Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 19:15:55 GMT 1, It's been troubling me for time, I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper...the art should be gritty and be anarchic and yet it has become a pastiche. It's getting me down....Where are the street urchins, risk takers and yout who got nothing to lose? Art is outlet but where is the anger and disaffected voice of dissent? I'm bored, please help me connect with why I loved the scene!
It's been troubling me for time, I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper...the art should be gritty and be anarchic and yet it has become a pastiche. It's getting me down....Where are the street urchins, risk takers and yout who got nothing to lose? Art is outlet but where is the anger and disaffected voice of dissent? I'm bored, please help me connect with why I loved the scene!
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 19:16:21 GMT 1, I used the word pastiche....t**t!
I used the word pastiche....t**t!
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 19:38:40 GMT 1, This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads
Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls?
No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here.
This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads
Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls?
No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here.
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blerd
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by blerd on Jun 15, 2018 19:47:15 GMT 1, I hear you, but times move on. The print market is very healthy. The diss affected youth of any generation disappears, be it Rockers, Punks, Hippies etc.
I personally listen to Grime artists like Skepta, Chip, Lady Leshur, Cassidead, JME to name a few. Not sure what their drawing is like though Haha. One thing I will say is that the spirit of independence and creativity in their videos is on point.
I hear you, but times move on. The print market is very healthy. The diss affected youth of any generation disappears, be it Rockers, Punks, Hippies etc.
I personally listen to Grime artists like Skepta, Chip, Lady Leshur, Cassidead, JME to name a few. Not sure what their drawing is like though Haha. One thing I will say is that the spirit of independence and creativity in their videos is on point.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by gd79 on Jun 15, 2018 20:18:17 GMT 1, The prices certainly haven't gone soft, that's the biggest issue. A Harland miller print isn't far off an Andy Warhol. An invader on secondary could buy you a Chagall.
Maybe that's right... I'm sure there are ways to justify it. Just like you can justify bitcoin at 20k (a few months back). Doesn't smell right though.
The prices certainly haven't gone soft, that's the biggest issue. A Harland miller print isn't far off an Andy Warhol. An invader on secondary could buy you a Chagall.
Maybe that's right... I'm sure there are ways to justify it. Just like you can justify bitcoin at 20k (a few months back). Doesn't smell right though.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by sircoxson on Jun 15, 2018 20:23:15 GMT 1, This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls? No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here.
checked out oak oak, sebas velasco or axel void?
This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls? No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here. checked out oak oak, sebas velasco or axel void?
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hui
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by hui on Jun 15, 2018 20:29:37 GMT 1, It's been troubling me for time, I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper...the art should be gritty and be anarchic and yet it has become a pastiche. It's getting me down....Where are the street urchins, risk takers and yout who got nothing to lose? Art is outlet but where is the anger and disaffected voice of dissent? I'm bored, please help me connect with why I loved the scene!
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It's all still here. You're just waiting on UAA to tell you who the next big name is.
It's been troubling me for time, I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper...the art should be gritty and be anarchic and yet it has become a pastiche. It's getting me down....Where are the street urchins, risk takers and yout who got nothing to lose? Art is outlet but where is the anger and disaffected voice of dissent? I'm bored, please help me connect with why I loved the scene! =/ It's all still here. You're just waiting on UAA to tell you who the next big name is.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 20:34:25 GMT 1, It's been troubling me for time, I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper...the art should be gritty and be anarchic and yet it has become a pastiche. It's getting me down....Where are the street urchins, risk takers and yout who got nothing to lose? Art is outlet but where is the anger and disaffected voice of dissent? I'm bored, please help me connect with why I loved the scene! =/ It's all still here. You're just waiting on UAA to tell you who the next big name is.
Thanks for your input. You missed my point.Ill put it down to your cynicism. I'm not interested in the next big thing, maybe you are but obviously don't get what I'm talking about.
It's been troubling me for time, I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper...the art should be gritty and be anarchic and yet it has become a pastiche. It's getting me down....Where are the street urchins, risk takers and yout who got nothing to lose? Art is outlet but where is the anger and disaffected voice of dissent? I'm bored, please help me connect with why I loved the scene! =/ It's all still here. You're just waiting on UAA to tell you who the next big name is. Thanks for your input. You missed my point.Ill put it down to your cynicism. I'm not interested in the next big thing, maybe you are but obviously don't get what I'm talking about.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 20:57:58 GMT 1, There comes a point where almost everyone has been done and it's just endless variants of the same crap, like Nick Walker. Or rainbows.
There comes a point where almost everyone has been done and it's just endless variants of the same crap, like Nick Walker. Or rainbows.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 21:08:38 GMT 1, There comes a point where almost everyone has been done and it's just endless variants of the same crap, like Nick Walker. Or rainbows.
You could be right....guess I'm just looking for something exciting, something that isn't like a fucking commercial.
There comes a point where almost everyone has been done and it's just endless variants of the same crap, like Nick Walker. Or rainbows. You could be right....guess I'm just looking for something exciting, something that isn't like a fucking commercial.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 21:10:10 GMT 1, There comes a point where almost everyone has been done and it's just endless variants of the same crap, like Nick Walker. Or rainbows. You could be right....guess I'm just looking for something exciting, something that isn't like a f**kingcommercial. Yeah sad thing is I have Nick Walkers' on my walls. And rainbows
There comes a point where almost everyone has been done and it's just endless variants of the same crap, like Nick Walker. Or rainbows. You could be right....guess I'm just looking for something exciting, something that isn't like a f**kingcommercial. Yeah sad thing is I have Nick Walkers' on my walls. And rainbows
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 21:13:31 GMT 1, You could be right....guess I'm just looking for something exciting, something that isn't like a f**kingcommercial. Yeah sad thing is I have Nick Walkers' on my walls. And rainbows
I have apish angel...maybe I'm just getting too old!
You could be right....guess I'm just looking for something exciting, something that isn't like a f**kingcommercial. Yeah sad thing is I have Nick Walkers' on my walls. And rainbows I have apish angel...maybe I'm just getting too old!
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jun 15, 2018 21:52:50 GMT 1, we are all getting old that’s all, but I agree there’s no edginess to the art anymore and that’s due to too many artists out there now and we are all wired in to social media, everything is too quick. Even Banksy stunts don’t last long in the news these days. Go back 10 years or more and there was a buzz about it all.. My wife said the other day sell that (grafter) Eskimo painting’. I said but ‘it’s a classic, the standout of Banksy 2008 cans festival’.. she said ‘wtf are you talking about, just sell it ’.
we are all getting old that’s all, but I agree there’s no edginess to the art anymore and that’s due to too many artists out there now and we are all wired in to social media, everything is too quick. Even Banksy stunts don’t last long in the news these days. Go back 10 years or more and there was a buzz about it all.. My wife said the other day sell that (grafter) Eskimo painting’. I said but ‘it’s a classic, the standout of Banksy 2008 cans festival’.. she said ‘wtf are you talking about, just sell it ’.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 22:02:37 GMT 1, The prices certainly haven't gone soft, that's the biggest issue. A Harland miller print isn't far off an Andy Warhol. An invader on secondary could buy you a Chagall. Maybe that's right... I'm sure there are ways to justify it. Just like you can justify bitcoin at 20k (a few months back). Doesn't smell right though.
reminds of a rather big bubble we had around 10 years back.
or maybe there is a cross over into 'proper art'?
The prices certainly haven't gone soft, that's the biggest issue. A Harland miller print isn't far off an Andy Warhol. An invader on secondary could buy you a Chagall. Maybe that's right... I'm sure there are ways to justify it. Just like you can justify bitcoin at 20k (a few months back). Doesn't smell right though. reminds of a rather big bubble we had around 10 years back. or maybe there is a cross over into 'proper art'?
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by jimbofatz on Jun 15, 2018 22:18:05 GMT 1, I agree...starts with honesty. Banksy has all but destroyed that. The fantastic art is still out there its just the marketing of street art and cop and flip culture has overshadowed it.
I agree...starts with honesty. Banksy has all but destroyed that. The fantastic art is still out there its just the marketing of street art and cop and flip culture has overshadowed it.
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racket
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by racket on Jun 15, 2018 22:23:53 GMT 1, I think people have gotten older/tastes changed and moved onto contemporary/fine artists like those mentioned..Miller, shrigley, wood, pejac, Hewett, mehdi, kremer etc, not specifically the urban/street genre this forum was
I think people have gotten older/tastes changed and moved onto contemporary/fine artists like those mentioned..Miller, shrigley, wood, pejac, Hewett, mehdi, kremer etc, not specifically the urban/street genre this forum was
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 22:25:36 GMT 1, This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls? No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here. checked out oak oak, sebas velasco or axel void?
Oak Oak’s great but definitely not new went to his show years ago. Will definitely look up the other two though.
This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls? No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here. checked out oak oak, sebas velasco or axel void? Oak Oak’s great but definitely not new went to his show years ago. Will definitely look up the other two though.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by caruso on Jun 15, 2018 22:44:24 GMT 1, This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls? No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here. I disagree, there are plenty of incredible new artists mentioned sometimes on this forum but those threads get buried by the same old lengthy talks about the usual suspects. You just need to keep your eyes (and mind) open.
This forum stopped being an urban art forum years ago. Here are a few artists featured in recent threads Harland Miller - never done a single urban piece Grayson Perry - as above Shrigley - a few things with POW Mic - as above Charming Baker - See Miller Pejac - very few street pieces. Assume the new ones are legal walls? No idea where all the young talented urban artists are these days. But it’s rare they’re featured here. I disagree, there are plenty of incredible new artists mentioned sometimes on this forum but those threads get buried by the same old lengthy talks about the usual suspects. You just need to keep your eyes (and mind) open.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Jaylove on Jun 15, 2018 22:54:31 GMT 1, I agree...starts with honesty. Banksy has all but destroyed that. The fantastic art is still out there its just the marketing of street art and cop and flip culture has overshadowed it.
Reminds me so much like the sneaker market. People were more concerned with value and $ than the actual art. Artists started churning out the same stuff more frequently. When the big boys get involved in anything, it’s over.
I agree...starts with honesty. Banksy has all but destroyed that. The fantastic art is still out there its just the marketing of street art and cop and flip culture has overshadowed it. Reminds me so much like the sneaker market. People were more concerned with value and $ than the actual art. Artists started churning out the same stuff more frequently. When the big boys get involved in anything, it’s over.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 23:02:26 GMT 1, Yeah social media is destroying the intensity maybe but it's like everyone wants to be popular...that shouldn't be a driver. I've always believed adversity creates people who care about something that they struggle against. It's like artists needs approval instead of just sticking two fingers up to it all. I guess I just prefer good old fashioned vandalism type graff.
Yeah social media is destroying the intensity maybe but it's like everyone wants to be popular...that shouldn't be a driver. I've always believed adversity creates people who care about something that they struggle against. It's like artists needs approval instead of just sticking two fingers up to it all. I guess I just prefer good old fashioned vandalism type graff.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by avec art on Jun 15, 2018 23:12:37 GMT 1, What if it were actually the other way around. That the audience need to see approval of a gallery or auction prices before they can deem a work of art or an artist to be at all worthy. Nice thread btw, I think it's a valid discussion.
What if it were actually the other way around. That the audience need to see approval of a gallery or auction prices before they can deem a work of art or an artist to be at all worthy. Nice thread btw, I think it's a valid discussion.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 15, 2018 23:22:50 GMT 1, What if it were actually the other way around. That the audience need to see approval of a gallery or auction prices before they can deem a work of art or an artist to be at all worthy. Nice thread btw, I think it's a valid discussion.
I see your point but anyone worth their salt doesn't need approval of others to be validated or maybe that's just me. I just see something and I like it. Anyway don't want to get existential. Raw and unfiltered that's how I like my art.
What if it were actually the other way around. That the audience need to see approval of a gallery or auction prices before they can deem a work of art or an artist to be at all worthy. Nice thread btw, I think it's a valid discussion. I see your point but anyone worth their salt doesn't need approval of others to be validated or maybe that's just me. I just see something and I like it. Anyway don't want to get existential. Raw and unfiltered that's how I like my art.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Dibbs 45 on Jun 15, 2018 23:23:58 GMT 1, Urban art has become derivative. To much of the same themes and juxtapositions. Must be hard for new artists to find a style that has not been done to death. Pop icons, political themes, smudged portraits, religious figures with machines guns, skulls, corporate logo bashing, glib play on words etc.
Equally some new artists command big money for prints and they have only been around for five minutes, and not built or established a solid fan base. No drip feeding a developing market but saturating the market too soon as well.
The scene has of course changed and art is a commodity like other things, and as such it can become a preserve of people who can afford to indulge in these investable trinkets. I certainly can’t afford the new Pejac, who lets face it is still new on the scene, but has come along over the last fives years with some interesting ideas. He has not been selected into the fine art clique and in the grand scheme of things has a very little loyal following.
Old skool graff writers are still around, but will always be overshadowed by a the new kids on the block who have been snapped by galleries who either can find leverage in an artist or a quick buck.
Urban art has become derivative. To much of the same themes and juxtapositions. Must be hard for new artists to find a style that has not been done to death. Pop icons, political themes, smudged portraits, religious figures with machines guns, skulls, corporate logo bashing, glib play on words etc.
Equally some new artists command big money for prints and they have only been around for five minutes, and not built or established a solid fan base. No drip feeding a developing market but saturating the market too soon as well.
The scene has of course changed and art is a commodity like other things, and as such it can become a preserve of people who can afford to indulge in these investable trinkets. I certainly can’t afford the new Pejac, who lets face it is still new on the scene, but has come along over the last fives years with some interesting ideas. He has not been selected into the fine art clique and in the grand scheme of things has a very little loyal following.
Old skool graff writers are still around, but will always be overshadowed by a the new kids on the block who have been snapped by galleries who either can find leverage in an artist or a quick buck.
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hui
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by hui on Jun 16, 2018 2:06:21 GMT 1, =/ It's all still here. You're just waiting on UAA to tell you who the next big name is. Thanks for your input. You missed my point.Ill put it down to your cynicism. I'm not interested in the next big thing, maybe you are but obviously don't get what I'm talking about. =/
Your existentialist crisis is soft. It seems a number of members are having a mid-life crisis, asking themselves what it all means. "I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper.." well, I mean, is that what currency is - a combination of paper and cloth. Urban art still exists - just today I pass by one of the more needing neighborhoods in my city. Two young adults were painting a small shed with individuals who look like residents in this particular neighborhoods. It seems like they were claiming their neigborhood back. Their images of hope and endurance weren't "gritty and anarchic," but the presence itself and of the artist was subversive.
It just tiring, tedious to keep reading posts on here crying about the decline of urban art or of the substance of urban art or just art in general. And then I continue to a different thread, where the subject is the decline of 'real' music, and so on and so on. I can assure you the youth of my city are anything but docile and satisfied. And your type of posts are what I try to avoid on social media...funny, I feel this questions could've been quickly answered by asking a young person.
=/ It's all still here. You're just waiting on UAA to tell you who the next big name is. Thanks for your input. You missed my point.Ill put it down to your cynicism. I'm not interested in the next big thing, maybe you are but obviously don't get what I'm talking about. =/ Your existentialist crisis is soft. It seems a number of members are having a mid-life crisis, asking themselves what it all means. "I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper.." well, I mean, is that what currency is - a combination of paper and cloth. Urban art still exists - just today I pass by one of the more needing neighborhoods in my city. Two young adults were painting a small shed with individuals who look like residents in this particular neighborhoods. It seems like they were claiming their neigborhood back. Their images of hope and endurance weren't "gritty and anarchic," but the presence itself and of the artist was subversive. It just tiring, tedious to keep reading posts on here crying about the decline of urban art or of the substance of urban art or just art in general. And then I continue to a different thread, where the subject is the decline of 'real' music, and so on and so on. I can assure you the youth of my city are anything but docile and satisfied. And your type of posts are what I try to avoid on social media...funny, I feel this questions could've been quickly answered by asking a young person.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by That Print Guy on Jun 16, 2018 2:07:03 GMT 1, Has anyone looked at jerkface prices lately? Things are not soft at the moment
*It's garbage, not even screened... (imho)
Has anyone looked at jerkface prices lately? Things are not soft at the moment *It's garbage, not even screened... (imho)
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by kalm on Jun 16, 2018 3:04:58 GMT 1, The #1rule is purchase what you like...not what you think will make you money. (#2 is have insurance
The #1rule is purchase what you like...not what you think will make you money. (#2 is have insurance
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 16, 2018 9:01:53 GMT 1, Thanks for your input. You missed my point.Ill put it down to your cynicism. I'm not interested in the next big thing, maybe you are but obviously don't get what I'm talking about. =/ Your existentialist crisis is soft. It seems a number of members are having a mid-life crisis, asking themselves what it all means. "I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper.." well, I mean, is that what currency is - a combination of paper and cloth. Urban art still exists - just today I pass by one of the more needing neighborhoods in my city. Two young adults were painting a small shed with individuals who look like residents in this particular neighborhoods. It seems like they were claiming their neigborhood back. Their images of hope and endurance weren't "gritty and anarchic," but the presence itself and of the artist was subversive. It just tiring, tedious to keep reading posts on here crying about the decline of urban art or of the substance of urban art or just art in general. And then I continue to a different thread, where the subject is the decline of 'real' music, and so on and so on. I can assure you the youth of my city are anything but docile and satisfied. And your type of posts are what I try to avoid on social media...funny, I feel this questions could've been quickly answered by asking a young person.
You've missed the point again! You're imprinting your feelings. I'm not talking of decline. This is a discussion thread so why did you bother commenting if you find it so tedious.
Thanks for your input. You missed my point.Ill put it down to your cynicism. I'm not interested in the next big thing, maybe you are but obviously don't get what I'm talking about. =/ Your existentialist crisis is soft. It seems a number of members are having a mid-life crisis, asking themselves what it all means. "I see all these prints at £500, £1000+ but it's just paper.." well, I mean, is that what currency is - a combination of paper and cloth. Urban art still exists - just today I pass by one of the more needing neighborhoods in my city. Two young adults were painting a small shed with individuals who look like residents in this particular neighborhoods. It seems like they were claiming their neigborhood back. Their images of hope and endurance weren't "gritty and anarchic," but the presence itself and of the artist was subversive. It just tiring, tedious to keep reading posts on here crying about the decline of urban art or of the substance of urban art or just art in general. And then I continue to a different thread, where the subject is the decline of 'real' music, and so on and so on. I can assure you the youth of my city are anything but docile and satisfied. And your type of posts are what I try to avoid on social media...funny, I feel this questions could've been quickly answered by asking a young person. You've missed the point again! You're imprinting your feelings. I'm not talking of decline. This is a discussion thread so why did you bother commenting if you find it so tedious.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Dungle on Jun 16, 2018 9:03:45 GMT 1, Dibbs you make a valid point, but that applies mostly to this place. It’s all about money for 95% of people on here.
What can I buy that I can sell on in the next 2 years for profit.
There is still loads of decent street art out there, but none of it is talked about on here because there either isn’t a print of it or people can’t make money on it which is their primary aim.
Dibbs you make a valid point, but that applies mostly to this place. It’s all about money for 95% of people on here.
What can I buy that I can sell on in the next 2 years for profit.
There is still loads of decent street art out there, but none of it is talked about on here because there either isn’t a print of it or people can’t make money on it which is their primary aim.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Art Fan 2011 on Jun 16, 2018 9:26:04 GMT 1, Its gone mainstream and commercial - attracting more collectors, fans, speculators as a result there is more competition which forces prices upwards, sometimes artificially and to ultimately highly unsustainable level`s.
So many times we see truly rubbish images (on a daily basis) but they get hyped like hell and before you know it people are paying 1000`s for a piece of paper with a bit of ink on it - that`s the crazy world we live in!
Its gone mainstream and commercial - attracting more collectors, fans, speculators as a result there is more competition which forces prices upwards, sometimes artificially and to ultimately highly unsustainable level`s.
So many times we see truly rubbish images (on a daily basis) but they get hyped like hell and before you know it people are paying 1000`s for a piece of paper with a bit of ink on it - that`s the crazy world we live in!
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Hairbland on Jun 16, 2018 12:35:27 GMT 1, Dibbs you make a valid point, but that applies mostly to this place. It’s all about money for 95% of people on here. What can I buy that I can sell on in the next 2 years for profit. There is still loads of decent street art out there, but none of it is talked about on here because there either isn’t a print of it or people can’t make money on it which is their primary aim. You make some valid points. However, I believe while many on here might have been aware of the hip new artists 10-15 years ago, many are older and settled in on artists that maybe their early support helped. Much like music, as people get older many are no longer on the cutting edge of the new and undiscovered.
But yet are hungry for the new, and so have also supported many upcoming artists while forgetting what it was that moved them about graffiti and street art in the first place. So we see the hype over Chevrier and Whatson, both gallery creations imho, and artists like Borondo, Bisser and others who are talented but are as far from the street as possible.
We should also note that URBAN ART, by definition is NOT graffiti or street art, but is largely the next step, influenced by graffiti and street art. Within this definition again imho someone like Harland Miller fits.
Dibbs you make a valid point, but that applies mostly to this place. It’s all about money for 95% of people on here. What can I buy that I can sell on in the next 2 years for profit. There is still loads of decent street art out there, but none of it is talked about on here because there either isn’t a print of it or people can’t make money on it which is their primary aim. You make some valid points. However, I believe while many on here might have been aware of the hip new artists 10-15 years ago, many are older and settled in on artists that maybe their early support helped. Much like music, as people get older many are no longer on the cutting edge of the new and undiscovered. But yet are hungry for the new, and so have also supported many upcoming artists while forgetting what it was that moved them about graffiti and street art in the first place. So we see the hype over Chevrier and Whatson, both gallery creations imho, and artists like Borondo, Bisser and others who are talented but are as far from the street as possible. We should also note that URBAN ART, by definition is NOT graffiti or street art, but is largely the next step, influenced by graffiti and street art. Within this definition again imho someone like Harland Miller fits.
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