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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 14:27:13 GMT 1, Nope a commonly held myth. No hippocratic oath for hundreds of years. Wondering if youโre a clinician, as although Iโm not, it was on the syllabus of the global health masters I did, and is still in existence. Just taken a quick look and a broadly accepted version was updated about 20 years ago by the WHO. While, physcians may not literally โtake itโ itโs still a universal ethical code. Yep, unfortunately that is my job and no its not a universal accepted code. UK dr's follow the GMC's code of practice.
Nope a commonly held myth. No hippocratic oath for hundreds of years. Wondering if youโre a clinician, as although Iโm not, it was on the syllabus of the global health masters I did, and is still in existence. Just taken a quick look and a broadly accepted version was updated about 20 years ago by the WHO. While, physcians may not literally โtake itโ itโs still a universal ethical code. Yep, unfortunately that is my job and no its not a universal accepted code. UK dr's follow the GMC's code of practice.
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 14:28:35 GMT 1, Iโm shocked people are okay with this. I'd rather a proud cocky surgeon tag me after a successful op than find some sloppy surgeon had left the forceps or some other tool inside me ! which you hear a hell of a lot happening So essentially you think intentional harm is better than an unintentional accident!
Iโm shocked people are okay with this. I'd rather a proud cocky surgeon tag me after a successful op than find some sloppy surgeon had left the forceps or some other tool inside me ! which you hear a hell of a lot happening So essentially you think intentional harm is better than an unintentional accident!
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Tagging organs!, by racket on Jan 13, 2018 14:29:14 GMT 1, ... no harm was done with the tagging of the livers ... I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault.
Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the fuck you want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits.
... no harm was done with the tagging of the livers ... I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault. Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the fuck you want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits.
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 14:31:54 GMT 1, I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault. Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the f**kyou want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits. I still cannot fathom why the GMC has not banned this man. Dire straits or not the public deserve honesty and integrity in the medical profession in every way.
I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault. Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the f**kyou want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits. I still cannot fathom why the GMC has not banned this man. Dire straits or not the public deserve honesty and integrity in the medical profession in every way.
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Tagging organs!, by racket on Jan 13, 2018 14:35:29 GMT 1, Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the f**kyou want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits. I still cannot fathom why the GMC has not banned this man. Dire straits or not the public deserve honesty and integrity in the medical profession in every way.ย
Agree. It was classed as 'assault'. 10k fine is a drop in the ocean for him too.
Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the f**kyou want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits. I still cannot fathom why the GMC has not banned this man. Dire straits or not the public deserve honesty and integrity in the medical profession in every way.ย Agree. It was classed as 'assault'. 10k fine is a drop in the ocean for him too.
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:36:34 GMT 1, Wondering if youโre a clinician, as although Iโm not, it was on the syllabus of the global health masters I did, and is still in existence. Just taken a quick look and a broadly accepted version was updated about 20 years ago by the WHO. While, physcians may not literally โtake itโ itโs still a universal ethical code. Yep, unfortunately that is my job and no its not a universal accepted code. UK dr's follow the GMC's code of practice. Perhaps your college didnโt bother? Interesting read here about its modern day relevance and as you mention the GMC code. careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Is_the_Hippocratic_oath_still_relevant_to_practising_doctors_today%3F
Anyway as an NHS manager, I have a rule that I only have differences of opinions with clinicians in work hours :-).
Wondering if youโre a clinician, as although Iโm not, it was on the syllabus of the global health masters I did, and is still in existence. Just taken a quick look and a broadly accepted version was updated about 20 years ago by the WHO. While, physcians may not literally โtake itโ itโs still a universal ethical code. Yep, unfortunately that is my job and no its not a universal accepted code. UK dr's follow the GMC's code of practice. Perhaps your college didnโt bother? Interesting read here about its modern day relevance and as you mention the GMC code. careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Is_the_Hippocratic_oath_still_relevant_to_practising_doctors_today%3FAnyway as an NHS manager, I have a rule that I only have differences of opinions with clinicians in work hours :-).
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Tagging organs!, by Pysgod on Jan 13, 2018 14:36:58 GMT 1, I'd rather a proud cocky surgeon tag me after a successful op than find some sloppy surgeon had left the forceps or some other tool inside me ! which you hear a hell of a lot happening So essentially you think intentional harm is better than an unintentional accident! if it was harmful he wouldn't have done it, its wrong but worse things are happening
I'd rather a proud cocky surgeon tag me after a successful op than find some sloppy surgeon had left the forceps or some other tool inside me ! which you hear a hell of a lot happening So essentially you think intentional harm is better than an unintentional accident! if it was harmful he wouldn't have done it, its wrong but worse things are happening
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 14:39:12 GMT 1, lol yes, a good rule to have. I teach in a few med schools and work with clinicians from every medical school and not one has a 'hippocratic oath'/altered oath.
lol yes, a good rule to have. I teach in a few med schools and work with clinicians from every medical school and not one has a 'hippocratic oath'/altered oath.
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 14:41:44 GMT 1, So essentially you think intentional harm is better than an unintentional accident! if it was harmful he wouldn't have done it, its wrong but worse things are happening A very naive statement. Unfortunately there are many examples of doctors harming patients. (Although the great majority are superb). This is but one other example of intentional harmful practice. PM me if you want me to explain in more detail.
So essentially you think intentional harm is better than an unintentional accident! if it was harmful he wouldn't have done it, its wrong but worse things are happening A very naive statement. Unfortunately there are many examples of doctors harming patients. (Although the great majority are superb). This is but one other example of intentional harmful practice. PM me if you want me to explain in more detail.
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 16:38:22 GMT 1, A friend of mine knew Simon Bramhall due to problems with his liver. He said that whilst he didn't do his operation he was a brilliant surgeon and person and it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest had his liver been "tagged" by Dr Bramhall. A patient would say that as they are relieved to be alive. There are thousands of other 'brilliant' surgeons that could have performed the operation without assaulting the patient in the meantime.ย How does the patient know the surgeon is 'brilliant' by the way? Single subjective perspective - the figures about surgeon success are obscured by layers of figures and paperwork in the UK. Smoke and fire spring to mind with this case. Just look at that breast surgeon currently in prison for 20 years!
You would have to ask my friend why his opinion is that he was a brilliant surgeon.
Not defending him just offered up my friend's opinion
A friend of mine knew Simon Bramhall due to problems with his liver. He said that whilst he didn't do his operation he was a brilliant surgeon and person and it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest had his liver been "tagged" by Dr Bramhall. A patient would say that as they are relieved to be alive. There are thousands of other 'brilliant' surgeons that could have performed the operation without assaulting the patient in the meantime.ย How does the patient know the surgeon is 'brilliant' by the way? Single subjective perspective - the figures about surgeon success are obscured by layers of figures and paperwork in the UK. Smoke and fire spring to mind with this case. Just look at that breast surgeon currently in prison for 20 years! You would have to ask my friend why his opinion is that he was a brilliant surgeon. Not defending him just offered up my friend's opinion
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 13, 2018 18:15:02 GMT 1, A patient would say that as they are relieved to be alive. There are thousands of other 'brilliant' surgeons that could have performed the operation without assaulting the patient in the meantime. How does the patient know the surgeon is 'brilliant' by the way? Single subjective perspective - the figures about surgeon success are obscured by layers of figures and paperwork in the UK. Smoke and fire spring to mind with this case. Just look at that breast surgeon currently in prison for 20 years! You would have to ask my friend why his opinion is that he was a brilliant surgeon. Not defending him just offered up my friend's opinion No sure, I wasn't being critical of you. I totally understand why he thinks like that.
A patient would say that as they are relieved to be alive. There are thousands of other 'brilliant' surgeons that could have performed the operation without assaulting the patient in the meantime. How does the patient know the surgeon is 'brilliant' by the way? Single subjective perspective - the figures about surgeon success are obscured by layers of figures and paperwork in the UK. Smoke and fire spring to mind with this case. Just look at that breast surgeon currently in prison for 20 years! You would have to ask my friend why his opinion is that he was a brilliant surgeon. Not defending him just offered up my friend's opinion No sure, I wasn't being critical of you. I totally understand why he thinks like that.
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Tagging organs!, by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:04:06 GMT 1, You would have to ask my friend why his opinion is that he was a brilliant surgeon. Not defending him just offered up my friend's opinion No sure, I wasn't being critical of you. I totally understand why he thinks like that.
Sorry for the sharp retort, bad afternoon.
You would have to ask my friend why his opinion is that he was a brilliant surgeon. Not defending him just offered up my friend's opinion No sure, I wasn't being critical of you. I totally understand why he thinks like that. Sorry for the sharp retort, bad afternoon.
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Tagging organs!, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 15, 2018 14:06:48 GMT 1, No sure, I wasn't being critical of you. I totally understand why he thinks like that. Sorry for the sharp retort, bad afternoon. No worries dude.
No sure, I wasn't being critical of you. I totally understand why he thinks like that. Sorry for the sharp retort, bad afternoon. No worries dude.
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Tagging organs!, by searchandrescue on Jan 16, 2018 18:49:45 GMT 1, did he offer it was a work of art as a defence...if so I'd like to hear that being argued
did he offer it was a work of art as a defence...if so I'd like to hear that being argued
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Tagging organs!, by moron on Jan 17, 2018 20:22:42 GMT 1, I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault. Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the f**kyou want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits. I agree but there again the medical profession looks after it's own.
I totally disagree. This was inappropriate injury to an organ due to extreme arrogance. It could easily of resulted in significant harm. This surgeon is a disgrace and should have been struck off immediately, I highly doubt that the remainder of the theatre staff were ignorant of this abuse and should also be reprimanded. If I was the patient involved I would sue him immediately for assault. Agree. Being a great surgeon and doing the job that you're paid vast sums of money for, doesn't give you the right to do what the f**kyou want while you place your trust in the hands of someone else, while anaesthetised. The patient didn't consent to being 'tagged'. Glad he got found out, should have been struck off for breaking basic ethical code of conduct, had the NHS not being in such dire straits. I agree but there again the medical profession looks after it's own.
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