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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by micro on Feb 17, 2018 15:59:54 GMT 1, Anyone with (very) deep pockets?
There's a Balloon Girl canvas 50x50cm coming up for auction at Bonhams Post War and Contemporary Art Auction on 7 March 2018. Signed in stencil on the turnover edge; numbered 17/25 on the stretcher; with Pest Control.
The estimate is 150-200k GBP which I think is way too conservative in the current market taking into account that signed GWRB prints go for more than 100K.
Link: www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Anyone with (very) deep pockets? There's a Balloon Girl canvas 50x50cm coming up for auction at Bonhams Post War and Contemporary Art Auction on 7 March 2018. Signed in stencil on the turnover edge; numbered 17/25 on the stretcher; with Pest Control. The estimate is 150-200k GBP which I think is way too conservative in the current market taking into account that signed GWRB prints go for more than 100K. Link: www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/ |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Pattycakes on Feb 17, 2018 17:53:31 GMT 1, Seems to me pitched at a come buy me price, I can see this hitting ยฃ250k on a good day.
Seems to me pitched at a come buy me price, I can see this hitting ยฃ250k on a good day.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by diarmid on Feb 17, 2018 18:57:23 GMT 1, 300k to 500k
300k to 500k
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by jB on Feb 17, 2018 22:26:31 GMT 1, Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP?
Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 22:34:05 GMT 1, Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP?
Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily
Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by jB on Feb 17, 2018 22:49:05 GMT 1, Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily
Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such.... |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 22:52:15 GMT 1, Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such....
Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night.
Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such.... Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night. |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Feb 17, 2018 23:14:44 GMT 1, Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such.... Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night.
Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such.... Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night. 500 gbp sounds a bit much at this point but i could well be wrong. The most recent whisper on secondary that I heard was nearly $400 for a 40cm/16in sq ed 25 version. Keep in mind this is Bonhams which has historically achieved prices for originals that favor buyers over sellers for this artist. I'd speculate 350 gbp would be a bit more realistic as an upper ceiling for now at that venue but we'll know soon enough. Eye popping pricing either way. |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:22:29 GMT 1, Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night. 500 gbp sounds a bit much at this point but i could well be wrong.ย Last one i know of on secondary went for $400k which was a 40cm/16in sq ed 25 version.ย Keep in mind this is Bonhams which has historically achieved prices for originals that favor buyers over sellers for this artist.ย I'd speculate 350 gbp would be a bit more realistic as an upper ceiling at this point but we'll know soon enough.ย
Very true with bonhams, when i say 500+ is possible im inc fees, what someones willing to pay, things have moved on dramatically with iconic early stencils, a 30x30cm single sold for ยฃ290, i would expect a canvas with the same image 3x size to clear 400+ with fees although it is auction and bonhams so time will tell. It wouldnt surprise me at all if 500+ all in was paid.
Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night. 500 gbp sounds a bit much at this point but i could well be wrong.ย Last one i know of on secondary went for $400k which was a 40cm/16in sq ed 25 version.ย Keep in mind this is Bonhams which has historically achieved prices for originals that favor buyers over sellers for this artist.ย I'd speculate 350 gbp would be a bit more realistic as an upper ceiling at this point but we'll know soon enough.ย Very true with bonhams, when i say 500+ is possible im inc fees, what someones willing to pay, things have moved on dramatically with iconic early stencils, a 30x30cm single sold for ยฃ290, i would expect a canvas with the same image 3x size to clear 400+ with fees although it is auction and bonhams so time will tell. It wouldnt surprise me at all if 500+ all in was paid. |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:31:15 GMT 1, At 2 and bit gold or light pink ed88 screen prints its a no brainer, long term certainly.
At 2 and bit gold or light pink ed88 screen prints its a no brainer, long term certainly.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by illicey on Feb 18, 2018 1:45:29 GMT 1, It is a nice example from the edition being atypical in size. That being said I don't have any real accuracy in knowing the exact numbers and sizes that run through that edition of 25. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).
While we are there, could anyone confirm whether two different stencils were used though the single edition of 25 as the hair varies between some of the examples I have seen?
For what it is worth my prediction would be 250-350k. Giving myself a healthy spread and still likely to miss the board.
It is a nice example from the edition being atypical in size. That being said I don't have any real accuracy in knowing the exact numbers and sizes that run through that edition of 25. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).
While we are there, could anyone confirm whether two different stencils were used though the single edition of 25 as the hair varies between some of the examples I have seen?
For what it is worth my prediction would be 250-350k. Giving myself a healthy spread and still likely to miss the board.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Feb 18, 2018 2:26:58 GMT 1, >>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<<
Long time sir, hope you're well. I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
>>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<<
Long time sir, hope you're well. I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by illicey on Feb 18, 2018 2:49:14 GMT 1, Good to hear from you my man and I have been meaning to catch up (will do shortly anyhow). To the above I have always thought 40 and 50 and you have just jolted my common sense with the girl/balloon composition comment across a potential 30.
Good to hear from you my man and I have been meaning to catch up (will do shortly anyhow). To the above I have always thought 40 and 50 and you have just jolted my common sense with the girl/balloon composition comment across a potential 30.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 6:15:04 GMT 1, >>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<< Long time sir, hope you're well.ย I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
Actually youre right, its the dytch canvases which are 30x30cm each, the single ed25 are split between the 2 sizes mentioned, that ive seen, although given the odd random size of some canvas within editions i guess anythings possible, 500+ is suddenly looking lofty
>>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<< Long time sir, hope you're well.ย I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach. Actually youre right, its the dytch canvases which are 30x30cm each, the single ed25 are split between the 2 sizes mentioned, that ive seen, although given the odd random size of some canvas within editions i guess anythings possible, 500+ is suddenly looking lofty |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Pattycakes on Feb 18, 2018 12:05:52 GMT 1, I hadn't realised this was the larger format, I think ยฃ300-350 is about right.
I hadn't realised this was the larger format, I think ยฃ300-350 is about right.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Balboa on Feb 18, 2018 15:12:33 GMT 1, Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily
Donโt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was ยฃ8K 
Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donโt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was ยฃ8K |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:19:49 GMT 1, Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donโt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was ยฃ8K
Yeah one sold for ยฃ325k recently im afraid to say, hindsight...
Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donโt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was ยฃ8K Yeah one sold for ยฃ325k recently im afraid to say, hindsight... |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:43:56 GMT 1, Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donโt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was ยฃ8K
Just think how much you have saved on expensive art insurance ๐
Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donโt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was ยฃ8K Just think how much you have saved on expensive art insurance ๐ |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by supacpeon on Feb 19, 2018 11:29:22 GMT 1, Condition Report:
This work is in very good condition.
There are scattered specks of surface dirt throughout. There are 4 very small, faint lines of surface dirt near the lower right horizontal edge (the longest measuring approx. 1 cm in length); these are likely to be part of the artist's execution and do not affect the image.
All other irregularities are consistent with the artist's execution and choice of materials.
Examination under ultraviolet light reveals no sign of retouching.
Condition Report:
This work is in very good condition.
There are scattered specks of surface dirt throughout. There are 4 very small, faint lines of surface dirt near the lower right horizontal edge (the longest measuring approx. 1 cm in length); these are likely to be part of the artist's execution and do not affect the image.
All other irregularities are consistent with the artist's execution and choice of materials.
Examination under ultraviolet light reveals no sign of retouching.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 13:10:51 GMT 1, I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams.
I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:40:23 GMT 1, I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams.
I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong
I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams. I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 13:44:41 GMT 1, I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams. I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong
I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams. I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:48:02 GMT 1, I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in?
You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client.
I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client. |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by dkla on Feb 19, 2018 14:04:24 GMT 1, Is Bonhams considered a sub-par auction house? Iโm selling a Hirst print and had a choice between Christieโs, Sothebyโs and Bonhams and I was considering the latter because they had the best terms and most hands-on customer service between the three. (I also contacted Phillips but they never responded). Thanks
Is Bonhams considered a sub-par auction house? Iโm selling a Hirst print and had a choice between Christieโs, Sothebyโs and Bonhams and I was considering the latter because they had the best terms and most hands-on customer service between the three. (I also contacted Phillips but they never responded). Thanks
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 14:57:06 GMT 1, How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client.
How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client. I understand that 140K seems like small change to many these days and that Banksy is considered blue chip investment but i'm wondering how far people are prepared to go and keep on pushing prices. My feeling is the image is a stencil and famous but it's not very strong or good. Plus the bubble burst with Hirst spots and never recovered with people who invested looking at big losses. Is it that prestigious in reality to own for a quarter of a million quid or more? |
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by breezied on Feb 20, 2018 19:15:43 GMT 1, I think there are a fair few more of Hirst's Spots than these.
I think there are a fair few more of Hirst's Spots than these.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2018 19:24:09 GMT 1, bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was ยฃ280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less ยฃ375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the GWB owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today.
bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was ยฃ280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less ยฃ375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the GWB owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by covertshadowops on Mar 7, 2018 19:26:23 GMT 1, 350K all in, but plus artist resale rights too
350K all in, but plus artist resale rights too
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by covertshadowops on Mar 7, 2018 19:26:50 GMT 1, oh and VAT on premium if UK buyer.
oh and VAT on premium if UK buyer.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lv90210 on Mar 7, 2018 19:27:02 GMT 1, Buyer paid ยฃ350k all in approx, pretty solid.
Buyer paid ยฃ350k all in approx, pretty solid.
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