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Instagram VS Gallery, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on May 4, 2017 1:46:46 GMT 1, Since Im back on the forum I thought why not bring up a topic that has been at the forefront of many conversations for not only Gallerists, but artists and Collectors as well. My last post on the other thread kind of summarized the way I feel about it at times but I don't feel its such an easy answer.
I know many of you collectors in here have done both, but things are changing and instagram is a viable option to buy and collect work. Galleries will need to compete and confront new technology and so forth. I don't think my issue is with people buying direct, I just dont think people understand how its shaping the industry. And when I am talking its more the middle level to lower level galleries and artists affected. Top tier artists dont sell anywhere except a gallery, and top tier galleries its tough to buy work sometimes if your not one of their collectors. So lets keep the conversation to our tier of galleries.
Ive seen many galleries shut their doors or relocate due to changes in the market and just rental prices. When these galleries disappear some for just screwing artists, and having bad customer service we all say hey id rather buy direct than support a bad gallery. But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening. Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work. Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system? Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect? Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world. If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom. Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation.
I know its a large amount of text and questions, but this is a collectors forum and I am curious to hear your insight. As an artist myself and a Gallerist/curator i see both sides yet believe that there isnt any right answer only conversation.
Since Im back on the forum I thought why not bring up a topic that has been at the forefront of many conversations for not only Gallerists, but artists and Collectors as well. My last post on the other thread kind of summarized the way I feel about it at times but I don't feel its such an easy answer.
I know many of you collectors in here have done both, but things are changing and instagram is a viable option to buy and collect work. Galleries will need to compete and confront new technology and so forth. I don't think my issue is with people buying direct, I just dont think people understand how its shaping the industry. And when I am talking its more the middle level to lower level galleries and artists affected. Top tier artists dont sell anywhere except a gallery, and top tier galleries its tough to buy work sometimes if your not one of their collectors. So lets keep the conversation to our tier of galleries.
Ive seen many galleries shut their doors or relocate due to changes in the market and just rental prices. When these galleries disappear some for just screwing artists, and having bad customer service we all say hey id rather buy direct than support a bad gallery. But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening. Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work. Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system? Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect? Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world. If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom. Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation.
I know its a large amount of text and questions, but this is a collectors forum and I am curious to hear your insight. As an artist myself and a Gallerist/curator i see both sides yet believe that there isnt any right answer only conversation.
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mla
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Instagram VS Gallery, by mla on May 4, 2017 3:30:38 GMT 1, But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish?
If they aren't seeing success, I would argue that they are doing a poor job at managing the administrative side of their business, or don't understand what their customers, or the market in general want.
Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening?
Why not? Artists can still work within a consistent theme and show pieces on instagram over a given period of time. Instead of collectors talking about the work for the duration of a standard exhibit (say, 30 days), they now discuss and dissect the work for longer.
Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work?
I think they can and do. It's easier to sell a piece at a time than 20 at once and even if they don't sell, there is less visibility of that fact than there would be with a gallery.
Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system?
Yes, I am a worthy curator for my own personal collection, as is any other collector for their own collection.
Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect?
It all depends what your motives are here. If you follow the often preached "buy what you love", does any of this matter? Beyond that, the artists promote themselves, especially within the urban art realm by doing murals which increase their following, and thus the demand for their work.
Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world?
In some ways, yes. I would think younger collectors are more likely to try to thwart the traditional model, whereas older collectors have more comfort with it.
If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom?
As noted above, I think the collectors who patronize each tier are in general, from different generations. Older collectors typically have greater wealth, and more likely to be buying artwork exhibited from top tiers. They are used to the system in place and do not take issue with it. Younger collectors typically have less wealth and will be looking at emerging artists which are represented by lower tier galleries. These collectors may also want to save money, so may try to circumvent the gallery system even if the artist is represented by a gallery.
Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation?
Probably not, but then again, I don't really care. I would think the possibility of reaching the pinnacle of the art world is fairly limited regardless of representation, unless taking a prestigious path from the start.
But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish?
If they aren't seeing success, I would argue that they are doing a poor job at managing the administrative side of their business, or don't understand what their customers, or the market in general want.
Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening?
Why not? Artists can still work within a consistent theme and show pieces on instagram over a given period of time. Instead of collectors talking about the work for the duration of a standard exhibit (say, 30 days), they now discuss and dissect the work for longer.
Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work?
I think they can and do. It's easier to sell a piece at a time than 20 at once and even if they don't sell, there is less visibility of that fact than there would be with a gallery.
Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system?
Yes, I am a worthy curator for my own personal collection, as is any other collector for their own collection.
Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect?
It all depends what your motives are here. If you follow the often preached "buy what you love", does any of this matter? Beyond that, the artists promote themselves, especially within the urban art realm by doing murals which increase their following, and thus the demand for their work.
Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world?
In some ways, yes. I would think younger collectors are more likely to try to thwart the traditional model, whereas older collectors have more comfort with it.
If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom?
As noted above, I think the collectors who patronize each tier are in general, from different generations. Older collectors typically have greater wealth, and more likely to be buying artwork exhibited from top tiers. They are used to the system in place and do not take issue with it. Younger collectors typically have less wealth and will be looking at emerging artists which are represented by lower tier galleries. These collectors may also want to save money, so may try to circumvent the gallery system even if the artist is represented by a gallery.
Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation?
Probably not, but then again, I don't really care. I would think the possibility of reaching the pinnacle of the art world is fairly limited regardless of representation, unless taking a prestigious path from the start.
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Instagram VS Gallery, by dwight on May 4, 2017 3:31:56 GMT 1, I don't know anything from a gallery perspective, but I love instagram for artists. Especially artists which I am already familiar with the quality and composition of their works. Last year I bought a Daniel Turner object from a gallery in berlin, but it was only because I had already seen many of his works in person. I would and have similarly bought Bast and Faile works that way.
Also there is no way that I can see every show or artist in person. I'd much prefer to see a show in person but seeing others perspective through instagram vs not seeing it at all is still better. Also, if someone references an artist like #danielturner #ryanmrozowski #jeffzilm all you have to do is check that hashtag to get a broad variety of their works.
I don't know anything from a gallery perspective, but I love instagram for artists. Especially artists which I am already familiar with the quality and composition of their works. Last year I bought a Daniel Turner object from a gallery in berlin, but it was only because I had already seen many of his works in person. I would and have similarly bought Bast and Faile works that way.
Also there is no way that I can see every show or artist in person. I'd much prefer to see a show in person but seeing others perspective through instagram vs not seeing it at all is still better. Also, if someone references an artist like #danielturner #ryanmrozowski #jeffzilm all you have to do is check that hashtag to get a broad variety of their works.
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cmc
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Instagram VS Gallery, by cmc on May 4, 2017 4:14:05 GMT 1, I do not have a great deal of insight but I will share some of my thoughts.
In a purely business sense, perhaps there are other reasons for galleries closing doors it must be increasingly difficult when they have to compete with said global brand of clothing or coffee, rental rates in many cities are unfeasible for most independent businesses. In the modern age there is a need to work with modern forms of doing business, social media, online presence it is all a major factor. It is not only galleries that need to adapt but most retailers, especially those engaging with a middle aged to younger audience.
On the subject of 'online' sales of an artists work as a whole versus the gallery, In a way I think there are aspects of this debate that are relevant to the 'in the flesh' experience of seeing works. Looking at things on a screen will never have the same impact or make as much of an impression on the beholder so in that regard it would certainly be a great shame if these middle tier artists didn't have the space to exhibit, but adversely the market that will purchase (or attempt to) the print compared to those that will see the exhibition are 100 to 1 and arguably they would desire the work as much whether they have been to the exhibition or not.
The commodification of art has been happening for some time and the selling of art in the same way, through retail outlets with heavy (albeit subtle) advertising, mass production, placement it's all a part of where we are with a number of established names. 95% of people who have bought Kaws 'art' will have done it online never having been to a gallery show.
A few questions, when we say selling on instagram are we really just talking about artists selling their work themselves as opposed to through a gallery or representative?
What is the norm here, is there an unsaid exclusivity agreement? does the artist agree to direct all business to the gallery? Talking from my own experience in this regard I have contacted a few galleries looking to buy works but have not been replied to. This led me to going direct to the artist and buying from them, they did however in one case mention said gallery and I told them they hadn't got back to me so he sold to me direct. It seems strange to me in this day and age that any business would not reply to potential customers, perhaps this is a part of some changes that galleries need to make.
I do not have a great deal of insight but I will share some of my thoughts.
In a purely business sense, perhaps there are other reasons for galleries closing doors it must be increasingly difficult when they have to compete with said global brand of clothing or coffee, rental rates in many cities are unfeasible for most independent businesses. In the modern age there is a need to work with modern forms of doing business, social media, online presence it is all a major factor. It is not only galleries that need to adapt but most retailers, especially those engaging with a middle aged to younger audience.
On the subject of 'online' sales of an artists work as a whole versus the gallery, In a way I think there are aspects of this debate that are relevant to the 'in the flesh' experience of seeing works. Looking at things on a screen will never have the same impact or make as much of an impression on the beholder so in that regard it would certainly be a great shame if these middle tier artists didn't have the space to exhibit, but adversely the market that will purchase (or attempt to) the print compared to those that will see the exhibition are 100 to 1 and arguably they would desire the work as much whether they have been to the exhibition or not.
The commodification of art has been happening for some time and the selling of art in the same way, through retail outlets with heavy (albeit subtle) advertising, mass production, placement it's all a part of where we are with a number of established names. 95% of people who have bought Kaws 'art' will have done it online never having been to a gallery show.
A few questions, when we say selling on instagram are we really just talking about artists selling their work themselves as opposed to through a gallery or representative?
What is the norm here, is there an unsaid exclusivity agreement? does the artist agree to direct all business to the gallery? Talking from my own experience in this regard I have contacted a few galleries looking to buy works but have not been replied to. This led me to going direct to the artist and buying from them, they did however in one case mention said gallery and I told them they hadn't got back to me so he sold to me direct. It seems strange to me in this day and age that any business would not reply to potential customers, perhaps this is a part of some changes that galleries need to make.
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natstan
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Instagram VS Gallery, by natstan on May 4, 2017 6:13:43 GMT 1, But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish?If they aren't seeing success, I would argue that they are doing a poor job at managing the administrative side of their business, or don't understand what their customers, or the market in general want. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening?Why not? Artists can still work within a consistent theme and show pieces on instagram over a given period of time. Instead of collectors talking about the work for the duration of a standard exhibit (say, 30 days), they now discuss and dissect the work for longer. Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work? I think they can and do. It's easier to sell a piece at a time than 20 at once and even if they don't sell, there is less visibility of that fact than there would be with a gallery. Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system? Yes, I am a worthy curator for my own personal collection, as is any other collector for their own collection. Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect? It all depends what your motives are here. If you follow the often preached "buy what you love", does any of this matter? Beyond that, the artists promote themselves, especially within the urban art realm by doing murals which increase their following, and thus the demand for their work. Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world?In some ways, yes. I would think younger collectors are more likely to try to thwart the traditional model, whereas older collectors have more comfort with it. If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom?As noted above, I think the collectors who patronize each tier are in general, from different generations. Older collectors typically have greater wealth, and more likely to be buying artwork exhibited from top tiers. They are used to the system in place and do not take issue with it. Younger collectors typically have less wealth and will be looking at emerging artists which are represented by lower tier galleries. These collectors may also want to save money, so may try to circumvent the gallery system even if the artist is represented by a gallery. Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation?Probably not, but then again, I don't really care. I would think the possibility of reaching the pinnacle of the art world is fairly limited regardless of representation, unless taking a prestigious path from the start.
You really captured the essence of the contemporary art collecting model. We now curate works that interest us on a personal level on social media daily, rather than have galleries and museums tell us that something is good and worthy of their representation. Do we have to think it's good if you think it's good? Not necessarily.
The galleries that are still stuck in the traditional model will only be left behind and fold.
But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish?If they aren't seeing success, I would argue that they are doing a poor job at managing the administrative side of their business, or don't understand what their customers, or the market in general want. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening?Why not? Artists can still work within a consistent theme and show pieces on instagram over a given period of time. Instead of collectors talking about the work for the duration of a standard exhibit (say, 30 days), they now discuss and dissect the work for longer. Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work? I think they can and do. It's easier to sell a piece at a time than 20 at once and even if they don't sell, there is less visibility of that fact than there would be with a gallery. Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system? Yes, I am a worthy curator for my own personal collection, as is any other collector for their own collection. Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect? It all depends what your motives are here. If you follow the often preached "buy what you love", does any of this matter? Beyond that, the artists promote themselves, especially within the urban art realm by doing murals which increase their following, and thus the demand for their work. Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world?In some ways, yes. I would think younger collectors are more likely to try to thwart the traditional model, whereas older collectors have more comfort with it. If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom?As noted above, I think the collectors who patronize each tier are in general, from different generations. Older collectors typically have greater wealth, and more likely to be buying artwork exhibited from top tiers. They are used to the system in place and do not take issue with it. Younger collectors typically have less wealth and will be looking at emerging artists which are represented by lower tier galleries. These collectors may also want to save money, so may try to circumvent the gallery system even if the artist is represented by a gallery. Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation?Probably not, but then again, I don't really care. I would think the possibility of reaching the pinnacle of the art world is fairly limited regardless of representation, unless taking a prestigious path from the start. You really captured the essence of the contemporary art collecting model. We now curate works that interest us on a personal level on social media daily, rather than have galleries and museums tell us that something is good and worthy of their representation. Do we have to think it's good if you think it's good? Not necessarily. The galleries that are still stuck in the traditional model will only be left behind and fold. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 8:45:45 GMT 1, But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish?If they aren't seeing success, I would argue that they are doing a poor job at managing the administrative side of their business, or don't understand what their customers, or the market in general want. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening?Why not? Artists can still work within a consistent theme and show pieces on instagram over a given period of time. Instead of collectors talking about the work for the duration of a standard exhibit (say, 30 days), they now discuss and dissect the work for longer. You really captured the essence of the contemporary art collecting model. We now curate works that interest us on a personal level on social media daily, rather than have galleries and museums tell us that something is good and worthy of their representation. Do we have to think it's good if you think it's good? Not necessarily. The galleries that are still stuck in the traditional model will only be left behind and fold.
You have to create new proposals or you will end up with a very bad dynamics as we can see sometimes in street art (coulure and cheap graffiti on canvas)...
Often my desire is to leave the market and propose something that is not part of it, but it's very complicate to find open mind, many people want to collect the same things.
I own an online gallery and we make some physical event in Paris mainly.
The French market is not ready for online sale. It's growing but we are at the beginning.
You just have to take a look to Artsper or similar platforms.
For me, Instagram or other won't replace a 6 month cohesive body of work between gallery and artists : as long as I can, I will offer physical exhibitions, which allows a meeting between visitors, collectors, artists, gallerists, between people and not just satisfy a need to buy.
Organizing an exhibition and presenting it in a professional way is a full-time job that many consider as simply hanging an artwork on a wall.
An instagram post will live during approximately 21h, and your looking through your phone, all the pictures are calibrated, your judgement on the artwork can't be good.
But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish?If they aren't seeing success, I would argue that they are doing a poor job at managing the administrative side of their business, or don't understand what their customers, or the market in general want. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening?Why not? Artists can still work within a consistent theme and show pieces on instagram over a given period of time. Instead of collectors talking about the work for the duration of a standard exhibit (say, 30 days), they now discuss and dissect the work for longer. You really captured the essence of the contemporary art collecting model. We now curate works that interest us on a personal level on social media daily, rather than have galleries and museums tell us that something is good and worthy of their representation. Do we have to think it's good if you think it's good? Not necessarily. The galleries that are still stuck in the traditional model will only be left behind and fold. It's more complicated, manage a gallery is not going in the market direction. You have to create new proposals or you will end up with a very bad dynamics as we can see sometimes in street art (coulure and cheap graffiti on canvas)... Often my desire is to leave the market and propose something that is not part of it, but it's very complicate to find open mind, many people want to collect the same things. I own an online gallery and we make some physical event in Paris mainly. The French market is not ready for online sale. It's growing but we are at the beginning. You just have to take a look to Artsper or similar platforms. For me, Instagram or other won't replace a 6 month cohesive body of work between gallery and artists : as long as I can, I will offer physical exhibitions, which allows a meeting between visitors, collectors, artists, gallerists, between people and not just satisfy a need to buy. Organizing an exhibition and presenting it in a professional way is a full-time job that many consider as simply hanging an artwork on a wall. An instagram post will live during approximately 21h, and your looking through your phone, all the pictures are calibrated, your judgement on the artwork can't be good. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by iamzero on May 4, 2017 8:51:21 GMT 1, The buyer and seller definitely get a better deal from Instagram. You can see this in the Sweet Toof pieces on offer at a current show... around double the price of buying direct.
The buyer and seller definitely get a better deal from Instagram. You can see this in the Sweet Toof pieces on offer at a current show... around double the price of buying direct.
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Instagram VS Gallery, by bentheartfan on May 4, 2017 9:49:17 GMT 1, This - while I love looking at art in person (gallery, museum, street, someone's home), the breadth of content I can find on Instagram is breathtaking. I can click a hashtag and just look at different Mark Rothko paintings for an hour.
I also enjoy Instagram stories and videos showing artists working on pieces - David Choe's recent posts painting with a broom are amazing as an example.
This - while I love looking at art in person (gallery, museum, street, someone's home), the breadth of content I can find on Instagram is breathtaking. I can click a hashtag and just look at different Mark Rothko paintings for an hour. I also enjoy Instagram stories and videos showing artists working on pieces - David Choe's recent posts painting with a broom are amazing as an example. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by st0ni0 on May 4, 2017 10:28:42 GMT 1, I've recently purchased two pieces direct on Instagram from the artist - they were scarcely available anywhere else and when they were they were very expensive (in comparison).
I've also bought from online galleries and 'high-st' galleries. For me it's about supply and demand....if I want something and can only get it via Instagram....then off I go.
Most artists I've messaged on Instagram have come straight back to me - in some way this accessibility makes their work more appealing to me.
Interesting debate though!
I've recently purchased two pieces direct on Instagram from the artist - they were scarcely available anywhere else and when they were they were very expensive (in comparison).
I've also bought from online galleries and 'high-st' galleries. For me it's about supply and demand....if I want something and can only get it via Instagram....then off I go.
Most artists I've messaged on Instagram have come straight back to me - in some way this accessibility makes their work more appealing to me.
Interesting debate though!
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tartarus
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Instagram VS Gallery, by tartarus on May 4, 2017 11:30:42 GMT 1, I just find it much nicer to buy direct from artists. Its just nicer to have some chat etc while going through the process. I know you gallery guys play a roll in getting art and artists out there, but where you may have a nice long list of clients built up over years, the internet has access to almost everyone. So its actually a way wider market and so much easier to access than going to a show somewhere.
Your other problem from it is the impulse buying that goes on in the art collecting game. I know ive done it with most things i have, see it, have to have it, buy it, worry about finding the bill money some other way! So basically because the internet is always open, my money is often spent before i even get up to go to a show. Even if i try to stash some for a show, one must have turns up and its gone! The pitfalls of instant gratification in humans.
In my mind one thing is pretty stand out about the gallery experience and it always did, very few galleries go to any effort with the space. NOT an attack, theres lots to do. BUT the biggest thing a gallery can give an artist is an immersive experience of their art, bring the buyer litterally into the artists bubble. When i walk into a gallery with a bunch of pieces hung on white walls, my brain just goes straight to meh, my flat looks more interesting. Now my flat is pretty wall clogged so theres plenty to see, but that means a gallery needs to be soo much more, just to get my attention.
The other thing i see here, is that there may well be a split between collectors and investors going on. I buy what i want, yes i hope maybe they will go up in value, but i dont care. as a collector it doesnt matter, so where i buy it and what happens afterwards isnt relevant. An investor on the other hand may well think they need your guidance and experience and want to know the artist has representation and help progressing. Problem there, is that most of us realise that far to many galleries are not representing artists, they are just turn and burn. So get artists in, dont do much, if the artist takes off fast they will keep them, if not they just bin them off and grab the next one. so with that happening, its not always worth considering if the artist is currently represented.
I just find it much nicer to buy direct from artists. Its just nicer to have some chat etc while going through the process. I know you gallery guys play a roll in getting art and artists out there, but where you may have a nice long list of clients built up over years, the internet has access to almost everyone. So its actually a way wider market and so much easier to access than going to a show somewhere.
Your other problem from it is the impulse buying that goes on in the art collecting game. I know ive done it with most things i have, see it, have to have it, buy it, worry about finding the bill money some other way! So basically because the internet is always open, my money is often spent before i even get up to go to a show. Even if i try to stash some for a show, one must have turns up and its gone! The pitfalls of instant gratification in humans.
In my mind one thing is pretty stand out about the gallery experience and it always did, very few galleries go to any effort with the space. NOT an attack, theres lots to do. BUT the biggest thing a gallery can give an artist is an immersive experience of their art, bring the buyer litterally into the artists bubble. When i walk into a gallery with a bunch of pieces hung on white walls, my brain just goes straight to meh, my flat looks more interesting. Now my flat is pretty wall clogged so theres plenty to see, but that means a gallery needs to be soo much more, just to get my attention.
The other thing i see here, is that there may well be a split between collectors and investors going on. I buy what i want, yes i hope maybe they will go up in value, but i dont care. as a collector it doesnt matter, so where i buy it and what happens afterwards isnt relevant. An investor on the other hand may well think they need your guidance and experience and want to know the artist has representation and help progressing. Problem there, is that most of us realise that far to many galleries are not representing artists, they are just turn and burn. So get artists in, dont do much, if the artist takes off fast they will keep them, if not they just bin them off and grab the next one. so with that happening, its not always worth considering if the artist is currently represented.
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Instagram VS Gallery, by AoT Framing on May 4, 2017 13:00:29 GMT 1, I've found that Instagram posts, definitely motivates people to come and check out the gallery and see the work 'in the flesh', however, the main problem is there's very little support for unknown emerging Artists. Although I should be money orientated, I'm not and my main love and passion is to try and break raw talent and gain them a wider audience and appreciation for their Art. I put on shows for Artists that I feel deserve bigger recognition but invariably the public come along to the launch, drink the drink, admire the work, tell me how wonderful and brave I am showing such cutting edge work, that Brighton needs more galleries this, wow i'm inspired etc. then they leave without buying anything to go and buy a dripping animal/eye, an alphabet letter, a geisha girl, photoshopped weapon with a classical painting in the background or some print with kids with guns/rainbows/graffiti on it. From my experience it would appear that having a celebrity buy an Artists work is the quickest way to gain recognition, however, I have one artist that has sold to Ronnie Wood, another to Damien Hirst another to Antony Micallef and it's made f**k all difference to my sales. Any suggestions how I can make the monthly shop payments without losing my integrity would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you!
I've found that Instagram posts, definitely motivates people to come and check out the gallery and see the work 'in the flesh', however, the main problem is there's very little support for unknown emerging Artists. Although I should be money orientated, I'm not and my main love and passion is to try and break raw talent and gain them a wider audience and appreciation for their Art. I put on shows for Artists that I feel deserve bigger recognition but invariably the public come along to the launch, drink the drink, admire the work, tell me how wonderful and brave I am showing such cutting edge work, that Brighton needs more galleries this, wow i'm inspired etc. then they leave without buying anything to go and buy a dripping animal/eye, an alphabet letter, a geisha girl, photoshopped weapon with a classical painting in the background or some print with kids with guns/rainbows/graffiti on it. From my experience it would appear that having a celebrity buy an Artists work is the quickest way to gain recognition, however, I have one artist that has sold to Ronnie Wood, another to Damien Hirst another to Antony Micallef and it's made f**k all difference to my sales. Any suggestions how I can make the monthly shop payments without losing my integrity would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you!
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Instagram VS Gallery, by SturbanHasSaggyTits on May 4, 2017 13:25:30 GMT 1, I've found that Instagram posts, definitely motivates people to come and check out the gallery and see the work 'in the flesh', however, the main problem is there's very little support for unknown emerging Artists. Although I should be money orientated, I'm not and my main love and passion is to try and break raw talent and gain them a wider audience and appreciation for their Art. I put on shows for Artists that I feel deserve bigger recognition but invariably the public come along to the launch, drink the drink, admire the work, tell me how wonderful and brave I am showing such cutting edge work, that Brighton needs more galleries this, wow i'm inspired etc. then they leave without buying anything to go and buy a dripping animal/eye, an alphabet letter, a geisha girl, photoshopped weapon with a classical painting in the background or some print with kids with guns/rainbows/graffiti on it. From my experience it would appear that having a celebrity buy an Artists work is the quickest way to gain recognition, however, I have one artist that has sold to Ronnie Wood, another to Damien Hirst another to Antony Micallef and it's made f**k all difference to my sales. Any suggestions how I can make the monthly shop payments without losing my integrity would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you!
To be honest, you probably need to start with getting your site more prominent on Google.
I recently visited Brighton and searched online for galleries and shows before I went and didn't see your site come up. I have just now searched 'Brighton Art Gallery' and you appear towards the bottom of page 5. Realistically with those keywords you should be appearing somewhere on page 1.
I have seen your gallery through this forum before, but I don't think I have come across it before while searching.
It's a shame, as I would have loved to have visited the gallery, I think you have some great artists in there.
I've found that Instagram posts, definitely motivates people to come and check out the gallery and see the work 'in the flesh', however, the main problem is there's very little support for unknown emerging Artists. Although I should be money orientated, I'm not and my main love and passion is to try and break raw talent and gain them a wider audience and appreciation for their Art. I put on shows for Artists that I feel deserve bigger recognition but invariably the public come along to the launch, drink the drink, admire the work, tell me how wonderful and brave I am showing such cutting edge work, that Brighton needs more galleries this, wow i'm inspired etc. then they leave without buying anything to go and buy a dripping animal/eye, an alphabet letter, a geisha girl, photoshopped weapon with a classical painting in the background or some print with kids with guns/rainbows/graffiti on it. From my experience it would appear that having a celebrity buy an Artists work is the quickest way to gain recognition, however, I have one artist that has sold to Ronnie Wood, another to Damien Hirst another to Antony Micallef and it's made f**k all difference to my sales. Any suggestions how I can make the monthly shop payments without losing my integrity would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you! To be honest, you probably need to start with getting your site more prominent on Google. I recently visited Brighton and searched online for galleries and shows before I went and didn't see your site come up. I have just now searched 'Brighton Art Gallery' and you appear towards the bottom of page 5. Realistically with those keywords you should be appearing somewhere on page 1. I have seen your gallery through this forum before, but I don't think I have come across it before while searching. It's a shame, as I would have loved to have visited the gallery, I think you have some great artists in there. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 16:32:14 GMT 1, I've found that Instagram posts, definitely motivates people to come and check out the gallery and see the work 'in the flesh', however, the main problem is there's very little support for unknown emerging Artists. Although I should be money orientated, I'm not and my main love and passion is to try and break raw talent and gain them a wider audience and appreciation for their Art. I put on shows for Artists that I feel deserve bigger recognition but invariably the public come along to the launch, drink the drink, admire the work, tell me how wonderful and brave I am showing such cutting edge work, that Brighton needs more galleries this, wow i'm inspired etc. then they leave without buying anything to go and buy a dripping animal/eye, an alphabet letter, a geisha girl, photoshopped weapon with a classical painting in the background or some print with kids with guns/rainbows/graffiti on it. From my experience it would appear that having a celebrity buy an Artists work is the quickest way to gain recognition, however, I have one artist that has sold to Ronnie Wood, another to Damien Hirst another to Antony Micallef and it's made f**k all difference to my sales. Any suggestions how I can make the monthly shop payments without losing my integrity would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you!
What's your instagram?
I guess one way is to make an instagram page and udate it with the photos of the celebrity buyers regularly and interact with other instagram pages. Plus twitter is not so much good for sales but updates with photos the gallery and celebs etc can gain the right followers.
Bristol was turned uber trendi nouveau riche urban kingdom cos of Banksy and the add ons and write ups on art blogs etc etc. Write ups about artists in the press etc
Maybe it's time for Brighton to be revitalised in similar ways.
Last time I visited Brighton, it looked a bit grim with pebbles on the beach and middle aged guys with dyed blonde hair.
saatchionline.com can be good for sales and exposure and I think it allows galleries to create a profile too.
I think a good way might be to get some of the art you sell into some of the urban art and other auctions in London etc which could create some interest.
I don't see anything wrong with selling simpler art for affrdable prices and Dr Plip would be a memorable exhibition in my view. Specially his charity shop series and other wonderful limitings of stuff.
Other ways is to offer a discount or to offer part payment for art.
I'm in froggy France where they hate the Brits where I live or maybe they just hate me but anyway down here some galleries and shops etc offer people to pay in installments by paying with post dated cheques or other monthly payment plan.
Unfortunately people today tend to mainly buy for either a resale short term profit or buy whats fashionable.
I've found that Instagram posts, definitely motivates people to come and check out the gallery and see the work 'in the flesh', however, the main problem is there's very little support for unknown emerging Artists. Although I should be money orientated, I'm not and my main love and passion is to try and break raw talent and gain them a wider audience and appreciation for their Art. I put on shows for Artists that I feel deserve bigger recognition but invariably the public come along to the launch, drink the drink, admire the work, tell me how wonderful and brave I am showing such cutting edge work, that Brighton needs more galleries this, wow i'm inspired etc. then they leave without buying anything to go and buy a dripping animal/eye, an alphabet letter, a geisha girl, photoshopped weapon with a classical painting in the background or some print with kids with guns/rainbows/graffiti on it. From my experience it would appear that having a celebrity buy an Artists work is the quickest way to gain recognition, however, I have one artist that has sold to Ronnie Wood, another to Damien Hirst another to Antony Micallef and it's made f**k all difference to my sales. Any suggestions how I can make the monthly shop payments without losing my integrity would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you! What's your instagram? I guess one way is to make an instagram page and udate it with the photos of the celebrity buyers regularly and interact with other instagram pages. Plus twitter is not so much good for sales but updates with photos the gallery and celebs etc can gain the right followers. Bristol was turned uber trendi nouveau riche urban kingdom cos of Banksy and the add ons and write ups on art blogs etc etc. Write ups about artists in the press etc Maybe it's time for Brighton to be revitalised in similar ways. Last time I visited Brighton, it looked a bit grim with pebbles on the beach and middle aged guys with dyed blonde hair. saatchionline.com can be good for sales and exposure and I think it allows galleries to create a profile too. I think a good way might be to get some of the art you sell into some of the urban art and other auctions in London etc which could create some interest. I don't see anything wrong with selling simpler art for affrdable prices and Dr Plip would be a memorable exhibition in my view. Specially his charity shop series and other wonderful limitings of stuff. Other ways is to offer a discount or to offer part payment for art. I'm in froggy France where they hate the Brits where I live or maybe they just hate me but anyway down here some galleries and shops etc offer people to pay in installments by paying with post dated cheques or other monthly payment plan. Unfortunately people today tend to mainly buy for either a resale short term profit or buy whats fashionable. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by AoT Framing on May 4, 2017 17:08:15 GMT 1, Thank you Sturban and Ploppi for your helpful comments. Will work on getting higher google listings. The gallery's instagram account is: artoftreason
The pebbles are still here in Brighton (unless somebody's recently nicked them), I confess to being middle aged also, but don't have dyed blonde hair. (not anymore since becoming a baldy.)
Thank you Sturban and Ploppi for your helpful comments. Will work on getting higher google listings. The gallery's instagram account is: artoftreason
The pebbles are still here in Brighton (unless somebody's recently nicked them), I confess to being middle aged also, but don't have dyed blonde hair. (not anymore since becoming a baldy.)
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 18:34:01 GMT 1, Since Im back on the forum I thought why not bring up a topic that has been at the forefront of many conversations for not only Gallerists, but artists and Collectors as well. My last post on the other thread kind of summarized the way I feel about it at times but I don't feel its such an easy answer. I know many of you collectors in here have done both, but things are changing and instagram is a viable option to buy and collect work. Galleries will need to compete and confront new technology and so forth. I don't think my issue is with people buying direct, I just dont think people understand how its shaping the industry. And when I am talking its more the middle level to lower level galleries and artists affected. Top tier artists dont sell anywhere except a gallery, and top tier galleries its tough to buy work sometimes if your not one of their collectors. So lets keep the conversation to our tier of galleries. Ive seen many galleries shut their doors or relocate due to changes in the market and just rental prices. When these galleries disappear some for just screwing artists, and having bad customer service we all say hey id rather buy direct than support a bad gallery. But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening. Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work. Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system? Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect? Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world. If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom. Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation. I know its a large amount of text and questions, but this is a collectors forum and I am curious to hear your insight. As an artist myself and a Gallerist/curator i see both sides yet believe that there isnt any right answer only conversation.
Communicating with people interacting and building up an email and client list. It's the galleries with strong client lists that tend to survive.
I also think instagram is about lifestyle and promoting a certain lifestyle that attracts followers and buyers. So no harm in posting celebrity pics, expensive restaurants, flash cars, fashion clothes or stuff , musicians and local landmarks from time to time too.
Or whatever people are attracted to these days.
It's a bit fake and pretentious I know but it does help sell art.
I don't think it makes any difference if an artists that a gallery sells also sells direct for less money as the exhibitions and gallery shows combined with instagram posts by the gallery of the artists and other artists enables people to contact the gallery direct and also I would imagine quite a few potential buyers with money to invest in art would always be happey to talk with a gallery regarding on what is a good buy potentially for the future.
Since Im back on the forum I thought why not bring up a topic that has been at the forefront of many conversations for not only Gallerists, but artists and Collectors as well. My last post on the other thread kind of summarized the way I feel about it at times but I don't feel its such an easy answer. I know many of you collectors in here have done both, but things are changing and instagram is a viable option to buy and collect work. Galleries will need to compete and confront new technology and so forth. I don't think my issue is with people buying direct, I just dont think people understand how its shaping the industry. And when I am talking its more the middle level to lower level galleries and artists affected. Top tier artists dont sell anywhere except a gallery, and top tier galleries its tough to buy work sometimes if your not one of their collectors. So lets keep the conversation to our tier of galleries. Ive seen many galleries shut their doors or relocate due to changes in the market and just rental prices. When these galleries disappear some for just screwing artists, and having bad customer service we all say hey id rather buy direct than support a bad gallery. But what about the gallery that loses money to bring you great shows, great body's of work that took months to accomplish. Can instagram replace a 6 month cohesive body of work if these exhibitions stop happening. Can an artist have the same success on instagram selling their work without exhibiting a complete body of work. Are you a worthy curator that can replace the gallery system? Who will buy into your collecting and bring notoriety to the artists you collect? Are Gallery spaces and their practices out of touch with todays world. If all this is true why does it work on the top tier on not the bottom. Will an artist you buy on instagram ever make the top tier galleries without middle tier representation. I know its a large amount of text and questions, but this is a collectors forum and I am curious to hear your insight. As an artist myself and a Gallerist/curator i see both sides yet believe that there isnt any right answer only conversation. I think bricks and mortar galleries should be pushing their gallery and the art they sell on instagram as a priority. Communicating with people interacting and building up an email and client list. It's the galleries with strong client lists that tend to survive. I also think instagram is about lifestyle and promoting a certain lifestyle that attracts followers and buyers. So no harm in posting celebrity pics, expensive restaurants, flash cars, fashion clothes or stuff , musicians and local landmarks from time to time too. Or whatever people are attracted to these days. It's a bit fake and pretentious I know but it does help sell art. I don't think it makes any difference if an artists that a gallery sells also sells direct for less money as the exhibitions and gallery shows combined with instagram posts by the gallery of the artists and other artists enables people to contact the gallery direct and also I would imagine quite a few potential buyers with money to invest in art would always be happey to talk with a gallery regarding on what is a good buy potentially for the future. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 18:43:04 GMT 1, Thank you Sturban and Ploppi for your helpful comments. Will work on getting higher google listings. The gallery's instagram account is: artoftreason The pebbles are still here in Brighton (unless somebody's recently nicked them), I confess to being middle aged also, but don't have dyed blonde hair. (not anymore since becoming a baldy.)
Plus the organisers did not even own a gallery space and decided to hire one for the show.
I think if you have a gallery, considering there must be a few talented up and coming artists around Brighton, it could be an idea to organise regular gallery shows of tomorrows potential stars and promote it , enabling buyers to buy early works from artists.
Another way is to use the space to mount a vetted group exhibition where each artists pays a fee to exhibit and for the fee gets the beefit of the gallery venue plus some form of promotion. Ten artists paying a hundred quid each to exhibit two or three works is not a lot of money these days.
Thank you Sturban and Ploppi for your helpful comments. Will work on getting higher google listings. The gallery's instagram account is: artoftreason The pebbles are still here in Brighton (unless somebody's recently nicked them), I confess to being middle aged also, but don't have dyed blonde hair. (not anymore since becoming a baldy.) I was approached down here to take part in a group exhibition. I did not take up the offer as something that should be simple turned out to be mega complicated with the French admin and way of doing things. Plus the organisers did not even own a gallery space and decided to hire one for the show. I think if you have a gallery, considering there must be a few talented up and coming artists around Brighton, it could be an idea to organise regular gallery shows of tomorrows potential stars and promote it , enabling buyers to buy early works from artists. Another way is to use the space to mount a vetted group exhibition where each artists pays a fee to exhibit and for the fee gets the beefit of the gallery venue plus some form of promotion. Ten artists paying a hundred quid each to exhibit two or three works is not a lot of money these days. |
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Instagram VS Gallery, by randomname on May 4, 2017 21:56:20 GMT 1, I think that galleries provide a valuable service for artists who are poorly organized, don't know how to run a business and/or have poor communication and social skills. Otherwise, I prefer to deal with an artist directly.
I think that galleries provide a valuable service for artists who are poorly organized, don't know how to run a business and/or have poor communication and social skills. Otherwise, I prefer to deal with an artist directly.
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 21:58:27 GMT 1, Artists = manufacturers
galleries = salesforce an showroom
Instagram = marketing
Artists = manufacturers
galleries = salesforce an showroom
Instagram = marketing
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on May 6, 2017 14:40:31 GMT 1, All great points made here, and again I just wanted to expand this conversation and allow people to be conscious of the action s their taking, and who they're supporting. As I've said I'm both a gallerist and an artist but I've bought into the gallery system as when approached to sell work on Instagram many buyers waste my time, think they are entitled to. 50% discount or really can't afford a real piece of art. I'm ok with losing some money but gaining something larger for my future.
All great points made here, and again I just wanted to expand this conversation and allow people to be conscious of the action s their taking, and who they're supporting. As I've said I'm both a gallerist and an artist but I've bought into the gallery system as when approached to sell work on Instagram many buyers waste my time, think they are entitled to. 50% discount or really can't afford a real piece of art. I'm ok with losing some money but gaining something larger for my future.
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Instagram VS Gallery, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on May 6, 2017 17:17:41 GMT 1, So many online social platforms available and it's great they can sell work without having to give a gallery a cut. No doubt in the future Zuckerberg will buy a company and we'll be buying art direct from Facebook..
Then there's satchi, art finder, blue thumb (here in oz) etc.. sell work and the website takes a small fee.. great and easy way to get your art noticed and make money.
Paying for a PR manager to create hype gets you to the large galleries and will speed up success. I still like to read about young artists who have done the degrees, really have a skill and won awards then have the opportunity of scholarships/mentoring overseas etc.. they have more opportunity in financially making it big with a top gallery representation and if I was a serious collector just for investing I would be researching and buying up their work..
So many online social platforms available and it's great they can sell work without having to give a gallery a cut. No doubt in the future Zuckerberg will buy a company and we'll be buying art direct from Facebook..
Then there's satchi, art finder, blue thumb (here in oz) etc.. sell work and the website takes a small fee.. great and easy way to get your art noticed and make money.
Paying for a PR manager to create hype gets you to the large galleries and will speed up success. I still like to read about young artists who have done the degrees, really have a skill and won awards then have the opportunity of scholarships/mentoring overseas etc.. they have more opportunity in financially making it big with a top gallery representation and if I was a serious collector just for investing I would be researching and buying up their work..
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Instagram VS Gallery, by NYart on May 7, 2017 0:57:29 GMT 1, The biggest factor is what percentage of the worldwide population lives in a major city with frequent shows of artists that interest them? I'd have to travel 8 hour to New York City to have a chance at seeing a nice showcase. So I'm hundreds of dollars in the hole before I've even considered buying a piece. At home on instagram I can get a really good idea of whether or not I enjoy an artists work and in reality any piece I've bought without first seeing in person has exceeded my expectations. So although it would be enjoyable to attend gallery events it doesn't make the most sense for me to, and I imagine there are many others in similar situations as myself.
The biggest factor is what percentage of the worldwide population lives in a major city with frequent shows of artists that interest them? I'd have to travel 8 hour to New York City to have a chance at seeing a nice showcase. So I'm hundreds of dollars in the hole before I've even considered buying a piece. At home on instagram I can get a really good idea of whether or not I enjoy an artists work and in reality any piece I've bought without first seeing in person has exceeded my expectations. So although it would be enjoyable to attend gallery events it doesn't make the most sense for me to, and I imagine there are many others in similar situations as myself.
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