Argiebaji
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Tagging organs!, by Argiebaji on Jan 12, 2018 21:08:47 GMT 1, Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far??
Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far??
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.dappy
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Tagging organs!, by .dappy on Jan 12, 2018 21:18:02 GMT 1, ... apparently it is not too uncommon ... the initials normally disappear after a little while, but this surgeon got caught as the liver did not quite recover ... and they had to go in again ... a different surgeon this time
... apparently it is not too uncommon ... the initials normally disappear after a little while, but this surgeon got caught as the liver did not quite recover ... and they had to go in again ... a different surgeon this time
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Tagging organs!, by .dappy on Jan 12, 2018 21:18:59 GMT 1, ... no harm was done with the tagging of the livers ...
... no harm was done with the tagging of the livers ...
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sonmi451
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Tagging organs!, by sonmi451 on Jan 12, 2018 21:19:15 GMT 1, waiting for Martin Whatson joke here
waiting for Martin Whatson joke here
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Tagging organs!, by Coach on Jan 12, 2018 21:21:40 GMT 1, Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far??
It was in the news a while ago; but again today as the surgeon was sentenced today. Very odd thing to do. I expect that it has ended his career. I know one patient said she felt her body had been invaded (or something similar). Another said she didn’t mind, and was thankful that the surgeon had saved her life. I like to think that I would feel like the latter, but cannot say for sure.
Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far?? It was in the news a while ago; but again today as the surgeon was sentenced today. Very odd thing to do. I expect that it has ended his career. I know one patient said she felt her body had been invaded (or something similar). Another said she didn’t mind, and was thankful that the surgeon had saved her life. I like to think that I would feel like the latter, but cannot say for sure. |
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settingson
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Tagging organs!, by settingson on Jan 12, 2018 21:31:28 GMT 1, It's odd because on here it's more desired with a signature!
Joking apart it's a bit strange but tbh if it was me I would just be happy to have received the transplant and not really too concerned as I doubt he would have done it if it influenced the success rate of the procedure.
It's odd because on here it's more desired with a signature!
Joking apart it's a bit strange but tbh if it was me I would just be happy to have received the transplant and not really too concerned as I doubt he would have done it if it influenced the success rate of the procedure.
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Tagging organs!, by iamzero on Jan 12, 2018 21:55:47 GMT 1, You tell someone you’ve been violated and have hurt feelings and cop £10k... even if the surgeon saved your life. Shocking.
You tell someone you’ve been violated and have hurt feelings and cop £10k... even if the surgeon saved your life. Shocking.
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Argiebaji
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Tagging organs!, by Argiebaji on Jan 12, 2018 21:58:53 GMT 1, I'm with you coach.
I'd hope I'd just be happy that my transplant worked!
As long as he didn't stencil an arsenal badge on my organs I reckon I could live with it!
I'm with you coach.
I'd hope I'd just be happy that my transplant worked!
As long as he didn't stencil an arsenal badge on my organs I reckon I could live with it!
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deltaboy
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Tagging organs!, by deltaboy on Jan 12, 2018 23:32:45 GMT 1, Yes agree, I'd just be happy that I was alive, and that the donor and surgeon were in place to save my wretched soul. They would advertise Coke-a-Cola in there if they wanted...
Yes agree, I'd just be happy that I was alive, and that the donor and surgeon were in place to save my wretched soul. They would advertise Coke-a-Cola in there if they wanted...
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Hairbland
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Tagging organs!, by Hairbland on Jan 12, 2018 23:57:38 GMT 1, waiting for Martin Whatson joke here
That's why I'm here!
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sonmi451
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Tagging organs!, by sonmi451 on Jan 13, 2018 0:21:16 GMT 1, waiting for Martin Whatson joke here That's why I'm here!
To state the obvious, can someone photoshop some tags on a liver already?
waiting for Martin Whatson joke here That's why I'm here! To state the obvious, can someone photoshop some tags on a liver already? |
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racket
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Tagging organs!, by racket on Jan 13, 2018 11:16:03 GMT 1, Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far?? It was in the news a while ago; but again today as the surgeon was sentenced today. Very odd thing to do. I expect that it has ended his career. I know one patient said she felt her body had been invaded (or something similar). Another said she didn’t mind, and was thankful that the surgeon had saved her life. I like to think that I would feel like the latter, but cannot say for sure.
He's moved to work in herefordshire now after a 10k fine and some sort of community service
Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far?? It was in the news a while ago; but again today as the surgeon was sentenced today. Very odd thing to do. I expect that it has ended his career. I know one patient said she felt her body had been invaded (or something similar). Another said she didn’t mind, and was thankful that the surgeon had saved her life. I like to think that I would feel like the latter, but cannot say for sure. He's moved to work in herefordshire now after a 10k fine and some sort of community service |
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 11:34:48 GMT 1, A friend of mine knew Simon Bramhall due to problems with his liver.
He said that whilst he didn't do his operation he was a brilliant surgeon and person and it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest had his liver been "tagged" by Dr Bramhall.
A friend of mine knew Simon Bramhall due to problems with his liver.
He said that whilst he didn't do his operation he was a brilliant surgeon and person and it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest had his liver been "tagged" by Dr Bramhall.
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Dive Jedi
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Tagging organs!, by Dive Jedi on Jan 13, 2018 11:45:57 GMT 1, Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far?? It was in the news a while ago; but again today as the surgeon was sentenced today. Very odd thing to do. I expect that it has ended his career. I know one patient said she felt her body had been invaded (or something similar). Another said she didn’t mind, and was thankful that the surgeon had saved her life. I like to think that I would feel like the latter, but cannot say for sure.
Which will result in them going back to the hospital to have their liver removed and put on eBay for 250K after ordering a new one for 10K from Bangladesh.....
Okay, photoshopping MW liver next.
Anyone else hear that news story today where the surgeon has been prosecuted for tagging his initials on the livers of his patients! Going too far?? It was in the news a while ago; but again today as the surgeon was sentenced today. Very odd thing to do. I expect that it has ended his career. I know one patient said she felt her body had been invaded (or something similar). Another said she didn’t mind, and was thankful that the surgeon had saved her life. I like to think that I would feel like the latter, but cannot say for sure. Until of course it turns out that Dr. B in fact is Bansky. Which will result in them going back to the hospital to have their liver removed and put on eBay for 250K after ordering a new one for 10K from Bangladesh..... Okay, photoshopping MW liver next. |
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Dive Jedi
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Tagging organs!, by Dive Jedi on Jan 13, 2018 12:14:12 GMT 1, waiting for Martin Whatson joke here That's why I'm here!
I had to run down to the basement to make a pic.
Surely you didn't see this coming, but I actually have an organ tagged by Martin.
waiting for Martin Whatson joke here That's why I'm here! Sorry, it took a while. I had to run down to the basement to make a pic. Surely you didn't see this coming, but I actually have an organ tagged by Martin. |
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 12:44:19 GMT 1, ... no harm was done with the tagging of the livers ...
... no harm was done with the tagging of the livers ... I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault. |
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 12:47:41 GMT 1, It's odd because on here it's more desired with a signature! Joking apart it's a bit strange but tbh if it was me I would just be happy to have received the transplant and not really too concerned as I doubt he would have done it if it influenced the success rate of the procedure.
It's odd because on here it's more desired with a signature! Joking apart it's a bit strange but tbh if it was me I would just be happy to have received the transplant and not really too concerned as I doubt he would have done it if it influenced the success rate of the procedure. You should be concerned. If he will damage your liver for no reason imagine what else he would consider doing; lying to cover mistakes, fraud in the private sector, late for appointments/work. In my experience these things go hand-in-hand and those who become surgeons tend to be a bit like bankers in their arrogance and self importance. |
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Tagging organs!, by Eton Groover on Jan 13, 2018 12:49:16 GMT 1, It's odd because on here it's more desired with a signature! Joking apart it's a bit strange but tbh if it was me I would just be happy to have received the transplant and not really too concerned as I doubt he would have done it if it influenced the success rate of the procedure. You should be concerned. If he will damage your liver for no reason imagine what else he would consider doing; lying to cover mistakes, fraud in the private sector, late for appointments/work. In my experience these things go hand-in-hand and those who become surgeons tend to be a bit like bankers in their arrogance and self importance.
It was accepted that this is a totally harmless procedure and will result in no damage st all. That’s why he wasn’t struck off. Arrogant possibly. I would like to think I would feel it was cool if it was me but it cannot be allowed in a professional hospital environment. If asked I would have said “no problem, tag away”
It's odd because on here it's more desired with a signature! Joking apart it's a bit strange but tbh if it was me I would just be happy to have received the transplant and not really too concerned as I doubt he would have done it if it influenced the success rate of the procedure. You should be concerned. If he will damage your liver for no reason imagine what else he would consider doing; lying to cover mistakes, fraud in the private sector, late for appointments/work. In my experience these things go hand-in-hand and those who become surgeons tend to be a bit like bankers in their arrogance and self importance. It was accepted that this is a totally harmless procedure and will result in no damage st all. That’s why he wasn’t struck off. Arrogant possibly. I would like to think I would feel it was cool if it was me but it cannot be allowed in a professional hospital environment. If asked I would have said “no problem, tag away” |
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 12:51:19 GMT 1, A friend of mine knew Simon Bramhall due to problems with his liver. He said that whilst he didn't do his operation he was a brilliant surgeon and person and it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest had his liver been "tagged" by Dr Bramhall.
How does the patient know the surgeon is 'brilliant' by the way? Single subjective perspective - the figures about surgeon success are obscured by layers of figures and paperwork in the UK. Smoke and fire spring to mind with this case. Just look at that breast surgeon currently in prison for 20 years!
A friend of mine knew Simon Bramhall due to problems with his liver. He said that whilst he didn't do his operation he was a brilliant surgeon and person and it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest had his liver been "tagged" by Dr Bramhall. A patient would say that as they are relieved to be alive. There are thousands of other 'brilliant' surgeons that could have performed the operation without assaulting the patient in the meantime. How does the patient know the surgeon is 'brilliant' by the way? Single subjective perspective - the figures about surgeon success are obscured by layers of figures and paperwork in the UK. Smoke and fire spring to mind with this case. Just look at that breast surgeon currently in prison for 20 years! |
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Tagging organs!, by Masong on Jan 13, 2018 12:52:47 GMT 1, Sorry, it took a while. I had to run down to the basement to make a pic. Surely you didn't see this coming, but I actually have an organ tagged by Martin.
Dive Jedi! that is first class 👍🏼 From the recent Graffiti prints vault sale
Sorry, it took a while. I had to run down to the basement to make a pic. Surely you didn't see this coming, but I actually have an organ tagged by Martin. Dive Jedi! that is first class 👍🏼 From the recent Graffiti prints vault sale |
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 12:52:59 GMT 1, You should be concerned. If he will damage your liver for no reason imagine what else he would consider doing; lying to cover mistakes, fraud in the private sector, late for appointments/work. In my experience these things go hand-in-hand and those who become surgeons tend to be a bit like bankers in their arrogance and self importance. It was accepted that this is a totally harmless procedure and will result in no damage st all. That’s why he wasn’t struck off. Arrogant possibly. I would like to think I would feel it was cool if it was me but it cannot be allowed in a professional hospital environment. If asked I would have said no problem.
Unfortunately a committee of people with knowledge would have found differently to what has been communicated to you through the media.
You should be concerned. If he will damage your liver for no reason imagine what else he would consider doing; lying to cover mistakes, fraud in the private sector, late for appointments/work. In my experience these things go hand-in-hand and those who become surgeons tend to be a bit like bankers in their arrogance and self importance. It was accepted that this is a totally harmless procedure and will result in no damage st all. That’s why he wasn’t struck off. Arrogant possibly. I would like to think I would feel it was cool if it was me but it cannot be allowed in a professional hospital environment. If asked I would have said no problem. Deemed harmless by whom you need to ask? An ethics committee? Other surgeons? The GMC? Unfortunately a committee of people with knowledge would have found differently to what has been communicated to you through the media. |
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 12:54:56 GMT 1, I hope this surgeon is struck off, as it’s a gross breach of trust and goes against the Hippocratic oath. What a waste of this guy’s career if he is fired. Branding a patient is disgusting.
I hope this surgeon is struck off, as it’s a gross breach of trust and goes against the Hippocratic oath. What a waste of this guy’s career if he is fired. Branding a patient is disgusting.
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Tagging organs!, by tedtheodorelogan on Jan 13, 2018 12:54:58 GMT 1, f the police it's art!
f the police it's art!
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 12:56:04 GMT 1, I hope this surgeon is struck off, as it’s a gross breach of trust and goes against the Hippocratic oath. What a waste of this guy’s career, but I have no sympathy if he is finished.
I hope this surgeon is struck off, as it’s a gross breach of trust and goes against the Hippocratic oath. What a waste of this guy’s career, but I have no sympathy if he is finished. Totally agree, although there is no such thing as a hippocratic oath by the way. |
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 12:58:58 GMT 1, I hope this surgeon is struck off, as it’s a gross breach of trust and goes against the Hippocratic oath. What a waste of this guy’s career, but I have no sympathy if he is finished. Totally agree, although there is no such thing as a hippocratic oath by the way.
Really? I thought it’s pretty standard there’s an oath taken (although different variants) at graduation.
I hope this surgeon is struck off, as it’s a gross breach of trust and goes against the Hippocratic oath. What a waste of this guy’s career, but I have no sympathy if he is finished. Totally agree, although there is no such thing as a hippocratic oath by the way. Really? I thought it’s pretty standard there’s an oath taken (although different variants) at graduation. |
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 13:00:35 GMT 1, Totally agree, although there is no such thing as a hippocratic oath by the way. Really? I thought it’s pretty standard there’s an oath taken (although different variants) at graduation.
Totally agree, although there is no such thing as a hippocratic oath by the way. Really? I thought it’s pretty standard there’s an oath taken (although different variants) at graduation. Nope a commonly held myth. No hippocratic oath for hundreds of years. |
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:07:37 GMT 1, Really? I thought it’s pretty standard there’s an oath taken (although different variants) at graduation. Nope a commonly held myth. No hippocratic oath for hundreds of years.
Wondering if you’re a clinician, as although I’m not, it was on the syllabus of the global health masters I did, and is still in existence. Just taken a quick look and a broadly accepted version was updated about 20 years ago by the WHO. While, physcians may not literally ‘take it’ it’s still a universal ethical code.
Really? I thought it’s pretty standard there’s an oath taken (although different variants) at graduation. Nope a commonly held myth. No hippocratic oath for hundreds of years. Wondering if you’re a clinician, as although I’m not, it was on the syllabus of the global health masters I did, and is still in existence. Just taken a quick look and a broadly accepted version was updated about 20 years ago by the WHO. While, physcians may not literally ‘take it’ it’s still a universal ethical code. |
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Tagging organs!, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 13, 2018 13:20:38 GMT 1, I’m shocked people are okay with this.
I’m shocked people are okay with this.
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Tagging organs!, by Pysgod on Jan 13, 2018 13:29:46 GMT 1, I’m shocked people are okay with this. 
I’m shocked people are okay with this. I'd rather a proud cocky surgeon tag me after a successful op than find some sloppy surgeon had left the forceps or some other tool inside me ! which you hear a hell of a lot happening |
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:11:14 GMT 1, Sorry, it took a while. I had to run down to the basement to make a pic. Surely you didn't see this coming, but I actually have an organ tagged by Martin. Dive Jedi! that is first class 👍🏼 From the recent Graffiti prints vault sale
He used the backdoor link to get it tho.
Sorry, it took a while. I had to run down to the basement to make a pic. Surely you didn't see this coming, but I actually have an organ tagged by Martin. Dive Jedi! that is first class 👍🏼 From the recent Graffiti prints vault sale He used the backdoor link to get it tho. |
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