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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by cyberkid on Sept 26, 2017 10:59:36 GMT 1,
FT article
September 22, 2017
by Melanie Gerlis
Just ahead of last weekโs opening of Jean-Michel Basquiatโs first major UK exhibition, street artist Banksy made his mark. The anonymous artist confirmed via Instagram that he was the creator of two murals now on the walls of the Barbican Centre in London that reference the American artistโs street background. On his social media feed, Banksy wrote: โMajor new Basquiat show opens at the Barbican โ a place that is normally very keen to clean any graffiti from its walls.โ
Such is the complicated relationship between street art and the polished platforms of the art world.
Street art, sometimes described within the broader category of Urban art, is still in its infancy on the market โ Banksy is something of an outlier โ but it has certainly proved popular over the past 10 years. In the UK, works by Banksy and forlorn figures by Stik are national darlings. Banksy topped a recent Samsung-organised poll of 20 shortlisted British art works in which Stikโs โA couple hold hands in the streetโ came out above a Henry Moore. People of all ages and demographics are attracted to street art, from schoolchildren to Hollywoodโs glitterati, though the art world elite is still wavering.
Not so at Moniker, a fair dedicated to street art, which opens its eighth edition in London next month with three times more floor space (3,000 sq. ft) for its 29 exhibitors and seven installations. The fairโs first New York edition opens in May 2018.
โStreet art has come a long way from its vandalism roots,โ says Tina Ziegler, director of the fair since last year. โItโs now a digestible, illustrative, welcoming form of art for a generation that is politically switched-on, obsessed with its current culture and looking for a voice.โ
There have been problems, as the legalities of owning art with its roots in rebellion have been truly tested. Until relatively recently, street pieces carved out of walls were offered fairly openly on the market. During the previous Folkestone Triennial in 2014, Banksy graced the townโs walls with โArt Buffโ, a woman with clunky headphones looking at an empty plinth. Before the festival ended, the buildingโs tenants removed the work and shipped it to the United States for sale, with a reported ยฃ500,000 price tag. Creative Foundation, a local arts charity, mounted a legal challenge, which it eventually won, because the tenants were not the wallโs rightful owners. Banksy, whose persona relies on his anonymity, โdidnโt want to get involvedโ according to Tim Maxwell, a partner at law firm Boodle Hatfield, who acted for the charity.
Alistair Upton, chief executive of Creative Foundation, now the official owner of โArt Buffโ, is delighted to have the work back but is still working out how best to display it again in Folkestone. โOne ton of wall is not the easiest thing to own,โ he says. Last week he hosted a panel at this yearโs festival titled โA Banksy in your town; a blessing or a curse?โ
Major auction houses and dealers no longer sell pieces taken from the wall. That doesnโt mean people wonโt still try to trade them, but legal and ethical question marks should at least limit this market. Business is now in studio works made by artists who generally have a street presence and who share an aesthetic of rebellion, relevance, simplicity and occasional humour.
Social media has been a game changer. โYou could say Instagram made this market,โ Ziegler says. Street pieces that may previously have been removed or attracted only a local audience are now beamed across the world in seconds, proving an unparalleled marketing campaign for artists who are generally self-taught and unrepresented. โItโs a way of making work immortal,โ says Ralph Taylor, global head of postwar and contemporary art at Bonhams and previously a director at street art specialists Lazarides Gallery.
Price points also help: at Moniker, a limited-edition print release by up-and-coming Los Angeles mural artist Audrey Kawasaki starts at around ยฃ100 (Thinkspace gallery). Ziegler believes โa good 90 per cent of these works will go up in value in the next five years.โ
There can be other issues, even for works not on walls, including fakes and forgeries: simple designs are not difficult to replicate. Stik recently had to stop the sale of 700 eggs printed with one of his images without his authority. Banksy now issues certificates of authenticity through Pest Control, established in 2008. โNo one will touch a [Banksy] work without a certificate,โ Taylor says.
Quality control is also tricky in a field that is young and open to all. โNot many works pass muster,โ Taylor says. Ziegler is more upbeat about the crop of talent and highlights the skill of artists who can spray paint on to large walls. โItโs a very difficult medium to control,โ she says. The appeal of street art, she says, is โabout matching that technical skill with relevant conversationโ.
A special section at Moniker next month, called โTransient Talesโ, traces urban artโs roots back to the 1920s. โIn the [American] Depression, young men left their towns to see the country, to become free. They drew symbols on trains to communicate with each other, and these were the original โmonikersโ,โ Ziegler explains.
It seems a far cry from todayโs conservative and business-like market โ part of the point that Banksy is making at Barbican โ yet a taste for edgier, outsider art is creeping in. Hot-ticket contemporary artists such as JR and Sterling Ruby are relentlessly urban. (JR, who has just pasted a huge photo of a young boy on the US-Mexico border, started out as a graffiti artist in Paris.)
Then of course there is Basquiat, who came to the art worldโs attention through his graffiti collective SAMOยฉ at the end of the 1970s. Not only does Basquiat now have a major museum show in London, in May his 1982 โUntitledโ sold for a record $98m ($110.5m with fees), and so he overtook Andy Warhol as the priciest American artist to sell at auction. Perhaps the previous canon is shifting in line with a new taste. โIf one dead, drug-using, black man comes into the pantheon, it could begin to confer legitimacy elsewhere,โ Taylor says.
by The Financial Times
FT articleSeptember 22, 2017 by Melanie Gerlis Just ahead of last weekโs opening of Jean-Michel Basquiatโs first major UK exhibition, street artist Banksy made his mark. The anonymous artist confirmed via Instagram that he was the creator of two murals now on the walls of the Barbican Centre in London that reference the American artistโs street background. On his social media feed, Banksy wrote: โMajor new Basquiat show opens at the Barbican โ a place that is normally very keen to clean any graffiti from its walls.โ Such is the complicated relationship between street art and the polished platforms of the art world. Street art, sometimes described within the broader category of Urban art, is still in its infancy on the market โ Banksy is something of an outlier โ but it has certainly proved popular over the past 10 years. In the UK, works by Banksy and forlorn figures by Stik are national darlings. Banksy topped a recent Samsung-organised poll of 20 shortlisted British art works in which Stikโs โA couple hold hands in the streetโ came out above a Henry Moore. People of all ages and demographics are attracted to street art, from schoolchildren to Hollywoodโs glitterati, though the art world elite is still wavering. Not so at Moniker, a fair dedicated to street art, which opens its eighth edition in London next month with three times more floor space (3,000 sq. ft) for its 29 exhibitors and seven installations. The fairโs first New York edition opens in May 2018. โStreet art has come a long way from its vandalism roots,โ says Tina Ziegler, director of the fair since last year. โItโs now a digestible, illustrative, welcoming form of art for a generation that is politically switched-on, obsessed with its current culture and looking for a voice.โ There have been problems, as the legalities of owning art with its roots in rebellion have been truly tested. Until relatively recently, street pieces carved out of walls were offered fairly openly on the market. During the previous Folkestone Triennial in 2014, Banksy graced the townโs walls with โArt Buffโ, a woman with clunky headphones looking at an empty plinth. Before the festival ended, the buildingโs tenants removed the work and shipped it to the United States for sale, with a reported ยฃ500,000 price tag. Creative Foundation, a local arts charity, mounted a legal challenge, which it eventually won, because the tenants were not the wallโs rightful owners. Banksy, whose persona relies on his anonymity, โdidnโt want to get involvedโ according to Tim Maxwell, a partner at law firm Boodle Hatfield, who acted for the charity. Alistair Upton, chief executive of Creative Foundation, now the official owner of โArt Buffโ, is delighted to have the work back but is still working out how best to display it again in Folkestone. โOne ton of wall is not the easiest thing to own,โ he says. Last week he hosted a panel at this yearโs festival titled โA Banksy in your town; a blessing or a curse?โ Major auction houses and dealers no longer sell pieces taken from the wall. That doesnโt mean people wonโt still try to trade them, but legal and ethical question marks should at least limit this market. Business is now in studio works made by artists who generally have a street presence and who share an aesthetic of rebellion, relevance, simplicity and occasional humour. Social media has been a game changer. โYou could say Instagram made this market,โ Ziegler says. Street pieces that may previously have been removed or attracted only a local audience are now beamed across the world in seconds, proving an unparalleled marketing campaign for artists who are generally self-taught and unrepresented. โItโs a way of making work immortal,โ says Ralph Taylor, global head of postwar and contemporary art at Bonhams and previously a director at street art specialists Lazarides Gallery. Price points also help: at Moniker, a limited-edition print release by up-and-coming Los Angeles mural artist Audrey Kawasaki starts at around ยฃ100 (Thinkspace gallery). Ziegler believes โa good 90 per cent of these works will go up in value in the next five years.โ There can be other issues, even for works not on walls, including fakes and forgeries: simple designs are not difficult to replicate. Stik recently had to stop the sale of 700 eggs printed with one of his images without his authority. Banksy now issues certificates of authenticity through Pest Control, established in 2008. โNo one will touch a [Banksy] work without a certificate,โ Taylor says. Quality control is also tricky in a field that is young and open to all. โNot many works pass muster,โ Taylor says. Ziegler is more upbeat about the crop of talent and highlights the skill of artists who can spray paint on to large walls. โItโs a very difficult medium to control,โ she says. The appeal of street art, she says, is โabout matching that technical skill with relevant conversationโ. A special section at Moniker next month, called โTransient Talesโ, traces urban artโs roots back to the 1920s. โIn the [American] Depression, young men left their towns to see the country, to become free. They drew symbols on trains to communicate with each other, and these were the original โmonikersโ,โ Ziegler explains. It seems a far cry from todayโs conservative and business-like market โ part of the point that Banksy is making at Barbican โ yet a taste for edgier, outsider art is creeping in. Hot-ticket contemporary artists such as JR and Sterling Ruby are relentlessly urban. (JR, who has just pasted a huge photo of a young boy on the US-Mexico border, started out as a graffiti artist in Paris.) Then of course there is Basquiat, who came to the art worldโs attention through his graffiti collective SAMOยฉ at the end of the 1970s. Not only does Basquiat now have a major museum show in London, in May his 1982 โUntitledโ sold for a record $98m ($110.5m with fees), and so he overtook Andy Warhol as the priciest American artist to sell at auction. Perhaps the previous canon is shifting in line with a new taste. โIf one dead, drug-using, black man comes into the pantheon, it could begin to confer legitimacy elsewhere,โ Taylor says. by The Financial Times
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rosac
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by rosac on Sept 26, 2017 11:01:52 GMT 1, Maybe you could cpy paste for the users that dont have a subscription?
Maybe you could cpy paste for the users that dont have a subscription?
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by gd79 on Sept 26, 2017 11:12:28 GMT 1, 90% of prints will be worth more in a few years?!
Brave. I'd say 90% of prints bought a few years back would go for cost or less.
90% of prints will be worth more in a few years?!
Brave. I'd say 90% of prints bought a few years back would go for cost or less.
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by yobaby on Sept 26, 2017 11:34:35 GMT 1, 90% of prints will be worth more in a few years?! Brave. I'd say 90% of prints bought a few years back would go for cost or less.
Will be interesting to see either way
90% of prints will be worth more in a few years?! Brave. I'd say 90% of prints bought a few years back would go for cost or less. Will be interesting to see either way
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by tran16 on Sept 26, 2017 11:34:47 GMT 1, Brave. I'd say 90% of prints bought a few years back would go for cost or less. agree
Brave. I'd say 90% of prints bought a few years back would go for cost or less. agree
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Viking Surfer
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by Viking Surfer on Sept 26, 2017 11:43:06 GMT 1, In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value.
You can just about count them on one hand.
In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value.
You can just about count them on one hand.
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caruso
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by caruso on Sept 26, 2017 12:11:33 GMT 1, Who would that be in your option?
In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand.
Who would that be in your option? In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand.
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Matt
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by Matt on Sept 26, 2017 12:52:19 GMT 1, Who would that be in your option? Has been debated at length on here.
Most people just list the artists they like and collect today, a mix of in wishful thinking and lack of intellectual effort.
The reality is that it is easy to say today who are the ones that are likely to be remembered. Just look at the auctions, the press coverage, the shows in galleries and museums, the collector footprint, etc... and you have your obvious handful of candidates.
Ex-post though, as it has already been the case, it could be a completely different bunch of artists who are considered cream of the crop 20 years down the line, but projecting that is completely pointless
Who would that be in your option? Has been debated at length on here. Most people just list the artists they like and collect today, a mix of in wishful thinking and lack of intellectual effort. The reality is that it is easy to say today who are the ones that are likely to be remembered. Just look at the auctions, the press coverage, the shows in galleries and museums, the collector footprint, etc... and you have your obvious handful of candidates. Ex-post though, as it has already been the case, it could be a completely different bunch of artists who are considered cream of the crop 20 years down the line, but projecting that is completely pointless
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by mose on Sept 26, 2017 13:32:23 GMT 1, Social media has been a game changer. โYou could say Instagram made this market,โ Ziegler says.
I would have to disagree with this comment as well as the '90% will go up in value'.
Social media has been a game changer. โYou could say Instagram made this market,โ Ziegler says.
I would have to disagree with this comment as well as the '90% will go up in value'.
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caruso
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by caruso on Sept 26, 2017 14:39:02 GMT 1, I agree with your analysis, however it is also true that things are slowly changing due to social media and increasing purchasing power in highly populated countries like China, which started investing heavily in art - although for the time being mostly traditional, they will come to modern/urban very soon I believe. That's why collecting the artists you like is always a good idea - you will still like the pieces you buy a few years down the line - unless of course you are in art only for the profit like so many on this forum.
I agree with your analysis, however it is also true that things are slowly changing due to social media and increasing purchasing power in highly populated countries like China, which started investing heavily in art - although for the time being mostly traditional, they will come to modern/urban very soon I believe. That's why collecting the artists you like is always a good idea - you will still like the pieces you buy a few years down the line - unless of course you are in art only for the profit like so many on this forum.
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by sfnyc on Sept 26, 2017 18:20:27 GMT 1, In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least
In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least
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Dexter Bulldog
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by Dexter Bulldog on Sept 26, 2017 18:23:44 GMT 1, In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least what is so hysterical, you think its LESS than a handful?
In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least what is so hysterical, you think its LESS than a handful?
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:39:58 GMT 1, In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least
I'm also a little confused. I was always told jokes weren't funny if you had to explain them. Care to elaborate?
In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least I'm also a little confused. I was always told jokes weren't funny if you had to explain them. Care to elaborate?
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by Coach on Sept 26, 2017 18:52:04 GMT 1, In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least
I tend to agree with Viking Surfer I'm not entirely sure what is so funny either. Could you elaborate?
In 20 years time, I believe only a handful of street artists will hold any value. You can just about count them on one hand. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (x10000000000). Your comment will me make laugh for the next 50 years at least I tend to agree with Viking SurferI'm not entirely sure what is so funny either. Could you elaborate?
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gd79
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by gd79 on Sept 26, 2017 19:27:26 GMT 1, For sure. Didn't think there was much of a joke there! As long as it's quite a big hand!
For sure. Didn't think there was much of a joke there! As long as it's quite a big hand!
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racket
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by racket on Sept 26, 2017 19:30:26 GMT 1, So they think it's way more than a handful or way less. Please expand sfnyc.
So they think it's way more than a handful or way less. Please expand sfnyc.
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Dexter Bulldog
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by Dexter Bulldog on Sept 26, 2017 20:30:31 GMT 1, So they think it's way more than a handful or way less. Please expand sfnyc.
ok we all agree, no one can see whats so funny.
in their eyes it was either hilarious because he thinks its just the single obvious artist (which sure, but not really that funny a joke) or theres going to be so many that in 20 years all those martin whatson and jerkface and john doe prints will be worth millions.
So they think it's way more than a handful or way less. Please expand sfnyc. ok we all agree, no one can see whats so funny. in their eyes it was either hilarious because he thinks its just the single obvious artist (which sure, but not really that funny a joke) or theres going to be so many that in 20 years all those martin whatson and jerkface and john doe prints will be worth millions.
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by gd79 on Sept 26, 2017 20:38:58 GMT 1, Alec Monopoly will sell for more than Chagall...
Alec Monopoly will sell for more than Chagall...
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chevyav53
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by chevyav53 on Sept 26, 2017 20:44:47 GMT 1, Alec Monopoly will sell for more than Chagall... This is a depressing thought, but I'm not a Alec fan.... not that your statement is wrong but are you comparing like for like Print for Print or Original for Original on scale and intricacy.
Alec Monopoly will sell for more than Chagall... This is a depressing thought, but I'm not a Alec fan.... not that your statement is wrong but are you comparing like for like Print for Print or Original for Original on scale and intricacy.
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gd79
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by gd79 on Sept 26, 2017 20:53:03 GMT 1, Was in jest, but thinking about it is rather depressing. Chagall prints, signed, from editions of 50+ tend to be in the 5-20k range. I have no idea what those fake art galleries would charge for an Alec M print, but it's not far away I'm sure.
However, originals are different stories of course. There are literally hundreds of prints made by Chagall, Rembrandt, Miro etc etc.
Was in jest, but thinking about it is rather depressing. Chagall prints, signed, from editions of 50+ tend to be in the 5-20k range. I have no idea what those fake art galleries would charge for an Alec M print, but it's not far away I'm sure.
However, originals are different stories of course. There are literally hundreds of prints made by Chagall, Rembrandt, Miro etc etc.
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Financial Times article about Urban Art / Banksy, by wrigs on Sept 26, 2017 21:29:11 GMT 1, Suspect it will be like the majority of the art market, lots of losers with the odd winner. I'm one of the uneducated so rather than guessing I'll stick with the stuff I like to look at on my wall... simples
Suspect it will be like the majority of the art market, lots of losers with the odd winner. I'm one of the uneducated so rather than guessing I'll stick with the stuff I like to look at on my wall... simples
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