nobokov
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by nobokov on Jun 8, 2018 17:56:01 GMT 1, The thought just occurred to me, how strange this art business is. Do artists detest the people who ultimately consume their work? This may be a stereotype, and correct me if I'm completely off, but when I think of an artist, I envision a creative tortured soul who wants to express themselves and their inner demons, a person generally on the liberal spectrum and also not that well off financially but perfectly content.
While on the other hand, I see the consumers of the art as rich, conservative oil baron tycoons, storing their artworks away in dark warehouses never to see the light of day until the next auction, or young people posting snapshots of their rolexes, decked out in the latest high end fashion items, while their credit cards are maxed out.
There must be a real dichotomy between the creators and the consumers of art and I wonder how oft putting that might be for the artists. They're creating expressive work, baring their soul, to be purchased by someone they would never associate with intimately. For the artists out there on this forum, here's a poll. I wonder how artists feel about this, or even the consumers. Does buying expensive artwork make you feel ethically uneasy at all? I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism. Does anyone identify with this?
The thought just occurred to me, how strange this art business is. Do artists detest the people who ultimately consume their work? This may be a stereotype, and correct me if I'm completely off, but when I think of an artist, I envision a creative tortured soul who wants to express themselves and their inner demons, a person generally on the liberal spectrum and also not that well off financially but perfectly content.
While on the other hand, I see the consumers of the art as rich, conservative oil baron tycoons, storing their artworks away in dark warehouses never to see the light of day until the next auction, or young people posting snapshots of their rolexes, decked out in the latest high end fashion items, while their credit cards are maxed out.
There must be a real dichotomy between the creators and the consumers of art and I wonder how oft putting that might be for the artists. They're creating expressive work, baring their soul, to be purchased by someone they would never associate with intimately. For the artists out there on this forum, here's a poll. I wonder how artists feel about this, or even the consumers. Does buying expensive artwork make you feel ethically uneasy at all? I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism. Does anyone identify with this?
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ca
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by ca on Jun 8, 2018 18:01:07 GMT 1, "I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism."
"I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism."
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Schrödinger's Chat on Jun 8, 2018 18:17:13 GMT 1, "I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism."
I definitely identify with this
Me too. Not that my collection is worth a great deal of money but to spend a few hundred/thousand on a piece of paper does feel rather frivolous.
Just recently I've felt like my possessions own me rather than the other way around, so I'm having a clear out.
"I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism."
I definitely identify with this Me too. Not that my collection is worth a great deal of money but to spend a few hundred/thousand on a piece of paper does feel rather frivolous. Just recently I've felt like my possessions own me rather than the other way around, so I'm having a clear out. |
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Dive Jedi
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Dive Jedi on Jun 8, 2018 18:42:30 GMT 1, The thought just occurred to me, how strange this art business is. Do artists detest the people who ultimately consume their work? This may be a stereotype, and correct me if I'm completely off, but when I think of an artist, I envision a creative tortured soul who wants to express themselves and their inner demons, a person generally on the liberal spectrum and also not that well off financially but perfectly content.
While on the other hand, I see the consumers of the art as rich, conservative oil baron tycoons, storing their artworks away in dark warehouses never to see the light of day until the next auction, or young people posting snapshots of their rolexes, decked out in the latest high end fashion items, while their credit cards are maxed out.
There must be a real dichotomy between the creators and the consumers of art and I wonder how oft putting that might be for the artists. They're creating expressive work, baring their soul, to be purchased by someone they would never associate with intimately. For the artists out there on this forum, here's a poll. I wonder how artists feel about this, or even the consumers. Does buying expensive artwork make you feel ethically uneasy at all? I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism. Does anyone identify with this?
And not all artists are tormented souls or poor. Succesful artist do quite well (do the math on a Sandra or Conor release) or have a dayjob besides their art endavours.
Most artists I know really appreciate the support they get from people buying their art, which enables them to continue making their art.
The thought just occurred to me, how strange this art business is. Do artists detest the people who ultimately consume their work? This may be a stereotype, and correct me if I'm completely off, but when I think of an artist, I envision a creative tortured soul who wants to express themselves and their inner demons, a person generally on the liberal spectrum and also not that well off financially but perfectly content.
While on the other hand, I see the consumers of the art as rich, conservative oil baron tycoons, storing their artworks away in dark warehouses never to see the light of day until the next auction, or young people posting snapshots of their rolexes, decked out in the latest high end fashion items, while their credit cards are maxed out.
There must be a real dichotomy between the creators and the consumers of art and I wonder how oft putting that might be for the artists. They're creating expressive work, baring their soul, to be purchased by someone they would never associate with intimately. For the artists out there on this forum, here's a poll. I wonder how artists feel about this, or even the consumers. Does buying expensive artwork make you feel ethically uneasy at all? I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism. Does anyone identify with this?
Well, these are rather strong stereotypes. Highly unlikely most members here are oil barons….. And not all artists are tormented souls or poor. Succesful artist do quite well (do the math on a Sandra or Conor release) or have a dayjob besides their art endavours. Most artists I know really appreciate the support they get from people buying their art, which enables them to continue making their art. |
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atomic77
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by atomic77 on Jun 8, 2018 18:46:09 GMT 1, I think this is true. Went to a gallery opening this week. The collectors guests were posh, pretentious types, and the artists were dressed comparatively shabby. I spoke to one of the artists and it felt like they tolerated me long enough to be polite (3-5 minutes), then they were done and excused themselves. I felt like they had zero interest in me, maybe because I myself am not an artist, so I have no voice, I'm not interesting or important - but maybe I'm projecting insecurity here.
It must be even worse for some of those posh fellows who aren't even fans of art. Artists must despise them.
I think this is true. Went to a gallery opening this week. The collectors guests were posh, pretentious types, and the artists were dressed comparatively shabby. I spoke to one of the artists and it felt like they tolerated me long enough to be polite (3-5 minutes), then they were done and excused themselves. I felt like they had zero interest in me, maybe because I myself am not an artist, so I have no voice, I'm not interesting or important - but maybe I'm projecting insecurity here.
It must be even worse for some of those posh fellows who aren't even fans of art. Artists must despise them.
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Eric Pause
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Eric Pause on Jun 8, 2018 19:16:57 GMT 1, It's an interesting thought, but I would imagine it is more rare than you think, and would largely depend on what tier of the art world you belong to or participate in. The reality is, there isn't just one art world, but many, and each doesn't necessarily have a lot in common with the others. I certainly can't speak for the wealthy or the "blue-chip" artists, because I am neither. But each, I would imagine, should be taken on a individual basis. There will always be artists who are more interested in making money than they are in making art, and there will always be collectors who collect art purely as an investment, rather than collecting pieces that truly resonate with them. However, it certainly doesn't mean everyone in that category falls under the same net. You can be ridiculously wealthy and still be genuinely moved by art, just like you don't have to be starving to be a brilliant artist.
In my experience, I can honestly say I've never disliked anyone who has purchased my work. Throughout the years I've been really surprised at how positive all of my interactions with collectors has been. The fact that this person is choosing your work over the millions of other choices they have is incredible, and should not be taken for granted. If I had to speculate, I'd say that a large amount of my buyers are significantly more financially sound than I am. And yes, I'm sure there have been cases where we've had very different opinions about politics, or religion, etc. But that doesn't matter. When it comes to art, we see eye to eye.
While I think your ideas of what collectors and artists are can be accurate, I think it's much more often not the case.
It's an interesting thought, but I would imagine it is more rare than you think, and would largely depend on what tier of the art world you belong to or participate in. The reality is, there isn't just one art world, but many, and each doesn't necessarily have a lot in common with the others. I certainly can't speak for the wealthy or the "blue-chip" artists, because I am neither. But each, I would imagine, should be taken on a individual basis. There will always be artists who are more interested in making money than they are in making art, and there will always be collectors who collect art purely as an investment, rather than collecting pieces that truly resonate with them. However, it certainly doesn't mean everyone in that category falls under the same net. You can be ridiculously wealthy and still be genuinely moved by art, just like you don't have to be starving to be a brilliant artist.
In my experience, I can honestly say I've never disliked anyone who has purchased my work. Throughout the years I've been really surprised at how positive all of my interactions with collectors has been. The fact that this person is choosing your work over the millions of other choices they have is incredible, and should not be taken for granted. If I had to speculate, I'd say that a large amount of my buyers are significantly more financially sound than I am. And yes, I'm sure there have been cases where we've had very different opinions about politics, or religion, etc. But that doesn't matter. When it comes to art, we see eye to eye.
While I think your ideas of what collectors and artists are can be accurate, I think it's much more often not the case.
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brycepen
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by brycepen on Jun 8, 2018 22:46:04 GMT 1, The thought just occurred to me, how strange this art business is. Do artists detest the people who ultimately consume their work? This may be a stereotype, and correct me if I'm completely off, but when I think of an artist, I envision a creative tortured soul who wants to express themselves and their inner demons, a person generally on the liberal spectrum and also not that well off financially but perfectly content.
While on the other hand, I see the consumers of the art as rich, conservative oil baron tycoons, storing their artworks away in dark warehouses never to see the light of day until the next auction, or young people posting snapshots of their rolexes, decked out in the latest high end fashion items, while their credit cards are maxed out.
There must be a real dichotomy between the creators and the consumers of art and I wonder how oft putting that might be for the artists. They're creating expressive work, baring their soul, to be purchased by someone they would never associate with intimately. For the artists out there on this forum, here's a poll. I wonder how artists feel about this, or even the consumers. Does buying expensive artwork make you feel ethically uneasy at all? I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism. Does anyone identify with this?
Do you want a truly honest response? Yes, I absolutely hate most people that are interested in buying my art. And yes, the idea of some pretentious stranger buying a very personal painting of mine is honestly quite terrifying. It’s like giving your deepest secrets to a stranger to hang up and put on display. As an adult, I’ve come to terms with it a bit more. In my youth, I was quite the stereotypical tortured artist, haha.
Of course, I have a number of pieces that are just too personal for me to ever sell. They are the kinds that I hope to pass on to my children and siblings’ children. I’m so neurotic about it that I will likely put my most valuable works into a family trust with stringent controls on the divestment of trust assets.
On the other hand, as I’ve gotten older,the desire to spends hundreds of dollars on canvas and paints just to produce art that I don’t even have room to hang seems more and more like a waste. I finally learned to make my art less personal. It’s always a little personal, but I focus more on my individual technique and capturing the beauty of an image through my eyes. With this approach, I am happy to sell to anyone who just appreciates the work for what it is. And I still feel like I’m not a sellout, haha.
The thought just occurred to me, how strange this art business is. Do artists detest the people who ultimately consume their work? This may be a stereotype, and correct me if I'm completely off, but when I think of an artist, I envision a creative tortured soul who wants to express themselves and their inner demons, a person generally on the liberal spectrum and also not that well off financially but perfectly content.
While on the other hand, I see the consumers of the art as rich, conservative oil baron tycoons, storing their artworks away in dark warehouses never to see the light of day until the next auction, or young people posting snapshots of their rolexes, decked out in the latest high end fashion items, while their credit cards are maxed out.
There must be a real dichotomy between the creators and the consumers of art and I wonder how oft putting that might be for the artists. They're creating expressive work, baring their soul, to be purchased by someone they would never associate with intimately. For the artists out there on this forum, here's a poll. I wonder how artists feel about this, or even the consumers. Does buying expensive artwork make you feel ethically uneasy at all? I'm enthralled by art and definitely addicted at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sickened by my own materialism. Does anyone identify with this?
Do you want a truly honest response? Yes, I absolutely hate most people that are interested in buying my art. And yes, the idea of some pretentious stranger buying a very personal painting of mine is honestly quite terrifying. It’s like giving your deepest secrets to a stranger to hang up and put on display. As an adult, I’ve come to terms with it a bit more. In my youth, I was quite the stereotypical tortured artist, haha. Of course, I have a number of pieces that are just too personal for me to ever sell. They are the kinds that I hope to pass on to my children and siblings’ children. I’m so neurotic about it that I will likely put my most valuable works into a family trust with stringent controls on the divestment of trust assets. On the other hand, as I’ve gotten older,the desire to spends hundreds of dollars on canvas and paints just to produce art that I don’t even have room to hang seems more and more like a waste. I finally learned to make my art less personal. It’s always a little personal, but I focus more on my individual technique and capturing the beauty of an image through my eyes. With this approach, I am happy to sell to anyone who just appreciates the work for what it is. And I still feel like I’m not a sellout, haha. |
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kalm
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by kalm on Jun 10, 2018 22:29:22 GMT 1, I bet Banksy does. I can almost guarantee it!
I bet Banksy does. I can almost guarantee it!
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moron
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by moron on Jun 13, 2018 14:45:51 GMT 1, I doubt real artists despise people who buy their art. Some artists call art buyers of expensive art sold at auction morons as in Banksy and his morons print. A statement on why people buy art and the commodity it has become and in some ways a sort of ponzi scheme, re Koons etc.
I do think though that some galleries and gallery owners look down on certain buyers an dpeople who enquire about art. There again some galleries have no substance behind them.
Picasso despised art dealers and flippers and gave away a lot of quick drawings and so did Haring.
I doubt real artists despise people who buy their art. Some artists call art buyers of expensive art sold at auction morons as in Banksy and his morons print. A statement on why people buy art and the commodity it has become and in some ways a sort of ponzi scheme, re Koons etc.
I do think though that some galleries and gallery owners look down on certain buyers an dpeople who enquire about art. There again some galleries have no substance behind them.
Picasso despised art dealers and flippers and gave away a lot of quick drawings and so did Haring.
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Schrödinger's Chat on Jun 13, 2018 20:41:29 GMT 1, Already posted this link in another thread but they talk about Basquiat's response to his paintings becoming popular. According to the doc he struggled with his art becoming a commodity.
Basquiat - Rage to Riches: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b098pd3q via @bbciplayer
Already posted this link in another thread but they talk about Basquiat's response to his paintings becoming popular. According to the doc he struggled with his art becoming a commodity. Basquiat - Rage to Riches: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b098pd3q via @bbciplayer |
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securityman
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by securityman on Jun 13, 2018 20:46:57 GMT 1, Great replys everyone, very interesting comments.
Great replys everyone, very interesting comments.
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Leo Boyd
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 13, 2018 23:21:46 GMT 1, Just in case they are reading this
I love each and every oil baron who buys my work
each and every one of them 
Just in case they are reading this I love each and every oil baron who buys my work each and every one of them |
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kalm
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by kalm on Jun 14, 2018 1:16:44 GMT 1, The legitimate art lover is fantastic and necessary. The flipper is lower than whale dung.
The legitimate art lover is fantastic and necessary. The flipper is lower than whale dung.
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d.r. perseus
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by d.r. perseus on Jun 14, 2018 3:07:59 GMT 1, Could this question be rephrased as "do artists hate to achieve the highest level of success in their craft?"
Some care,
Some don't,
And some strive for it.
Could this question be rephrased as "do artists hate to achieve the highest level of success in their craft?"
Some care,
Some don't,
And some strive for it.
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d.r. perseus
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by d.r. perseus on Jun 14, 2018 3:08:11 GMT 1, Could this question be rephrased as "do artists hate to achieve the highest level of success in their craft?"
Some care,
Some don't,
And some strive for it.
Could this question be rephrased as "do artists hate to achieve the highest level of success in their craft?"
Some care,
Some don't,
And some strive for it.
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Leo Boyd
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 14, 2018 9:42:46 GMT 1, Could this question be rephrased as "do artists hate to achieve the highest level of success in their craft?" Some care, Some don't, And some strive for it.
I think nobokov asked a legitimate question and you have changed that question into another question entirely.
Could this question be rephrased as "do artists hate to achieve the highest level of success in their craft?" Some care, Some don't, And some strive for it. I dont think it could I think nobokov asked a legitimate question and you have changed that question into another question entirely. |
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Do Artists despise their ultimate audience?, by Coach on Jun 14, 2018 10:31:22 GMT 1, I’ve had discussions with many artists over the years, met many, become friends with a few. I have yet to meet one who dislikes their collectors, let alone despises them. Like in all walks of life, some are gregarious whilst others are shy and reserved. Perhaps shyness can sometimes be misinterpreted as dislike?
I’ve had discussions with many artists over the years, met many, become friends with a few. I have yet to meet one who dislikes their collectors, let alone despises them. Like in all walks of life, some are gregarious whilst others are shy and reserved. Perhaps shyness can sometimes be misinterpreted as dislike?
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