Poly Mindset
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The difference of what is happening now, by Poly Mindset on Sept 13, 2017 8:21:04 GMT 1, Everything is just blowing my mind and I have this compelling need to speak out for what the fuck is going on here! I just feel there is something being lost in urban and other art at this moment. Maybe, I just don't get it. Maybe everyone is crazy, maybe I'm crazy. My point is that when I see the beauty of the message and true artistry of Banksy and other artist's work like Faile or even Bast ect. and so many others being overshadowed by pixels of work creating fictional beings from other planets I have to say I just don't get it and am losing faith in the ability to judge the collector's point of view on what defies good art. I have been a member here for quite a long time and have witnessed the comings and goings of many good artists and I do mean artists with great skills. This manipulation of crap being put out there to generate commerce is beyond ludicrous. What happened to people appreciating the hard skills of intricacy of an artist taking the time to create something with heart!! Not something from a 1970's video game.
Everything is just blowing my mind and I have this compelling need to speak out for what the fuck is going on here! I just feel there is something being lost in urban and other art at this moment. Maybe, I just don't get it. Maybe everyone is crazy, maybe I'm crazy. My point is that when I see the beauty of the message and true artistry of Banksy and other artist's work like Faile or even Bast ect. and so many others being overshadowed by pixels of work creating fictional beings from other planets I have to say I just don't get it and am losing faith in the ability to judge the collector's point of view on what defies good art. I have been a member here for quite a long time and have witnessed the comings and goings of many good artists and I do mean artists with great skills. This manipulation of crap being put out there to generate commerce is beyond ludicrous. What happened to people appreciating the hard skills of intricacy of an artist taking the time to create something with heart!! Not something from a 1970's video game.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Fake on Sept 13, 2017 8:41:19 GMT 1, Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess..
Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day!
And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..?
He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist.
Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion
Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess..
Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day!
And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..?
He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist.
Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion
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Matt
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The difference of what is happening now, by Matt on Sept 13, 2017 9:32:08 GMT 1, Everything is just blowing my mind and I have this compelling need to speak out for what the f**kis going on here! I just feel there is something being lost in urban and other art at this moment. Maybe, I just don't get it. Maybe everyone is crazy, maybe I'm crazy. My point is that when I see the beauty of the message and true artistry of Banksy and other artist's work like Faile or even Bast ect. and so many others being overshadowed by pixels of work creating fictional beings from other planets I have to say I just don't get it and am losing faith in the ability to judge the collector's point of view on what defies good art. I have been a member here for quite a long time and have witnessed the comings and goings of many good artists and I do mean artists with great skills. This manipulation of crap being put out there to generate commerce is beyond ludicrous. What happened to people appreciating the hard skills of intricacy of an artist taking the time to create something with heart!! Not something from a 1970's video game.
Seriously, take a breath and realise how pointless your post is as a criticism of Invader, and art in general
- I don't get Invader
- Is it me or everyone else ?
- Because I have been here for long, surely it is not me.
- I know what defines good art, and this is not it
- So the only explanation is that this must be ludicrous crap
Maybe "what the f**kis going on here" is that no one seems to want to take the time to elaborate constructive points of view and engage in intellectually honest discussion ?
Everything is just blowing my mind and I have this compelling need to speak out for what the f**kis going on here! I just feel there is something being lost in urban and other art at this moment. Maybe, I just don't get it. Maybe everyone is crazy, maybe I'm crazy. My point is that when I see the beauty of the message and true artistry of Banksy and other artist's work like Faile or even Bast ect. and so many others being overshadowed by pixels of work creating fictional beings from other planets I have to say I just don't get it and am losing faith in the ability to judge the collector's point of view on what defies good art. I have been a member here for quite a long time and have witnessed the comings and goings of many good artists and I do mean artists with great skills. This manipulation of crap being put out there to generate commerce is beyond ludicrous. What happened to people appreciating the hard skills of intricacy of an artist taking the time to create something with heart!! Not something from a 1970's video game. Seriously, take a breath and realise how pointless your post is as a criticism of Invader, and art in general - I don't get Invader - Is it me or everyone else ? - Because I have been here for long, surely it is not me. - I know what defines good art, and this is not it - So the only explanation is that this must be ludicrous crap Maybe "what the f**kis going on here" is that no one seems to want to take the time to elaborate constructive points of view and engage in intellectually honest discussion ? |
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avec art
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The difference of what is happening now, by avec art on Sept 13, 2017 10:04:34 GMT 1, I thought the OP of 10+ lines was actually pretty elaborate.
I thought the OP of 10+ lines was actually pretty elaborate.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 10:36:56 GMT 1, It's all about the money, money , money.
I don't get the invader hype and even some of Banksy's works. Take the financial gain out of it and a lot of people wouldn't buy it. What is the difference between an invader print and a space invader poster once framed on the wall? About £1190 that's what.
I don't care what people say to the contrary but i'm pretty sure it's the case for the majority on here. Also pretty sure that some of the holier than thou on here will be picking these prints up and flipping elsewhere or holding for a year when saying "unfortunately it's not going to make the wall" or "the art police say no" or "trading up". It's not flipping coz I've kept it stored flat for 2 years.
I have no issue flipping. Why wouldn't you buy something for £500 which you could instantly sell for £2000?
You are all strangers to me so do I care that you couldn't buy one?. If don't want an easy £1500 then you must be minted already.
If it's not about finance buy a WCP or get yourself down to HMV.
bring on the abuse!
It's all about the money, money , money.
I don't get the invader hype and even some of Banksy's works. Take the financial gain out of it and a lot of people wouldn't buy it. What is the difference between an invader print and a space invader poster once framed on the wall? About £1190 that's what.
I don't care what people say to the contrary but i'm pretty sure it's the case for the majority on here. Also pretty sure that some of the holier than thou on here will be picking these prints up and flipping elsewhere or holding for a year when saying "unfortunately it's not going to make the wall" or "the art police say no" or "trading up". It's not flipping coz I've kept it stored flat for 2 years.
I have no issue flipping. Why wouldn't you buy something for £500 which you could instantly sell for £2000?
You are all strangers to me so do I care that you couldn't buy one?. If don't want an easy £1500 then you must be minted already.
If it's not about finance buy a WCP or get yourself down to HMV.
bring on the abuse!
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The difference of what is happening now, by Jaylove on Sept 13, 2017 11:18:46 GMT 1, It's all about the money, money , money. I don't get the invader hype and even some of Banksy's works. Take the financial gain out of it and a lot of people wouldn't buy it. What is the difference between an invader print and a space invader poster once framed on the wall? About £1190 that's what. I don't care what people say to the contrary but i'm pretty sure it's the case for the majority on here. Also pretty sure that some of the holier than thou on here will be picking these prints up and flipping elsewhere or holding for a year when saying "unfortunately it's not going to make the wall" or "the art police say no" or "trading up". It's not flipping coz I've kept it stored flat for 2 years. I have no issue flipping. Why wouldn't you buy something for £500 which you could instantly sell for £2000? You are all strangers to me so do I care that you couldn't buy one?. If don't want an easy £1500 then you must be minted already. If it's not about finance buy a WCP or get yourself down to HMV. bring on the abuse!
I tend to agree with you here. Take the $ out of it and things would be much different. I also feel people/galleries, etc who have a vested interest in values do their part to boost values of particular artists. This is happening in other sectors, not just art. Create bubbles, boost value.
It's all about the money, money , money. I don't get the invader hype and even some of Banksy's works. Take the financial gain out of it and a lot of people wouldn't buy it. What is the difference between an invader print and a space invader poster once framed on the wall? About £1190 that's what. I don't care what people say to the contrary but i'm pretty sure it's the case for the majority on here. Also pretty sure that some of the holier than thou on here will be picking these prints up and flipping elsewhere or holding for a year when saying "unfortunately it's not going to make the wall" or "the art police say no" or "trading up". It's not flipping coz I've kept it stored flat for 2 years. I have no issue flipping. Why wouldn't you buy something for £500 which you could instantly sell for £2000? You are all strangers to me so do I care that you couldn't buy one?. If don't want an easy £1500 then you must be minted already. If it's not about finance buy a WCP or get yourself down to HMV. bring on the abuse! I tend to agree with you here. Take the $ out of it and things would be much different. I also feel people/galleries, etc who have a vested interest in values do their part to boost values of particular artists. This is happening in other sectors, not just art. Create bubbles, boost value. |
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Matt
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The difference of what is happening now, by Matt on Sept 13, 2017 12:04:41 GMT 1, It's all about the money, money , money. I don't get the invader hype and even some of Banksy's works. Take the financial gain out of it and a lot of people wouldn't buy it. What is the difference between an invader print and a space invader poster once framed on the wall? About £1190 that's what. I don't care what people say to the contrary but i'm pretty sure it's the case for the majority on here. Also pretty sure that some of the holier than thou on here will be picking these prints up and flipping elsewhere or holding for a year when saying "unfortunately it's not going to make the wall" or "the art police say no" or "trading up". It's not flipping coz I've kept it stored flat for 2 years. I have no issue flipping. Why wouldn't you buy something for £500 which you could instantly sell for £2000? You are all strangers to me so do I care that you couldn't buy one?. If don't want an easy £1500 then you must be minted already. If it's not about finance buy a WCP or get yourself down to HMV. bring on the abuse! I tend to agree with you here. Take the $ out of it and things would be much different. I also feel people/galleries, etc who have a vested interest in values do their part to boost values of particular artists. This is happening in other sectors, not just art. Create bubbles, boost value.
You can talk about art without any regards to money. Talk isn' just cheap, it's free.
Fortunately, thanks to technology pretty much all of the art in the world is accessible to your eyes (on screen) for virtually nothing. So if you are in it "for the art" then good for you, it's free : now stop moaning.
However, if you want to go to the subject of ownership of art, then don't complain that money is involved. Capitalism / consumerism puts a value on everything as long as someone wants it. There will be vested interests, lack of transparency, multiple layers and parties etc etc...
In the end, I think a lot of people who moan about art "being about the money" are really more or less complaining that they can't own what they want.
Because if you like art for the art, you in a for a real treat, and it's a free lunch
It's all about the money, money , money. I don't get the invader hype and even some of Banksy's works. Take the financial gain out of it and a lot of people wouldn't buy it. What is the difference between an invader print and a space invader poster once framed on the wall? About £1190 that's what. I don't care what people say to the contrary but i'm pretty sure it's the case for the majority on here. Also pretty sure that some of the holier than thou on here will be picking these prints up and flipping elsewhere or holding for a year when saying "unfortunately it's not going to make the wall" or "the art police say no" or "trading up". It's not flipping coz I've kept it stored flat for 2 years. I have no issue flipping. Why wouldn't you buy something for £500 which you could instantly sell for £2000? You are all strangers to me so do I care that you couldn't buy one?. If don't want an easy £1500 then you must be minted already. If it's not about finance buy a WCP or get yourself down to HMV. bring on the abuse! I tend to agree with you here. Take the $ out of it and things would be much different. I also feel people/galleries, etc who have a vested interest in values do their part to boost values of particular artists. This is happening in other sectors, not just art. Create bubbles, boost value. You can talk about art without any regards to money. Talk isn' just cheap, it's free. Fortunately, thanks to technology pretty much all of the art in the world is accessible to your eyes (on screen) for virtually nothing. So if you are in it " for the art" then good for you, it's free : now stop moaning. However, if you want to go to the subject of ownership of art, then don't complain that money is involved. Capitalism / consumerism puts a value on everything as long as someone wants it. There will be vested interests, lack of transparency, multiple layers and parties etc etc... In the end, I think a lot of people who moan about art "being about the money" are really more or less complaining that they can't own what they want. Because if you like art for the art, you in a for a real treat, and it's a free lunch |
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The difference of what is happening now, by avec art on Sept 13, 2017 12:24:14 GMT 1, I agree with this, but art is invariably better when actually seen in person as well. So it would be nice if Government and local councils could put a bit more finance and effort into places for art to be displayed and not just fed to 'mainstream' institutions.
I guess this is partly the reason 'urban' and 'street' art is exiting, because artists and contributors are not playing by the established rules and by doing such have broken and are breaking new ground. Often to the derision and confusion of the existing traditional framework.
I agree with this, but art is invariably better when actually seen in person as well. So it would be nice if Government and local councils could put a bit more finance and effort into places for art to be displayed and not just fed to 'mainstream' institutions.
I guess this is partly the reason 'urban' and 'street' art is exiting, because artists and contributors are not playing by the established rules and by doing such have broken and are breaking new ground. Often to the derision and confusion of the existing traditional framework.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Jaylove on Sept 13, 2017 12:26:12 GMT 1, I tend to agree with you here. Take the $ out of it and things would be much different. I also feel people/galleries, etc who have a vested interest in values do their part to boost values of particular artists. This is happening in other sectors, not just art. Create bubbles, boost value. You can talk about art without any regards to money. Talk isn' just cheap, it's free. Fortunately, thanks to technology pretty much all of the art in the world is accessible to your eyes (on screen) for virtually nothing. So if you are in it " for the art" then good for you, it's free : now stop moaning. However, if you want to go to the subject of ownership of art, then don't complain that money is involved. Capitalism / consumerism puts a value on everything as long as someone wants it. There will be vested interests, lack of transparency, multiple layers and parties etc etc... In the end, I think a lot of people who moan about art "being about the money" are really more or less complaining that they can't own what they want. Because if you like art for the art, you in a for a real treat, and it's a free lunch
You're way off base here.
I tend to agree with you here. Take the $ out of it and things would be much different. I also feel people/galleries, etc who have a vested interest in values do their part to boost values of particular artists. This is happening in other sectors, not just art. Create bubbles, boost value. You can talk about art without any regards to money. Talk isn' just cheap, it's free. Fortunately, thanks to technology pretty much all of the art in the world is accessible to your eyes (on screen) for virtually nothing. So if you are in it " for the art" then good for you, it's free : now stop moaning. However, if you want to go to the subject of ownership of art, then don't complain that money is involved. Capitalism / consumerism puts a value on everything as long as someone wants it. There will be vested interests, lack of transparency, multiple layers and parties etc etc... In the end, I think a lot of people who moan about art "being about the money" are really more or less complaining that they can't own what they want. Because if you like art for the art, you in a for a real treat, and it's a free lunch You're way off base here. |
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The difference of what is happening now, by Matt on Sept 13, 2017 12:58:44 GMT 1, You can talk about art without any regards to money. Talk isn' just cheap, it's free. Fortunately, thanks to technology pretty much all of the art in the world is accessible to your eyes (on screen) for virtually nothing. So if you are in it " for the art" then good for you, it's free : now stop moaning. However, if you want to go to the subject of ownership of art, then don't complain that money is involved. Capitalism / consumerism puts a value on everything as long as someone wants it. There will be vested interests, lack of transparency, multiple layers and parties etc etc... In the end, I think a lot of people who moan about art "being about the money" are really more or less complaining that they can't own what they want. Because if you like art for the art, you in a for a real treat, and it's a free lunch You're way off base here.
Enlighten me.
I read "art is all about he money" " I wish it was more about the art" and "the money is ruining it"...and I don't agree.
the fact that most discussions are in fact about art ownership make it primarily about money and art as a product. But that does not mean art and it's appreciation is necessarily about money or tainted by it
So tell me what I misunderstood
You can talk about art without any regards to money. Talk isn' just cheap, it's free. Fortunately, thanks to technology pretty much all of the art in the world is accessible to your eyes (on screen) for virtually nothing. So if you are in it " for the art" then good for you, it's free : now stop moaning. However, if you want to go to the subject of ownership of art, then don't complain that money is involved. Capitalism / consumerism puts a value on everything as long as someone wants it. There will be vested interests, lack of transparency, multiple layers and parties etc etc... In the end, I think a lot of people who moan about art "being about the money" are really more or less complaining that they can't own what they want. Because if you like art for the art, you in a for a real treat, and it's a free lunch You're way off base here. Enlighten me. I read "art is all about he money" " I wish it was more about the art" and "the money is ruining it"...and I don't agree. the fact that most discussions are in fact about art ownership make it primarily about money and art as a product. But that does not mean art and it's appreciation is necessarily about money or tainted by it So tell me what I misunderstood |
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The difference of what is happening now, by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 13:48:11 GMT 1, Agree it's not ALL about the money. But a hell of a lot is.
Agree it's not ALL about the money. But a hell of a lot is.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Poly Mindset on Sept 13, 2017 18:01:24 GMT 1,  Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess.. Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day! And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..? He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist. Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion
 
Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess.. Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day! And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..? He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist. Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion Whaaaat? Street art utilizing tiles has been around for not only decades but centuries. Take a look at art history in Portugal, Mexico, or countless countries in the Middle East and even Europe. Invader didn't invent this medium it's been utilized for a long time. Now, I'm not saying he hasn't contributed in some fashion to street art. What I'm asking is what is the meaning of his work? I just don't see putting a bunch of voxels or square tiles together to create little beings from outer space as something over the top and super creative. Then, to take it and make prints selling for thousands of dollars just doesn't seem to hold water IMHO. Take a look at some of the other art out there and the intricate work of some mosaics in some of these other countries and explain to me how Invader's work compares. I guess, to each their own but personally I just don't see it. |
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The difference of what is happening now, by Poly Mindset on Sept 13, 2017 18:55:29 GMT 1, Everything is just blowing my mind and I have this compelling need to speak out for what the f**kis going on here! I just feel there is something being lost in urban and other art at this moment. Maybe, I just don't get it. Maybe everyone is crazy, maybe I'm crazy. My point is that when I see the beauty of the message and true artistry of Banksy and other artist's work like Faile or even Bast ect. and so many others being overshadowed by pixels of work creating fictional beings from other planets I have to say I just don't get it and am losing faith in the ability to judge the collector's point of view on what defies good art. I have been a member here for quite a long time and have witnessed the comings and goings of many good artists and I do mean artists with great skills. This manipulation of crap being put out there to generate commerce is beyond ludicrous. What happened to people appreciating the hard skills of intricacy of an artist taking the time to create something with heart!! Not something from a 1970's video game. Seriously, take a breath and realise how pointless your post is as a criticism of Invader, and art in general - I don't get Invader - Is it me or everyone else ? - Because I have been here for long, surely it is not me. - I know what defines good art, and this is not it - So the only explanation is that this must be ludicrous crap Maybe "what the f**kis going on here" is that no one seems to want to take the time to elaborate constructive points of view and engage in intellectually honest discussion ?
Everything is just blowing my mind and I have this compelling need to speak out for what the f**kis going on here! I just feel there is something being lost in urban and other art at this moment. Maybe, I just don't get it. Maybe everyone is crazy, maybe I'm crazy. My point is that when I see the beauty of the message and true artistry of Banksy and other artist's work like Faile or even Bast ect. and so many others being overshadowed by pixels of work creating fictional beings from other planets I have to say I just don't get it and am losing faith in the ability to judge the collector's point of view on what defies good art. I have been a member here for quite a long time and have witnessed the comings and goings of many good artists and I do mean artists with great skills. This manipulation of crap being put out there to generate commerce is beyond ludicrous. What happened to people appreciating the hard skills of intricacy of an artist taking the time to create something with heart!! Not something from a 1970's video game. Seriously, take a breath and realise how pointless your post is as a criticism of Invader, and art in general - I don't get Invader - Is it me or everyone else ? - Because I have been here for long, surely it is not me. - I know what defines good art, and this is not it - So the only explanation is that this must be ludicrous crap Maybe "what the f**kis going on here" is that no one seems to want to take the time to elaborate constructive points of view and engage in intellectually honest discussion ? Maybe you should take to heart your own words here because in this post you have made no constructive points of view and have not contributed anything remotely intellectual. You have only pointlessly pointed out how pointless you think my original post is. What you've failed to observe is that I was making a comparative artist analysis between the works of Banksy, Faile , Bast and countless other artist being overshadowed by Invader's work. Additionally, it has nothing to do with me being a member here for a long time and I don't pretend to be all knowing and high and mighty on the definition of what good art is however, I am entitled to my opinion which is pretty much all I was stating. Since your wee tiny brain had a problem with this earlier let me simplify. IMHO, artistically Invader's work doesn't compare to other artist's work because the skill level and imagination of it is sophomoric and childish. Furthermore, it expresses nothing with any meaning to me. There is no political or societal contribution, no depiction or any message of beauty or ugliness of the real world. It's just little squares linked together creating images of what? Again, don't get your panties in a wad, I am just expressing my own personal point of view here. Comparatively, to me there is much better art being produced. That is all. |
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The difference of what is happening now, by Matt on Sept 13, 2017 19:27:58 GMT 1, Seriously, take a breath and realise how pointless your post is as a criticism of Invader, and art in general - I don't get Invader - Is it me or everyone else ? - Because I have been here for long, surely it is not me. - I know what defines good art, and this is not it - So the only explanation is that this must be ludicrous crap Maybe "what the f**kis going on here" is that no one seems to want to take the time to elaborate constructive points of view and engage in intellectually honest discussion ? Maybe you should take to heart your own words here because in this post you have made no constructive points of view and have not contributed anything remotely intellectual. You have only pointlessly pointed out how pointless you think my original post is. What you've failed to observe is that I was making a comparative artist analysis between the works of Banksy, Faile , Bast and countless other artist being overshadowed by Invader's work. Additionally, it has nothing to do with me being a member here for a long time and I don't pretend to be all knowing and high and mighty on the definition of what good art is however, I am entitled to my opinion which is pretty much all I was stating. Since your wee tiny brain had a problem with this earlier let me simplify. IMHO, artistically Invader's work doesn't compare to other artist's work because the skill level and imagination of it is sophomoric and childish. Furthermore, it expresses nothing with any meaning to me. There is no political or societal contribution, no depiction or any message of beauty or ugliness of the real world. It's just little squares linked together creating images of what? Again, don't get your panties in a wad, I am just expressing my own personal point of view here. Comparatively, to me there is much better art being produced. That is all.
My post was indeed pointless, mirroring yours and its logic, as you aptly pointed out.
I thoroughly disagree with your point of view on Invader, but I fully appreciate you taking the time to lay it out, which I think is what this place is for.
I would also happily argue that some of the names you cite are no better street artists than Invader, but I think we are pitting him against Pejac this week so I will wait for the end of that one :-)
Seriously, take a breath and realise how pointless your post is as a criticism of Invader, and art in general - I don't get Invader - Is it me or everyone else ? - Because I have been here for long, surely it is not me. - I know what defines good art, and this is not it - So the only explanation is that this must be ludicrous crap Maybe "what the f**kis going on here" is that no one seems to want to take the time to elaborate constructive points of view and engage in intellectually honest discussion ? Maybe you should take to heart your own words here because in this post you have made no constructive points of view and have not contributed anything remotely intellectual. You have only pointlessly pointed out how pointless you think my original post is. What you've failed to observe is that I was making a comparative artist analysis between the works of Banksy, Faile , Bast and countless other artist being overshadowed by Invader's work. Additionally, it has nothing to do with me being a member here for a long time and I don't pretend to be all knowing and high and mighty on the definition of what good art is however, I am entitled to my opinion which is pretty much all I was stating. Since your wee tiny brain had a problem with this earlier let me simplify. IMHO, artistically Invader's work doesn't compare to other artist's work because the skill level and imagination of it is sophomoric and childish. Furthermore, it expresses nothing with any meaning to me. There is no political or societal contribution, no depiction or any message of beauty or ugliness of the real world. It's just little squares linked together creating images of what? Again, don't get your panties in a wad, I am just expressing my own personal point of view here. Comparatively, to me there is much better art being produced. That is all. My post was indeed pointless, mirroring yours and its logic, as you aptly pointed out. I thoroughly disagree with your point of view on Invader, but I fully appreciate you taking the time to lay it out, which I think is what this place is for. I would also happily argue that some of the names you cite are no better street artists than Invader, but I think we are pitting him against Pejac this week so I will wait for the end of that one :-) |
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The difference of what is happening now, by Pysgod on Sept 13, 2017 19:40:30 GMT 1, I just want to know why Dale Marshall was omitted from the UK artists boards during the overhaul ? 
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The difference of what is happening now, by chevyav53 on Sept 13, 2017 19:51:52 GMT 1, Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess.. Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day! And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..? He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist. Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion Whaaaat? Street art utilizing tiles has been around for not only decades but centuries. Take a look at art history in Portugal, Mexico, or countless countries in the Middle East and even Europe. Invader didn't invent this medium it's been utilized for a long time. Now, I'm not saying he hasn't contributed in some fashion to street art. What I'm asking is what is the meaning of his work? I just don't see putting a bunch of voxels or square tiles together to create little beings from outer space as something over the top and super creative. Then, to take it and make prints selling for thousands of dollars just doesn't seem to hold water IMHO. Take a look at some of the other art out there and the intricate work of some mosaics in some of these other countries and explain to me how Invader's work compares. I guess, to each their own but personally I just don't see it.
Invader is an OG but still hard to believe it will stand the test of time. I've mentioned him before Add Fuel, but artists such as he and others are bringing back traditional tiles which take more skill. If you see more like these or mosaics such as the above will be interesting to see what happens. Love seeing the home made invaders. 
This is artwork with tiles:
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Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess.. Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day! And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..? He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist. Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion Whaaaat? Street art utilizing tiles has been around for not only decades but centuries. Take a look at art history in Portugal, Mexico, or countless countries in the Middle East and even Europe. Invader didn't invent this medium it's been utilized for a long time. Now, I'm not saying he hasn't contributed in some fashion to street art. What I'm asking is what is the meaning of his work? I just don't see putting a bunch of voxels or square tiles together to create little beings from outer space as something over the top and super creative. Then, to take it and make prints selling for thousands of dollars just doesn't seem to hold water IMHO. Take a look at some of the other art out there and the intricate work of some mosaics in some of these other countries and explain to me how Invader's work compares. I guess, to each their own but personally I just don't see it. Beat me to it. Was about to pull out the photos from Portugal, where my family is from. Tile has been around for centuries, did not know Invader was that old. Then get into the complexity of those pieces as you showed in the pictures, beautiful. Invader is an OG but still hard to believe it will stand the test of time. I've mentioned him before Add Fuel, but artists such as he and others are bringing back traditional tiles which take more skill. If you see more like these or mosaics such as the above will be interesting to see what happens. Love seeing the home made invaders. This is artwork with tiles:
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chainsaw
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The difference of what is happening now, by chainsaw on Sept 13, 2017 20:27:10 GMT 1, a bit of community mosaic around here
recycled household tiles..... to go with the recycled "dumped " household paint that is resold and mixed to the buyers requirements.
a bit of community mosaic around here recycled household tiles..... to go with the recycled "dumped " household paint that is resold and mixed to the buyers requirements. |
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Matt
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The difference of what is happening now, by Matt on Sept 13, 2017 20:33:02 GMT 1, so now we are discussing the fact that "tiles were around before invader" ?! The same applies to paint, even if your family isn't from Portugal :-)
Honestly it neither here nor there (but thanks for plugging addfuel, his work is intricate and brilliantly executed especially his larger pieces)
Poly Mindset I think you raise the right questions about Invader
- He uses tiles, and indeed this medium is technically poor. Moreover his subject matter is quirky at best. Although you could debate endlessly about whether painting bowls of fruit, or printing coloured cows , is more "worthy of art" than what he is doing, I don't think his technique or iconography is where his merit lies
- What I do see is that he has taken "street" to a global and obsessive level, and did it when no one gave a rat's a$$. I think that is where his "meaning" lies : his unfaltering obsession to invade the world for all to see, regardless of who was watching at the start. He made kits so people could do their own invasion, used tech to get people to interact with his quirky obsession, puts on shows for kids etc...that "putting it out there" is what defines him in the movement more than his medium or imaging I believe, and what makes him a critical player in street art in his own right
As for the prints being worth tons etc...I think this almost independent of artistic merit for Invader and his peers.
Should a purple Choose Your Weapon AP be worth 40k, an invasion kit 5k etc...if people are paying then yes as far as I am concerned, because the art business is like any business driven by economics, and I see it as separate from the art itself
so now we are discussing the fact that "tiles were around before invader" ?! The same applies to paint, even if your family isn't from Portugal :-) Honestly it neither here nor there (but thanks for plugging addfuel, his work is intricate and brilliantly executed especially his larger pieces) Poly Mindset I think you raise the right questions about Invader - He uses tiles, and indeed this medium is technically poor. Moreover his subject matter is quirky at best. Although you could debate endlessly about whether painting bowls of fruit, or printing coloured cows , is more "worthy of art" than what he is doing, I don't think his technique or iconography is where his merit lies - What I do see is that he has taken "street" to a global and obsessive level, and did it when no one gave a rat's a$$. I think that is where his "meaning" lies : his unfaltering obsession to invade the world for all to see, regardless of who was watching at the start. He made kits so people could do their own invasion, used tech to get people to interact with his quirky obsession, puts on shows for kids etc...that "putting it out there" is what defines him in the movement more than his medium or imaging I believe, and what makes him a critical player in street art in his own right As for the prints being worth tons etc...I think this almost independent of artistic merit for Invader and his peers. Should a purple Choose Your Weapon AP be worth 40k, an invasion kit 5k etc...if people are paying then yes as far as I am concerned, because the art business is like any business driven by economics, and I see it as separate from the art itself |
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The difference of what is happening now, by mose on Sept 13, 2017 20:45:23 GMT 1, I stopped paying attention to the urban art market several years ago and have recently come back. This is my take.
What I have seen, and I still have research to do, looks like a group decided to make Invader 'it', strategic price jumps in originals filtered down to the low-level market, and increased low-level prices fueled popular growth/hype. It feels similar to what happened with Nick Walker, taking off after a random painting went huge at auction 10 or so years ago. All-of-the-sudden Walker, who was not particularly well-regarded, exploded with stagnant originals and prints taking off. If I remember correctly, the tsunami caused by that auction earthquake even saved Carmichael Gallery, who were lucky to have been showing Walker at the time.
I could be wrong, of course, and I am still reading up. This is just what it looks like to me at the moment. Manufactured hype, which has a long, long history in the art market, from Warhol to Basquiat to Nate Lowman to Lucien Smith and so on and so on.
I stopped paying attention to the urban art market several years ago and have recently come back. This is my take.
What I have seen, and I still have research to do, looks like a group decided to make Invader 'it', strategic price jumps in originals filtered down to the low-level market, and increased low-level prices fueled popular growth/hype. It feels similar to what happened with Nick Walker, taking off after a random painting went huge at auction 10 or so years ago. All-of-the-sudden Walker, who was not particularly well-regarded, exploded with stagnant originals and prints taking off. If I remember correctly, the tsunami caused by that auction earthquake even saved Carmichael Gallery, who were lucky to have been showing Walker at the time.
I could be wrong, of course, and I am still reading up. This is just what it looks like to me at the moment. Manufactured hype, which has a long, long history in the art market, from Warhol to Basquiat to Nate Lowman to Lucien Smith and so on and so on.
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chevyav53
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The difference of what is happening now, by chevyav53 on Sept 13, 2017 21:02:27 GMT 1, Matt "so now we are discussing the fact that "tiles were around before invader" ?! The same applies to paint, even if your family isn't from Portugal :-)"
the previous poster stated "And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles." that is not true and why we brought up some of the history, and yes some was done in the street as art. Invader definitely popularized it this century, but was not the first. All were saying and great post agree.
Matt "so now we are discussing the fact that "tiles were around before invader" ?! The same applies to paint, even if your family isn't from Portugal :-)" the previous poster stated "And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles." that is not true and why we brought up some of the history, and yes some was done in the street as art. Invader definitely popularized it this century, but was not the first. All were saying and great post agree.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 21:06:52 GMT 1, Aah we were talker invader prints which is why i mentioned HMV. If it's the invader kits you want try B&Q. Should be able to put one together for about £20 unless you want bling tiles.
Aah we were talker invader prints which is why i mentioned HMV. If it's the invader kits you want try B&Q. Should be able to put one together for about £20 unless you want bling tiles.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Poly Mindset on Sept 13, 2017 21:07:34 GMT 1, so now we are discussing the fact that "tiles were around before invader" ?! The same applies to paint, even if your family isn't from Portugal :-) Honestly it neither here nor there (but thanks for plugging addfuel, his work is intricate and brilliantly executed especially his larger pieces) Poly Mindset I think you raise the right questions about Invader - He uses tiles, and indeed this medium is technically poor. Moreover his subject matter is quirky at best. Although you could debate endlessly about whether painting bowls of fruit, or printing coloured cows , is more "worthy of art" than what he is doing, I don't think his technique or iconography is where his merit lies - What I do see is that he has taken "street" to a global and obsessive level, and did it when no one gave a rat's a$$. I think that is where his "meaning" lies : his unfaltering obsession to invade the world for all to see, regardless of who was watching at the start. He made kits so people could do their own invasion, used tech to get people to interact with his quirky obsession, puts on shows for kids etc...that "putting it out there" is what defines him in the movement more than his medium or imaging I believe, and what makes him a critical player in street art in his own right As for the prints being worth tons etc...I think this almost independent of artistic merit for Invader and his peers. Should a purple Choose Your Weapon AP be worth 40k, an invasion kit 5k etc...if people are paying then yes as far as I am concerned, because the art business is like any business driven by economics, and I see it as separate from the art itself
so now we are discussing the fact that "tiles were around before invader" ?! The same applies to paint, even if your family isn't from Portugal :-) Honestly it neither here nor there (but thanks for plugging addfuel, his work is intricate and brilliantly executed especially his larger pieces) Poly Mindset I think you raise the right questions about Invader - He uses tiles, and indeed this medium is technically poor. Moreover his subject matter is quirky at best. Although you could debate endlessly about whether painting bowls of fruit, or printing coloured cows , is more "worthy of art" than what he is doing, I don't think his technique or iconography is where his merit lies - What I do see is that he has taken "street" to a global and obsessive level, and did it when no one gave a rat's a$$. I think that is where his "meaning" lies : his unfaltering obsession to invade the world for all to see, regardless of who was watching at the start. He made kits so people could do their own invasion, used tech to get people to interact with his quirky obsession, puts on shows for kids etc...that "putting it out there" is what defines him in the movement more than his medium or imaging I believe, and what makes him a critical player in street art in his own right As for the prints being worth tons etc...I think this almost independent of artistic merit for Invader and his peers. Should a purple Choose Your Weapon AP be worth 40k, an invasion kit 5k etc...if people are paying then yes as far as I am concerned, because the art business is like any business driven by economics, and I see it as separate from the art itself Points taken and well stated. I get it and agree that his efforts are worthy and I do like the fact that he went down the road of inter-activeness but to me the imagery is nothing to write home about. I tend to agree with Mose's post regarding the Invader market. Believe me, I am not offended just non-participatory. As I have stated, to each their own. |
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The difference of what is happening now, by Viking Surfer on Sept 13, 2017 21:17:31 GMT 1, a bit of community mosaic around here recycled household tiles..... to go with the recycled "dumped " household paint that is resold and mixed to the buyers requirements.
Really cool concept, thanks for sharing.
a bit of community mosaic around here recycled household tiles..... to go with the recycled "dumped " household paint that is resold and mixed to the buyers requirements. Really cool concept, thanks for sharing. |
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The difference of what is happening now, by brycepen on Sept 13, 2017 22:18:16 GMT 1, Bahahaha, this is the best thread I've read in a long time. I like invader and can appreciate his work, but the OP has a perfectly valid opinion. And I bet most people outside of the UAA bubble agree with him.
the most hilarious part of this thread, by far, was the suggestion that tile art or mosaic art using tiles is in any way a novel concept. Or that invader was one of the first to do it on the streets. Or that he's even particularly good at it. Have none of you ever been to Mexico or south america?! Tiled street art is so much a part of the culture that you dont even notice it eventually.
I'm not even trying to have an opinion about whether or not invader makes "good" art or any of that kind of nonsense. I just thought that some responses to the OP's post were both bizarrely harsh and woefully ignorant.
Bahahaha, this is the best thread I've read in a long time. I like invader and can appreciate his work, but the OP has a perfectly valid opinion. And I bet most people outside of the UAA bubble agree with him.
the most hilarious part of this thread, by far, was the suggestion that tile art or mosaic art using tiles is in any way a novel concept. Or that invader was one of the first to do it on the streets. Or that he's even particularly good at it. Have none of you ever been to Mexico or south america?! Tiled street art is so much a part of the culture that you dont even notice it eventually.
I'm not even trying to have an opinion about whether or not invader makes "good" art or any of that kind of nonsense. I just thought that some responses to the OP's post were both bizarrely harsh and woefully ignorant.
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The difference of what is happening now, by Poesia on Sept 14, 2017 1:06:50 GMT 1, Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess.. Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day! And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..? He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist. Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion
I remember about 3 years ago ranting to the collectors on here why they were buying garbage and not buying real street art Like Invader and Blu. Now it seems that when the Banksy market dried up and his production went down they seem to have latched on to Invader to create a flipping market and demand. This is not the artists problem and does not have anything to do with the artist. Its the markets issue so leave Invaders work and reputation out the debate as it only shows how you are biased or uneducated on the matter. Regardless of mosiacs or whatever your argument Invader is Street Art get over it.
That being said take a deep breath focus on what you are interested and move on. Some artists arent for everyone keep pushin what you believe in. Focusing your energy on negative issues that you wont change is time you will never get back.
Well... it is about history and streetcred is my guess.. Invader is one of the most active artists around! You can see him hitting the streets almost every day! And he is the firsts or only one who has started doing street art with tiles. So it is a creative material and out of the box thinking combined with being on the streets with new work every week. And he was doing street art before the big Banksy hype in.. 2008..? He even made street art a real life game you can take part in! So maybe you should not just look at the visual but also at the history and do some reading regarding the artist. Saying his work has no meaning is not true in my opinion This is probably a thread I would have debated with many in years past when I had more time on my hand but bottom line Invader is Invader regardless of if you like his Art or his current Market. He is one of the most relevant artists in the street art scene and that is not debateable. Read your history and ask other artists, because everyone respects his work wether you like his imagery or not. I remember about 3 years ago ranting to the collectors on here why they were buying garbage and not buying real street art Like Invader and Blu. Now it seems that when the Banksy market dried up and his production went down they seem to have latched on to Invader to create a flipping market and demand. This is not the artists problem and does not have anything to do with the artist. Its the markets issue so leave Invaders work and reputation out the debate as it only shows how you are biased or uneducated on the matter. Regardless of mosiacs or whatever your argument Invader is Street Art get over it. That being said take a deep breath focus on what you are interested and move on. Some artists arent for everyone keep pushin what you believe in. Focusing your energy on negative issues that you wont change is time you will never get back. |
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The difference of what is happening now, by d.r. perseus on Sept 14, 2017 3:41:15 GMT 1, nostalgia is acceptable on some levels (invader) and not on others (Chevrier). I for one know in part I own SC pieces because of nostalgia. Ive yet to see an invader fan admit this obvious point.
nostalgia is acceptable on some levels (invader) and not on others (Chevrier). I for one know in part I own SC pieces because of nostalgia. Ive yet to see an invader fan admit this obvious point.
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