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The price of cheese, by Deleted on May 2, 2018 21:10:57 GMT 1, You are a beautiful soul. Rule my world.
You are a beautiful soul. Rule my world.
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ca
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The price of cheese, by ca on May 2, 2018 21:13:21 GMT 1, miss those days, now everybody is asking blue chip prices for sh!tty giclees
miss those days, now everybody is asking blue chip prices for sh!tty giclees
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The price of cheese, by Coach on May 2, 2018 21:31:40 GMT 1, miss those days, now everybody is asking blue chip prices for sh!tty giclees
Not quite everybody. 8Mail’s prints were 20 quid each, and they were silkscreens. Extra tenner for the hand finished ones.
8mail.bigcartel.com/product/risist-upfest-print
(Complete and utter biase previously declared! ; )
miss those days, now everybody is asking blue chip prices for sh!tty giclees Not quite everybody. 8Mail’s prints were 20 quid each, and they were silkscreens. Extra tenner for the hand finished ones. 8mail.bigcartel.com/product/risist-upfest-print(Complete and utter biase previously declared! ; ) |
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The price of cheese, by Coach on May 2, 2018 21:33:34 GMT 1, Back in the day, before Martin Whatson The Telly Tonight invented graffiti, and before people started calling themselves Galleries simply because they sell posters they have had printed for them by a commercial print factory, there was a very good and fair-for-all rule of thumb that decided the price of a print. It was a simple equation: Divide the cost of the original work of art by the number in the edition. For an example, if the original work sold for £10,000 and the edition size was 100, the price per print would be set at £100. If the edition size was set at 50, each print would retail at £200. It was a very good system. RIP, very good system.
Very good post. There are still some very good galleries around though. And I found over the years that my passion moved away from prints and into originals. That’s the way to go.
Back in the day, before Martin Whatson The Telly Tonight invented graffiti, and before people started calling themselves Galleries simply because they sell posters they have had printed for them by a commercial print factory, there was a very good and fair-for-all rule of thumb that decided the price of a print. It was a simple equation: Divide the cost of the original work of art by the number in the edition. For an example, if the original work sold for £10,000 and the edition size was 100, the price per print would be set at £100. If the edition size was set at 50, each print would retail at £200. It was a very good system. RIP, very good system. Very good post. There are still some very good galleries around though. And I found over the years that my passion moved away from prints and into originals. That’s the way to go. |
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The price of cheese, by Deleted on May 2, 2018 21:43:33 GMT 1, miss those days, now everybody is asking blue chip prices for sh!tty giclees Not quite everybody. 8Mail’s prints were 20 quid each, and they were silkscreens. Extra tenner for the hand finished ones. 8mail.bigcartel.com/product/risist-upfest-print(Complete and utter biase previously declared! ; )
Well that was rather cunning 
miss those days, now everybody is asking blue chip prices for sh!tty giclees Not quite everybody. 8Mail’s prints were 20 quid each, and they were silkscreens. Extra tenner for the hand finished ones. 8mail.bigcartel.com/product/risist-upfest-print(Complete and utter biase previously declared! ; ) Well that was rather cunning |
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The price of cheese, by Coach on May 2, 2018 21:55:20 GMT 1, Well that was rather cunning
I know, my apologies. To be fair, it’s already sold out, so I wasn’t trying to flog it.
Well that was rather cunning I know, my apologies. To be fair, it’s already sold out, so I wasn’t trying to flog it. |
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nobokov
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The price of cheese, by nobokov on May 3, 2018 0:45:36 GMT 1, Back in the day, before Martin Whatson The Telly Tonight invented graffiti, and before people started calling themselves Galleries simply because they sell posters they have had printed for them by a commercial print factory, there was a very good and fair-for-all rule of thumb that decided the price of a print. It was a simple equation: Divide the cost of the original work of art by the number in the edition. For an example, if the original work sold for £10,000 and the edition size was 100, the price per print would be set at £100. If the edition size was set at 50, each print would retail at £200. It was a very good system. RIP, very good system.
Back in the day, before Martin Whatson The Telly Tonight invented graffiti, and before people started calling themselves Galleries simply because they sell posters they have had printed for them by a commercial print factory, there was a very good and fair-for-all rule of thumb that decided the price of a print. It was a simple equation: Divide the cost of the original work of art by the number in the edition. For an example, if the original work sold for £10,000 and the edition size was 100, the price per print would be set at £100. If the edition size was set at 50, each print would retail at £200. It was a very good system. RIP, very good system. That system didn't seem to take into account flipping nor sufficient profits for the artist. |
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iamzero
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The price of cheese, by iamzero on May 3, 2018 6:46:36 GMT 1, Galleries are clearly pricing most releases with a nod to secondary market pricing.
Galleries are clearly pricing most releases with a nod to secondary market pricing.
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The price of cheese, by amsterdam9697 on May 3, 2018 7:12:58 GMT 1, Back in the day, before Martin Whatson The Telly Tonight invented graffiti, and before people started calling themselves Galleries simply because they sell posters they have had printed for them by a commercial print factory, there was a very good and fair-for-all rule of thumb that decided the price of a print. It was a simple equation: Divide the cost of the original work of art by the number in the edition. For an example, if the original work sold for £10,000 and the edition size was 100, the price per print would be set at £100. If the edition size was set at 50, each print would retail at £200. It was a very good system. RIP, very good system.
Back in the day, before Martin Whatson The Telly Tonight invented graffiti, and before people started calling themselves Galleries simply because they sell posters they have had printed for them by a commercial print factory, there was a very good and fair-for-all rule of thumb that decided the price of a print. It was a simple equation: Divide the cost of the original work of art by the number in the edition. For an example, if the original work sold for £10,000 and the edition size was 100, the price per print would be set at £100. If the edition size was set at 50, each print would retail at £200. It was a very good system. RIP, very good system. Interesting. You take an OG that sells for $250,000, create an edition of 500 and they retail @ $500 per print. Sounds about spot on. |
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The price of cheese, by Matt on May 3, 2018 8:59:29 GMT 1, Prints used to be a nod to the original for punters (like me) who couldn’t fork out for an OG of the artist they liked, so bought the print.
Today Prints are a distinct market,, hence the pricing rules no longer linked to the Artist / OG market and making no sense at all
Prints used to be a nod to the original for punters (like me) who couldn’t fork out for an OG of the artist they liked, so bought the print.
Today Prints are a distinct market,, hence the pricing rules no longer linked to the Artist / OG market and making no sense at all
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The price of cheese, by Leo Boyd on May 17, 2018 9:04:59 GMT 1, And another fücking thing... Pricing larger sized prints much higher than smaller sized prints - It’s just a bit more paper and a bit more ink, absolutely nothing else! Same goes for buyer’s perception of this practice these days, “Of course this print’s £200 more than his/her last print was because it’s bigger”. So fücking what?!
I dunno if this relates to screen printing or any other original printing like etching or lino cuts.
Sizing up does make a massive difference as the prep takes much longer for larger pieces and there are many more things that can go wrong once you scale up.
And another fücking thing... Pricing larger sized prints much higher than smaller sized prints - It’s just a bit more paper and a bit more ink, absolutely nothing else! Same goes for buyer’s perception of this practice these days, “Of course this print’s £200 more than his/her last print was because it’s bigger”. So fücking what?! Hmmm I dunno if this relates to screen printing or any other original printing like etching or lino cuts. Sizing up does make a massive difference as the prep takes much longer for larger pieces and there are many more things that can go wrong once you scale up. |
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Hairbland
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The price of cheese, by Hairbland on May 17, 2018 12:44:23 GMT 1, Galleries are clearly pricing most releases with a nod to secondary market pricing.
As they should - let the money go to the artists and those that (might) support them rather than sniveling conniving souls on eBay.
Galleries are clearly pricing most releases with a nod to secondary market pricing. As they should - let the money go to the artists and those that (might) support them rather than sniveling conniving souls on eBay. |
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iamzero
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The price of cheese, by iamzero on May 17, 2018 13:12:42 GMT 1, The problem with that is if you are a long term collector of a couple of artists and overnight those artists become popular because of whatever’s reason you are immediately priced out of the market.
The problem with that is if you are a long term collector of a couple of artists and overnight those artists become popular because of whatever’s reason you are immediately priced out of the market.
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Hairbland
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The price of cheese, by Hairbland on May 17, 2018 13:23:30 GMT 1, The problem with that is if you are a long term collector of a couple of artists and overnight those artists become popular because of whatever’s reason you are immediately priced out of the market.
Yes, but the trade off would be the value of your early support rising and you knowing you were on the cusp.
It is not a bad thing for an artist you've discovered early on to become more popular.
The problem with that is if you are a long term collector of a couple of artists and overnight those artists become popular because of whatever’s reason you are immediately priced out of the market. Yes, but the trade off would be the value of your early support rising and you knowing you were on the cusp. It is not a bad thing for an artist you've discovered early on to become more popular. |
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The price of cheese, by Coach on May 17, 2018 13:41:13 GMT 1, The problem with that is if you are a long term collector of a couple of artists and overnight those artists become popular because of whatever’s reason you are immediately priced out of the market.
What you say, my friend, is true, but inevitable, I believe.
There are many artists whose work I can no longer afford. I think I have to accept that, as the artist is entitled to charge market rate for their work, whether it be originals or prints. So many very talented artists get nowhere close to making a living out of their art, and when they do, I think that’s a great achievement (even if their work by then sells for more than I can afford).
Some artists choose to sell for below market rates (usually prints), and that’s very generous of them (both to collectors and, unfortunately, flippers). But it has to be their choice, I believe. Those that don’t choose to are beyond my criticism, though.
The problem with that is if you are a long term collector of a couple of artists and overnight those artists become popular because of whatever’s reason you are immediately priced out of the market. What you say, my friend, is true, but inevitable, I believe. There are many artists whose work I can no longer afford. I think I have to accept that, as the artist is entitled to charge market rate for their work, whether it be originals or prints. So many very talented artists get nowhere close to making a living out of their art, and when they do, I think that’s a great achievement (even if their work by then sells for more than I can afford). Some artists choose to sell for below market rates (usually prints), and that’s very generous of them (both to collectors and, unfortunately, flippers). But it has to be their choice, I believe. Those that don’t choose to are beyond my criticism, though. |
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The price of cheese, by iamzero on May 17, 2018 13:53:16 GMT 1, Agreed dude, but... as much as I/ we hate the flipper market they I believe can help an artist into creating a market of popularity. Taking the Shrigley releases as an example all that is creating now is a market where only the rich can buy his art prints. For me this is no more than galleries taking the piss in the way that ticket sellers didn’t like the touts making money so have created their own reselling site where their own bots buy tickets from themselves to resell at higher prices. Such a shame it’s come to this.
Agreed dude, but... as much as I/ we hate the flipper market they I believe can help an artist into creating a market of popularity. Taking the Shrigley releases as an example all that is creating now is a market where only the rich can buy his art prints. For me this is no more than galleries taking the piss in the way that ticket sellers didn’t like the touts making money so have created their own reselling site where their own bots buy tickets from themselves to resell at higher prices. Such a shame it’s come to this.
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