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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by paan on Mar 19, 2018 19:01:41 GMT 1, ?
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sugar72
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by sugar72 on Mar 19, 2018 19:13:05 GMT 1, Wrong thread. There is one under the Banksy artist thread for valuations
Wrong thread. There is one under the Banksy artist thread for valuations
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mash
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by mash on Mar 19, 2018 20:03:22 GMT 1, Not close enough to give advice on prices but I believe itโs the received wisdom to blur the numbers and not disclose these on open forum, you probably should consider doing that.
Not close enough to give advice on prices but I believe itโs the received wisdom to blur the numbers and not disclose these on open forum, you probably should consider doing that.
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by gmidd on Mar 19, 2018 21:15:26 GMT 1, Not close enough to give advice on prices but I believe itโs the received wisdom to blur the numbers and not disclose these on open forum, you probably should consider doing that.
Not close enough to give advice on prices but I believe itโs the received wisdom to blur the numbers and not disclose these on open forum, you probably should consider doing that. What's the reasoning behind blurring numbers? I know people do it all the time, but I don't really know why. I do know that some resellers do it so they don't get caught flipping prints by galleries that track numbers, but there has to be another reason since so many people do it. |
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Dive Jedi
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by Dive Jedi on Mar 19, 2018 21:34:33 GMT 1, Not close enough to give advice on prices but I believe itโs the received wisdom to blur the numbers and not disclose these on open forum, you probably should consider doing that. What's the reasoning behind blurring numbers? I know people do it all the time, but I don't really know why. I do know that some resellers do it so they don't get caught flipping prints by galleries that track numbers, but there has to be another reason since so many people do it.
Not close enough to give advice on prices but I believe itโs the received wisdom to blur the numbers and not disclose these on open forum, you probably should consider doing that. What's the reasoning behind blurring numbers? I know people do it all the time, but I don't really know why. I do know that some resellers do it so they don't get caught flipping prints by galleries that track numbers, but there has to be another reason since so many people do it. Mainly to prevent providing counterfeiters more then they need to know, I believe. |
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by avec art on Mar 19, 2018 21:35:13 GMT 1, If a scammer knows that a particular number is or even is out of circulation, they can organise their plans accordingly.
If a scammer knows that a particular number is or even is out of circulation, they can organise their plans accordingly.
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gmidd
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by gmidd on Mar 19, 2018 21:49:24 GMT 1, If a scammer knows that a particular number is or even is out of circulation, they can organise their plans accordingly.
Could someone technically take OPs pics and try and apply for a COA through PC if one already hasn't been assigned? Not sure what the application process entails, but I guess that's the only downside I could see.
Genuinely curious by the way, because I never blur the numbers in my pics. Although I don't have any Banksys or anything else that would be counterfeited, so it's not like it really matters.
If a scammer knows that a particular number is or even is out of circulation, they can organise their plans accordingly. What does having a number help them with though? If someone's going to sell a fake it's not like there's an easy way for the buyer to validate a particular number other than through PC in which case they'd need to be given the number by the seller anyway. Could someone technically take OPs pics and try and apply for a COA through PC if one already hasn't been assigned? Not sure what the application process entails, but I guess that's the only downside I could see. Genuinely curious by the way, because I never blur the numbers in my pics. Although I don't have any Banksys or anything else that would be counterfeited, so it's not like it really matters. |
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Lunch Special
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by Lunch Special on Mar 19, 2018 22:02:53 GMT 1, If a scammer knows that a particular number is or even is out of circulation, they can organise their plans accordingly. What does having a number help them with though? If someone's going to sell a fake it's not like there's an easy way for the buyer to validate a particular number other than through PC in which case they'd need to be given the number by the seller anyway. I believe that by giving the availability of the edition number that could allow a potential scammer to create a fake matching coa.
Could someone technically take OPs pics and try and apply for a COA through PC if one already hasn't been assigned? Not sure what the application process entails, but I guess that's the only downside I could see. There is a huge possiblity for someone to apply and or change ownership ( at least through PC as im not aware of other databases like such ) name or registration.
Genuinely curious by the way, because I never blur the numbers in my pics. Although I don't have any Banksys or anything else that would be counterfeited, so it's not like it really matters. Almost anything of value can fall victim to fraud. Art, Watches, jewelry, sneakers, toys, etc..
If a scammer knows that a particular number is or even is out of circulation, they can organise their plans accordingly. What does having a number help them with though? If someone's going to sell a fake it's not like there's an easy way for the buyer to validate a particular number other than through PC in which case they'd need to be given the number by the seller anyway. I believe that by giving the availability of the edition number that could allow a potential scammer to create a fake matching coa.
Could someone technically take OPs pics and try and apply for a COA through PC if one already hasn't been assigned? Not sure what the application process entails, but I guess that's the only downside I could see. There is a huge possiblity for someone to apply and or change ownership ( at least through PC as im not aware of other databases like such ) name or registration.
Genuinely curious by the way, because I never blur the numbers in my pics. Although I don't have any Banksys or anything else that would be counterfeited, so it's not like it really matters. Almost anything of value can fall victim to fraud. Art, Watches, jewelry, sneakers, toys, etc.. |
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by gmidd on Mar 19, 2018 22:33:47 GMT 1, What does having a number help them with though? If someone's going to sell a fake it's not like there's an easy way for the buyer to validate a particular number other than through PC in which case they'd need to be given the number by the seller anyway. I believe that by giving the availability of the edition number that could allow a potential scammer to create a fake matching coa
I suppose, but if they're going through the trouble of creating fake prints and fake COAs then they could really just put any number they want because it's not like the buyer can validate the number anyway.Could someone technically take OPs pics and try and apply for a COA through PC if one already hasn't been assigned? Not sure what the application process entails, but I guess that's the only downside I could see. There is a huge possiblity for someone to apply and or change ownership ( at least through PC as im not aware of other databases like such ) name or registration. I agree that this could be an issue depending on the process PC uses to validate the owner's info and print numbers. However, with prints by other artists who don't have such a database, then they could use any number from the edition because there's no way to validate a particular number.
As for other artists that do something similar to PC, I recently purchased a print by Maya Hayuk and she associates a name and address with each number on the COA. And the guys at Avante are using COAs tied to blockchain to track their prints.Genuinely curious by the way, because I never blur the numbers in my pics. Although I don't have any Banksys or anything else that would be counterfeited, so it's not like it really matters. Almost anything of value can fall victim to fraud. Art, Watches, jewelry, sneakers, toys, etc..I've had a bunch of KAWS toys over the years and, while a different situation since they're not a numbered edition, those have definitely become hard to sell due to bootlegs. Hell, Labiology/L.A.B. seemed to have turned bootlegging KAWS into an incredibly lucrative business while really causing a clusterf*ck in the secondary market. Luckily I kept all my receipts which definitely helped when I sold mine. Other than that, most of the stuff I own isn't valuable enough for someone to invest the time/money into faking or doesn't have broad enough appeal where they'd be able to sell enough without drawing attention to themselves to make their investment worthwhile. I have two young daughters which doesn't leave much money for nice watches, jewelry, and/or sneakers. 
What does having a number help them with though? If someone's going to sell a fake it's not like there's an easy way for the buyer to validate a particular number other than through PC in which case they'd need to be given the number by the seller anyway. I believe that by giving the availability of the edition number that could allow a potential scammer to create a fake matching coa
I suppose, but if they're going through the trouble of creating fake prints and fake COAs then they could really just put any number they want because it's not like the buyer can validate the number anyway.Could someone technically take OPs pics and try and apply for a COA through PC if one already hasn't been assigned? Not sure what the application process entails, but I guess that's the only downside I could see. There is a huge possiblity for someone to apply and or change ownership ( at least through PC as im not aware of other databases like such ) name or registration. I agree that this could be an issue depending on the process PC uses to validate the owner's info and print numbers. However, with prints by other artists who don't have such a database, then they could use any number from the edition because there's no way to validate a particular number.
As for other artists that do something similar to PC, I recently purchased a print by Maya Hayuk and she associates a name and address with each number on the COA. And the guys at Avante are using COAs tied to blockchain to track their prints.Genuinely curious by the way, because I never blur the numbers in my pics. Although I don't have any Banksys or anything else that would be counterfeited, so it's not like it really matters. Almost anything of value can fall victim to fraud. Art, Watches, jewelry, sneakers, toys, etc..I've had a bunch of KAWS toys over the years and, while a different situation since they're not a numbered edition, those have definitely become hard to sell due to bootlegs. Hell, Labiology/L.A.B. seemed to have turned bootlegging KAWS into an incredibly lucrative business while really causing a clusterf*ck in the secondary market. Luckily I kept all my receipts which definitely helped when I sold mine. Other than that, most of the stuff I own isn't valuable enough for someone to invest the time/money into faking or doesn't have broad enough appeal where they'd be able to sell enough without drawing attention to themselves to make their investment worthwhile. I have two young daughters which doesn't leave much money for nice watches, jewelry, and/or sneakers. |
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Lunch Special
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by Lunch Special on Mar 19, 2018 22:46:54 GMT 1, Now after reading your reply, I dont really understand why you commented / asked a question in the thread in the first place.
Now after reading your reply, I dont really understand why you commented / asked a question in the thread in the first place. |
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gmidd
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by gmidd on Mar 19, 2018 22:56:26 GMT 1, Now after reading your reply,ย I dont really understand why you commented / asked a question in the thread in the first place.ย ย
Really just curious as to why people choose to blur out the numbers is all. To me personally, it doesn't really seem like it does much to combat fraud. I guess it makes sense for Banksy, but I see people doing it for $50 prints/posters so I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.
And apologies to OP for derailing his thread. Just found the recommendation to blur his numbers interesting is all.
Now after reading your reply,ย I dont really understand why you commented / asked a question in the thread in the first place.ย ย Really just curious as to why people choose to blur out the numbers is all. To me personally, it doesn't really seem like it does much to combat fraud. I guess it makes sense for Banksy, but I see people doing it for $50 prints/posters so I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. And apologies to OP for derailing his thread. Just found the recommendation to blur his numbers interesting is all. |
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mash
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by mash on Mar 19, 2018 23:25:59 GMT 1, Now after reading your reply,ย I dont really understand why you commented / asked a question in the thread in the first place.ย ย Really just curious as to why people choose to blur out the numbers is all. To me personally, it doesn't really seem like it does much to combat fraud. I guess it makes sense for Banksy, but I see people doing it for $50 prints/posters so I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. And apologies to OP for derailing his thread. Just found the recommendation to blur his numbers interesting is all.
I think itโs in part this and in part the same reason why you wouldnโt necessarily put images of an original work on the forum. It burns it f itโs for sale and then didnโt didnโt sell and subsequently is put back on market.
Itโs the same in my industry (Property) bigger development owners wonโt let actual named info of properties for sale be bandied around as it creates the impression itโs hard to sell. May be part of that kind of psychology too.
Now after reading your reply,ย I dont really understand why you commented / asked a question in the thread in the first place.ย ย Really just curious as to why people choose to blur out the numbers is all. To me personally, it doesn't really seem like it does much to combat fraud. I guess it makes sense for Banksy, but I see people doing it for $50 prints/posters so I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. And apologies to OP for derailing his thread. Just found the recommendation to blur his numbers interesting is all. I think itโs in part this and in part the same reason why you wouldnโt necessarily put images of an original work on the forum. It burns it f itโs for sale and then didnโt didnโt sell and subsequently is put back on market. Itโs the same in my industry (Property) bigger development owners wonโt let actual named info of properties for sale be bandied around as it creates the impression itโs hard to sell. May be part of that kind of psychology too. |
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Prices on some old Banksy prints please, by denzil on Mar 20, 2018 5:25:48 GMT 1, Thought It was Ebay Flippers Who Started It as it was put around that POW would not Issue COA,s to Prints on Ebay Days after release ?
Thought It was Ebay Flippers Who Started It as it was put around that POW would not Issue COA,s to Prints on Ebay Days after release ?
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