which means that it's a bit of Russian Roulette on what you potentially end up with. Are you aware of any way to address this issue, as I would certainly like to look further into Lowry's prints. Having said all that, I certainly wish you the best of luck with the sale. Thanks (?) For your input. There are not many 'central organisation' for many artists. Lowry had released various prints and etchings through his lifetime, via various publishers, such as Henry donn. These were in editions varying from 75, 500, 750, 850. There were various unsigned prints released (afaik, no counter signed editions). The editions of 750 were unumbered and part of a Sunday newspaper release. A lot of prints were blind stamped by the fine art trade guild bottom left and signed in pencil bottom right. The unsigned for sale has the Henry donn blind stamped and numbered in pencil. Never seen a fake blind stamped version and was bought from a reputable source. As well as this, Lowry signed and doodled things for friends and acquaintances. The second piece, which was bought from a reputable auction, is an example of this. Of course it does not have the full value of a stamped and numbered edition, but it is authentic all the same and collectable. This is what I absolutely like about this forum. Thank you very much for not only addressing my question, but also taking the time to impart some much appreciated knowledge about the prints. You're a true gent and again, best of luck with the sale ๐๐ผ |
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X2 Lowry prints, by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 16:31:41 GMT 1, For any members who have or are looking to buy here is a very good resource for Lowry prints which I have used many times
www.lowry.co.uk/?gclid=COKphsvmq9MCFde6GwoddDgARg
Please be warned though that the market is absolutely and I mean absolutely flooded with fakes......and I will mention no names but a high percentage are being put through a certain auction house.
As always "Concrete Provenance is essential" just because it is being sold through an auction house does not make it right.
For any members who have or are looking to buy here is a very good resource for Lowry prints which I have used many times www.lowry.co.uk/?gclid=COKphsvmq9MCFde6GwoddDgARgPlease be warned though that the market is absolutely and I mean absolutely flooded with fakes......and I will mention no names but a high percentage are being put through a certain auction house. As always "Concrete Provenance is essential" just because it is being sold through an auction house does not make it right. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 16:42:24 GMT 1, Good resource, but the guy running the gallery is an arse.
By the way, search Lowry on eBay and most of the little paintings, drawings etc are fake and the price reflects that.
Not seen any official, stamped faked prints myself. There was one recently viaduct passage, signed. The giveaway being it was never a signed release and the signature looked crap. I informed that seller and it was removed.
If you know the signature, and what to look for and have some common sense/exercise due diligence, you will know what is right or wrong.
The unsigned prints are not as sought, and not faked. The things that get faked (passed off as being Lowry's signature) are mostly the little sketches, doodles etc.
Good resource, but the guy running the gallery is an arse.
By the way, search Lowry on eBay and most of the little paintings, drawings etc are fake and the price reflects that.
Not seen any official, stamped faked prints myself. There was one recently viaduct passage, signed. The giveaway being it was never a signed release and the signature looked crap. I informed that seller and it was removed.
If you know the signature, and what to look for and have some common sense/exercise due diligence, you will know what is right or wrong.
The unsigned prints are not as sought, and not faked. The things that get faked (passed off as being Lowry's signature) are mostly the little sketches, doodles etc.
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chads007
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 17:25:33 GMT 1, For any members who have or are looking to buy here is a very good resource for Lowry prints which I have used many times www.lowry.co.uk/?gclid=COKphsvmq9MCFde6GwoddDgARgPlease be warned though that the market is absolutely and I mean absolutely flooded with fakes......and I will mention no names but a high percentage are being put through a certain auction house. As always "Concrete Provenance is essential" just because it is being sold through an auction house does not make it right.
Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks.
For any members who have or are looking to buy here is a very good resource for Lowry prints which I have used many times www.lowry.co.uk/?gclid=COKphsvmq9MCFde6GwoddDgARgPlease be warned though that the market is absolutely and I mean absolutely flooded with fakes......and I will mention no names but a high percentage are being put through a certain auction house. As always "Concrete Provenance is essential" just because it is being sold through an auction house does not make it right. Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 17:36:28 GMT 1, Good resource, but the guy running the gallery is an arse. By the way, search Lowry on eBay and most of the little paintings, drawings etc are fake and the price reflects that. Not seen any official, stamped faked prints myself. There was one recently viaduct passage, signed. The giveaway being it was never a signed release and the signature looked crap. I informed that seller and it was removed. If you know the signature, and what to look for and have some common sense/exercise due diligence, you will know what is right or wrong. The unsigned prints are not as sought, and not faked. The things that get faked (passed off as being Lowry's signature) are mostly the little sketches, doodles etc.
I agree about Ebay, some are laughable and so many on all the time yet it always amazes me that people still buy them!! I suppose it's that "maybe it could be mentality"
I disagree about the faked print's, a few years ago you could pick up a signed Lowry for a few hundred quid then suddenly they start going through auction at ยฃ1500 upwards, I am not saying that his work does not deserve to be at these prices but this has certainly fueled the fakers. I have seen them and know that they are in circulation and yes of course common sense is what you would expect but some do not have the knowledge or experience when buying art so can easily fall into the trap of buying something that is not right.
I also know for a fact that the guy who is the authority on Lowry has an arrangement with the big auction houses not to put any new Lowry's onto the market unless they come from a certain source (nepotism at it's best) (I am talking about original works here not print's) it's a big long story which I do not think is appropriate to put on a public forum but believe it or not this is what is going on and I am sure not only with Lowry.
I myself had an original pencil sketch by Lowry a few years ago that came from a very reliable private source, I had two gallery owners who are very experienced in dealing in Lowry look at it and both agreed that it was right yet when it went to this chap for the final say he dismissed it as a fake!!! what can you do...that's just the way it work's and that is why whatever I buy now I keep a cast iron paper trail for the artwork so that in years to come when I or my Son's sell it they can be no issues in it's authenticity.
I deal in second hand art every day and the amount of fakes I come across is staggering even at the low end of the market that I deal in.
Good resource, but the guy running the gallery is an arse. By the way, search Lowry on eBay and most of the little paintings, drawings etc are fake and the price reflects that. Not seen any official, stamped faked prints myself. There was one recently viaduct passage, signed. The giveaway being it was never a signed release and the signature looked crap. I informed that seller and it was removed. If you know the signature, and what to look for and have some common sense/exercise due diligence, you will know what is right or wrong. The unsigned prints are not as sought, and not faked. The things that get faked (passed off as being Lowry's signature) are mostly the little sketches, doodles etc. I don't know the guy so cannot comment on his personality, I purely use it as a source to see edition sizes, publishers details etc I agree about Ebay, some are laughable and so many on all the time yet it always amazes me that people still buy them!! I suppose it's that "maybe it could be mentality" I disagree about the faked print's, a few years ago you could pick up a signed Lowry for a few hundred quid then suddenly they start going through auction at ยฃ1500 upwards, I am not saying that his work does not deserve to be at these prices but this has certainly fueled the fakers. I have seen them and know that they are in circulation and yes of course common sense is what you would expect but some do not have the knowledge or experience when buying art so can easily fall into the trap of buying something that is not right. I also know for a fact that the guy who is the authority on Lowry has an arrangement with the big auction houses not to put any new Lowry's onto the market unless they come from a certain source (nepotism at it's best) (I am talking about original works here not print's) it's a big long story which I do not think is appropriate to put on a public forum but believe it or not this is what is going on and I am sure not only with Lowry. I myself had an original pencil sketch by Lowry a few years ago that came from a very reliable private source, I had two gallery owners who are very experienced in dealing in Lowry look at it and both agreed that it was right yet when it went to this chap for the final say he dismissed it as a fake!!! what can you do...that's just the way it work's and that is why whatever I buy now I keep a cast iron paper trail for the artwork so that in years to come when I or my Son's sell it they can be no issues in it's authenticity. I deal in second hand art every day and the amount of fakes I come across is staggering even at the low end of the market that I deal in. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 17:38:22 GMT 1, Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks.
In response to this "I don't think so"
Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks.
In response to this "I don't think so"
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X2 Lowry prints, by Alias on Apr 17, 2017 17:47:45 GMT 1, For any members who have or are looking to buy here is a very good resource for Lowry prints which I have used many times www.lowry.co.uk/?gclid=COKphsvmq9MCFde6GwoddDgARgPlease be warned though that the market is absolutely and I mean absolutely flooded with fakes......and I will mention no names but a high percentage are being put through a certain auction house. As always "Concrete Provenance is essential" just because it is being sold through an auction house does not make it right.
Hey cjp. Appreciate the info. Thanks.
For any members who have or are looking to buy here is a very good resource for Lowry prints which I have used many times www.lowry.co.uk/?gclid=COKphsvmq9MCFde6GwoddDgARgPlease be warned though that the market is absolutely and I mean absolutely flooded with fakes......and I will mention no names but a high percentage are being put through a certain auction house. As always "Concrete Provenance is essential" just because it is being sold through an auction house does not make it right. Hey cjp. Appreciate the info. Thanks. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 18:13:33 GMT 1, Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks. In response to this "I don't think so"
Why?
Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks. In response to this "I don't think so" Why? |
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X2 Lowry prints, by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 18:50:04 GMT 1, Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks. In response to this "I don't think so" Why?
I have given my opinions based on my experience on this thread to try and help other forum members.
Also, please give heads up to members, which auction house has knowingly sold fake Prints, with any links to evidence, so we know not to buy from them. Thanks. In response to this "I don't think so" Why? It is very obvious why and I expect that you know why I would not want to do this so Stop being silly. I have given my opinions based on my experience on this thread to try and help other forum members. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 19:02:16 GMT 1, It is very obvious why and I expect that you know why I would not want to do this so Stop being silly. I have given my opinions based on my experience on this thread to try and help other forum members.
Stop derailing threads if you've no information to add. I've bought and sold here for over 5 years, never owned or sold anything that isn't genuine, so you're vacuous post which tries to cast doubt is not helpful. If anyone is interested or would like factual information rather than anecdotes, is free to pm me.
It is very obvious why and I expect that you know why I would not want to do this so Stop being silly. I have given my opinions based on my experience on this thread to try and help other forum members. Stop derailing threads if you've no information to add. I've bought and sold here for over 5 years, never owned or sold anything that isn't genuine, so you're vacuous post which tries to cast doubt is not helpful. If anyone is interested or would like factual information rather than anecdotes, is free to pm me. |
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X2 Lowry prints, by Majestic on Apr 17, 2017 19:02:59 GMT 1, Something different - GLWTS
Something different - GLWTS
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X2 Lowry prints, by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 19:46:53 GMT 1, My post's were certainly not added with the intention of casting any doubt and I had no intention of derailing your thread and it was a genuine mistake on my part not realising that you were looking to sell the print's. As far as adding relevant information I think you will find that my post's were very relative for anyone looking to buy a Lowry signed or unsigned print.
As you have now stated that you are looking to sell the prints I genuinely wish you look with the sale.
My post's were certainly not added with the intention of casting any doubt and I had no intention of derailing your thread and it was a genuine mistake on my part not realising that you were looking to sell the print's. As far as adding relevant information I think you will find that my post's were very relative for anyone looking to buy a Lowry signed or unsigned print.
As you have now stated that you are looking to sell the prints I genuinely wish you look with the sale.
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X2 Lowry prints, by chads007 on Apr 17, 2017 22:32:59 GMT 1, ^fair play
Further pictures for those that asked
^fair play
Further pictures for those that asked
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X2 Lowry prints, by jig5aw on Oct 25, 2017 21:29:18 GMT 1, Anyone ever bought from Sworders fine art auctioneers? Nice looking Lowry drawing for sale!
Anyone ever bought from Sworders fine art auctioneers? Nice looking Lowry drawing for sale!
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X2 Lowry prints, by gd79 on Oct 25, 2017 21:57:06 GMT 1, Funnily enough they have a load of Banksy prints coming up.
I have bought small things from them - jewellery and books mainly. They are based in the village next to where I grew up. They are a good auction house.
My only concern in all of these cases is if a seller has something genuine, cast iron, and wants the best price, then why not go to one of the big auction houses?
Funnily enough they have a load of Banksy prints coming up.
I have bought small things from them - jewellery and books mainly. They are based in the village next to where I grew up. They are a good auction house.
My only concern in all of these cases is if a seller has something genuine, cast iron, and wants the best price, then why not go to one of the big auction houses?
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X2 Lowry prints, by jig5aw on Oct 25, 2017 22:36:40 GMT 1, Funnily enough they have a load of Banksy prints coming up. I have bought small things from them - jewellery and books mainly. They are based in the village next to where I grew up. They are a good auction house. My only concern in all of these cases is if a seller has something genuine, cast iron, and wants the best price, then why not go to one of the big auction houses?
interesting! Is there anything about their history that would make you doubt its authenticity?
Funnily enough they have a load of Banksy prints coming up. I have bought small things from them - jewellery and books mainly. They are based in the village next to where I grew up. They are a good auction house. My only concern in all of these cases is if a seller has something genuine, cast iron, and wants the best price, then why not go to one of the big auction houses? interesting! Is there anything about their history that would make you doubt its authenticity? |
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X2 Lowry prints, by gd79 on Oct 26, 2017 5:53:20 GMT 1, I haven't given them more than a cursory glance. I'm sure there are plenty on this forum that could opine.
I haven't given them more than a cursory glance. I'm sure there are plenty on this forum that could opine.
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