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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 20:57:27 GMT 1, I must say that I am very tired of hearing people moan about flippers, I would like to think that people make a living in all sorts of way's.
Is it probable that in some way the are helping to keep our investments safe and in some cases have helped people to make a very good return on their investment.......
am I wrong?
do they help to highlight and increase the price of an artist's work?
or
Are they just greedy buggers?
I must say that I am very tired of hearing people moan about flippers, I would like to think that people make a living in all sorts of way's.
Is it probable that in some way the are helping to keep our investments safe and in some cases have helped people to make a very good return on their investment.......
am I wrong?
do they help to highlight and increase the price of an artist's work?
or
Are they just greedy buggers?
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by ferg on Aug 25, 2017 21:14:40 GMT 1, Greedy buggers
Greedy buggers
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by mose on Aug 25, 2017 21:19:25 GMT 1, Personally, I like flippers.
Why? Because if all of the, say, concert tickets, went to 'true fans', and I didn't get lucky at the initial release, then I would never be able to see that show. With resellers in the market, I can almost always access any show as long as I find the premium acceptable. Same applies to prints or any other item.
Flippers provide access that you don't have at the drop. For that service, there is a cost.
Personally, I like flippers.
Why? Because if all of the, say, concert tickets, went to 'true fans', and I didn't get lucky at the initial release, then I would never be able to see that show. With resellers in the market, I can almost always access any show as long as I find the premium acceptable. Same applies to prints or any other item.
Flippers provide access that you don't have at the drop. For that service, there is a cost.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by oxfordwelshchap on Aug 25, 2017 21:28:38 GMT 1, Parasites feeding from others. Don't be ridiculous there is no 'service' just parasitic intent with no interest but their own. A bit like bankers really.
Parasites feeding from others. Don't be ridiculous there is no 'service' just parasitic intent with no interest but their own. A bit like bankers really.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by mose on Aug 25, 2017 21:34:18 GMT 1, Parasites feeding from others. Don't be ridiculous there is no 'service' just parasitic intent with no interest but their own. A bit like bankers really.
Of course there is a service. I can buy things from them that I couldn't from the original source. They provide the service of access.
I recently went to go see pro wrestling. When the tickets originally went on sale, the best I could access from Ticketmaster was high on the 1st riser. I passed. Instead, I turned to a ticket re-seller and was able to get tremendous floor seats. I paid double the face value and found that to be fine.
I saw a tremendous show from great seats, Ticketmaster made their initial money, WWE made their initial money, and a re-seller made a tidy profit. Win, win, win, win.
Parasites feeding from others. Don't be ridiculous there is no 'service' just parasitic intent with no interest but their own. A bit like bankers really. Of course there is a service. I can buy things from them that I couldn't from the original source. They provide the service of access. I recently went to go see pro wrestling. When the tickets originally went on sale, the best I could access from Ticketmaster was high on the 1st riser. I passed. Instead, I turned to a ticket re-seller and was able to get tremendous floor seats. I paid double the face value and found that to be fine. I saw a tremendous show from great seats, Ticketmaster made their initial money, WWE made their initial money, and a re-seller made a tidy profit. Win, win, win, win. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 21:40:13 GMT 1, There's a difference between people that sell their art after like 6 months because they stopped liking it or they found something they liked better, or their concert tickets while they well intended to go but something came up, and the parasitic greedy f#ckburgers that just buy to make money off of true fans.
The former group drives the secondary market which is a good thing as people can get in that weren't able to in the beginning, the latter group is just a bunch of parasites that need to be stopped in every way possible.
There's a difference between people that sell their art after like 6 months because they stopped liking it or they found something they liked better, or their concert tickets while they well intended to go but something came up, and the parasitic greedy f#ckburgers that just buy to make money off of true fans.
The former group drives the secondary market which is a good thing as people can get in that weren't able to in the beginning, the latter group is just a bunch of parasites that need to be stopped in every way possible.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by oxfordwelshchap on Aug 25, 2017 21:40:48 GMT 1, Yes seems like a great win for you! Maybe, without these 're-sellers', you could have got the seats you wanted at the correct and original price. I can't see a motive behind backing them except that you want to flip in the future? Or a nasty case of Stockholm syndrome? Anyways maybe we can agree to disagree
Yes seems like a great win for you! Maybe, without these 're-sellers', you could have got the seats you wanted at the correct and original price. I can't see a motive behind backing them except that you want to flip in the future? Or a nasty case of Stockholm syndrome? Anyways maybe we can agree to disagree
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by mose on Aug 25, 2017 21:50:34 GMT 1, Yes seems like a great win for you! Maybe, without these 're-sellers', you could have got the seats you wanted at the correct and original price. I can't see a motive behind backing them except that you want to flip in the future? Or a nasty case of Stockholm syndrome? Anyways maybe we can agree to disagree
With thousands, tens of thousands, or even in the case of wrestling, millions of other fans, the odds are against you getting anything that is limited. Re-sellers simply aren't that big a percentage of most markets. They can't be.
We can agree to disagree, until you start making assumptions about me as a person and impugning any motives I may have. See, that is ad hominem, not debate of ideas.
Yes seems like a great win for you! Maybe, without these 're-sellers', you could have got the seats you wanted at the correct and original price. I can't see a motive behind backing them except that you want to flip in the future? Or a nasty case of Stockholm syndrome? Anyways maybe we can agree to disagree With thousands, tens of thousands, or even in the case of wrestling, millions of other fans, the odds are against you getting anything that is limited. Re-sellers simply aren't that big a percentage of most markets. They can't be. We can agree to disagree, until you start making assumptions about me as a person and impugning any motives I may have. See, that is ad hominem, not debate of ideas. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by oxfordwelshchap on Aug 25, 2017 22:10:46 GMT 1, Yes seems like a great win for you! Maybe, without these 're-sellers', you could have got the seats you wanted at the correct and original price. I can't see a motive behind backing them except that you want to flip in the future? Or a nasty case of Stockholm syndrome? Anyways maybe we can agree to disagree With thousands, tens of thousands, or even in the case of wrestling, millions of other fans, the odds are against you getting anything that is limited. Re-sellers simply aren't that big a percentage of most markets. They can't be. We can agree to disagree, until you start making assumptions about me as a person and impugning any motives I may have. See, that is ad hominem, not debate of ideas.
Yes seems like a great win for you! Maybe, without these 're-sellers', you could have got the seats you wanted at the correct and original price. I can't see a motive behind backing them except that you want to flip in the future? Or a nasty case of Stockholm syndrome? Anyways maybe we can agree to disagree With thousands, tens of thousands, or even in the case of wrestling, millions of other fans, the odds are against you getting anything that is limited. Re-sellers simply aren't that big a percentage of most markets. They can't be. We can agree to disagree, until you start making assumptions about me as a person and impugning any motives I may have. See, that is ad hominem, not debate of ideas. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Aug 25, 2017 22:57:43 GMT 1, It's not just art, people flip in every market. I know people in Sydney buying and flipping houses, made millions over a few years. The excuses on here for selling are funny, no need to bullshit.
It's not just art, people flip in every market. I know people in Sydney buying and flipping houses, made millions over a few years. The excuses on here for selling are funny, no need to bullshit.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by NYart on Aug 25, 2017 23:29:00 GMT 1, Canโt blame the flippers, the artists know what their work is going for on the secondary market. Sell outs at less than market prices look better than their pieces sitting there for a couple weeks. If you strike out but you like it enough to pay market value you probably wouldโve paid the higher price at release anyway. At least we all have a chance to get art at a reduced price at the drop often times?
Flippers are opportunists, like what was mentioned above, if you see a house priced undervalue and see the potential in it, what makes it wrong making a profit off it. Some nice not as well off family couldโve bought it and enjoyed it instead, but that doesnโt make the house flipper a bad person. Any commodity that is priced below market value will attract opportunists period.
Canโt blame the flippers, the artists know what their work is going for on the secondary market. Sell outs at less than market prices look better than their pieces sitting there for a couple weeks. If you strike out but you like it enough to pay market value you probably wouldโve paid the higher price at release anyway. At least we all have a chance to get art at a reduced price at the drop often times?
Flippers are opportunists, like what was mentioned above, if you see a house priced undervalue and see the potential in it, what makes it wrong making a profit off it. Some nice not as well off family couldโve bought it and enjoyed it instead, but that doesnโt make the house flipper a bad person. Any commodity that is priced below market value will attract opportunists period.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Jaylove on Aug 26, 2017 0:56:26 GMT 1, I don't like flippers but I understand the game. I have no issue with paying extra for something that isn't easily obtainable. BUT using bots and trying to. It out everything just to turn around and sell to fans for 4,5,6 times the price is ridiculous and I'll never support that.
It's not just the flippers fault though. There's a lot of hands in the pot
I don't like flippers but I understand the game. I have no issue with paying extra for something that isn't easily obtainable. BUT using bots and trying to. It out everything just to turn around and sell to fans for 4,5,6 times the price is ridiculous and I'll never support that.
It's not just the flippers fault though. There's a lot of hands in the pot
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Jaylove on Aug 26, 2017 0:59:07 GMT 1, Canโt blame the flippers, the artists know what their work is going for on the secondary market. Sell outs at less than market prices look better than their pieces sitting there for a couple weeks. If you strike out but you like it enough to pay market value you probably wouldโve paid the higher price at release anyway. At least we all have a chance to get art at a reduced price at the drop often times? Flippers are opportunists, like what was mentioned above, if you see a house priced undervalue and see the potential in it, what makes it wrong making a profit off it. Some nice not as well off family couldโve bought it and enjoyed it instead, but that doesnโt make the house flipper a bad person. Any commodity that is priced below market value will attract opportunists period.
Nothing wrong with making a profit. But it's like buying a whole block of houses then selling it to the public that day for 5x the price. I mean this doesn't even happen in real estate. People have to sit on their houses for a few years to double their money. Some at least a decade. But imagine buying a house and then that day re-selling it for 5 times the price? Crazy. But you can either be apart of the madness or not. I choose to live in my car :-)
Canโt blame the flippers, the artists know what their work is going for on the secondary market. Sell outs at less than market prices look better than their pieces sitting there for a couple weeks. If you strike out but you like it enough to pay market value you probably wouldโve paid the higher price at release anyway. At least we all have a chance to get art at a reduced price at the drop often times? Flippers are opportunists, like what was mentioned above, if you see a house priced undervalue and see the potential in it, what makes it wrong making a profit off it. Some nice not as well off family couldโve bought it and enjoyed it instead, but that doesnโt make the house flipper a bad person. Any commodity that is priced below market value will attract opportunists period. Nothing wrong with making a profit. But it's like buying a whole block of houses then selling it to the public that day for 5x the price. I mean this doesn't even happen in real estate. People have to sit on their houses for a few years to double their money. Some at least a decade. But imagine buying a house and then that day re-selling it for 5 times the price? Crazy. But you can either be apart of the madness or not. I choose to live in my car :-) |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by NYart on Aug 26, 2017 1:33:01 GMT 1, Canโt blame the flippers, the artists know what their work is going for on the secondary market. Sell outs at less than market prices look better than their pieces sitting there for a couple weeks. If you strike out but you like it enough to pay market value you probably wouldโve paid the higher price at release anyway. At least we all have a chance to get art at a reduced price at the drop often times? Flippers are opportunists, like what was mentioned above, if you see a house priced undervalue and see the potential in it, what makes it wrong making a profit off it. Some nice not as well off family couldโve bought it and enjoyed it instead, but that doesnโt make the house flipper a bad person. Any commodity that is priced below market value will attract opportunists period. Nothing wrong with making a profit. But it's like buying a whole block of houses then selling it to the public that day for 5x the price. I mean this doesn't even happen in real estate. People have to sit on their houses for a few years to double their money. Some at least a decade. But imagine buying a house and then that day re-selling it for 5 times the price? Crazy. But you can either be apart of the madness or not. I choose to live in my car :-)
I agree, the profit percentage is very high for a short term investment but itโs an easy fix if the artists were interested in correcting it they could fix it tomorrow. I donโt know, ultimately we all understand the game. Buy what you like at source, or pay a premium. I understand itโs frustrating missing what you want for cost but itโs fruitless blaming flippers. 90% of the time theyโre guilty of it themselves or at the very least have been around long enough to accept and understand supply and demand.
I tried for invader LED yesterday, I liked it but it wouldโve gone on my card until I sold it. I liked it a lot but couldnโt afford to hang it. Making 3k+ for an afternoon of F5โing wasnโt something I could pass up.
Canโt blame the flippers, the artists know what their work is going for on the secondary market. Sell outs at less than market prices look better than their pieces sitting there for a couple weeks. If you strike out but you like it enough to pay market value you probably wouldโve paid the higher price at release anyway. At least we all have a chance to get art at a reduced price at the drop often times? Flippers are opportunists, like what was mentioned above, if you see a house priced undervalue and see the potential in it, what makes it wrong making a profit off it. Some nice not as well off family couldโve bought it and enjoyed it instead, but that doesnโt make the house flipper a bad person. Any commodity that is priced below market value will attract opportunists period. Nothing wrong with making a profit. But it's like buying a whole block of houses then selling it to the public that day for 5x the price. I mean this doesn't even happen in real estate. People have to sit on their houses for a few years to double their money. Some at least a decade. But imagine buying a house and then that day re-selling it for 5 times the price? Crazy. But you can either be apart of the madness or not. I choose to live in my car :-) I agree, the profit percentage is very high for a short term investment but itโs an easy fix if the artists were interested in correcting it they could fix it tomorrow. I donโt know, ultimately we all understand the game. Buy what you like at source, or pay a premium. I understand itโs frustrating missing what you want for cost but itโs fruitless blaming flippers. 90% of the time theyโre guilty of it themselves or at the very least have been around long enough to accept and understand supply and demand. I tried for invader LED yesterday, I liked it but it wouldโve gone on my card until I sold it. I liked it a lot but couldnโt afford to hang it. Making 3k+ for an afternoon of F5โing wasnโt something I could pass up. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Jaylove on Aug 26, 2017 2:24:24 GMT 1, Nothing wrong with making a profit. But it's like buying a whole block of houses then selling it to the public that day for 5x the price. I mean this doesn't even happen in real estate. People have to sit on their houses for a few years to double their money. Some at least a decade. But imagine buying a house and then that day re-selling it for 5 times the price? Crazy. But you can either be apart of the madness or not. I choose to live in my car :-) I agree, the profit percentage is very high for a short term investment but itโs an easy fix if the artists were interested in correcting it they could fix it tomorrow. I donโt know, ultimately we all understand the game. Buy what you like at source, or pay a premium. I understand itโs frustrating missing what you want for cost but itโs fruitless blaming flippers. 90% of the time theyโre guilty of it themselves or at the very least have been around long enough to accept and understand supply and demand. I tried for invader LED yesterday, I liked it but it wouldโve gone on my card until I sold it. I liked it a lot but couldnโt afford to hang it. Making 3k+ for an afternoon of F5โing wasnโt something I could pass up.
Yes, the artists can easily fix this, but they're trying to get paid too. 
I guess artists an galleries need to work together but I don't think they're too bothered by it. Instant sellouts benefit the artist and the gallery.
Nothing wrong with making a profit. But it's like buying a whole block of houses then selling it to the public that day for 5x the price. I mean this doesn't even happen in real estate. People have to sit on their houses for a few years to double their money. Some at least a decade. But imagine buying a house and then that day re-selling it for 5 times the price? Crazy. But you can either be apart of the madness or not. I choose to live in my car :-) I agree, the profit percentage is very high for a short term investment but itโs an easy fix if the artists were interested in correcting it they could fix it tomorrow. I donโt know, ultimately we all understand the game. Buy what you like at source, or pay a premium. I understand itโs frustrating missing what you want for cost but itโs fruitless blaming flippers. 90% of the time theyโre guilty of it themselves or at the very least have been around long enough to accept and understand supply and demand. I tried for invader LED yesterday, I liked it but it wouldโve gone on my card until I sold it. I liked it a lot but couldnโt afford to hang it. Making 3k+ for an afternoon of F5โing wasnโt something I could pass up. Yes, the artists can easily fix this, but they're trying to get paid too. I guess artists an galleries need to work together but I don't think they're too bothered by it. Instant sellouts benefit the artist and the gallery. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by nobokov on Aug 26, 2017 8:00:35 GMT 1, I don't see how flipping would be considered essential to the art market. If the artist already has high demand, the artworks would sell out regardless of the additional 10-15% reseller purchases, right? Flipping seems to be rampant for lower prices items, but what about at the higher price ranges >$10,000? Are expensive original works frequently flipped or is it a phenomenon that's more prevalent with prints?
I don't see how flipping would be considered essential to the art market. If the artist already has high demand, the artworks would sell out regardless of the additional 10-15% reseller purchases, right? Flipping seems to be rampant for lower prices items, but what about at the higher price ranges >$10,000? Are expensive original works frequently flipped or is it a phenomenon that's more prevalent with prints?
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 10:01:38 GMT 1, I don't see how flipping would be considered essential to the art market. If the artist already has high demand, the artworks would sell out regardless of the additional 10-15% reseller purchases, right? Flipping seems to be rampant for lower prices items, but what about at the higher price ranges >$10,000? Are expensive original works frequently flipped or is it a phenomenon that's more prevalent with prints?
I'll just leave this here. The established auction houses certainly love flippers. From 2 years ago, but its valid:
www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-art-flippers-target-masterpieces-20150602-story.html
I don't see how flipping would be considered essential to the art market. If the artist already has high demand, the artworks would sell out regardless of the additional 10-15% reseller purchases, right? Flipping seems to be rampant for lower prices items, but what about at the higher price ranges >$10,000? Are expensive original works frequently flipped or is it a phenomenon that's more prevalent with prints? I'll just leave this here. The established auction houses certainly love flippers. From 2 years ago, but its valid: www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-art-flippers-target-masterpieces-20150602-story.html |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Daniel Silk on Aug 26, 2017 11:09:25 GMT 1, The art is priced to favour flippers.
If the Galleries wanted to stop flipping then they could easily charge much more, but of course then the release would sell slower and that doesn't look good. The gallery and artist want a fast sell as that feeds the hype! And increases the values.
If it wasn't about increasing values then it would be unlimited editions at near cost prices.
The art is priced to favour flippers.
If the Galleries wanted to stop flipping then they could easily charge much more, but of course then the release would sell slower and that doesn't look good. The gallery and artist want a fast sell as that feeds the hype! And increases the values.
If it wasn't about increasing values then it would be unlimited editions at near cost prices.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by nobokov on Aug 26, 2017 13:02:02 GMT 1, The art is priced to favour flippers. If the Galleries wanted to stop flipping then they could easily charge much more, but of course then the release would sell slower and that doesn't look good. The gallery and artist want a fast sell as that feeds the hype! And increases the values. If it wasn't about increasing values then it would be unlimited editions at near cost prices.
The art is priced to favour flippers. If the Galleries wanted to stop flipping then they could easily charge much more, but of course then the release would sell slower and that doesn't look good. The gallery and artist want a fast sell as that feeds the hype! And increases the values. If it wasn't about increasing values then it would be unlimited editions at near cost prices. But why would anyone collect artwork that's unlimited? If it were unlimited the price would have to be set near cost of labor and materials with minimal profit margin for the artist and printer. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Daniel Silk on Aug 26, 2017 13:06:17 GMT 1, The art is priced to favour flippers. If the Galleries wanted to stop flipping then they could easily charge much more, but of course then the release would sell slower and that doesn't look good. The gallery and artist want a fast sell as that feeds the hype! And increases the values. If it wasn't about increasing values then it would be unlimited editions at near cost prices. But why would anyone collect artwork that's unlimited? If it were unlimited the price would have to be set near cost of labor and materials with minimal profit margin.
Unlimited art is produced by artists who don't care about money and is bought by people who love the image.
Limited Edition art is made to make money and encourage collectors/investors, leaving those who love the image being forced to pay over the top prices.
The art is priced to favour flippers. If the Galleries wanted to stop flipping then they could easily charge much more, but of course then the release would sell slower and that doesn't look good. The gallery and artist want a fast sell as that feeds the hype! And increases the values. If it wasn't about increasing values then it would be unlimited editions at near cost prices. But why would anyone collect artwork that's unlimited? If it were unlimited the price would have to be set near cost of labor and materials with minimal profit margin. Exactly! Unlimited art is produced by artists who don't care about money and is bought by people who love the image. Limited Edition art is made to make money and encourage collectors/investors, leaving those who love the image being forced to pay over the top prices. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by nobokov on Aug 26, 2017 13:12:45 GMT 1, But why would anyone collect artwork that's unlimited? If it were unlimited the price would have to be set near cost of labor and materials with minimal profit margin. Exactly! Unlimited art is produced by artists who don't care about money and is bought by people who love the image. Limited Edition art is made to make money and encourage collectors/investors, leaving those who love the image being forced to pay over the top prices.
But why would anyone collect artwork that's unlimited? If it were unlimited the price would have to be set near cost of labor and materials with minimal profit margin. Exactly! Unlimited art is produced by artists who don't care about money and is bought by people who love the image. Limited Edition art is made to make money and encourage collectors/investors, leaving those who love the image being forced to pay over the top prices. Well, I wouldn't exclude collectors from loving the image as well. I would have to love an image to fork over any significant amount of money toward a piece of paper. But anyway, I guess I don't understand the debate. Are those who are against flipping pushing for unlimited posters? |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by aymar75 on Aug 26, 2017 13:27:17 GMT 1, Essential I do not know. They give access to things to people who do not have time and have money. Time is money! The best way would be open or timely editions but collectors will not like it so I guess it will continue that way. Started with sneakers and has now spread. You want something right now it is the price to pay.
Essential I do not know. They give access to things to people who do not have time and have money. Time is money! The best way would be open or timely editions but collectors will not like it so I guess it will continue that way. Started with sneakers and has now spread. You want something right now it is the price to pay.
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by andyroo0312 on Aug 27, 2017 15:48:06 GMT 1, Flippers are to the art market as brokers are to the stock market or 2nd hand car dealers to the automotive industry 
Flippers are to the art market as brokers are to the stock market or 2nd hand car dealers to the automotive industry |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by nobokov on Aug 27, 2017 16:25:41 GMT 1, Flippers are to the art market as brokers are to the stock market or 2nd hand car dealers to the automotive industry
Flippers are to the art market as brokers are to the stock market or 2nd hand car dealers to the automotive industry Does that work if automobiles are a depreciating asset? |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by wrigs on Aug 27, 2017 17:02:47 GMT 1, Flippers are to the art market as brokers are to the stock market or 2nd hand car dealers to the automotive industry Does that work if automobiles are a depreciating asset?
Depends on the make and model, some of the top end stuff won't depreciate. Plus no CGT on disposal in the UK
Flippers are to the art market as brokers are to the stock market or 2nd hand car dealers to the automotive industry Does that work if automobiles are a depreciating asset? Depends on the make and model, some of the top end stuff won't depreciate. Plus no CGT on disposal in the UK |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by ToonKiller on Aug 27, 2017 18:39:54 GMT 1, The real question is... are the little bitches who cry over flippers essential to the art market?
The real question is... are the little bitches who cry over flippers essential to the art market?
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highflyer
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by highflyer on Aug 27, 2017 19:06:15 GMT 1, The real question is... are the little bitches who cry over flippers essential to the art market?
Certainly more essential. Without them there would be no flippers.
You #ยง%&.
The real question is... are the little bitches who cry over flippers essential to the art market? Certainly more essential. Without them there would be no flippers. You #ยง%&. |
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by oxfordwelshchap on Aug 27, 2017 19:11:04 GMT 1, The real question is... are the little bitches who cry over flippers essential to the art market?
Where is Mr Silk - he said a boboo - does this not deserve a suspension?
The real question is... are the little bitches who cry over flippers essential to the art market? Lol a flipper I presume? Where is Mr Silk - he said a boboo - does this not deserve a suspension? |
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Leo Boyd
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Leo Boyd on Aug 27, 2017 20:08:00 GMT 1, problem with flipping is it kind of takes away any quality control. Work can be made entirely to make money so its only value is money... this points to a depreciation of culture and gives the whole of the art market a bad name.
problem with flipping is it kind of takes away any quality control. Work can be made entirely to make money so its only value is money... this points to a depreciation of culture and gives the whole of the art market a bad name.
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Leo Boyd
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Flippers: Essential to the Art Market Yes or No, by Leo Boyd on Aug 27, 2017 20:37:33 GMT 1, and
the problem with an unlimited edition is that i would either have to create an unlimited edition in one go (problematic in a world with finite resources) or would have to keep my image on screen (thus having to have a massive storage space for screens) OR would have to make up a screen a print an image every time some one buys one.
this is ok for things like etching but for screen printing its a bit of an arse.
I also I like to make variable editions with lots of painting involved. Making an unlimited variable is a head melter.
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the problem with an unlimited edition is that i would either have to create an unlimited edition in one go (problematic in a world with finite resources) or would have to keep my image on screen (thus having to have a massive storage space for screens) OR would have to make up a screen a print an image every time some one buys one.
this is ok for things like etching but for screen printing its a bit of an arse.
I also I like to make variable editions with lots of painting involved. Making an unlimited variable is a head melter.
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